I am interested in an order of Patrick County Vol. II when finished. I have a write-up on Mariam Wickham Shelor, mother of John Shelor of Patrick Co,who married Nancy Howell, if you are still taking articles. If so, I will mail it to you. Although she lived first in Maryland, then Floyd, VA, she is the 2nd or 3rd great grandmother of quite a number of Meadows of Dan, Patrick County people including Mary Elizabeth Shelor Wood, Leslie Shelor and most of all the Shelors of Patrick County. What do you say? And, what is the price of the Patrick County Vol II Book? Wilma Lawson Padgett Born in Patrick County, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alpha Hiatt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:01 PM Subject: [VAPATRIC] Patrick County Heritage Book Volumes 1 & 2 > We are now taking names and addresses for Patrick > County Heritage Book Volume 1 Reorder. And yes, we > finally have enough names for a reorder. If anyone is > interested, e-mail me back with your mailing address > and I'll gladly put you on the reorder list. > > Also check out our new Patrick County Heritage Book > Volume 2 Website. It is: > > www.myvirginiaheritage.com/heritage_books/patrick_county2.htm > > You can download the brochure directly from this > website. > > We have some new topics in the topical section this > time including the following: > > Veterans - 100 word story & 1 picture free----from > Revolutionary War to current Iraqi Freedom (doesn't > matter whether they served in war or not) > Agriculture - anything ag related including farm > implements, poultry, swine, sheep, beef & dairy cattle > farming, beekeeping, pumpkins, apple & peach orchards, > strawberries, blueberries, vineyards, tobacco barns, > tobacco curing, growing of tobacco, growing of fodder, > wheat, silos, barns, just anything at all related to > agriculture including work horses and mules, drag > hearths, traces, etc. > Music - All Patrick County Musical Groups and > instrument making > Old Homes - old cabins, the old homes with the > breezeways---tell us who built these, when, out of > what materials, where did the materials come from, who > lived there, where were (are) they located > > For more information, check out our website above, or > e-mail me. I'll be glad to mail anyone a brochure if > you would like one. > > Alpha Hiatt, Chairman > Patrick County Heritage Book Volumes 1 & 2 > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Make Yahoo! your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > Patrick Co., Va. List Administrator > Barb Stanley > [email protected] > >

