Shelley - you might also look in the Rootsweb cemetary project. They have lots of cemetaries from the Quantico area - either still there or moved. They might have information if the cemetary was located with a church or family who lived at Possum Point. Bev in Sunny Colorado

Hello everyone; I am looking for info on the following couple. Would love to connect them to other family members. Other members of the Canterberry and Simms families are found in the Prince William, Rockingham, Greenbrier, Franklin, Fairfax, Amherst, and Giles County areas during this time and later. I look forward to hearing from you. 1 Joseph Canterbury b: Bef 1740 in Amherst County Virginia(?) d: Abt. September 1777 (possibly) Brandywine, PA +Ruth Simms b: Abt. 1730 m: Bef. 1748 d. after 1800 possibly Giles County (A Ruth Canterberry on 1815 Giles County tax list)

From This was Prince William by R Jackson Ratcliffe 1978 "The second Courthouse was located in the present Marine Corps Reservation about one-half mile west of the Government concrete road leading from Route 646 (Independent Hill to Aden) to Sowego. It is marked by a monument made from the foundation stones of the original foundation and is standing on a plot of land 10 feet square that was not deeded to the Marine Corps" There is nothing there except this small monument. I am also descended from Philemon. Which son are you descended from? ----- Original Message ----- From: <sennis@erols.com> To: <VAPWILLI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [VAPWILLI-L] Help! > I am descended from Margaret Waters b 28 May 1791 daughter of Robert Waters > and Ann . Robert died about 1804. I think Robert was the son of John Waters > Margaret Waters married 1st 24 Dec 1807 Jacob Merchant, married 2nd 3 Jan > 1822 George W Dulany. Do you have any records of John, Bailey and Landy > Waters? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <B2ill1jean@aol.com> > To: <VAPWILLI-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 9:15 PM > Subject: Re: [VAPWILLI-L] Help! > > > > My Waters family settled on Cedar Creek and Philemon's Run in 1710. Is > this > > where Quantico base is located?? Does anyone know whether the old Waters > > Family Cemetery has been identified ??? The second courthouse of Prince > > William County was built in 1742 on land that Philemon Waters gave. > > > > Thanks, > > Jean > > > > > > ==== VAPWILLI Mailing List ==== > > Over 6,100 Discussion Lists and More Added Daily!!! > > USGenWeb and The USGenWeb Archives! > > Special thanks to go to RootsWeb, your generous donations to > > RootsWeb makes this all possible. Find out more! > > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > > > > > ==== VAPWILLI Mailing List ==== > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

I am descended from Margaret Waters b 28 May 1791 daughter of Robert Waters and Ann . Robert died about 1804. I think Robert was the son of John Waters Margaret Waters married 1st 24 Dec 1807 Jacob Merchant, married 2nd 3 Jan 1822 George W Dulany. Do you have any records of John, Bailey and Landy Waters? ----- Original Message ----- From: <B2ill1jean@aol.com> To: <VAPWILLI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [VAPWILLI-L] Help! > My Waters family settled on Cedar Creek and Philemon's Run in 1710. Is this > where Quantico base is located?? Does anyone know whether the old Waters > Family Cemetery has been identified ??? The second courthouse of Prince > William County was built in 1742 on land that Philemon Waters gave. > > Thanks, > Jean > > > ==== VAPWILLI Mailing List ==== > Over 6,100 Discussion Lists and More Added Daily!!! > USGenWeb and The USGenWeb Archives! > Special thanks to go to RootsWeb, your generous donations to > RootsWeb makes this all possible. Find out more! > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 >

