Mitosis, I do not have anything on your Thomas H. Helms. but here is what I have on Jacob's family, including the other names you mentioned. Moses Helm b 1701 d 1780, m before 1738 possibly in Ireland Sarah Jamerson b 1711 d 1811. Son: Jacob William. Ref #2, Elizabeth & John. Jacob William Helm b c1738 d 1780, m(1) Mary "Polly" Helms d 28 Mar 1828 buried nr CallowayVA. Children: William, John, m(2) Mary Ann (Helm) b c1864? d after 1844. Son: Jacob Jacob Helms b c1778 VA, Ref #5, son of Jacob W. & Mary Ann Helms, m 8 Mar 1806 FranklinCoVA Nancy Webb, dau of Constance "Connie" Webb. Children: Jacob & Sally, Sebret (Sebird), George Washington John J. & Ann S. Jacob m(2) mb17 Dec 1822 PCVA Rebecca Williams Ref #4, b c1790 VA. Children: Martha 23, Lavinia "Viny" 20, Thomas J. 13, Samuel 10 - all born in VA Ref #3. Jacob Helms, son of Jacob & Nancy Webb Helms. Sally Helms b c1805, dau of Jacob & Nancy Webb Helms, m 23 Dec 1822 PCVA John B. Williams, born c1795 VA d c1859, son of Aaron Williams & Elizabeth Lee. Surety was Jacob Helms, her brother. See Williams Hist. Sebret (Sebird) Helms, son of Jacob & Nancy Webb Helms, mb 3 Mar 1823 FranklinCoVA Anna Radford. George Washington Helms b 14 Feb 1809 FranklinCoVA d Oct 1904 DeltaCoTX, son of Jacob & Nancy Webb Helms, m(1) 10 Sep 1829 PCVA Ruth Mayo Burnett b 1811 PCVA, dau of Jeremiah Burnette & Martha "Patsy" Hughes. Child: George T. Helms b c1830. m(2) 23 May 1858 HopkinsCoTX Charlotte Maddeb Chapman. George T. Helms b c1830 PCVA, son of George W. & Ruth Mayo Burnett Helms, m bef Jul 1872 FranklinCoVA Martha Turner b c1844 FranklinCoVA, dau of Thomas K. & Caroline Pyrtle Turner. Ref #46-20. Child: Martha E. Martha E. Helms b 1875 VA, dau of George T. & Martha Helms, m 9 Apr 1890 PCVA Joseph J. Wright b 1879 PCVA, son of Jefferson Nash Wright & Nancy Jane Via. John J. Helms Cellum, son of Jacob & Nancy Webb Helms, m 1837 St. AugustineTX ______.According to Col. Frank A. Rogers, Jr., John J. Helms went to Texas about 1837. He was given land near the present day Marshall for his participation in the Battle of San Jaiento near Houston with Sam Huston. John married in St. Augustine by a Spanish "Alcalde" who wrote the H of Helm into a Spanish "C" thus changing his name to James Cellum. It is his son Erastus Cellum who married Aletha Helm. Ann S. Helms b c1813 VA, dau of Jacob & Nancy Webb Helms, m 24 Nov 1831 PCVA John Arrington Jr. Ref #4, b c1809 VA. Children: John H. Arrington b c1834 VA, Ellen Arrington b c1836 VA & Jacob Arrington b c1838 VA.- 1850 Census PCVA. Martha Helms b c1827 VA, dau of Jacob Adam & Rebecca Williams Helms. Lavinia "Viny" Helms b c1830 VA, dau of Jacob Adam & Rebecca Williams Helms. (Viny Helm age 33 living with Nancy Boyd Fam #476, 1870 PCVA Census as asst housekeeper) Samuel Helms b c1837 PCVA d 8 Jun 1862 PCVA, son of Jacob & Rebecca Williams Helms, m 7 Mar 1861 PCVA Ruth A. Handy b c1839 PCVA, dau of James Handy & Nancy Hughes. Ref #7. Ruth, a widow, m(2) 25 Apr 1872 PCVA John W. Townley b c1832 PCVA, son of William and Nancy Townley. Ref #7 Thomas J. Helms b c1839 PCVA d Nov 1861 RaleighCoVA Civil War, Ref #9, son of Jacob & Rebecca Williams Helms, m 7 Oct 1858 PCVA (Eloise) Louisa J. Whaling b c1839 PCVA, dau of Pleasant and Louise (Lucinda) Whaling. Ref #7. Louisa, a widow, m(2) 13 Mar 1866 PCVA Michael A. Rorrer b c1821 PittsylvaniaCoVA, a widower and son of David and Nancy Rorer. Ellen Helms b c1859 VA, dau of Thomas & Louisa Helms. Ref #99. Fam #287. Iowa T. Helms b c1861 PCVA, dau of T. & S. Helms (probable dau of Thomas J. & Louisa J. Whaling Helms), m 2 Nov 1882 PCVA James Preston Lawson b 1861 PCVA d 1945. Ref #19. Children: Nick Lawson, Virgil Lawson, Elizabeth Helm b c1739 d 1837, dau of Moses & Sarah Jamerson Helm, m 15 May 1758 Alexander Steele. John Helm b 1741 d 1825 CampbellCoVA, son of Moses & Sarah Jamerson Helm, m 1776 Mary Carson. Mary Helms b c1743, dau of Moses & Sarah Jamerson Helm, m c1765 James Carson. Thomas Helm b 1748 d 1781 in battle of Guilford Court House, son of Moses & Sarah Jamerson Helm, m Nancy Ann Gilbert. Susannah Helm b c 1750, dau of Moses & Sarah Jamerson Helm, m 11 Aug 1772 James Dixon. Sarah Helm b c1755, dau of Moses & Sarah Jamerson Helm. ================= OK, so I did find a Thomas Helms who married Sinai Turner, in another line, or maybe it is the same line and I just haven't connected them yet. Looky here...... Thomas Helms b 11 Jan 1773 d Nov 1854, at one time owned about 100 slaves. Grandson: George Turner. Ref #1. Also Children: John, Peter, Thomas? Thomas Helms b c1825 VA, presumably son of Thomas Helms, m 6 Mar 1847 PCVA Sinai Turner dau of Obadiah Turner Ref #4. Mary S. Helms b c1849 PCVA, dau of Thomas and Sincy Helms, m 22 Jan 1871 PCVA Asa L. Underwood b c1849 FranklinCoVA, s/o John & Tamer Underwood. Ref #7 John Helms b c1826 VA, son of Thomas Helms, m 1 Oct 1847 PCVA Lavina Alexander, dau of Anny Alexander Ref #4 b c1826 VA Ref #3. Peter Helms, son of Thomas Helms, m 19 Feb 1848 PCVA Dianah (Dianna) Booth, consent of Anna McAlexander, who is the sister of D. Booth's father Ref #4. Daniel Prillaman Helm b 21 Apr 1809 d 9 Feb 1896? Cem #139, Ref #10, son of Thomas Helms, m 21 Apr 1830 FranklinCoVA Mary Jane Turner b 3 Oct 1808 VA. Sur. George Turner. Children: George Turner Ref #5, Mary J. & Isaac Washington - Ref #16 & Mildred A. Ref #19. George Turner Helms b c1837 VA d 16 May 1917 buried HenryCoVA, Civil War Vet, son of Daniel Prillaman & Jane Turner Helm, m Martha Via b c1850 VA d 5 Mar 1938 (1928) buried HenryCoVa. Children: Frances I., Martha E., Margaret, Eliza, Ruth, Robert, Daniel Prillaman & George T. Frances I. Helms b c1870 VA, dau of George Turner & Martha Via Helms. Martha E. Helms b 16 Sep 1871 PCVA, dau of George Turner & Martha Via Helms, m 9 Apr 1890 PCVA James J. Wright. Margaret Helms b c1874 VA, dau of George Turner & Martha Via Helms. Eliza Helms b 20 Aug 1875 PCVA, dau of George Turner & Martha Via Helms. Ruth Helms b 16 Jun 1878 PCVA (b 9 Aug 1878) d 15 Oct 1949 buried BassettVA, dau of George Turner & Martha Via Helms, m George William Wright.Children: Robert Lee, Mary Alice, Nina, Mattie Sue Stone, Nellie Eanes, James B. Wright, John H. Wright & Lemuel P. Wright. Robert Helms b 24 May 1884 PCVA, son of George Turner & Martha Via Helms. Elder