This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lostancestors2 Surnames: Knick/Bray Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.pittsylvania/3311.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Mary Lou, Sorry my reply to you was accidentally sent twice. The first time I tried to post it the system advised there was an error while posting, so I tried again. It was so long, sorry about that. Actually the one you found with Hazel is the correct one. How does one search for births for male children in public records if you have nothing specific? Aren't birth records more difficult to get or have more stringent reqirements to get? Can I actually go to the records office and ask for just male Knick children in certain time frames over multiple years? I know that her daughters were born between 1950 and 1955 and we believe she was actually sterlized immediately after her youngest daughter was born in '55 because her children were all out of wedlock and she was found to have "deficiancies". Two of her daughters were in foster care just about their whole childhood, the third and youngest daughter was adopted shortly after birth in 1955. The youngest daughter is my contact in the area. I have read whatever paperwork she has gotten from the state without a court order ( thus nonidentifying)and nothing indicates any other children that the state was aware of when they took custody of the girls, supposedly shortly after this accident. It appears the male child must have been placed somewhere prior to 1955. Her daughter said there was a newspaper clipping of the accident and they believe it was Dec 1951, but the clipping disappeared and the paper says they can't find anything about it in that area of time. They said there were several men in the car and Hazel was seriously injured and one man was thrown up against her and he died. In trying to search the daughter's memories from twenty years ago one man may have had the surname Bray, but that's all I have. Just about every original adult involved in this case is gone now. We are working from scratch. Hazel left this world in 2000. We are possibly related paternally and I have family in that area but I grew up away from the area. Her daughters did not find my branch of the family until 2006 though I had been searching for them since the late 80's again thanks to the article in the Danville Register-Bee. It was actually thanks to a military museum that they found my father before we could find them and through him me. One of Hazel's sisters-in-law was my father's aunt. I am the budding family genealogist. Due to some family issues related to illegitimacy we are trying to conduct our search as sensitively as we can and wish to try to locate as much as we can on our own without having to pressure other family members understandably. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.