This was really fascinating and definitely fills in some gaps. In a few cases, I've found where ancestors that migrated to Virginia from Pennsylvania eventually moved on into North Carolina near the Yadkin. Some of the Burkes did this. Also, I believe Daniel Boone (no relation) did the same. This certainly makes sense considering the fact that the road ran along this route! Thanks SO much for sharing this interesting info!! MizzKat (Only 2 more weeks until I get to change that to "Ole Kat!" The big "5-0" is April 1st!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Stanley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 5:52 AM Subject: [VAPATRIC] Wagon Road THE GREAT PHILADELPHIA WAGON ROAD Dr. Harry Y. Gamble This famous road began at the Schuylkill River Ferry on the west side of Philadelphia. The Schuylkill rises to the south of Hazelton, near the center of eastern Pennsylvania, and flows southward through Schuylkill Haven, thence to Port Clinton where it is joined by the Little Schuylkill. The larger river then flows south through Reading, then south-eastern through Potstown and Norristown to the southern Philadelphia area where it joins the Delaware. Beginning at Schuylkill River Ferry the road ran west through what is known as the Pennsylvania Dutch County to Lancaster, Pennsylvania, thence to Harris Ferry on the Susquehanna River (midway between Lancaster and York) and on to York, Pennsylvania. The road then moved in a gradual southwestern direction crossing part of what is now Maryland to Williams Ferry on the Potomac River, then stretched southwest across the tip of West Virginia to the beautiful plateau of the Winchester, Virginia area just south of the most eastward thrust of West Virginia. From Winchester the road ran to present day Strasburg where the northern reaches of the Blue Ridge suddenly sprawl eastward as if by natural accommodation to open the mouth of the great valley of Virginia lying between the Appalachian on the west and the Blue Ridge on the east. Much of Highway Rt. 11 running through the Valley follows the bed of the Old Wagon Road. At some points it parallels or intersects the old road. The new Interstate Highway 81 through the Valley runs some distance west of the old road. Entering the beautiful Valley and hugging close to the Blue Ridge the road ran from Strasburg through or near the present day towns of Toms Brook, Woodstock, Edinburg, Mt. Jackson, New Market, Mauzy and through the small and widely scattered hills of the Harrisonburg area, to Mt. Crawford, Weyer's Cave and Staunton. From Staunton the road ran through the Lexington area to Buchanan where the James River was crossed at Looneys Ferry and where the Appalachian Range makes a southeasterly thrust to touch the Blue Ridge. Moving toward the present site of Roanoke and with deminishing ruggedness of the Blue Ridge permitting more frequent passages of safety to the east, the road turned eastward through the Staunton Gap, then southward crossing the Blackwater, Irvine and Dan Rivers and on to Wachovia, North Carolina on a tributary of the Yadkin River. After about 1756 the road ran on to the Trading Ford on the Yadkin River near present day Salisbury where it intersected other old trails originating in Virginia and leading into the south and southwest from the Trading Ford. <http://www.garstfamily.com/articles/PhilaWagonRoad.htm>http://www.garstfam ily.com/articles/PhilaWagonRoad.htm ---------- At 10:54 PM 3/16/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Mizz Kat, > >My De Hart family came from Amherst County starting about 1795. I think many times families moved together trying to get more or better land or maybe free land grants. Also, my De Harts were in PA and before that in NY so it makes sense that the Penn families came down the Old Wagon Road from PA like my De Hart family did, and then into Amherst Co. I have been told that the Old Wagon Road was just about in the same place that I-81 is now, and that where the intersection of what is now Cloverdale Road and Rt 117, is where the Old Wagon Road took a turn to the left. Some of the people went that way into other counties such as Bedford and Amherst, and the others continued onward into what is now Roanoke and beyond. I don't have any records on this, just talk from meetings I have attended. There is a book on the Old Wagon Road and I thought I had a copy, but cannot find it at the moment. Try your local library to see what they have. > >Ol' Pat ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== Patrick Co., Va. List Administrator Barb Stanley [email protected] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05