Through some diligent research, I found the information I needed regarding the court case of John Boyd and James Boyd. In a nutshell, they were both accused of murdering John Vaughn (an), a free black in Patrick County. James Boyd�s case was dismissed but John�s continued for several years. The murder took place on May 23, 1861 and the decision of the Patrick County Circuit court was April 13, 1866 � not guilty of the charge. Here listed are the names of residents and dates mentioned in the 5 year long court case and their participation. 8 June 1861 � Patrick County Court Justice of the Peace: Martin Cloud � issued arrest warrant for John and James Boyd Sheriff/Jailor: Murry TURNER Gentlemen Justices: Asa Wood, Jesse CORN, James JOYCE, John NOEL and Joseph FRANCE Witnesses for the Defense: James SOYARS and Nicholas SOYARS Witnesses for the Prosecution: Eli HIATT, James PORTIS and Jesse JOHNSON 25 June 1861 Sheriff/Jailor: Murry TURNER Sureties for Boyd: G. H. ASHWORTH and William LAWSON Sureties for Samuel Vaughn: M. W. Fleming, C. P. Montgomery, J. r. Gilbert, Samuel GILBERT and Rufus Turner Gentlemen Justices: Jesse CORN, H.B. TERRY, C.E. DAVIS, J.H. BRAMMER, Asa WOOD 14 April 1862 � Patrick County Circuit Court Court Judge: G. (Gustavus) A. WINGFIELD Sureties for Boyd: Martin STAPLES and John CLARK Witness for the Prosecution: Martin CLOUD 12 September 1862 Court Judge: G. (Gustavus) A. WINGFIELD Attorney for Commonwealth: John T. WOOTTON Sheriff & Jailor: Murry TURNER Sureties for Boyd: Crawford TURNER and Samuel G. STAPLES 14 April 1863 Court Judge: G. (Gustavus) A. WINGFIELD Sureties for Boyd: Martin STAPLES and Thomas M. CLARK Witness for the Prosecution: James PORTIS, Private 15 September 1863 Court Judge: G. (Gustavus) A. WINGFIELD Attorney for Commonwealth: Daniel A. ROBERTSON Sheriff: Murry TURNER Jailor: L. G. RUCKER 12 April 1864 Court Judge: G. (Gustavus) A. WINGFIELD Attorney for Commonwealth: John W. SHELTON Sheriff & Jailor: Murry TURNER Sureties: Abram STAPLES and Murry TURNER Witness for the Defense: James BOYD Witness for the Prosecution: Milton MONTGOMERY and Eli HIATT Material Witness for the Prosecution: James PORTIS (Private in Major J. R. ROBERTSON�s battalion: at the time of this request, they both belonged to the 42nd Battalion Virginia Cavalry in September 1863, formerly 32nd Cavalry that served in the Department of Richmond.) 12 September 1864 Court Judge: G. (Gustavus) A. WINGFIELD Attorney for Commonwealth: Daniel A. ROBERTSON Sheriff & Jailor: Murry TURNER Sureties: Crawford TURNER and Murry TURNER Witnesses: Martin CLOUD and Eli HIATT and Milton MONTGOMERY Nothing written for the year 1865 13 April 1866 Court Judge: G. (Gustavus) A. WINGFIELD Jury Panel: D. Lee ROSS, Greenville HANCOCK, J. H. BRAMMER, John C. HALL, Alfred ELGIN, William TOWNLY, James A. INGRAM, C.C. RATLIFF, Lee BALISLE, Alexander RAKES, J.C. HOUCHINS and William PILSON. Cynthia A. Wilson Seattle, WA --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page

REMINDER - March 19, 2005 Floyd, Franklin and Patrick Counties Researchers Picnic in 3 months FOR MORE DETAILS SEE <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~barbs/picnic_2005.html>http://fre epages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~barbs/picnic_2005.html THEME "The Greatest Generation of Floyd, Franklin and Patrick Counties, VA PLACE Zion Lutheran Church, Floyd, Va DATE Saturday, June 25, 2005 TIME 10:00 A.M. - 4:00 P.M. MEAL Prayer will be given by the Reverend James Underwood from Roanoke. Food Potluck CRAFTS and OTHER THINGS Marie Spangler and her hand-made porcelain dolls dressed in period clothes. Jack Spangler's hand-made doll furniture Charles Spangler and his wonderful hand-made dulcimers Bluegrass music by Temple and Daniel Garrison Charlene Wheeler with Creative Memories Scrapbooks Genealogy related books, prints, postcards and maps Carolyn Hale Bruce will put together a booklet of stories and pictures Wes Poff digital camera and picture printer Drawings for Prizes Table banners SPEAKER Effie King Brown, President Emeritus of The Floyd County Historical Society FOR MORE DETAILS SEE http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~barbs/picnic_2005.html Barb S. List Administrator