Re: problems with Family Tree Maker's CD #313, Census Index: U.S. Selected Counties, 1810: This and other census index CDs in that series were taken directly from Accelerated Indexing Systems' (AIS) databases prepared in the 1970s and 1980s, originally published in book form state-by-state, then on microfiche, now on CD-ROM. Although the indexes have been very helpful, they have flaws in them: Missing data, garbled and incorrect data. I am quite familiar with the "Prince George County" problem for 1810. It appears that the original indexers mis-keyed "Prince William" as "Prince George." The only way you can tell what county it is supposed to be is the page range. On the microfilm of the census, and in the original record book, Prince William County immediately follows Prince George County. Prince George is on pages 262-274. Prince William is on pages 275-295. The AIS keyers simply neglected to note the change of county. But if you find an entry on the CD or printed index as showing "Prince George" and a page within the range 275-295 you can be confident that person really lived in Prince William. Bentley's index is certainly more accurate. Comparing it with AIS' data shows a number of differences in readings as well. Her page numbers are completely different. Whereas AIS used a handwritten number in the upper right corner of each folio (double page), Bentley's index refers to a handwritten number on the side of each page. For example, Bentley's index shows Prince George County between pages 529 and 550. It shows Prince William between 528 and 496 (with the pages numbered in reverse order). One bonus of AIS's index for Virginia in 1810: It includes the head counts by age appearing in each household, a complete transcript of the actual census. It may not be 100 percent accurate, but it is a good starting point for comparing prospective ancestors. On CD #313 the family statistics appear if you click on the "i" button to Show additional information about .... AIS has also included those statistics in the indexes of many, if not all, surviving federal schedules for 1790 and 1800. As always, when using those indexes, if accuracy is important to you, you must confirm the reading by going to the original census image yourself. The 1810 census was the first U.S. census to substantially survive for Virginia. (However, it did not survive for all counties. 18 counties are missing. Netti Schreiner-Yantis has published A Supplement to 1810 Census of Virginia: tax lists of the counties for which the census is missing. Published by the author, 1971. Those counties are omitted from CD #313.) Copies of returns for only two counties are known to survive for the 1800 Virginia Census: Louisa and Accomack. (For Louisa see Louisa County Historical Magazine, v. 4 (1972), p. 21-49. For Accomack see Virginia Genealogist, v. 1-2 (1957-1958).) Accomack is included on CD #312, but Louisa is omitted. Hope this information helps you understand these records better. Donald L. Wilson, Virginiana Librarian Ruth E. Lloyd Information Center for Genealogy and Local History (RELIC) Prince William Public Library System Bull Run Regional Library, 8051 Ashton Avenue Manassas, VA 20109-2892 (703) 792-4540 www.pwcgov.org/library/services/relic -----Original Message----- From: Greg & Debbie Raque [mailto:raque@bellsouth.net] Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 2:36 PM To: VAPWILLI-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [VAPWILLI-L] Pr. William Co. Census Gloria, I had the exact same thing happen with my William Munday. They had him listed in Prince George Co., Virginia for the 1810 census index. Well I was going to discount him as my ancestors father because of being in the wrong county. When I found out that they were from Prince William Co., I went to the actual census and found not only William but his son James and another Munday. None of these were listed in the census index. Imagine my surprise, just another example of checking the actual records rather than the abstracts and indexes. Just thought I would share this. Debbie Raque in Ky. > When searching for my Beckham/Beckam ancestors I found my 3Ggrandfather in > Pr. George Co. He was listed on the AIS census index for 1810, used by many > on-line as well as CD offerings. > > Imagine my utter surprise when, going to the microfilms, I found that he was > in Pr. William Co. in 1810! There he is, on the actual census!!! I can tell > you that the 1810 Index compiled by Elizabeth Petty Bentley, pub. by the GPC > in 1980, is correct. I don't know if this error was for one page or more. > Just be careful when using any on-line or printed sources... > > Gloria in MD ==== VAPWILLI Mailing List ==== Visit the Prince William County, USGenWeb Home Page! http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapwilli/pw.htm Check out the Prince William Archives and add your records! http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/va/princewi.htm

Debbie: I am _so_ happy that you shared your experience! I, too, went for years looking through Prince George Co. for my folks!! Hope we have spared others a lot of empty work.... Gloria in MD

Gloria, I had the exact same thing happen with my William Munday. They had him listed in Prince George Co., Virginia for the 1810 census index. Well I was going to discount him as my ancestors father because of being in the wrong county. When I found out that they were from Prince William Co., I went to the actual census and found not only William but his son James and another Munday. None of these were listed in the census index. Imagine my surprise, just another example of checking the actual records rather than the abstracts and indexes. Just thought I would share this. Debbie Raque in Ky. > When searching for my Beckham/Beckam ancestors I found my 3Ggrandfather in > Pr. George Co. He was listed on the AIS census index for 1810, used by many > on-line as well as CD offerings. > > Imagine my utter surprise when, going to the microfilms, I found that he was > in Pr. William Co. in 1810! There he is, on the actual census!!! I can tell > you that the 1810 Index compiled by Elizabeth Petty Bentley, pub. by the GPC > in 1980, is correct. I don't know if this error was for one page or more. > Just be careful when using any on-line or printed sources... > > Gloria in MD

Thank you for your reply - and the clue you have given me! One of Malvina & Randolphs' children was named Ruben...... Again, thanks. Karen

To All: Sorry, I did not intend to send the message to Karen to the list! I now see that this list is not set up in the way most lists are set up. This is very confusing because when I click on "Reply to Sender" I expect it to go the person who sent the message to the list.. Sorry.... G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, Virginia

Karen, Thanks for the message! I have concentrated my research only on Harrell, Harrolds etc. before 1800 and therefore, cannot offer any help on your Malvina Harrell.. However, I have seen "Malvina" in some kind of record in Wythe or Montgomery co. Va.. Have you made any connections to William, John, Reuben, Jacob or James Harrell in that area? Most of their descendents moved west to TN., Ky and Indiana but a few still remain in that area... Some of the older ones came from Augusta-Frederick counties of Northern, Va.. Thanks Again, Keep in touch! G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, Virginia

