Capt. James SCOTT (son of Rev. James SCOTT and Sarah BROWN), of "Clermont," Fauquier County, Virginia, b. Jan. 8, 1742 [Stafford Co., Va., Overwharton Parish Register shows he was baptised 10 Jan. 1742]; d. 1779; m. ca. 1760, Elizabeth HARRISON (1740-1823) daughter of Cuthbert and Frances HARRISON. Capt. SCOTT's will, probated in Fauquier Co., Nov. 22, 1779, names wife Elizabeth, to whom he gives life interest in his estate; daughters Sarah, Frances, Elizabeth, Nancy, and sons Alexander, James, Cuthbert and Thomas; these 8 to share alike in his estate after wife's death or marriage, except his Ohio lands which he gives to his four sons; names wife, son Cuthbert, and Cuthbert HARRISON, executors, who were "to have my sons well educated out of the profits of my estate, and that they shall be got into such business as they shall think will best suit their genius;" His father to have son James, if desired. Children: +21. i. Alexander, b. 1762(?); d. 1819. 22. ii. Frances Harrison, b. 1764-5; d. 1837; m. Gustavus Brown HORNER. 23. iii. Sarah; named in Rev. Jno. [sic] Scott's will. 24. iv. Ann [=Nancy]; m. 1800, William BROWN. +25. v. Elizabeth, b. 1771, d. 1858, m. 1788, Major Lawrence ASHTON. 26. vi. Cuthbert Harrison, d. age 90; m. ---- WAUGH; 5 ch (named). 27. vii. James, d.s. [died without issue]. 28. viii. Thomas, d.s. [died without issue]. The children with the + sign are traced further. The above is summarized from pp. 600-601 of Hayden's Virginia Genealogies. Capt. James SCOTT had no son named John. I also checked Abstracts of Fauquier County, Virginia, Wills, Inventories and Accounts, 1759-1800, by John K. Gott. It shows the will mentioned above as located in Will Book 1, p. 385-386: James SCOTT, Jun'r, of the Parish of Leeds, will dated 2 Jan. 1779, proved 22 Nov. 1779. Names the wife and children (as shown above). The will is very clear as to the total number of children and who they are. Your ancestor, John SCOTT (b. ca. 1774) is not among them. He cannot be of this line. Sorry. There are several dozen families named SCOTT living in Virginia in the period 1782-87. In order to determine John's correct lineage you will need more clues from Ohio or wherever your John lived. Some pertinent questions: * When and where did your John SCOTT first appear in public records? * Did he buy land in Ohio at the time of his arrival? (The deed or land grant may give his previous residence.) * What were his children's names? Where and when were they born? * Who were his associates in legal documents? I have checked Ancestral File and found a listing for your family, with John SCOTT claimed there as a son of James and Elizabeth (HARRISON) SCOTT. It gives additional information about John's family group which I assume you have. The information can be found in the Internet at http://www.familysearch.com. Our CD-ROM version includes the name and address of the submitter: James Edward Brown, who lived in Rexburg, Idaho, about 1982; and whose address in 1992 was at 1181 East 1200 North, Shelley, ID 83274. It shows that John and Precious SCOTT were married about 1804, possibly in Greenbrier Co., (W.)Va. Their children were James 1805, Richard 1807, Catherine 1811, Fanny 1814, Mary 1816, Henry ca. 1818, Alexander 1821, John Abijah 1827, Robert 1829, Benjamin 1829. According to the birthplaces recorded there the family lived in Greenbrier County 1805-07, and in Monroe County (and elsewhere in Ohio) from 1811. Marriage records of Greenbrier County, going back to the 1780s, have been checked without finding the marriage of John and Precious. In fact, a statewide index to marriages in Virginia and West Virginia prior to 1850, does not contain such a marriage (CD #229). The index does not, of course, include marriages from 20 or so "burned-record" counties. The 1810 census of Greenbrier County is among missing census records. A personal property tax list has been published as a substitute. [A Supplement to the 1810 Census of Virginia: Tax Lists of the Counties for which the Census is Missing, by Netti Schreiner-Yantis (Springfield, Va.: author, 1971)] Persons named SCOTT living in Greenbrier County in 1810 include: James, Thomas, John ... Moses, and ... another John. [Ibid., p. E4] Surely one of the John SCOTTs is yours. I have used the elipses (...) to separate groups of names that appeared together in the list, which is semi-alphabetic. They all lived in the region of the county in which David Hanna was tax assessor. The first three names (James, Thomas, and John) may represent a cluster of family groups, perhaps three brothers or a father and two adult sons and their families. James has 2 white male tithables (over age 16) in his household, indicating that besides himself there is a male over 16 in the household, probably unmarried. (If he were married and had his own household, the second male would likely be taxed in his own name.) The other Scott men had only one tithable each (themselves). James owned 2 horses, Thomas 2, John