If I'm reading this right, Lucy Granville Penn would have been about 67, 69, and 71 years old when her children Joseph, John and Moses were born. That's gotta be some kind of record! :) John Taylor > Descendants of William Penn > 1 William Penn b: 1608 in Minety, England > > .. +Elizabeth Markham b: Abt. 1628 > > ..... 2 John Penn b: 1650 d: 1721 in Westmoreland, VA > > ......... +Lucy Granville b: Abt. 1650 > > ............ 3 George Penn b: Abt. 1690 d: Abt. 1749 > > ................ +Ann Fleming > > ................... 4 Frances Penn b: January 09, 1734/35 in Caroline, VA > d: > 1812 > > ................... 4 George Penn b: December 12, 1737 in Caroline, VA d: > February 05, 1790 in Amherst, VA > > ................... 4 Phillip Penn b: June 27, 1739 in Caroline, VA d: > 1806 > in Patrick, VA > > ....................... +Martha Crutcher > > ................... 4 Gabriel Fleming Penn b: July 17, 1741 in Caroline, > VA > d: 1798 in Amherst, VA > > ................... 4 Abraham Penn b: December 27, 1743 d: 1801 in > Amherst, > VA > > ....................... +Ruth Stovall > > ................... 4 William Penn b: April 07, 1745 in Caroline, VA d: > 1777 > in Amherst, VA > > ................... 4 Moses Jr Penn b: January 13, 1747/48 in Caroline, VA > d: Aft. August 1774 in Amherst, VA > > ............ 3 Joseph Penn b: November 17, 1717 in VA d: 1763 in Virginia > > ................ +Mary Taylor > > ............ *2nd Wife of Joseph Penn: > > ................ +Elizabeth > > ............ 3 John Penn b: Abt. 1719 in VA d: 1741 > > ............ 3 Moses Penn b: Abt. 1721 in VA d: 1759 > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > Patrick Co., Va. Genealogy (VaGenWeb) > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapatric/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05 > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05 > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > Patrick Co., Va. Genealogy (VaGenWeb) > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapatric/ >

Anyone on this list a descendant of Murry Vivian Agee? Barb S.

John Taylor Martin Jr. wrote: > The death record of Nancy Nowlin (as transcribed by Eunice Kirkman) > shows: > > Fulcher, Nancy > Race & Sex: W/F > Age: 66 > Date: 6 Nov 1874 > Location: No. Mayo > Cause: Pleurisy > Parents: Franklin and Sally Nowlin > Consort: Ed Fulcher > Informant: John Fulcher > Relationship: Son > > Eunice lists a total of 20 Fulchers who have Patrick County Death > Records between 1870 and 1896, but Ed, Edmond or Edmund is not among > them. He does show up in the 1880 census, 78 yrs old and living > alone. I have recorded in FTM a death date of "abt 1890", but I > neglected to record why I put that date in (doh!). I'll have to do > some digging through my "stuff" to see where I came up with that. > > Another death record that may be of interest to you is that of one of > Hardin's sons. > Fulcher, Henry > Race and Sex: W/M > Age: 14 > Date: 26 Dec 1873 > Location: So. Mayo > Cause: Fever > Parents: Luvenia & Harden Fulcher > Informant: Jack Craig > Relationship: Unrelated > The 1870 census shows Henry at the age of 11 living with Robert D. > Craig and his wife and father John Craig. > His occupation is listed as laborer. I'm assuming that the father John > Craig is the Jack that reported his death. > > One further note on Nancy Nowlin Fulcher: While rummaging through > stacks and stacks at the Patrick County Historical Library last > November, I ran across a transcribed copy of the will of Nancy's > father, Francis Nowlin. It was while there that I learned about > Genweb. I later discovered that the will is also posted in the > archives. If you don't have it already, you can find it at: > http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/patrick/wills/nowlin1.txt > > Do you have any other children recorded for George and Fanny besides > Edmond and Hardin? > > John Taylor > >> A question about Edmond Fulcher Sr. and his wife, Nancy Nowlen: the >> records I >> received from a cousin showed Edmond's date of death to be Nov. 6, >> 1874. The >> interesting thing, however, is that these records showed the same >> date for the >> death of Nancy! Is this a misprint or did they both die on the same >> day?? > > I have 2 Edmund Fulcher's , Edmund Sr. . 1800 Patrick Co., VA m. > Nancy Nowlin on 8 Aug 1826 in Patrick Co., VA. Dates are from 1850 > Census Edmund Fulcher Jr.b. 1831 in Patrick Co., VA. Other children of Edmund Sr. are: Gabriel b. 1834 George b. 1837 Spencer b. 1837 William b. 1838 Albert b. 1839 Peter W. b. 1844 Jane b. 1845 Hope this is your family, and it will help! Morris in MD > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > Patrick Co., Va. Genealogy (VaGenWeb) > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapatric/ > > > >

In response to a subscriber requesting a site that shows the correct "Formation of Virginia's Counties," access "VaGenWeb" and scroll down to subject. Freddie Spradlin has both the order dates and the formation dates correctly shown, and he is to be applauded for correcting many mistakes there were formerly shown therein.