I gave some bad information about backing up email address book entries. Forget WAB.EXE. The correct way to back it up is to Click "FILE" scroll down to "Export" click "Address Book" then click "Text File(Comma Separated Values)" when the next window opens choose "Browse" use the "Save In" box by clicking the triangle and choosing an appropriate media. The rest of the directions are self explanatory. Please forgive me for the confusion. It had been a long day and I was tired. ****************************** William C. Lathan, Jr Triangle, VA, U.S.A. wclathan@home.com http://WilliamLathan.tripod.com

Lee: Although I don't have any of your family names in Northern VA, I have a Randolph Shinault (b 1824Surry Co, NC moved to SW VA) who maried a Malvina Harrell. They lived in Wythe and Pulaski Co, VA. Does she ring a bell? Karen Starkey

Jean: Does your Waters family include a Sabina Waters (b 1796, poss VA) who married an Isaac Starkey in 1814 in Loudoun Co., VA? She is my "brick wall". Thanks. Karen

Hello, Just wanted to add a thought on this subject. I have an instance where my ancestor MOVED between the times that the two census' were taken and therefore he is on both of them. On county was done in May, the other in August....so, be sure to check the microfilm of both counties as actually, they may have been in both. Sometimes this can be a great clue to a move... Anne W. B. Musser

When searching for my Beckham/Beckam ancestors I found my 3Ggrandfather in Pr. George Co. He was listed on the AIS census index for 1810, used by many on-line as well as CD offerings. Imagine my utter surprise when, going to the microfilms, I found that he was in Pr. William Co. in 1810! There he is, on the actual census!!! I can tell you that the 1810 Index compiled by Elizabeth Petty Bentley, pub. by the GPC in 1980, is correct. I don't know if this error was for one page or more. Just be careful when using any on-line or printed sources... Gloria in MD

You really need to use the on-line facilities of the Library of Virginia. Nearly everything available on VA is found there and musc can be borrowed through inter-library loan through your local public library. When you go there on line be sure to investigate their digital data-bases that are also available. JBW

Shelley Yes, they do. Very easy to use. Charlie

On Ancestry.com, do their census indices give information such as county, township (if given), roll and page number etc., which enables one to easily find the original entry on the census reel? Shelley

A couple of days ago someone posted a query about a cemetery that might have been on Quantico U.S. Marine Base. This is an explanation of cemeteries and graves still on Quantico and those that were moved. If the grave might have been in Prince William Forest National Park they have a listing in their office. Search for the park with your search engine or go to the PWC site, I believe it has a link to the park. ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/princewilliam/cemeteries/quantico.txt ****************************** William C. Lathan, Jr Triangle, VA, U.S.A. wclathan@home.com http://WilliamLathan.tripod.com

Actually they have all kinds of things (including old maps) but mostly transcribed. On the Home Page there is "Search By Record" link that can allow you to see what kinds of things they have. You can explore a bit by checking out what they have for free first (and sign up for their free e-mail newsletter). Byron p.s. During heavy usage be prepared for it to be a bit sluggish -- I mention this negative lest you think I am a salesman for or own stock in the company! Hundertmark wrote: > > Hmmmm... Now I'm thinking about Ancestry.com's "Preferred Plan" at $59.95 > for a year. This would be, as was pointed out, $5.00 per month as opposed > to $10.00 per month for the "Quarterly Plan". > > Mr./Ms. Marshall, is Ancestry.com's online information mostly indices or > actual records -- or both? (I know that you said they are printed records, > rather than photocopies of originals, but that would be okay too as long as > they were transcribed accurately.) Have you explored their Virginia > holdings at all? Do they have church records and cemetery records? > > Thanks. > > Shelley > --------------------------- > www.ancestry.com> is definitely a "for profit" operation and everyone's > budget is unique but personally I have certainly gotten my $5 per month > investment back many fold. Most of my searching has been in Kentucky records > (for which they have good maps and data on land grants, census > indices,marriages). Of course, as with printed compiled records (which most > of their stuff is from), someday I will need to "prove" crucial data by > finding the underlying records, which will be easier to find because of > Ancestry. If you don't want to pay, you can still get the daily/weekly > newsletter with the announcements of free access (for a limited time) to > selected materials. > ----------------------------- > Charlie, > Thanks for the info. My problem is I don't know enough yet to be able to > cite a particular census entry. I'm still at the point in my research where > I need to find out what people named Thomas were living in Prince William > County in the early 1800s. > > I checked out the Ancestry.com site but, unfortunately you have to have a > membership in order to access their databases. :-( Their membership seems > a tad expensive but I might consider their 3-month plan for $19.95. I'd > just have to try and squeeze all my online research into a 3-month period. > :-) > > Does anyone have any comments about their membership with Ancestry.com? Is > it worth the investment? > > Shelley > > ==== VAPWILLI Mailing List ==== > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl