Barb, Libbie, and Debbie, BRAMMER is my direct line, through Bethany BRAMMER, daughter of Sarah (Lee) and John BRAMMER, Jr. I don't have a lot on them, but I'm workin' at it! Please take everything with a grain of salt, and any and all corrections and additions are deeply apprectiated!!! Sincerely, Lainie Hendrix Barb included the following: 1850 PCVA Census Household # 389 North District John Brammer (No age given in census)b. VA Sarah M. 27 yo b. VA Thursey 22 yo b. VA Jefferson H. 20 yo b. VA Mary J. 18 yo b. VA Elizabeth 16 yo b. VA The Sarah M. BRAMMER listed above was not the wife of John (no age given) BRAMMER, but rather his daughter. Additionally, this is not John BRAMMER II, but rather John BRAMMER III, son of John BRAMMER II and Sarah LEE. Descendants of John Brammer 1 John Brammer b: Abt. 1801 in VA d: Abt. 1868 . +Anna Hall b: Abt. 1802 in VA? d: Abt. 1840 in Patrick Co., VA ... 2 Sally M. Brammer b: Abt. 1823 ... 2 Letha Brammer b: Abt. 1826 in Patrick Co., VA ....... +James J. Martin ... 2 Hersey Thursey Brammer b: Abt. 1828 ... 2 Jefferson H. Brammer b: Abt. 1830 in Patrick Co., VA d: Abt. 1886 in Patrick Co., VA ....... +Elizabeth Stovall b: 1839 in Patrick Co., VA d: 1920 in Patrick Co., VA ... 2 Mary Jane Brammer b: Abt. 1832 ... 2 Elizabeth Brammer b: Abt. 1834 *2nd Wife of John Brammer: . +Nancy J. Hall b: Abt. 1837 in VA? ... 2 William H. Brammer b: Abt. 1860 ... 2 John J. Brammer b: Abt. 1861 ... 2 Reuben P. Brammer b: Abt. 1864 ... 2 Jonathan Brammer b: 21 November 1866 in Patrick Co., VA d: 28 October 1937 in Patrick Co., VA ... 2 George W. Brammer b: 09 September 1870 in Patrick Co., VA d: 27 December 1942 in Patrick Co., VA ....... +Mary E. ??? b: 27 November 1854 in VA d: 02 October 1931 in Patrick Co., VA ... 2 Minta V. F. Brammer b: Abt. 1875 John BRAMMER II and Sarah LEE were married on 30 April 1795 in Patrick Co., VA. The second wife of John BRAMMER II is believed to be Dorcas WINFREY, and while I've found an index with that marriage, I'm still not certain. Descendants of John Brammer, Jr. 1 John Brammer, Jr. b: Abt. 1771 in Patrick Co., VA d: Bef. 1847 in Patrick Co., VA . +Sarah Lee b: 1777 in Pittsylvania or Patrick Co., VA d: Abt. 1845 in Patrick Co., VA ... 2 Sarah Brammer b: 16 February 1796 in VA d: Abt. 1858 ....... +Joshua Agee b: Abt. 1799 in VA? d: Abt. 1883 ... 2 Mary Brammer b: 17 February 1796 in VA d: 29 February 1860 in Patrick Co., VA ....... +John Hubbard b: 1794 d: Abt. 1871 in prob. Patrick Co., VA ... 2 James A. Brammer b: Abt. 1798 in VA d: Abt. 1871 in VA ....... +Anna Hubbard b: Abt. 1802 in VA? d: Abt. 1866 in VA? ... *2nd Wife of James A. Brammer: ....... +Nancy Massie b: Abt. 1819 in VA? ... 2 Nancy Brammer b: Abt. 1800 in VA ....... +Richard Wood ... *2nd Husband of Nancy Brammer: ....... +Nelson Moran b: Abt. 1779 in VA? d: Abt. 1862 in VA ... 2 John Brammer III b: Abt. 1801 in VA d: Abt. 1868 ....... +Anna Hall b: Abt. 1802 in VA? d: Abt. 1840 in Patrick Co., VA ... *2nd Wife of John Brammer III: ....... +Nancy J. Hall b: Abt. 1837 in VA? ... 2 William Brammer b: 12 May 1803 in VA d: 24 April 1879 ....... +Belinda Lancaster b: Abt. 1812 in VA d: Abt. 1896 ... 2 Jonathan Brammer b: Abt. 1805 in VA d: Abt. 1874 ....... +Martha Maria (Lemon) Layman b: Abt. 1811 in VA d: Abt. 1880 ... 2 Bethany Brammer b: 26 November 1806 in Patrick Co., VA d: 23 June 1861 in Flat Top, WV ....... +Patrick Alexander Wood b: 14 October 1803 in VA d: 11 August 1885 in Flat Top, WV ... 2 Elizabeth Brammer b: Abt. 1808 in VA ....... +Alexander Bennet ... 2 Kiziah Brammer b: Abt. 1811 in VA ....... +Christian Layman b: Abt. 1813 in VA *2nd Wife of John Brammer, Jr.: . +Dorcas Winfrey There is another John BRAMMER who married a Sarah...this was John Lee BRAMMER who was son of Mary LEE and Edward/Edmund BRAMMER. Edward/Edmund was brother of John BRAMMER II who married Sarah LEE. Mary LEE and Sarah LEE were sisters...daughters of John LEE and his wife, Sarah (or so the story goes). Descendants of John Lee Brammer 1 John Lee Brammer b: 20 February 1788 in Henry Co., VA d: Abt. 1866 in Lawrence Co., OH . +Sarah Campbell b: Abt. 1787 in VA d: 18 August 1849 in Lawrence Co., OH ... 2 Nancy Brammer ....... +David Chafin ... 2 Clark Brammer ....... +Catherine Clarke ... 2 Jane Brammer ....... +Kindley Mann ... 2 Edmund Brammer ....... +Penina Henry ... 2 Henry Brammer ....... +Bethinah Henry ... 2 Robert C. Brammer ....... +Malinda s. Boyd ... *2nd Wife of Robert C. Brammer: ....... +Susan Waller ... *3rd Wife of Robert C. Brammer: ....... +Lucinda Bruce ... 2 John L. Brammer ....... +Charity Vermillion ... 2 Mary Brammer ....... +Francis W. Hite ... 2 Martha Brammer ....... +John G. Suiter