> Edmund Spencer Aha! I didn't have Spencer as Edmond's middle name. Do you know what connection the Fulchers have to the Spencers? In the 1850 census, Edmond's son John is living with a Spencer family: 78 85 Spencer Martin m/33 VA Farmer $1,000 Mary f/30 VA John m/10 VA William H. m/7 VA Preston m/4 VA Creed F. m/2 VA Walter S. m/12-Jan VA Johnson John W. m/30 VA Carpenter $150 Fulcher John m/21 VA Laborer John Taylor

My records show that Gabriel Penn of Penn's Store[son of Greensville Penn and Anna Leath Penn] married Susan Lee France[daughter of William France and Harriet Harrison ; grandaughter of Richard and Suzannah Lee Harrison;and great grandaughter of Ambrose Lee].See "History of Patrick and Henry Counties,Virginia"by Pedigo,page 133.

The death record of Nancy Nowlin (as transcribed by Eunice Kirkman) shows: Fulcher, Nancy Race & Sex: W/F Age: 66 Date: 6 Nov 1874 Location: No. Mayo Cause: Pleurisy Parents: Franklin and Sally Nowlin Consort: Ed Fulcher Informant: John Fulcher Relationship: Son Eunice lists a total of 20 Fulchers who have Patrick County Death Records between 1870 and 1896, but Ed, Edmond or Edmund is not among them. He does show up in the 1880 census, 78 yrs old and living alone. I have recorded in FTM a death date of "abt 1890", but I neglected to record why I put that date in (doh!). I'll have to do some digging through my "stuff" to see where I came up with that. Another death record that may be of interest to you is that of one of Hardin's sons. Fulcher, Henry Race and Sex: W/M Age: 14 Date: 26 Dec 1873 Location: So. Mayo Cause: Fever Parents: Luvenia & Harden Fulcher Informant: Jack Craig Relationship: Unrelated The 1870 census shows Henry at the age of 11 living with Robert D. Craig and his wife and father John Craig. His occupation is listed as laborer. I'm assuming that the father John Craig is the Jack that reported his death. One further note on Nancy Nowlin Fulcher: While rummaging through stacks and stacks at the Patrick County Historical Library last November, I ran across a transcribed copy of the will of Nancy's father, Francis Nowlin. It was while there that I learned about Genweb. I later discovered that the will is also posted in the archives. If you don't have it already, you can find it at: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/patrick/wills/nowlin1.txt Do you have any other children recorded for George and Fanny besides Edmond and Hardin? John Taylor >A question about Edmond Fulcher Sr. and his wife, Nancy Nowlen: the >records I > received from a cousin showed Edmond's date of death to be Nov. 6, 1874. > The > interesting thing, however, is that these records showed the same date for > the > death of Nancy! Is this a misprint or did they both die on the same day??

My records show that Gabriel Penn[son of Greensville Penn and Anna Leath Penn] married Susan Lee France[daughter of Carter Harrison France and Catherine Penn France,and great-grandaughter of Ambrose Lee]...Also see"History of Patrick and Henry Counties,Virginia"by Pedigo page 133......

