I recently came across a 1849 Land Grant to William Martin. The property boarders that of Elijah Spencer, who is noted as being deceased. I was unable to find Elijah on any of the online marriage lists or censuses. Could some one please tell me a little something about Elijah? Were his survivors still living in Patrick County when the 1850 census was taken? Thanks again to all who have helped with my past queries. Art Steiger __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

I have a question for Truman Adkins and cannot find his e-mail address. If anyone has it I'd appreciate receiving it. Thanks. Mary

Eunice, When you say some say Isaac was the son of General Joseph MARTIN to which Isaac are you referring: Isaac, father of William, or Isaac, possible son of William? If you are speaking of the latter, it seems much more likely to me that William, son of Isaac, would name a son after his father, and that that son would name a daughter after his mother, so I am leaning toward William and Delphia being the parents of my Isaac. But since I have done little with this line thus far, and find myself relying greatly on the previous research of others at this time, I am open to hearing all other possibilities. I saw somewhere that the theory of Joseph being the father of any Isaac as being disproved based on Joseph's final will, but what that researcher failed to notice was that Joseph specifically stated that he wanted all of his estate left to his present wife and children, because the children of his previous wives had already received their share. I took that to mean that the children named in the will were those of his last wife only, so I don't think that alone would rule out his being the father of any number of other children. But again, I am only skimming the top here. I would love to hear any theories that you or the other members have. :-) Lee > > X-Message: #5 > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:34:02 -0500 > From: "Eunice B. Kirkman" <Ebkirkman@swva.net> > To: VAPATRIC-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <001c01c6362a$b2ec6140$204b2542@Mine> > Subject: Re: [VAPATRICK] Delphia MARTIN, 1 and 2 > > Some say that Isaac was the son of Gen. Joseph Martin; I've found no evidence to support that. It is believed by some that Isaac was born in Maryland and migrated to Henry/Patrick county. I've found that Martin was both an English and French name... and many Martins came to the colonies from different countries early on. > > A DNA testing group of male direct descendants would likely present a number of surprises. > > > -- Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness Volunteer for Spartanburg County, SC Pass the favor on: http://www.raogk.org/ Cemetery Photography & Research http://www.timelesstombstones.com/ The Family History of Bob & Lee Anders http://www.leeanders.com/history/ For All Else: http://www.leeanders.com/

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Anders" <leeanders@gmail.com> To: <VAPATRIC-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:05 AM Subject: [VAPATRICK] Delphia MARTIN, 1 and 2 (snip) > Delphia DeHART, daughter of William and Rachel MARTIN, died in 1859. > > Delphia CRADDOCK, daughter of Isaac MARTIN, died in 1893. > > Now, I am not certain who Isaac's father was but I have been told it > was William. When and if I ever get all my ducks in a row with this > family, I'll let you guys know what I find. Some say that Isaac was the son of Gen. Joseph Martin; I've found no evidence to support that. It is believed by some that Isaac was born in Maryland and migrated to Henry/Patrick county. I've found that Martin was both an English and French name... and many Martins came to the colonies from different countries early on. A DNA testing group of male direct descendants would likely present a number of surprises.

Good morning, Folks :-) In public response to the private emails I have received: Unfortunately, I am on shaky ground here because I have not followed through on much of my CRADDOCK and MARTIN research. I am working on many, many lines, and sadly, I haven't touched this one in far too many months. BUT, I can say with utmost certainty that the Delphia MARTIN who married James DeHART is NOT the same Delphia who married James CRADDOCK. My Delphia MARTIN was about 16 when she married James CRADDOCK on 16 September 1834. She and James went on to have at least 13 children, the last being born about 1862. My own gr-gr grandfather Daniel Franklin CRADDOCK was not born until 1852. So you see, there is absolutely no way this is the same Delphia as the one born in 1775. Delphia DeHART, daughter of William and Rachel MARTIN, died in 1859. Delphia CRADDOCK, daughter of Isaac MARTIN, died in 1893. Now, I am not certain who Isaac's father was but I have been told it was William. When and if I ever get all my ducks in a row with this family, I'll let you guys know what I find. Have a great day! :-) Lee Anders -- Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness Volunteer for Spartanburg County, SC Pass the favor on: http://www.raogk.org/ Cemetery Photography & Research http://www.timelesstombstones.com/ The Family History of Bob & Lee Anders http://www.leeanders.com/history/ For All Else: http://www.leeanders.com/