none, Moses 5, and the second John 1. None of these families owned slaves. Women, and children under 16, were not enumerated in the tax list. Since James is the name of your John's eldest son it is a probable trace name, perhaps named for the child's grandfather. That gives some weight to identifying your John with the first one of the list. (You seem to have a tradition that his father was named James.) John's second child, Richard, is not a SCOTT name in this region and might be a clue to the family of Precious. I checked the 1800 personal property tax list for Greenbrier County and found only one SCOTT living there: SCOTT, James, 3 white male tithables, 2 horses. [Virginia Genealogist, v. 26, p. 23, district of James Hanna] So, including himself, he has 3 white males over age 16 (born before 1784). One of them could be John. In 1787, James SCOTT is also shown in Greenbrier County's tax list. He himself was over 21. There was no other male in his household over age 16. He had 5 horses, 9 cattle, no slaves. He is the only man named SCOTT living there. [The 1787 Census of Virginia, by Netti Schreiner-Yantis and Flerene Speakman Love, v. 1, p. 158, district of John Hutchison] James SCOTT obtained the following land grants in Greenbrier County: [Sims Index to Land Grants in West Virginia (State of W.Va., 1952), p. 156]] 350 acres adjacent to S. Hariman, 1785 [cited as Book 1, p. 90] 95 acres adj. Wm. Craig, 1796 [Book 4, p. 125] If James is the father of your John SCOTT, tracing the disposition of this land may prove the relationship. Tracing this James in the Greenbrier records is important. Your John had gone to Ohio before 1820, but the ones who stayed behind are worth pursuing. 1820 Census of Greenbrier Co., Va. (from the microfilm): p. 83, line 16: SCOTT, James 022202-20011-0401 p. 83, line 23: SCOTT, Thomas 000021-00221-0200 p. 83A, line 16: SCOTT, Moses 300110-00110-0100 p. 83A, line 19: SCOTT, Robert 110010-40010-0200 p. 83A, line 30: SCOTT, John 000010-10100-0100 Here are what the numbers mean, left to right, head counts in the following categories: (1) White Males: age 0-10, 10-16, 16-18, 16-26 [sic, overlaps], 26-45, 45+ (2) White Females: age 0-10, 10-16, 16-26, 26-45, 45+ (3) Foreigners not naturalized; persons engaged in agriculture, commerce, manufacture. Columns to the right would count persons of other colors. I don't think these household had any others. I also checked the 1830 census of Greenbrier County, from the microfilm. p. 201, line 1: SCOTT, John, 1m0-5, 1m20-30, 1f0-5, 1f20-30. p. 201, line 2: SCOTT, James, 3m20-30, 1m50-60, 1f15-20, 1f50-60. p. 202, line 11: SCOTT, Anderson, 2m0-5, 1m20-30, 1f0-5, 1f5-10, 1f20-30. p. 202, line 15: SCOTT, Thomas, 1m20-30, 2m30-40, 1m40-50, 1m80-90, 1f30-40, 1f40-50, 1f80-90. p. 203, line 3: SCOTT, Moses, 1m0-5, 1m5-10, 2m15-20, 1m40-50, 2f0-5, 1f5-10, 1f20-30, 1f30-40. p. 203, line 6: SCOTT, Robert, 1m0-5, 1m5-10, 1m10-15, 1m20-30, 1m50-60, 1f5-10, 2f10-15, 2f15-20, 1f40-50. What can we determine about these men at this time? James SCOTT, b. before 1764 (probably 1740/50). Aged over 21 for 1785 land grant. No males over 16 are living with him in 1787 (so all sons are probably born after 1771). Two other male tithables living with him in 1800 (so possibly two sons b. 1771/84). In 1810, he has one other male tithable with him (possibly a son b. 1789/94). In 1820 he is over 45 and has one other male that age living with him (b. before 1775). It is likely that James is the father of Thomas and John. If so he is probably born ca. 1740/50. The James SCOTT listed on the 1830 census (age 50-60) is too young to be he. Signifcantly, however, there is a man and woman in the household of Thomas SCOTT in 1830 who are 80-90 years of age, putting their births in the decade 1740/50. It would be logical for James and his wife, in their 80s, to have have moved in with their eldest son. There are probably deeds or other documents in Greenbrier County that would prove it. Thomas SCOTT, b. probably 1771/75. Probably under 16 in 1787. Over 45 in 1820. Probably the second tithable with James in 1800. Since he was listed just after James in 1810 he is probably elder son, thus b. ca. 1771/3). Head of his own household in 1810, 1820, and 1830. Marriage record not found. Judging from the 1820 and 1830 census he perhaps had a wife b. ca. 1775, 2 sons b. 1790/1800 (perhaps before 1794), 2 daughters b. before 1794, 2 daughters b. 1794/1804, 1 son b. 1800/10. Some of the children might be stepchildren or non-relatives. His age in the 1830 census is probably in error (too young by other data). John SCOTT, b. probably 1771/84. Probably under 16 in 1787. Probably the third tithable in 1800 (over 16). Head of his own household in 1810. Am assuming he is not the John SCOTT shown in Greenbrier in 1820 (who is geographically separate, and whose household does not match your man's). Conclude this is probably your John SCOTT, b. 1774. Married ca. 1804, Precious ----. Children: James 1805, Richard 1807, born in Greenbrier County. Children after 1811 born in Ohio. Moses SCOTT, b. 1780/89 (ca. 1785?). Not a head of household in 1800. Head of a household in 1810 (probably over 21), age 26-45 in 1820, 40-50 in 1830. Moses SCOTT married Polly SCOTT, Dec. 11, 1808, by Jno. Pinnell, Greenbrier County [Marriage register, see Journal of Greenbrier Historical Society, 1979, p. 68] In 1820 his household included one male 18-26 [b. 1794/1802], as well as 3 boys under 10 [b. 1810/20]. The two women (16-26 and 26-45) may be spouses of the two adult males. No connection has been found with the family of James. The fact that he married a woman named SCOTT indicates there are at least two branches of the family in Greenbrier County. They are certainly no closer kin than first cousin. Suggest that if Moses is not a son of James, then perhaps Polly (=Mary) is a daughter of James. Estimate she was born ca. 1788/90, based on date of marriage. John SCOTT (the other one), b. 1775/89 (ca. 1788?). Not a head of house hold in 1800. Head of houshold in 1810 (probably over 21). Age 26-45 in 1820. Probably the same as John SCOTT who was married to Ruth WITHROW, Nov. 29, 1819, by Jos. Osborne, in Greenbrier County [J. of Greenbrier Hist. Soc., 1979, p. 69]. Household in 1820 includes female 16-26 [b. 1794/1804, probably Ruth], and a girl under 10 [probably an infant daughter]. Possibly a brother of Moses. Unless his age is grossly underestimated in 1830, the man of that name cannot be him. Robert SCOTT, b. 1775/80. Age 26-45 in 1820, 50-60 in 1830. Not found as head of household in 1800 or 1810. Robert SCOTT m. Miriam KOBLE, Feb. 25, 1807, by Jos. Osborne, Greenbrier County [J. of Greenbrier Hist. Soc., 1979, p. 68]. Household in 1820 includes a female 26-45 (probably Miriam), 1 male 10-16 [ca. 1809], 1 male and 4 females under 10 [b. 1810/20]. Compare that with the data above for 1830. Perhaps is the second male over 16 in James' household in 1810, although he lives closer to Moses in 1820 and 1830. Personal property tax lists should exist for Greenbrier County annually since 1782. They will be at the Library of Virginia, in Richmond, and may be available to you on microfilm through interlibrary loan to your local public library. Checking those lists between census years should provide additional clues to relationships. Occasionally the tax lists will specify exact relationships. Checking later censuses for these people (1840, etc.) will give you additional details about their lives. If it appears likely (and it does) that James was the father of your John SCOTT, you will need to seek a probate record for James to identify his heirs/children. The census and tax lists will help you estimate his date of death. The published probate records of Greenbrier County, 1778-1850, name only an Alexander SCOTT whose will was probated in 1849, and a John SCOTT whose estate was appraised in 1849. [West Virginia Estate Settlements: an Index to Wills, Inventories, Appraisements, Land Grants, and Surveys to 1850, by Ross B. Johnston (Genealogical Pub. Co., 1977; originally published serially 1955-63), p. 112-113] If James SCOTT died in Greenbrier, likely between 1830 and 1840, there is no formal court proceeding. If he owned land at the time of his death, there would at least be a record of how his heirs disposed of it. It is possible that James left Greenbrier County before his death, along with his presumed son Thomas. Thomas is gone from that county in the 1840 census. Could he have gone to Ohio? Good luck in your search. Sincerely, Donald L. Wilson, Virginiana Librarian Ruth E. Lloyd Information Center for Genealogy and Local History (RELIC) Bull Run Regional Library, 8051 Ashton Avenue Manassas, VA 20109-2892 (703) 792-4540 -----Original Message----- From: Uk337@aol.com [mailto:Uk337@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 7:02 PM To: VAPWILLI-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VAPWILLI-L] Browns and Scotts I have been stuck on John Scott, born about 1774 in Va. and died before 1850 in Monroe County, Ohio. I have now been told he was the son of James Scott and Elizabeth Harrison. James was the son of Rev. James Scott and Sarah Brown. If this is true I would like all the information that I can on this family. But I haven't been able to completely prove to myself that John was the son of James and Elizabeth. I was hoping that someone would have this family and be able to prove it. All I can prove is John Scott's birth and marriage to Precious ? from TN. Their son Henry was my great grandfather. The Monroe County, Ohio courthouse burned and I have been able to find no information on John. I would appreciate any help I can get. Thanks, Lynn ==== VAPWILLI Mailing List ==== Visit the Prince William County, USGenWeb Home Page! http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapwilli/pw.htm Check out the Prince William Archives and add your records! http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/va/princewi.htm