No, I don't have a copy of the book. Mainly what I'd like to know is where cemeteries are located that have a number of Fulchers buried there. When we come up for the picnic (hopefully!) we'd like to roam around and read some headstones. One of the main subjects we're interested in is George Fulcher (apparently the first Fulcher in Patrick Co.) and who his father was. We've got a name "John Fulcher" but do not have documented proof. There's alot of discussion and misinformation out there on the web about this topic, but no one has ever shown me real evidence of this relationship. We are trying to connect the Virginia Fulchers back to the first Fulcher in America, Capt. Thomas Fulcher. Thanks for the help!!!! MizzKat ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:02 PM Subject: [VAPATRIC] O.E. Pilson Cemetery Book Dear Mizz Kat, Do you by chance have a copy of O.E. Pilson's cemetery book of Patrick County and some from surrounding counties? I have a copy and can do a look up for you. Who are you interested in or do you just want to know where the cemeteries are located that have Fulchers buried there? I have a cousin in Patrick County that was married to a Fulcher but he died. I don't remember what his given name was but she has two sons and they all still live in Patrick County. I can ask them about the Fulchers and see what they might know. Sincerely, Ol' Pat ==========================================================> From: "Fulcher" <[email protected]> > Date: 2005/03/16 Wed PM 10:00:25 EST > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [VAPATRIC] Fw: Penn family > > By the way, do you happen to know where any of the Fulchers are buried in > Patrick Co.? > > MizzKat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Taylor Martin Jr." <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:30 PM > Subject: Re: [VAPATRIC] Fw: Penn family > > > George W. & Frances "Fannie" Penn Fulcher were my g-g-g-g grandparents also > (via their son Edmond Sr. and then his daughter Elizabeth), but I've done no > research on the Penns thusfar. However, I recently purchased the Pedigos' > History of Patrick & Henry Counties and they devote about 6 pages to the > Penns. > So now I'm really confused.... :) From this book: > > "The first to come to this state was Moses Penn who settled in Caroline > County. His wife was Catherine Taylor, and they were the parents of the > following children: Frances, George, Phillip, Gabriel, Abram, William, and > Moses. Frances Penn married a Rucker and spent her life in Patrick County. > No children survived. Gabriel Penn was a soldier in the Revolutionary War, > and was promoted to Colonel of the Amherst Militia..." > > No other Frances is mentioned in these six pages, although the Gabriel name > gets passed along a few times. > (Abram married Ruth Stovall and had a son Gabriel, but no daughter Frances.) > So which of the other siblings does our Fannie belong to? > And also, for those of you who may have had this book for sometime, how > accurate have you found it to be? > > JohnTaylor > [email protected] > > > > > > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > Patrick Co., Va. List Administrator > Barb Stanley > [email protected] > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05 > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05 > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > Patrick Co., Va. Genealogy (VaGenWeb) > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapatric/ > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== Patrick Co., Va. Genealogy (VaGenWeb) http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapatric/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05

THE GREAT PHILADELPHIA WAGON ROAD Dr. Harry Y. Gamble This famous road began at the Schuylkill River Ferry on the west side of Philadelphia. The Schuylkill rises to the south of Hazelton, near the center of eastern Pennsylvania, and flows southward through Schuylkill Haven, thence to Port Clinton where it is joined by the Little Schuylkill. The larger river then flows south through Reading, then south-eastern through Potstown and Norristown to the southern Philadelphia area where it joins the Delaware. Beginning at Schuylkill River Ferry the road ran west through what is known as the Pennsylvania Dutch County to Lancaster, Pennsylvania, thence to Harris Ferry on the Susquehanna River (midway between Lancaster and York) and on to York, Pennsylvania. The road then moved in a gradual southwestern direction crossing part of what is now Maryland to Williams Ferry on the Potomac River, then stretched southwest across the tip of West Virginia to the beautiful plateau of the Winchester, Virginia area just south of the most eastward thrust of West Virginia. From Winchester the road ran to present day Strasburg where the northern reaches of the Blue Ridge suddenly sprawl eastward as if by natural accommodation to open the mouth of the great valley of Virginia lying between the Appalachian on the west and the Blue Ridge on the east. Much of Highway Rt. 11 running through the Valley follows the bed of the Old Wagon Road. At some points it parallels or intersects the old road. The new Interstate Highway 81 through the Valley runs some distance west of the old road. Entering the beautiful Valley and hugging close to the Blue Ridge the road ran from Strasburg through or near the present day towns of Toms Brook, Woodstock, Edinburg, Mt. Jackson, New Market, Mauzy and through the small and widely scattered hills of the Harrisonburg area, to Mt. Crawford, Weyer�s Cave and Staunton. From Staunton the road ran through the Lexington area to Buchanan where the James River was crossed at Looneys Ferry and where the Appalachian Range makes a southeasterly thrust to touch the Blue Ridge. Moving toward the present site of Roanoke and with deminishing ruggedness of the Blue Ridge permitting more frequent passages of safety to the east, the road turned eastward through the Staunton Gap, then southward crossing the Blackwater, Irvine and Dan Rivers and on to Wachovia, North Carolina on a tributary of the Yadkin River. After about 1756 the road ran on to the Trading Ford on the Yadkin River near present day Salisbury where it intersected other old trails originating in Virginia and leading into the south and southwest from the Trading Ford. <http://www.garstfamily.com/articles/PhilaWagonRoad.htm>http://www.garstfam ily.com/articles/PhilaWagonRoad.htm ---------- At 10:54 PM 3/16/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Mizz Kat, > >My De Hart family came from Amherst County starting about 1795. I think many times families moved together trying to get more or better land or maybe free land grants. Also, my De Harts were in PA and before that in NY so it makes sense that the Penn families came down the Old Wagon Road from PA like my De Hart family did, and then into Amherst Co. I have been told that the Old Wagon Road was just about in the same place that I-81 is now, and that where the intersection of what is now Cloverdale Road and Rt 117, is where the Old Wagon Road took a turn to the left. Some of the people went that way into other counties such as Bedford and Amherst, and the others continued onward into what is now Roanoke and beyond. I don't have any records on this, just talk from meetings I have attended. There is a book on the Old Wagon Road and I thought I had a copy, but cannot find it at the moment. Try your local library to see what they have. > >Ol' Pat

Dear Mizz Kat, Do you by chance have a copy of O.E. Pilson's cemetery book of Patrick County and some from surrounding counties? I have a copy and can do a look up for you. Who are you interested in or do you just want to know where the cemeteries are located that have Fulchers buried there? I have a cousin in Patrick County that was married to a Fulcher but he died. I don't remember what his given name was but she has two sons and they all still live in Patrick County. I can ask them about the Fulchers and see what they might know. Sincerely, Ol' Pat ==========================================================> From: "Fulcher" <[email protected]> > Date: 2005/03/16 Wed PM 10:00:25 EST > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [VAPATRIC] Fw: Penn family > > By the way, do you happen to know where any of the Fulchers are buried in > Patrick Co.? > > MizzKat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Taylor Martin Jr." <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:30 PM > Subject: Re: [VAPATRIC] Fw: Penn family > > > George W. & Frances "Fannie" Penn Fulcher were my g-g-g-g grandparents also > (via their son Edmond Sr. and then his daughter Elizabeth), but I've done no > research on the Penns thusfar. However, I recently purchased the Pedigos' > History of Patrick & Henry Counties and they devote about 6 pages to the > Penns. > So now I'm really confused.... :) From this book: > > "The first to come to this state was Moses Penn who settled in Caroline > County. His wife was Catherine Taylor, and they were the parents of the > following children: Frances, George, Phillip, Gabriel, Abram, William, and > Moses. Frances Penn married a Rucker and spent her life in Patrick County. > No children survived. Gabriel Penn was a soldier in the Revolutionary War, > and was promoted to Colonel of the Amherst Militia..." > > No other Frances is mentioned in these six pages, although the Gabriel name > gets passed along a few times. > (Abram married Ruth Stovall and had a son Gabriel, but no daughter Frances.) > So which of the other siblings does our Fannie belong to? > And also, for those of you who may have had this book for sometime, how > accurate have you found it to be? > > JohnTaylor > [email protected] > > > > > > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > Patrick Co., Va. List Administrator > Barb Stanley > [email protected] > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05 > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05 > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > Patrick Co., Va. Genealogy (VaGenWeb) > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapatric/ > >

Mizz Kat, My De Hart family came from Amherst County starting about 1795. I think many times families moved together trying to get more or better land or maybe free land grants. Also, my De Harts were in PA and before that in NY so it makes sense that the Penn families came down the Old Wagon Road from PA like my De Hart family did, and then into Amherst Co. I have been told that the Old Wagon Road was just about in the same place that I-81 is now, and that where the intersection of what is now Cloverdale Road and Rt 117, is where the Old Wagon Road took a turn to the left. Some of the people went that way into other counties such as Bedford and Amherst, and the others continued onward into what is now Roanoke and beyond. I don't have any records on this, just talk from meetings I have attended. There is a book on the Old Wagon Road and I thought I had a copy, but cannot find it at the moment. Try your local library to see what they have. Ol' Pat ========================================================== > From: "Fulcher" <[email protected]> > Date: 2005/03/16 Wed PM 08:50:58 EST > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [VAPATRIC] Fw: Penn family > > Thanks! It appears that your Ruth Stovall married Abraham Penn, the uncle of > Frances Penn. Apparently, a large part of the Penn family all migrated to > Patrick Co. at the same time. Spouses came along, of course, so that is > apparently how the Fulcher family (our mail line) ended up in Patrick Co. > > By the way, you do know that the Patrick Co. Penn family is a direct part of > "THE" Penn family of Pennsylvania?? They are a really fascinating lot to > research and, if you buy into some of the Penn researchers findings, can trace > their family all the way back to European royalty. (Like I said, though, you > have to buy into some connections that are...iffy.) At the very least, the line > back to William Penn and the founding of Pennsylvania is very well documented > and worth looking at. > > Thanks for the info! > > MizzKat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Truman Adkins" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 6:17 PM > Subject: Re: [VAPATRIC] Fw: Penn family > > > They would have physically moved, Patrick was formed from Henry in 1791 and > Amherst was not part of the mix. I have seen other migration from that > direction to Patrick 1770-1800. I have some Penns thru my Stovall ancestors > who came from Amherst/Campbell Counties about that time. Ruth Stovall was > the daughter of Goerge Stovall and married a Penn, her estate was listed > among the heirs of her brother Joseph Stovall who died about 1845. > > Truman Adkins > Fieldale, Henry County, Virginia > > At 06:06 PM 3/16/05, you wrote: > >A question to anyone researching the PENN family in Patrick Co. (or anyone > >else > >who can answer it...) > > > >On paper, it appears that there was a good sized migration of the Penn family > >from Amherst Co. to Patrick Co. around 1800. Was this due to the family > >physically moving westward or did this "move" occur because of changing county > >lines and new counties being formed. I don't know enough about Virginia > >history > >to know! > > > >I am particularly interested in Frances "Fanny" Penn and her brother, Gabriel > >Penn, among others. Fanny Penn was the wife of my husband's > >g-g-g-g-grandfather, George Fulcher. We are trying to figure out when the > >Fulchers (and the Penns) first came to Patrick Co. > > > >Thanks, > > > >MizzKat > > > > > > > >-- > >No virus found in this outgoing message. > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05 > > > > > >==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > >Patrick Co., Va. List Administrator > >Barb Stanley > >[email protected] > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > Patrick Co., Va. List Administrator > Barb Stanley > [email protected] > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05 > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05 > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > Patrick Co., Va. Genealogy (VaGenWeb) > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapatric/ > >

Go to the following site and click the play button, and you can see how the counties of Virginia evolved: _http://www.segenealogy.com/virginia/va_maps/va_cf.htm_ (http://www.segenealogy.com/virginia/va_maps/va_cf.htm) Amherst County was not an ancestor of Patrick County. Charles