Thanks for the info on Edmund. I figured the death date I had was probably a misprint. The children I have for George and Fanny Fulcher are: Edmund Spencer George William Hardin Phillip James An interesting fact about Phillip and Hardin was that they named some of their legitimate children the SAME names as the apparently illegitimate ones they had with a woman known only as "Missouri Fulcher." Neither brother ever married this woman, but we know that at least two of her children were Hardin's and several are attributed to Philip! By 1850, Missouri (aka Zurah, Zenie, Masoria...) had moved on to Montgomery Co., but she somehow kept having Fulcher children, though no adult male is ever listed in her household on subsequent census reports! Sordid stuff! Kat ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Taylor Martin Jr." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 8:44 PM Subject: [VAPATRIC] Re: Edmond Fulcher and Nancy Nowlin (was) Penn family The death record of Nancy Nowlin (as transcribed by Eunice Kirkman) shows: Fulcher, Nancy Race & Sex: W/F Age: 66 Date: 6 Nov 1874 Location: No. Mayo Cause: Pleurisy Parents: Franklin and Sally Nowlin Consort: Ed Fulcher Informant: John Fulcher Relationship: Son Eunice lists a total of 20 Fulchers who have Patrick County Death Records between 1870 and 1896, but Ed, Edmond or Edmund is not among them. He does show up in the 1880 census, 78 yrs old and living alone. I have recorded in FTM a death date of "abt 1890", but I neglected to record why I put that date in (doh!). I'll have to do some digging through my "stuff" to see where I came up with that. Another death record that may be of interest to you is that of one of Hardin's sons. Fulcher, Henry Race and Sex: W/M Age: 14 Date: 26 Dec 1873 Location: So. Mayo Cause: Fever Parents: Luvenia & Harden Fulcher Informant: Jack Craig Relationship: Unrelated The 1870 census shows Henry at the age of 11 living with Robert D. Craig and his wife and father John Craig. His occupation is listed as laborer. I'm assuming that the father John Craig is the Jack that reported his death. One further note on Nancy Nowlin Fulcher: While rummaging through stacks and stacks at the Patrick County Historical Library last November, I ran across a transcribed copy of the will of Nancy's father, Francis Nowlin. It was while there that I learned about Genweb. I later discovered that the will is also posted in the archives. If you don't have it already, you can find it at: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/patrick/wills/nowlin1.txt Do you have any other children recorded for George and Fanny besides Edmond and Hardin? John Taylor >A question about Edmond Fulcher Sr. and his wife, Nancy Nowlen: the >records I > received from a cousin showed Edmond's date of death to be Nov. 6, 1874. > The > interesting thing, however, is that these records showed the same date for > the > death of Nancy! Is this a misprint or did they both die on the same day?? ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== Patrick Co., Va. Genealogy (VaGenWeb) http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapatric/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05

