Barb R, Lainie, & Debbie, My records and Lainie's match fairly close. Lainie, you have more information than I do (I don't show Nancy J. Hall as the second wife of John Brammer). I agree with Lainie's description of the 3 John Brammers. The first one I have noted as just "John Brammer", the second one as "John Brammer, Jr." and the third one as "John Brammer" (technically he is the III). Barb, your census listing shows Sarah M. Brammer aged 27 years. Lainie and I both show her as "Sally" M. Brammer, but I'm sure this is the same person. This is pretty confusing, but I believe Lainie;s done a good job of sorting it out. Libby McKinney