And lets not forget Chinqua-Penn. At 08:50 PM 3/16/05, you wrote: >Thanks! It appears that your Ruth Stovall married Abraham Penn, the uncle of >Frances Penn. Apparently, a large part of the Penn family all migrated to >Patrick Co. at the same time. Spouses came along, of course, so that is >apparently how the Fulcher family (our mail line) ended up in Patrick Co. > >By the way, you do know that the Patrick Co. Penn family is a direct part of >"THE" Penn family of Pennsylvania?? They are a really fascinating lot to >research and, if you buy into some of the Penn researchers findings, can trace >their family all the way back to European royalty. (Like I said, though, you >have to buy into some connections that are...iffy.) At the very least, >the line >back to William Penn and the founding of Pennsylvania is very well documented >and worth looking at. > >Thanks for the info! > >MizzKat > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Truman Adkins" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 6:17 PM >Subject: Re: [VAPATRIC] Fw: Penn family > > >They would have physically moved, Patrick was formed from Henry in 1791 and >Amherst was not part of the mix. I have seen other migration from that >direction to Patrick 1770-1800. I have some Penns thru my Stovall ancestors >who came from Amherst/Campbell Counties about that time. Ruth Stovall was >the daughter of Goerge Stovall and married a Penn, her estate was listed >among the heirs of her brother Joseph Stovall who died about 1845. > >Truman Adkins >Fieldale, Henry County, Virginia > >At 06:06 PM 3/16/05, you wrote: > >A question to anyone researching the PENN family in Patrick Co. (or anyone > >else > >who can answer it...) > > > >On paper, it appears that there was a good sized migration of the Penn > family > >from Amherst Co. to Patrick Co. around 1800. Was this due to the family > >physically moving westward or did this "move" occur because of changing > county > >lines and new counties being formed. I don't know enough about Virginia > >history > >to know! > > > >I am particularly interested in Frances "Fanny" Penn and her brother, > Gabriel > >Penn, among others. Fanny Penn was the wife of my husband's > >g-g-g-g-grandfather, George Fulcher. We are trying to figure out when the > >Fulchers (and the Penns) first came to Patrick Co. > > > >Thanks, > > > >MizzKat > > > > > > > >-- > >No virus found in this outgoing message. > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05 > > > > > >==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > >Patrick Co., Va. List Administrator > >Barb Stanley > >[email protected] > > >==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== >Patrick Co., Va. List Administrator >Barb Stanley >[email protected] > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05 > > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05 > > >==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== >Patrick Co., Va. Genealogy (VaGenWeb) >http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapatric/

George W. & Frances "Fannie" Penn Fulcher were my g-g-g-g grandparents also (via their son Edmond Sr. and then his daughter Elizabeth), but I've done no research on the Penns thusfar. However, I recently purchased the Pedigos' History of Patrick & Henry Counties and they devote about 6 pages to the Penns. So now I'm really confused.... :) From this book: "The first to come to this state was Moses Penn who settled in Caroline County. His wife was Catherine Taylor, and they were the parents of the following children: Frances, George, Phillip, Gabriel, Abram, William, and Moses. Frances Penn married a Rucker and spent her life in Patrick County. No children survived. Gabriel Penn was a soldier in the Revolutionary War, and was promoted to Colonel of the Amherst Militia..." No other Frances is mentioned in these six pages, although the Gabriel name gets passed along a few times. (Abram married Ruth Stovall and had a son Gabriel, but no daughter Frances.) So which of the other siblings does our Fannie belong to? And also, for those of you who may have had this book for sometime, how accurate have you found it to be? JohnTaylor [email protected]

By the way, do you happen to know where any of the Fulchers are buried in Patrick Co.? MizzKat ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Taylor Martin Jr." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [VAPATRIC] Fw: Penn family George W. & Frances "Fannie" Penn Fulcher were my g-g-g-g grandparents also (via their son Edmond Sr. and then his daughter Elizabeth), but I've done no research on the Penns thusfar. However, I recently purchased the Pedigos' History of Patrick & Henry Counties and they devote about 6 pages to the Penns. So now I'm really confused.... :) From this book: "The first to come to this state was Moses Penn who settled in Caroline County. His wife was Catherine Taylor, and they were the parents of the following children: Frances, George, Phillip, Gabriel, Abram, William, and Moses. Frances Penn married a Rucker and spent her life in Patrick County. No children survived. Gabriel Penn was a soldier in the Revolutionary War, and was promoted to Colonel of the Amherst Militia..." No other Frances is mentioned in these six pages, although the Gabriel name gets passed along a few times. (Abram married Ruth Stovall and had a son Gabriel, but no daughter Frances.) So which of the other siblings does our Fannie belong to? And also, for those of you who may have had this book for sometime, how accurate have you found it to be? JohnTaylor [email protected] ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== Patrick Co., Va. List Administrator Barb Stanley [email protected] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05