Let's see if I can explain this one without getting myself too twisted around... The William Penn who married Elizabeth Markham, was the grandson of ANOTHER William Penn (who married Margaret Rasthall of Glouchestershire, England.) One of THIS William Penn's sons, Giles Penn, was the grandfather of THE William Penn, of Pennsylvania fame. I'm not exactly sure how many cousins removed William Penn (married to Elizabeth Markham) and William Penn (of Pennsylvania) are for sure, but if I read it right, (and this is confusing...) the first one's grandfather was the great-grandfather of the second. Yikes...it will make your head spin! In any event, our Patrick Co. Penns are definitely related to the most well known Penn and to the state itself. This is all presuming, however, that everything in the lineage below is absolutely true. Through George Penn and Anne Flemming, this is pretty well documented and can be counted on...BUT, there are some researchers who question the link at John Penn and Lucy Granville. There are others who feel comfortable with this. It seems to be sort of 50-50 with Penn researchers. I personally have this lineage written down in my records, but with the understanding that it could one day be proven incorrect. I actually HOPE it is correct because it is through this direction that the Penns claim heritage back to European royalty. Through Lucy Granville, there is a pretty well documented trail back to the Plantagenet family of British royalty. From there, you can basically connect back to every ruling house in Europe. The Spanish even claim to be able to trace all the way back to Mohammed! It gets pretty wild! (But it's fun to dream...) The whole thing hinges on poor Lucy Granville, though, so it would be nice to have more concrete proof before we start asking folks to call us "your highnesses!" MizzKat ----- Original Message ----- From: "swarren2" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:41 PM Subject: [VAPATRIC] Penn Family My Ancestor was Philip Penn born 1739 Descendants of William Penn 1 William Penn b: 1608 in Minety, England .. +Elizabeth Markham b: Abt. 1628 ..... 2 John Penn b: 1650 d: 1721 in Westmoreland, VA ......... +Lucy Granville b: Abt. 1650 ............ 3 George Penn b: Abt. 1690 d: Abt. 1749 ................ +Ann Fleming ................... 4 Frances Penn b: January 09, 1734/35 in Caroline, VA d: 1812 ................... 4 George Penn b: December 12, 1737 in Caroline, VA d: February 05, 1790 in Amherst, VA ................... 4 Phillip Penn b: June 27, 1739 in Caroline, VA d: 1806 in Patrick, VA ....................... +Martha Crutcher ................... 4 Gabriel Fleming Penn b: July 17, 1741 in Caroline, VA d: 1798 in Amherst, VA ................... 4 Abraham Penn b: December 27, 1743 d: 1801 in Amherst, VA ....................... +Ruth Stovall ................... 4 William Penn b: April 07, 1745 in Caroline, VA d: 1777 in Amherst, VA ................... 4 Moses Jr Penn b: January 13, 1747/48 in Caroline, VA d: Aft. August 1774 in Amherst, VA ............ 3 Joseph Penn b: November 17, 1717 in VA d: 1763 in Virginia ................ +Mary Taylor ............ *2nd Wife of Joseph Penn: ................ +Elizabeth ............ 3 John Penn b: Abt. 1719 in VA d: 1741 ............ 3 Moses Penn b: Abt. 1721 in VA d: 1759 ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== Patrick Co., Va. Genealogy (VaGenWeb) http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapatric/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05

My Ancestor was Philip Penn born 1739 Descendants of William Penn 1 William Penn b: 1608 in Minety, England .. +Elizabeth Markham b: Abt. 1628 ..... 2 John Penn b: 1650 d: 1721 in Westmoreland, VA ......... +Lucy Granville b: Abt. 1650 ............ 3 George Penn b: Abt. 1690 d: Abt. 1749 ................ +Ann Fleming ................... 4 Frances Penn b: January 09, 1734/35 in Caroline, VA d: 1812 ................... 4 George Penn b: December 12, 1737 in Caroline, VA d: February 05, 1790 in Amherst, VA ................... 4 Phillip Penn b: June 27, 1739 in Caroline, VA d: 1806 in Patrick, VA ....................... +Martha Crutcher ................... 4 Gabriel Fleming Penn b: July 17, 1741 in Caroline, VA d: 1798 in Amherst, VA ................... 4 Abraham Penn b: December 27, 1743 d: 1801 in Amherst, VA ....................... +Ruth Stovall ................... 4 William Penn b: April 07, 1745 in Caroline, VA d: 1777 in Amherst, VA ................... 4 Moses Jr Penn b: January 13, 1747/48 in Caroline, VA d: Aft. August 1774 in Amherst, VA ............ 3 Joseph Penn b: November 17, 1717 in VA d: 1763 in Virginia ................ +Mary Taylor ............ *2nd Wife of Joseph Penn: ................ +Elizabeth ............ 3 John Penn b: Abt. 1719 in VA d: 1741 ............ 3 Moses Penn b: Abt. 1721 in VA d: 1759

http://www.pennsstore.com/history/gene.htm http://www.tantrem.com/jpenn/pafn04.htm http://members.aol.com/pennroots/homepage.html Look for GEDCOM http://members.aol.com/pennroots/database.html (Rita Hand) William Penn founder of Pennsylvania did not have any male offspring who survived to have children.