I am trying to find information about Mary "Polly" King who married Charles Jones. She was either the daughter of John King or George King. Would also like to know if Wade's were related to this family. Appreciate any King/Jones information from late 1700's & 1800's. Thank you. Mary

On 2/19/06, Lee Anders <leeanders@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi again Art, > > There appears to be some confusion here. Yes, indeed, there was confusion but on my part not yours! I should make sure I'm clear about the message I'm reading before clicking reply!!! Sorry... Lee (who is going to bed before her typing gets ahead of her brain again.)

Hi again Art, There appears to be some confusion here. The 75 year old William Martin of which you speak is living with a James and Nancy HARRIS in 1850. At first, I thought you might be talking about James CRADDOCK, son of Perdelphia, who also married a MARTIN, so I went to my database to check, but he didn't marry her until 1860. I then checked the census, and the only William MARTIN, age 75, is indeed with the HARRIS family. According to my records, James and Nancy HARRIS had a daughter named Sarah, and she married Thomas CRADDOCK in 1856. Thomas was, if I'm not mistaken, brother to Perdelphia's husband James. As for Perdelphia, she was the daughter of Isaac MARTIN, who, I believe, may have been a son to the William MARTIN Deb was talking about in her email. The confusion over Perdelphia's husband stems from a mistranscription of or misinformation on her death record. I need to order it to see where the problem actually rests, but anyway, the transcription credits D.F. as her husband when he was actually the informant. Also, according to my records, Deb's William MARTIN died about 1804, so this William is obviously not the same man. Perhaps a son or nephew? :-) Lee > X-Message: #4 > Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:19:13 -0800 (PST) > From: Art <artsteiger@yahoo.com> > To: VAPATRIC-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <20060219201913.31345.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [VAPATRICK] Re: Question on Perdelphia Martin > > Actually I'm looking for my elusive Martin ancestors > in Patrick County. I had wondered why 75-year old > William Martin was living with James & Nancy Craddock > Harris in 1850. Perdelphia Martin married James > Craddock, so there is a marital connection between the > families, but I'm still not sure who this particular > William was. > > Art > > -- Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness Volunteer for Spartanburg County, SC Pass the favor on: http://www.raogk.org/ Cemetery Photography & Research http://www.timelesstombstones.com/ The Family History of Bob & Lee Anders http://www.leeanders.com/history/ For All Else: http://www.leeanders.com/

Well..the William Martin I believe is my ancestor, married Delphia Walden and they had a daughter, Delphia Martin aka Phildelphia Martin. I had thought this might be the family you were speaking of...but I don't think this Wm Martin would have been living in 1850 although it is possible. Wm was probably the son of Isaac Martin and Phyllis/Fillis Halifax to Patrick Co VA. Their son Giles Martin was my direct line. I think her was a Rev War Vet: MARTIN, William (VA) Revolutionary War Records VIRGINIA SECTION II (18) [DOCUMENT No. 44] 7569 Martin, William State Line I'd like to know more about your Martins. If you'd like to see the details of what I believe to be this family view my websites... http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=whattagroup http://varoots.tripod.com --- Art <artsteiger@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi Lee, > > Thanks for the info. > > Actually I'm looking for my elusive Martin ancestors > in Patrick County. I had wondered why 75-year old > William Martin was living with James & Nancy > Craddock > Harris in 1850. Perdelphia Martin married James > Craddock, so there is a marital connection between > the > families, but I'm still not sure who this particular > William was. > > Art > > > --- Lee Anders <leeanders@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Art, > > > > The correct Craddock is James. > > D.F. (Daniel Franklin) Craddock was her son. > > > > If you are descended from this family, I would > love > > to compare notes sometime. > > > > Lee Anders > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > Patrick Co., Va. List Administrator > Barb Stanley > barbstanley@cox.net > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

"Marriages of Patrick County, Virginia 1791 - 1850. On Page 27, 16 Sep 1834 James Craddock and Delpha (Perdelpha) Martin. Sur. Isaac Martin. Min. Joshua Adams. On Page 31, 3 Dec 1831, James DeHart and Delpha Martin, widow of Moses Martin. Sur. Stephen Hubbard. Wit. Elijah H. DeHart., Min. Stephen Hubbard. On Page 31, James W. DeHart and Rebecca Martin, daughter of Delpha DeHart. Sur. Elijah H. DeHart. Min. Jesse Jones. On page 124, 4 Aug 1839, John Vest and Delphia Martin. Sur. William Martin. Min. Joshua Adams. Wilma Lawson Padgett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Art" <artsteiger@yahoo.com> To: <VAPATRIC-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: [VAPATRICK] Question on Perdelphia Martin > Thanks to everyone who responded to my recent queries. > > > I wonder if some one could clear up a question on > Perdelphia Martin. I have the following marriage for > her: James Craddock m. Delphia Martin, Sep 16, 1834, > Patrick County; but elsewhere, I see her husband > listed as either D.F. Craddock, or I.F. Craddock. > > Which is the correct Craddock? > > Thanks, > Art Steiger > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > Patrick County Heritage Book Volumes 1 & 2 > http://www.myvirginiaheritage.com/heritage_books/patrick_county2.htm > >

Hi Lee, Thanks for the info. Actually I'm looking for my elusive Martin ancestors in Patrick County. I had wondered why 75-year old William Martin was living with James & Nancy Craddock Harris in 1850. Perdelphia Martin married James Craddock, so there is a marital connection between the families, but I'm still not sure who this particular William was. Art --- Lee Anders <leeanders@gmail.com> wrote: > Art, > > The correct Craddock is James. > D.F. (Daniel Franklin) Craddock was her son. > > If you are descended from this family, I would love > to compare notes sometime. > > Lee Anders > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Art, The correct Craddock is James. D.F. (Daniel Franklin) Craddock was her son. If you are descended from this family, I would love to compare notes sometime. Lee Anders > X-Message: #1 > Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:09:38 -0800 (PST) > From: Art <artsteiger@yahoo.com> > To: VAPATRIC-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <20060218220938.40536.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> > Subject: Question on Perdelphia Martin > I wonder if some one could clear up a question on > Perdelphia Martin. I have the following marriage for > her: James Craddock m. Delphia Martin, Sep 16, 1834, > Patrick County; but elsewhere, I see her husband > listed as either D.F. Craddock, or I.F. Craddock. > > Which is the correct Craddock? > > Thanks, > Art Steiger -- Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness Volunteer for Spartanburg County, SC Pass the favor on: http://www.raogk.org/ Cemetery Photography & Research http://www.timelesstombstones.com/ The Family History of Bob & Lee Anders http://www.leeanders.com/history/ For All Else: http://www.leeanders.com/

Yes, actually, I have Perdelphia as Philadelphia with nickname Delphia. I didn't have a spouse for her however. I would like any other info on her and siblings,if you would, Art and Lee. Thank you, Debbie --- Art <artsteiger@yahoo.com> wrote: > Thanks to everyone who responded to my recent > queries. > > > I wonder if some one could clear up a question on > Perdelphia Martin. I have the following marriage > for > her: James Craddock m. Delphia Martin, Sep 16, 1834, > Patrick County; but elsewhere, I see her husband > listed as either D.F. Craddock, or I.F. Craddock. > > Which is the correct Craddock? > > Thanks, > Art Steiger > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > Patrick County Heritage Book Volumes 1 & 2 > http://www.myvirginiaheritage.com/heritage_books/patrick_county2.htm > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Art, Families back in that day often gave their children more than two christian names. Due to the fact that they all named their own children after brothers, sisters, or others in the family, they would use the name less used to differentiate from another family member (How many times are you going to yell for Joe if there are five or six Joes to answer?) I once searched for three brothers, becoming more frustated as time went on, only to discover that James, John, and Jack were one and the same. This doesn't answer the question, however, it may help to understand the discrepancy. Eunice B. Kirkman *~/\~* ebkirkman@swva.net The beautiful Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Art" <artsteiger@yahoo.com> To: <VAPATRIC-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: [VAPATRICK] Question on Perdelphia Martin > Thanks to everyone who responded to my recent queries. > > > I wonder if some one could clear up a question on > Perdelphia Martin. I have the following marriage for > her: James Craddock m. Delphia Martin, Sep 16, 1834, > Patrick County; but elsewhere, I see her husband > listed as either D.F. Craddock, or I.F. Craddock. > > Which is the correct Craddock? > > Thanks, > Art Steiger > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > Patrick County Heritage Book Volumes 1 & 2 > http://www.myvirginiaheritage.com/heritage_books/patrick_county2.htm > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 2/15/2006 > >

Thanks to everyone who responded to my recent queries. I wonder if some one could clear up a question on Perdelphia Martin. I have the following marriage for her: James Craddock m. Delphia Martin, Sep 16, 1834, Patrick County; but elsewhere, I see her husband listed as either D.F. Craddock, or I.F. Craddock. Which is the correct Craddock? Thanks, Art Steiger __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hello Cousin Alpha! Thank you and all the others that have worked so long and so hard on this. I'm really looking forward to seeing the final product. I'm sure it will be absolutely wonderful. John Taylor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alpha Hiatt" <famalpha@yahoo.com> To: <VAPATRIC-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 1:32 PM Subject: [VAPATRICK] Update on Patrick County Heritage Book Volume II >I just talked with the publisher today, and it looks > like the Heritage Book will be back in March. We have > completed the 2nd Proofs as has the publisher and I'm > awaiting the 3rd Proofs to arrive at my door anyday > now. > > I'm glad we didn't go to press with the 1st > Proofs at Christmas as we were under 48 hour > turnaround with each section as the publisher sent it > to us in an effort to try and make up the 3 weeks lost > to both hurricanes. When we completed the 2nd proofs > after Christmas, we had 50+ pages of errors and 53 bad > pictures that had to be fixed. Nearly all these > errors were from the submitters in misspellings, > grammar, material that was left out from not > proofreading their work before it was turned in, and > dates. The picture problem was also from submitters > that turned in bad pictures to us from not having > enough experience with scanners to make good copies. > We made every effort to contact submitters to get > these stories right for you. And all but five of the > pictures were fixed by the publisher (thank goodness > for modern technology). > > Anyway, I know you will enjoy it when it comes. As > soon as we go through these 50+ pages of errors to > make sure they're all fixed, that's it, and we're off > to the press. So we're almost there. Hope you have > plenty of muscle power to lift it, its big compared to > Volume I with many many more Family Stories and > pictures. Hey you might even need to get into Olympic > training to lift it, just kidding! It's going to be a > great quality book and we've worked very very hard to > get it to this point. > > We hope each of you enjoy our book when it comes out. > We know we have enjoyed reading your stories and > looking at your pictures. The stories are just grand > as are the pictures. If you were set to receive your > book via UPS, please know your name and address has > already gone to the publisher for shipping. > > So the long and short of it is, March is expected > arrival, we're awaiting the third and final proofs, > it's coming very soon! > > If you have any further questions about the Heritage > Book, please e-mail me and let me know. I'm always > happy to reply back to you. > > Alpha Hiatt, Chairman > Patrick County Heritage Book Volume II > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > Patrick Co., Va. List Administrator > Barb Stanley > barbstanley@cox.net > >

Mr. Hiatt, I am just receiving notice about the Patrick co. Heritage book. I have shelves full of these books from other counties and I would be interested in purchasing one if the line includes , Daniel's, Hopkins, Gunnell , Spencer lines... My Hopkins is from a Richard 1700, Spencer "John / William early 1700's.. A Joseph Hopkins m. Mary C. Gunnell ... Sorry to ask so many questions but I have bought books from a county with no results which is very disappointing.. Thank you, Gail Hopkins