It is my understanding that "our" Frances "Fanny" Penn is the daughter of Philip Penn, who married Martha Crutcher. Philip Penn was the son of George Penn and Ann Fleming. Moses Penn was George Penn's brother. I guess the rest followed Moses (like the Biblical leader!) out to the promised land of Patrick Co. Both the Penns AND the Fulchers had a bad habit of continually repeating names, like George, for instance, and thus causing alot of confusion for later researchers. My husband is a descendent of George and Fanny Fulcher through their son Hardin by way of his son, Madison P. Fulcher. For a long time, we didn't know for sure WHICH of the Fulcher brothers fathered Madison, because Philip Fulcher and Hardin BOTH had illegitimate children with the same woman. Recently, however, we found a copy of Madison Fulcher's marriage certificate, which names Hardin as his father. Madison married Virginia Ann Lester Shelor, the widow of George Taylor Shelor who died in the Civil War. Madison's son was David Elbert Fulcher of Floyd Co. and his son, Paul Madison Fulcher, Sr. was my husband's grandfather. My husband's father was Paul Madison Fulcher Jr. and my husband is Clay Madison Fulcher (born and raised in Radford, VA) Anyway, I'd love to compare notes on the Fulcher family! Do you have a solid lead on George Fulcher's father? We have the name "John Fulcher" but do not have any documentation for this. Also, we would like to find out how the Virginia Fulchers hook back to the first Fulcher in America, Capt. Thomas Fulcher. The Fulcher clan in North Carolina is somehow related to the Virginia bunch and have documented their line back to Thomas Fulcher. There is a missing link somewhere in there, but we all feel sure the two families are related. Glad to talk to another "cousin!" MizzKat ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Taylor Martin Jr." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [VAPATRIC] Fw: Penn family George W. & Frances "Fannie" Penn Fulcher were my g-g-g-g grandparents also (via their son Edmond Sr. and then his daughter Elizabeth), but I've done no research on the Penns thusfar. However, I recently purchased the Pedigos' History of Patrick & Henry Counties and they devote about 6 pages to the Penns. So now I'm really confused.... :) From this book: "The first to come to this state was Moses Penn who settled in Caroline County. His wife was Catherine Taylor, and they were the parents of the following children: Frances, George, Phillip, Gabriel, Abram, William, and Moses. Frances Penn married a Rucker and spent her life in Patrick County. No children survived. Gabriel Penn was a soldier in the Revolutionary War, and was promoted to Colonel of the Amherst Militia..." No other Frances is mentioned in these six pages, although the Gabriel name gets passed along a few times. (Abram married Ruth Stovall and had a son Gabriel, but no daughter Frances.) So which of the other siblings does our Fannie belong to? And also, for those of you who may have had this book for sometime, how accurate have you found it to be? JohnTaylor [email protected] ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== Patrick Co., Va. List Administrator Barb Stanley [email protected] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05

Thanks! It appears that your Ruth Stovall married Abraham Penn, the uncle of Frances Penn. Apparently, a large part of the Penn family all migrated to Patrick Co. at the same time. Spouses came along, of course, so that is apparently how the Fulcher family (our mail line) ended up in Patrick Co. By the way, you do know that the Patrick Co. Penn family is a direct part of "THE" Penn family of Pennsylvania?? They are a really fascinating lot to research and, if you buy into some of the Penn researchers findings, can trace their family all the way back to European royalty. (Like I said, though, you have to buy into some connections that are...iffy.) At the very least, the line back to William Penn and the founding of Pennsylvania is very well documented and worth looking at. Thanks for the info! MizzKat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Truman Adkins" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [VAPATRIC] Fw: Penn family They would have physically moved, Patrick was formed from Henry in 1791 and Amherst was not part of the mix. I have seen other migration from that direction to Patrick 1770-1800. I have some Penns thru my Stovall ancestors who came from Amherst/Campbell Counties about that time. Ruth Stovall was the daughter of Goerge Stovall and married a Penn, her estate was listed among the heirs of her brother Joseph Stovall who died about 1845. Truman Adkins Fieldale, Henry County, Virginia At 06:06 PM 3/16/05, you wrote: >A question to anyone researching the PENN family in Patrick Co. (or anyone >else >who can answer it...) > >On paper, it appears that there was a good sized migration of the Penn family >from Amherst Co. to Patrick Co. around 1800. Was this due to the family >physically moving westward or did this "move" occur because of changing county >lines and new counties being formed. I don't know enough about Virginia >history >to know! > >I am particularly interested in Frances "Fanny" Penn and her brother, Gabriel >Penn, among others. Fanny Penn was the wife of my husband's >g-g-g-g-grandfather, George Fulcher. We are trying to figure out when the >Fulchers (and the Penns) first came to Patrick Co. > >Thanks, > >MizzKat > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05 > > >==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== >Patrick Co., Va. List Administrator >Barb Stanley >[email protected] ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== Patrick Co., Va. List Administrator Barb Stanley [email protected] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05

