Hello "Cousin" Jan, I too descend from Crispin and Lettice (very interested in the Payne theory..see end of message) through THREE of their sons: Gabriel, who married Elizabeth Shepard, d/o ?????? Beverly who married Anne Coleman d/o ???? Vincent who married Susannah Robertson, d/o Henry, s/o Christopher d. 1749 Amelia Co VA Gabriel had daughter Elizabeth Shelton, Beverly had son Charles Coleman Shelton These two married (of course!!) and produced Moses Hurt Shelton. Vincent had son Crispin Robertson Shelton who married Mary "Polly" Waller, d/o JOhn Waller and Mary Polly Cooper, d/o Thomas Cooper & Sarah Anthony. Vincent and Mary Polly had daughter Nancy Clark Shelton, the Clark being from Sarah's mother Elizabeth daughter of Christopher Clark and Penelope Johnson. Any way, Moses Hurt and Nancy Clark married (of course), moved to Todd Co KY ca, 1835, then to Lawrence Co MO ca, 1845 (doing from memory). What actually caught my attention was the name Payne idea and I am curious about what progress you are making. Actually, one of Gabriel and Elizabeth's children has the middle name BANKS, which is also a surname in their vicinity and has caused me to wonder. For Pittsylvania Sheltons, for a while I was told that I could descend from an Elizabeth CHOWNING who married Edward CHOATE, probably in Henry/Franklin/Pittsylvania. I went to the website below on the descendants of Thomas and Phoebe Payne that I thought might be of interest to Payne researchers: Janet Hunter http://w3.one.net/~evaughan/vaughan/wilson.htm