Daniel Prillaman Helms b 1881 d Apr 1965 HenryCoVA (obit), son of George T. & Martha Via Helms, m 1908 Laura Ramsey b 28 Apr 1891 BassettVA d 30 Nov 1988 HenryCoVA. Ref #8 (lived to be 97 1/2), dau of John Woodson Ramsey & Mary Drucilla "Sissie" Bassett. Children: Chester Daniel, Waively M., John David, Mary, Joe Travis Chester Daniel Helms b before 1910 d between March 1983 and Nov 1988, WW II Vet, Air Force, son of George T. & Martha Via Helms. Waively M. Helms b 20 Oct 1911 d 29 Dec 1989, son of Elder Daniel Prillaman Helms & Laura Ramsey John David Helms b 10 Feb 1918 HenryCoVA, d 2 Mar 1983 Hosp. Winston Salem NC, resident of PCVA, entombment at Bassett Mausoleum, BassettVA (obit) and Ref #8, son of Elder Daniel Prillaman Helms & Laura Ramsey, m Vivian Marie Light, dau of Clifford Eugene Light & Vergie Emma Clifton. 2 children: Nancy Jo & John David Jr. Mary Helms, retired school teacher, dau of Elder Daniel P. & Laura Ramsey Helms, m A. C. Owen. Joe Travis Helms, son of Elder Daniel P. & Laura Ramsey Helms. George T. Helms Jr. b 11 May 1889 PCVA d 11 Nov 1960 buried HenryCoVA Cem #130, son of George Turner & Martha Via Helms, m 25 Dec 1912 Fosie Lou Joyce b 23 Feb 1891 d 8 Oct 1972 Cem #130, Ref #10, dau of Abraham L. and Josie E. Spencer Joise. Children: Clarence Helms, Minnie Helms Merricks, Mildred Helms Foster. Ref #18 Mary J. Helms b c1838 d 12 Jan 1896 PCVA, d/o Daniel P. & Mary J. Helms, m John M. Woody. Isaac Washington Helms b 1 Jan 1854 PCVA (b FranklinCoVA Ref #113) d 16 Nov 1922 PCVA Cem #139, Ref #10, son of Daniel P. and Jane Turner Helms, m 6 Feb 1901 PCVA Sarah Jane "Sally" Thompson b 17 Jan 1871 WoolwinePCVA d 17 Nov 1942 FieldaleVA (obit), dau of William Pleasant Thompson & Sarah Agnes Hall. Ref #113. Children: Earl Helms, Grady Helms, Mrs. Lillian Cahill, Mrs. Leola Barnes, Iva (Mrs. Lawrence French). U. Grady Helms b 29 Apr 1905 d 23 May 1973 Cem #139, probably son of Sallie Jane Thompson Helms, m Cora B. ______b 17 Apr 1901 , Ref #10 Mildred A. Helms, dau of Daniel P. Helms and Jane Turner, m(1) Philip Prillaman d pre Dec 1895. Mildred, a widow, m(2) 4 Dec 1895 George W. Turner b 13 Feb 1837 HenryCoVA, son of Stephen & Ruth Prillaman Turner. George m(1) 21 Dec 1858 FranklinCoVA Lucy A. Luke b c1837, dau of William Luke & Sophronia Hill. Ref #19. Sources: Ref #1 - That's How It Was, Cow Tails and Other Tales, Mary Helms Owen Ref #2 - Ancestor Sheet, Janice Kinsler Smith Ref #3 - 1850 Census Patrick Co VA Ref #4 - Marriages of Patrick Co VA 1791-1850, Lela C. Adams Ref #5 - Marriage Bonds of FranklinCoVA 1780-1858, Marshall Wingfield Ref #7 - Patrick Co. VA Marriages 1854-1874, Jimmie Martin Steele Ref #8 - Obituaries, mostly from The Enterprise. Ref #10 - Tombstone Inscriptions of Cemeteries of PatCoVA, O.E. Pilson Ref #16 - Stone printout, Eunice B. Kirkman Ref #18 - Irene Joyce Hancock, Patrick Springs PCVA Ref #19 - Cathell-Rangeley Turner, James H. Turner, Ph.D.(including cx) Ref #19 - Joann Cavito, Uniontown OH Ref #46 - Turner Compilations, Nyla Creed Nettie Simon Clifton, Catonsville MD, <nettie@erols.com> <<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>>