Hello Randy Crouse. I have a friend who is looking for his ancestors, last name "Crouse". Sometimes middle names are a maternal indication, any help ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Crouse McNew" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 6:47 PM Subject: RE: [VAPATRIC] George Fulcher > > > A George Fulcher was listed on the 1790 Henry County Personal Property Tax > List. See the image at Binns Genealogy Web site ... > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~ysbinns/vataxlists/index.htm > > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > Patrick Co., Va. List Administrator > Barb Stanley > [email protected] > >

They would have physically moved, Patrick was formed from Henry in 1791 and Amherst was not part of the mix. I have seen other migration from that direction to Patrick 1770-1800. I have some Penns thru my Stovall ancestors who came from Amherst/Campbell Counties about that time. Ruth Stovall was the daughter of Goerge Stovall and married a Penn, her estate was listed among the heirs of her brother Joseph Stovall who died about 1845. Truman Adkins Fieldale, Henry County, Virginia At 06:06 PM 3/16/05, you wrote: >A question to anyone researching the PENN family in Patrick Co. (or anyone >else >who can answer it...) > >On paper, it appears that there was a good sized migration of the Penn family >from Amherst Co. to Patrick Co. around 1800. Was this due to the family >physically moving westward or did this "move" occur because of changing county >lines and new counties being formed. I don't know enough about Virginia >history >to know! > >I am particularly interested in Frances "Fanny" Penn and her brother, Gabriel >Penn, among others. Fanny Penn was the wife of my husband's >g-g-g-g-grandfather, George Fulcher. We are trying to figure out when the >Fulchers (and the Penns) first came to Patrick Co. > >Thanks, > >MizzKat > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05 > > >==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== >Patrick Co., Va. List Administrator >Barb Stanley >[email protected]

A George Fulcher was listed on the 1790 Henry County Personal Property Tax List. See the image at Binns Genealogy Web site ... http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~ysbinns/vataxlists/index.htm

A question to anyone researching the PENN family in Patrick Co. (or anyone else who can answer it...) On paper, it appears that there was a good sized migration of the Penn family from Amherst Co. to Patrick Co. around 1800. Was this due to the family physically moving westward or did this "move" occur because of changing county lines and new counties being formed. I don't know enough about Virginia history to know! I am particularly interested in Frances "Fanny" Penn and her brother, Gabriel Penn, among others. Fanny Penn was the wife of my husband's g-g-g-g-grandfather, George Fulcher. We are trying to figure out when the Fulchers (and the Penns) first came to Patrick Co. Thanks, MizzKat -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05

Does anyone have information about the family/parents of James Conner who married Keziah Ross? I know that she was a daughter of Daniel Ross. This Conner family is of interest. I think the mother of James was Lucy Fox Robertson. Any information will be appreciated about the Conner's and Robertson's. Thank you. Mary

Just wanted to invite everyone down to our meeting tonight at 6:30 at the Stuart Baptist Church Fellowship Hall located on Blue Ridge Street in Stuart where Crystal Wood will talk about Quilting in Patrick County. She will discuss how quilts are made, how they are an heirloom and an art, and the different patterns of quilting. Quilting bees used to be a familiar scene in Patrick County. If you are a quilter, come join us. BRING YOUR QUILTS! This meeting is free and open to everyone. Alpha Hiatt, Vice President Patrick County Genealogy Society __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