I just talked with the publisher today, and it looks like the Heritage Book will be back in March. We have completed the 2nd Proofs as has the publisher and I'm awaiting the 3rd Proofs to arrive at my door anyday now. I'm glad we didn't go to press with the 1st Proofs at Christmas as we were under 48 hour turnaround with each section as the publisher sent it to us in an effort to try and make up the 3 weeks lost to both hurricanes. When we completed the 2nd proofs after Christmas, we had 50+ pages of errors and 53 bad pictures that had to be fixed. Nearly all these errors were from the submitters in misspellings, grammar, material that was left out from not proofreading their work before it was turned in, and dates. The picture problem was also from submitters that turned in bad pictures to us from not having enough experience with scanners to make good copies. We made every effort to contact submitters to get these stories right for you. And all but five of the pictures were fixed by the publisher (thank goodness for modern technology). Anyway, I know you will enjoy it when it comes. As soon as we go through these 50+ pages of errors to make sure they're all fixed, that's it, and we're off to the press. So we're almost there. Hope you have plenty of muscle power to lift it, its big compared to Volume I with many many more Family Stories and pictures. Hey you might even need to get into Olympic training to lift it, just kidding! It's going to be a great quality book and we've worked very very hard to get it to this point. We hope each of you enjoy our book when it comes out. We know we have enjoyed reading your stories and looking at your pictures. The stories are just grand as are the pictures. If you were set to receive your book via UPS, please know your name and address has already gone to the publisher for shipping. So the long and short of it is, March is expected arrival, we're awaiting the third and final proofs, it's coming very soon! If you have any further questions about the Heritage Book, please e-mail me and let me know. I'm always happy to reply back to you. Alpha Hiatt, Chairman Patrick County Heritage Book Volume II __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

The hard copies of all family files that I compiled at the Bassett library are, indeed, old. I've done very little research in the past five years due to visual problems. There are more recent copies however on computer. Eunice B. Kirkman *~/\~* ebkirkman@swva.net The beautiful Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Taylor Martin Jr." <jtmartin@bellsouth.net> To: <VAPATRIC-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [VAPATRICK] 1840 Census Lookup > Page 19: > > William Martin, neighbor of Hardin Fulcher, is 20 under 30 years old. > Another male under 5. Three females, one under 5, one 5 under 10, and one > 20 under 30 - his spouse presumably. > > Page 29: > > William Martin, neighbor of Isaiah(?) Whitlock, is 40 under 50 years old. > 1 male 5 under 10, two males 10 under 15. Two females under 5, 2 females > 5 under 10, one female 15 under 20, and one female 30 under 40 - > presumably his spouse. > > If memory serves, there are three different Martin databases that I have > seen hard copies of at the Bassett Historical Library and the Stuart > museum. One by Mrs Kirkman, one by Richard Rogers, and one by Nettie > Clifton. Although they all three appeared to be very similar, I made a > hard copy of the Richard Rogers version as it appeared to be more recent. > But I could be wrong. I know Ms Kirkman and Ms Clifton still read here > from time to time and I'm sure they can shed a more light on it than I > can. > > John Taylor Martin Jr. > > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > Patrick Co., Va. List Administrator > Barb Stanley > barbstanley@cox.net > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 2/15/2006 > >

Page 19: William Martin, neighbor of Hardin Fulcher, is 20 under 30 years old. Another male under 5. Three females, one under 5, one 5 under 10, and one 20 under 30 - his spouse presumably. Page 29: William Martin, neighbor of Isaiah(?) Whitlock, is 40 under 50 years old. 1 male 5 under 10, two males 10 under 15. Two females under 5, 2 females 5 under 10, one female 15 under 20, and one female 30 under 40 - presumably his spouse. If memory serves, there are three different Martin databases that I have seen hard copies of at the Bassett Historical Library and the Stuart museum. One by Mrs Kirkman, one by Richard Rogers, and one by Nettie Clifton. Although they all three appeared to be very similar, I made a hard copy of the Richard Rogers version as it appeared to be more recent. But I could be wrong. I know Ms Kirkman and Ms Clifton still read here from time to time and I'm sure they can shed a more light on it than I can. John Taylor Martin Jr.