In reference to a posting on this site, copied and pasted below, many of the dates and events shown on the 'url' are incorrect. One example shows that Powhatan County, Virginia was formed in 1777 from Cumberland and Chesterfield Counties. Cumberland is correct. Chesterfield County is incorrect. A very small portion of Chesterfield County was annexed to Powhatan County in the 1849-50 time period. There are quite a few other errors on the site, many showing the order dates of county formations, not the dates that the counties were actually formed. It appears the person or persons putting together the site used incorrect sources, whereas the Library of Virginia would have been the appropriate source to use. COPIED AND PASTED FROM PATRICK COUNTY, VIRGINIA SITE: Subject: Re: [VAPATRIC] Fw: Penn family Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:42:10 EST From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Go to the following site and click the play button, and you can see how the counties of Virginia evolved: _http://www.segenealogy.com/virginia/va_maps/va_cf.htm_ (http://www.segenealogy.com/virginia/va_maps/va_cf.htm)

Is there a specific site that you DO recommend to learn about the development of various Virginia counties? I didn't grow up in VA and my history of the state is weak. I'd really like to learn more. MizzKat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Ryan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:47 PM Subject: [VAPATRIC] BEWARE OF ERRORS In reference to a posting on this site, copied and pasted below, many of the dates and events shown on the 'url' are incorrect. One example shows that Powhatan County, Virginia was formed in 1777 from Cumberland and Chesterfield Counties. Cumberland is correct. Chesterfield County is incorrect. A very small portion of Chesterfield County was annexed to Powhatan County in the 1849-50 time period. There are quite a few other errors on the site, many showing the order dates of county formations, not the dates that the counties were actually formed. It appears the person or persons putting together the site used incorrect sources, whereas the Library of Virginia would have been the appropriate source to use. COPIED AND PASTED FROM PATRICK COUNTY, VIRGINIA SITE: Subject: Re: [VAPATRIC] Fw: Penn family Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:42:10 EST From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Go to the following site and click the play button, and you can see how the counties of Virginia evolved: _http://www.segenealogy.com/virginia/va_maps/va_cf.htm_ (http://www.segenealogy.com/virginia/va_maps/va_cf.htm) ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== Patrick Co., Va. Genealogy (VaGenWeb) http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapatric/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05

A question about Edmond Fulcher Sr. and his wife, Nancy Nowlen: the records I received from a cousin showed Edmond's date of death to be Nov. 6, 1874. The interesting thing, however, is that these records showed the same date for the death of Nancy! Is this a misprint or did they both die on the same day?? Kat ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Taylor Martin Jr." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [VAPATRIC] Fw: Penn family George W. & Frances "Fannie" Penn Fulcher were my g-g-g-g grandparents also (via their son Edmond Sr. and then his daughter Elizabeth), but I've done no research on the Penns thusfar. However, I recently purchased the Pedigos' History of Patrick & Henry Counties and they devote about 6 pages to the Penns. So now I'm really confused.... :) From this book: "The first to come to this state was Moses Penn who settled in Caroline County. His wife was Catherine Taylor, and they were the parents of the following children: Frances, George, Phillip, Gabriel, Abram, William, and Moses. Frances Penn married a Rucker and spent her life in Patrick County. No children survived. Gabriel Penn was a soldier in the Revolutionary War, and was promoted to Colonel of the Amherst Militia..." No other Frances is mentioned in these six pages, although the Gabriel name gets passed along a few times. (Abram married Ruth Stovall and had a son Gabriel, but no daughter Frances.) So which of the other siblings does our Fannie belong to? And also, for those of you who may have had this book for sometime, how accurate have you found it to be? JohnTaylor [email protected] ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== Patrick Co., Va. List Administrator Barb Stanley [email protected] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05

I believe this is definitely "my" George Fulcher, husband of Frances Penn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Crouse McNew" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 6:47 PM Subject: RE: [VAPATRIC] George Fulcher A George Fulcher was listed on the 1790 Henry County Personal Property Tax List. See the image at Binns Genealogy Web site ... http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~ysbinns/vataxlists/index.htm ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== Patrick Co., Va. List Administrator Barb Stanley [email protected] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05

Another book on the subject is The Great Wagon Road from Philadelphia to the South, by Parke Rouse, Jr. (New York: McGraw-Hill, 1973), still widely available in paperback. Karen Stuart