We've had to switch our April & May Programs. Here's the new corrected calendar. I have had some requests about membership, just e-mail me for more information. PATRICK COUNTY GENEALOGY SOCIETY CALENDAR 2005 JANUARY 18, J. E. B. STUART�s LAST RIDE: THE BATTLE OF YELLOW TAVERN, lecture and slide program commemorating the 140th Anniversary of the battle that took Stuart�s life. Presented by Tom Perry. FEBRUARY 15, WAGON ROADS. Sally Burns will present a program on the mode of transportation our ancestors used, the wagon roads and in particularly the wagon roads of Henry County including the Carolina Road (Tutelo Saura Path, Iroquois War Trail) many of which our ancestors would have traveled during their lifetime. MARCH 15, QUILTING. Crystal Woods will present a wonderful program on Quilting in Patrick County. Learn how quilts are made and the beautiful stories they have behind them and how Quilting has also become an art. Feel free to bring your quilts to this meeting. APRIL 19, LAWSON FAMILY TRAGEDY. Esther Johnson and Patrick Boyles will present a program on the Christmas Eve Tragedy of the Lawson Family that occurred in neighboring Stokes County of which there are Patrick County descendants. MAY 17, �THE NIGHT THEY DROVE OLD DIXIE DOWN,� GEORGE STONEMAN�S 1865 RAID THROUGH NORTH CAROLINA AND VIRGINIA. A talk by Civil War Historian Thomas D. Pery on the March thru May 1865 raid by George Stoneman�s 5000 calvary, which was the only Union activity in our area 140 years ago at the end of the Civil War. JUNE 21, PATRICK COUNTY POSTCARDS. Marvin Keene, a member of the Reynolds Homestead Postcard Club will do a program on Patrick County Postcards. Bring your Patrick County Postcards and let�s take a walk back in time in Patrick County�s history. JULY 19, PATRICK COUNTY HONOR GUARD. Come and celebrate our country�s freedom with this program on Patriotism. AUGUST 16, CREATIVE MEMORIES SCRAPBOOKING. Alicia Tiller will present a program on scrapbooking and proper care of your photographs. SEPTEMBER 20, BEGINNING GENEALOGY MINIWORKSHOP. Want to do your family tree but don�t have a clue where to start? Esther Johnson will discuss researching courthouse documents, family documents, funeral home records, online records, etc. OCTOBER 18, JESUS CHRIST CHURCH OF LATTER DAY SAINTS ON HOW TO DO ORAL HISTORIES. Harry & Judy Roy will present a program on how to sit down and talk with people to record what they have to save in order to preserve these stories for future generations. NOVEMBER 15, SHARING MEETING. Covered dish meal beginning at 6:00 p.m. followed by family tree swap. Bring your photo albums, family trees, books, etc to this meeting. The Patrick County Genealogy Society meets the 3rd Tuesday of each month at 6:30 p.m. except the November meeting at Stuart Baptist Church. These meetings are FREE and everyone is invited. For more information, call 276-251-8356, or email [email protected], or [email protected] __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

After a special request from a highly decorated veteran, we are changing the word limit for the caption for the Patrick County WWII Pictorial Book to 50 words. Remember, you can put a picture of a WWII Veteran in this book along with his rank, company, name, where did he serve, what medals did he receive, etc. No limit on how many pictures can you submit. You can also submit pictures of pocket bibles, letters and postcards back home, pictures vets took while they were overseas, pictures of their medals, lapels, ration books, etc. Also pictures of efforts on the homefront. For more information, contact myself via e-mail, or via mail David Sheley, 4522 Dobyns Rd., Stuart VA 24171. Alpha Hiatt, Vice President Patrick County Genealogy Society __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

We are now taking names and addresses for Patrick County Heritage Book Volume 1 Reorder. And yes, we finally have enough names for a reorder. If anyone is interested, e-mail me back with your mailing address and I'll gladly put you on the reorder list. Also check out our new Patrick County Heritage Book Volume 2 Website. It is: www.myvirginiaheritage.com/heritage_books/patrick_county2.htm You can download the brochure directly from this website. We have some new topics in the topical section this time including the following: Veterans - 100 word story & 1 picture free----from Revolutionary War to current Iraqi Freedom (doesn't matter whether they served in war or not) Agriculture - anything ag related including farm implements, poultry, swine, sheep, beef & dairy cattle farming, beekeeping, pumpkins, apple & peach orchards, strawberries, blueberries, vineyards, tobacco barns, tobacco curing, growing of tobacco, growing of fodder, wheat, silos, barns, just anything at all related to agriculture including work horses and mules, drag hearths, traces, etc. Music - All Patrick County Musical Groups and instrument making Old Homes - old cabins, the old homes with the breezeways---tell us who built these, when, out of what materials, where did the materials come from, who lived there, where were (are) they located For more information, check out our website above, or e-mail me. I'll be glad to mail anyone a brochure if you would like one. Alpha Hiatt, Chairman Patrick County Heritage Book Volumes 1 & 2 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs