Good Morning All You People! It's about time for us to start getting an approximate count of the people who will be coming to the picnic this year. Allison has a lot planned and we hope you all will be able to come. I need to know about how many each person will be bringing - doesn't have to be an exact count - we always plan for extra's. Please e-mail me privately at: [email protected] If you are new to the List and don't know about the Researcher's Picnic 2005 please read about it at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~barbs/picnic_2005.html Thanks, Barb S. List Granny

>If it is the history book, why privately?.. We would like to know... >Also I am a list administrator and if it is genealogy related, I see no  >problem..  I have seen the info on many lists when it pertains to  >genealogy/research..    I know it is accepted by others as well  as myself. > >Ellie S. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- First - one of the Mailing List Administrators Rules and Responsibilities  states “You are required to Determine the guidelines for your list. “ There are many  things that go on, concerning the List,  that you all do not know about - e-mail I receive privately, suggestions, complaints etc. When I set the guidelines for this List, I take all of this into consideration. One of the guidelines that I feel is necessary for this List,  for the other 7  Lists for which I am the administrator and for the 14 Message Boards for which I am the administrator, is that prices will not be allowed. I have expressed to the Heritage Book Committee that they are welcome to post anything about the book on the List except pricing and I will defend to the end their right to post these messages This goes for any genealogy or history related book or material that would be helpful to our researchers. Barbara Keys is the Web Mistress for a superb web site for the Heritage Book and everyone interested should see it. http//www.myvirginiaheritage.com/heritage_books/patrick_county2.htm This is also posted as a Tagline at the bottom of every third message sent to the List I hope this helps to explain the situation.  If you need any further explanation please e-mail me privately at [email protected] Barbara Stanley Patrick County, Virginia Mailing List Administrator

In a message dated 4/13/2005 4:50:43 PM Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: THE PROBLEM IS WITH POSTING PRICES. If it is the history book, why privately?.. We would like to know... Also I am a list administrator and if it is genealogy related, I see no problem.. I have seen the info on many lists when it pertains to genealogy/research.. I know it is accepted by others as well as myself. Ellie S.

The GOING/GOIN family of Patrick Co. are my ancestors. I am hoping someone on the list has some information about this illusive family. I would appreciate any input about an Indian connection. Thanks in advance.

If anyone researching the "GOIN" family ever comes across someone with the first name "Missouri" or "Zurah" or something similar, born early 1800s, PLEASE contact me. We feel there is a strong possibility that my husband's g-g-g grandmother may have come from this group and, perhaps, that is why we can not seem to locate her. One of her daughters reportedly did tell relatives that she had "Indian" bloodlines and was known to be of a darker complexion. We would really be thrilled if we found "Missouri" was part of this family! MizzKat ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [VAPATRIC] DNA/Mulatto's/Melungeons/Goins/Goinstown Indians The GOING/GOIN family of Patrick Co. are my ancestors. I am hoping someone on the list has some information about this illusive family. I would appreciate any input about an Indian connection. Thanks in advance. ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== Patrick Co., Va. List Administrator Barb Stanley [email protected] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.10 - Release Date: 4/14/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.10 - Release Date: 4/14/05

Alpha Hiatt,,, Hi, I'm still waiting on that brochure. I was re-looking at the email that you sent me to, and I over looked where you all wanted information and photo's for the WWII book, My grandfather served in WWI. But I guess if i get my things together in time i can send in the info for the county hertiage book II, i believe it was. Peggy

I appreciate your help Irene -----Original Message----- From: Alpha Hiatt [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 5:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [VAPATRIC] DNA/Mulatto's/Melungeons/Goins/Goinstown Indians No, I'm not, but I forwarded your e-mail to Doug, so maybe Doug can help you with this. Alpha --- Irene Underwood <[email protected]> wrote: > Along this line, are you familiar with the WESORTS? > When I worked as a > public health nurse in MD in the rural area, there > was a group called the > WESORTS who were said to be a mix of Caucasian, > black and Indian. They had > light hair and eyes, hair could be either very curly > or straight, and light > skin, mostly thin noses. A very interesting group > of people and my first > exposure to a population like that. They are > probably most similar to the > Mulungeons, if not also categorized globally with > them. > Irene > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alpha Hiatt [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 4:15 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [VAPATRIC] > DNA/Mulatto's/Melungeons/Goins/Goinstown Indians > > Mulatto's: > > During the 18th and 19th centuries, having Indian > blood could affect you in different ways. If it were > tribes like the Cherokee or Creek Nations, and > federal > removal treaties were signed, you could be uprooted > and moved out. Being intermarried and living out of > the nation might save you and help you remain where > you were living. The Powhatan tribes, Lumbee, and > Catawba were not threatened in this way. But there > was > always a fear that you could be, and you tried to > keep > a low profile. State lines were a no-man's land and > this was a safe place to live. Isolated areas, > swamps, > river bottoms, and mountains were also good places > to > hide. State racial laws could be harder to deal > with. > Indians in their own states were often listed as > mulatoes on public records and even had to be listed > as free people of color on their county lists. They > were not black and often owned slaves themselves. In > Amherst County, Virginia in the 19th century, > prosperous Indians owning large amounts of land, > paying taxes, being legally married, and leaving > wills, were still listed as free blacks. They were > not > aware that this was being done to them. Some clerks > of > court could be kind and not do this. Others did so. > When an Indian married a European, a kind clerk > would > not list the last name of the Indian. He was trying > to > be good to them and help them to marry. > Dr. Plecker, the head of the Virginia Office of > Vital > Statistics from the 1920's to the 1940's tried to > clerically do away with all Indians in the state. He > said that except on the two state reserations > (Pamunkey and Mattaponi), there were no Indians left > in the state of Virginia. He told the Bureau of > Indian > Affairs in Washington that they should not count > Indians listed on the federal census in Virginia. > These people were to be listed as white or black. He > prepared lists of Indian family names for each > county > in Virginia and told the clerks of court to give no > one's race as Indian in the records. Many of the > clerks would not cooperate and also continued to > issue > marriage bonds to Indians and Whites. Some of these > lists still survive. > Thus if you had Indian ancestry, it was wise to > maintain a low profile, to marry your white > neighbors, > and to call yourself Portugese, Black Irish, or > Black > Dutch. If you admitted to being Indian, you were > Cherokee or a descendant of Pocahuntas. Her family > and > bloodline (The Bollins, Randolplhs,etc) had married > well and were Virginia Bluebloods. > > GOINS > The question about the Goins or Goings family is a > good one. They are listed as mulatos in many of the > early county records. This does not mean that they > were black. They were non-whites. Many were very > prosperous and owned land and water mills in Patrick > County. They belonged to the local churches and > married whites. Pat Elder writes in the book, > MELUNGEONS, that the names, Goings, Sizemore, Hart, > and Riddle are always of Indian ancestry. She traces > the names back to the 18th century. The sirname, > Goings, is found among Indians in South Carolina, > the > Lumbee Indians, the Eastern Band of Cherokee > Indians, > and the Melungeons. There are Goingstown Indians in > South Carolina and Rockingham County, North > Carolina. > The Goings family lived in Patrick and Surry > Counties. > > > DNA/Melungeons > > On the question of DNA, a lot can be learned from > your > blood, salava, and hair samples concerning your > genealogy. Your ancestors are not completely dead, > they live in you. You carry their genes. > Informations > can be gathered on your mother's family and if you > are > a male, also on your father's family. The > percentages > of your racial makeup can easily be listed now. New > tests are also being developed. Bret Kennedy (author > of book on the Melungeons) and his family have just > had more extensive DNA work done. I was shocked at > the > data that was revealed. All of this was new to me. > His > mother and aunt had almost 1/4 Indian ancestry. This > was more expensive, but is well worth it. Gene > samples > have been collected all over the world. Your genes > can > be matched to other peoples and places. Once you > know > where some of your bloodlines came from, you can > narrow your genealogy search to those areas. > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your > mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > Patrick Co., Va. List Administrator > Barb Stanley > [email protected] > > > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > Patrick Co., Va. Genealogy (VaGenWeb) > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapatric/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== Patrick Co., Va. List Administrator Barb Stanley [email protected]

Thanks for the referral. Irene -----Original Message----- From: Alpha Hiatt [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 5:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [VAPATRIC] Great Wagon Road - Patrick's Indian Heritage no, but I bet I know someone who does...Sally Burns from Martinsville has done extensive research on the wagon roads of Henry County including The Great Wagon Road. She knows where this road ran. She and Carol Wahl from California have been searching for the Fort Mayo site and have a pretty good idea where it is. If you would like to talk with her, her phone # is 276-638-8178. Be sure to tell her I told you to call. Thanks for the references on these two books. Alpha --- Irene Underwood <[email protected]> wrote: > Are you familiar with the book - The Great Wagon > Road by Parke Rouse, Jr.? > Also, my mother was just here to visit and brought > me a book called > Virginia's Western Wars by Hammon and Taylor. I > think she got it at the > Wilderness Museum when her group made a trip there. > I'm really enjoying > learning the information in it. > Irene > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alpha Hiatt [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 3:30 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [VAPATRIC] Great Wagon Road - Patrick's > Indian Heritage > > Glad you liked this. I thought since the > conversation > had been going on about the Philadelphia Wagon Road, > people need to know the Patrick/Henry/Stokes County > connection with this. It's always good to share, > because we all learn from each other and this > information from our Regional Indian History is one > of > the major components of our educational programming > for the Patrick County Genealogy Society and it > exists > nowhere else. > > Alpha Hiatt, Vice President > Patrick County Genealogy Society > --- Irene Underwood <[email protected]> > wrote: > > PS: Thanks for posting this. Really interesting. > > Irene > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alpha Hiatt [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 2:37 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [VAPATRIC] Great Wagon Road - Patrick's > > Indian Heritage > > > > Indian Trails Along the Smith, Mayo and Dan Rivers > > > > The Saura Tribe was using a number of Indian > trails > > during the historic period. Some of these > probably > > had been traveled on for thousands of years. The > > Tutelo-Saura Path was a section of a longer trail > > running from modern Pennsylvania to Georgia. > Coming > > from the Tutelo town in the Roanoke Valley, it > > passed > > through the Saura town at Philpott, crossed the > > Smith > > (Irvine) River at the Great Indian Fields, passed > > through the Saura town on the Mayo River, entered > > North Carolina, led to the large Upper Sauratown > > village, and crossed the Dan River. An important > > artery in the native trade network, this trail was > > later used by the Iroquois and other northern > > Indians > > after the 1670's to raid and make war on the > Indians > > of Virginia and the Carolinas. The English > renamed > > the road the Warrior's Path or the Iroquois War > > Trail. > > Indian hunting and war parties were still using > > this > > important footpath in 1728 when William Byrd II > > passed > > through the area surveying the colonial boundary > > line. > > Thousands of European settlers in the 1700's > would > > also make use of this trail and change its name to > > Morgan Bryan's Road and the Carolina Road. > > > > Another important indian path in the area was the > > Saura-Sapony Trail or Old Indian Trace. This road > > ran > > from the Lower Sauratown on the Dan River to the > > Sapony towns on the Staunton (Roanoke) River and > was > > later used by the European pioneers moving down > from > > Pennsylvania and eastern Virginia. To the south > in > > North Carolina was the Saura Fork or Oconee Path > > that > > led west from the Occoneechee Path to the Upper > > Sauratown, the Yadkin River, and the Blue Ridge > > Mountains. > > > > This information was compiled by Doug Belcher who > is > > a > > Native American Historian for the Patrick County > > Genealogy Society and is very knowledgeable of the > > Native Americans of Patrick County. This is from > > the > > Regional Indian History our organization > distributes > > at our meetings and public forums we attend. I > hope > > many of you will find this information useful and > > learn from it. To learn more, check out Patrick > > County Heritage Book Voume II. > > > > Alpha Hiatt, Vice President > > Patrick County Genealogy Society > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources > site! > > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > > Patrick Co., Va. Genealogy (VaGenWeb) > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapatric/ > > > > > > > > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > > Patrick Co., Va. Genealogy (VaGenWeb) > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapatric/ > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > Patrick Co., Va. List Administrator > Barb Stanley > [email protected] > > > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > Patrick Co., Va. List Administrator > Barb Stanley > [email protected] > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== Patrick Co., Va. Genealogy (VaGenWeb) http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapatric/

Along this line, are you familiar with the WESORTS? When I worked as a public health nurse in MD in the rural area, there was a group called the WESORTS who were said to be a mix of Caucasian, black and Indian. They had light hair and eyes, hair could be either very curly or straight, and light skin, mostly thin noses. A very interesting group of people and my first exposure to a population like that. They are probably most similar to the Mulungeons, if not also categorized globally with them. Irene -----Original Message----- From: Alpha Hiatt [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 4:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [VAPATRIC] DNA/Mulatto's/Melungeons/Goins/Goinstown Indians Mulatto's: During the 18th and 19th centuries, having Indian blood could affect you in different ways. If it were tribes like the Cherokee or Creek Nations, and federal removal treaties were signed, you could be uprooted and moved out. Being intermarried and living out of the nation might save you and help you remain where you were living. The Powhatan tribes, Lumbee, and Catawba were not threatened in this way. But there was always a fear that you could be, and you tried to keep a low profile. State lines were a no-man's land and this was a safe place to live. Isolated areas, swamps, river bottoms, and mountains were also good places to hide. State racial laws could be harder to deal with. Indians in their own states were often listed as mulatoes on public records and even had to be listed as free people of color on their county lists. They were not black and often owned slaves themselves. In Amherst County, Virginia in the 19th century, prosperous Indians owning large amounts of land, paying taxes, being legally married, and leaving wills, were still listed as free blacks. They were not aware that this was being done to them. Some clerks of court could be kind and not do this. Others did so. When an Indian married a European, a kind clerk would not list the last name of the Indian. He was trying to be good to them and help them to marry. Dr. Plecker, the head of the Virginia Office of Vital Statistics from the 1920's to the 1940's tried to clerically do away with all Indians in the state. He said that except on the two state reserations (Pamunkey and Mattaponi), there were no Indians left in the state of Virginia. He told the Bureau of Indian Affairs in Washington that they should not count Indians listed on the federal census in Virginia. These people were to be listed as white or black. He prepared lists of Indian family names for each county in Virginia and told the clerks of court to give no one's race as Indian in the records. Many of the clerks would not cooperate and also continued to issue marriage bonds to Indians and Whites. Some of these lists still survive. Thus if you had Indian ancestry, it was wise to maintain a low profile, to marry your white neighbors, and to call yourself Portugese, Black Irish, or Black Dutch. If you admitted to being Indian, you were Cherokee or a descendant of Pocahuntas. Her family and bloodline (The Bollins, Randolplhs,etc) had married well and were Virginia Bluebloods. GOINS The question about the Goins or Goings family is a good one. They are listed as mulatos in many of the early county records. This does not mean that they were black. They were non-whites. Many were very prosperous and owned land and water mills in Patrick County. They belonged to the local churches and married whites. Pat Elder writes in the book, MELUNGEONS, that the names, Goings, Sizemore, Hart, and Riddle are always of Indian ancestry. She traces the names back to the 18th century. The sirname, Goings, is found among Indians in South Carolina, the Lumbee Indians, the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians, and the Melungeons. There are Goingstown Indians in South Carolina and Rockingham County, North Carolina. The Goings family lived in Patrick and Surry Counties. DNA/Melungeons On the question of DNA, a lot can be learned from your blood, salava, and hair samples concerning your genealogy. Your ancestors are not completely dead, they live in you. You carry their genes. Informations can be gathered on your mother's family and if you are a male, also on your father's family. The percentages of your racial makeup can easily be listed now. New tests are also being developed. Bret Kennedy (author of book on the Melungeons) and his family have just had more extensive DNA work done. I was shocked at the data that was revealed. All of this was new to me. His mother and aunt had almost 1/4 Indian ancestry. This was more expensive, but is well worth it. Gene samples have been collected all over the world. Your genes can be matched to other peoples and places. Once you know where some of your bloodlines came from, you can narrow your genealogy search to those areas. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== Patrick Co., Va. List Administrator Barb Stanley [email protected]

Are you familiar with the book - The Great Wagon Road by Parke Rouse, Jr.? Also, my mother was just here to visit and brought me a book called Virginia's Western Wars by Hammon and Taylor. I think she got it at the Wilderness Museum when her group made a trip there. I'm really enjoying learning the information in it. Irene -----Original Message----- From: Alpha Hiatt [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 3:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [VAPATRIC] Great Wagon Road - Patrick's Indian Heritage Glad you liked this. I thought since the conversation had been going on about the Philadelphia Wagon Road, people need to know the Patrick/Henry/Stokes County connection with this. It's always good to share, because we all learn from each other and this information from our Regional Indian History is one of the major components of our educational programming for the Patrick County Genealogy Society and it exists nowhere else. Alpha Hiatt, Vice President Patrick County Genealogy Society --- Irene Underwood <[email protected]> wrote: > PS: Thanks for posting this. Really interesting. > Irene > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alpha Hiatt [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 2:37 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [VAPATRIC] Great Wagon Road - Patrick's > Indian Heritage > > Indian Trails Along the Smith, Mayo and Dan Rivers > > The Saura Tribe was using a number of Indian trails > during the historic period. Some of these probably > had been traveled on for thousands of years. The > Tutelo-Saura Path was a section of a longer trail > running from modern Pennsylvania to Georgia. Coming > from the Tutelo town in the Roanoke Valley, it > passed > through the Saura town at Philpott, crossed the > Smith > (Irvine) River at the Great Indian Fields, passed > through the Saura town on the Mayo River, entered > North Carolina, led to the large Upper Sauratown > village, and crossed the Dan River. An important > artery in the native trade network, this trail was > later used by the Iroquois and other northern > Indians > after the 1670's to raid and make war on the Indians > of Virginia and the Carolinas. The English renamed > the road the Warrior's Path or the Iroquois War > Trail. > Indian hunting and war parties were still using > this > important footpath in 1728 when William Byrd II > passed > through the area surveying the colonial boundary > line. > Thousands of European settlers in the 1700's would > also make use of this trail and change its name to > Morgan Bryan's Road and the Carolina Road. > > Another important indian path in the area was the > Saura-Sapony Trail or Old Indian Trace. This road > ran > from the Lower Sauratown on the Dan River to the > Sapony towns on the Staunton (Roanoke) River and was > later used by the European pioneers moving down from > Pennsylvania and eastern Virginia. To the south in > North Carolina was the Saura Fork or Oconee Path > that > led west from the Occoneechee Path to the Upper > Sauratown, the Yadkin River, and the Blue Ridge > Mountains. > > This information was compiled by Doug Belcher who is > a > Native American Historian for the Patrick County > Genealogy Society and is very knowledgeable of the > Native Americans of Patrick County. This is from > the > Regional Indian History our organization distributes > at our meetings and public forums we attend. I hope > many of you will find this information useful and > learn from it. To learn more, check out Patrick > County Heritage Book Voume II. > > Alpha Hiatt, Vice President > Patrick County Genealogy Society > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > Patrick Co., Va. Genealogy (VaGenWeb) > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapatric/ > > > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > Patrick Co., Va. Genealogy (VaGenWeb) > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapatric/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== Patrick Co., Va. List Administrator Barb Stanley [email protected]

You're very welcome. Alpha --- Irene Underwood <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for the referral. > Irene > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alpha Hiatt [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 5:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [VAPATRIC] Great Wagon Road - Patrick's > Indian Heritage > > no, but I bet I know someone who does...Sally Burns > from Martinsville has done extensive research on the > wagon roads of Henry County including The Great > Wagon > Road. She knows where this road ran. She and Carol > Wahl from California have been searching for the > Fort > Mayo site and have a pretty good idea where it is. > If > you would like to talk with her, her phone # is > 276-638-8178. Be sure to tell her I told you to > call. > > Thanks for the references on these two books. > > Alpha > --- Irene Underwood <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Are you familiar with the book - The Great Wagon > > Road by Parke Rouse, Jr.? > > Also, my mother was just here to visit and brought > > me a book called > > Virginia's Western Wars by Hammon and Taylor. I > > think she got it at the > > Wilderness Museum when her group made a trip > there. > > I'm really enjoying > > learning the information in it. > > Irene > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alpha Hiatt [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 3:30 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [VAPATRIC] Great Wagon Road - > Patrick's > > Indian Heritage > > > > Glad you liked this. I thought since the > > conversation > > had been going on about the Philadelphia Wagon > Road, > > people need to know the Patrick/Henry/Stokes > County > > connection with this. It's always good to share, > > because we all learn from each other and this > > information from our Regional Indian History is > one > > of > > the major components of our educational > programming > > for the Patrick County Genealogy Society and it > > exists > > nowhere else. > > > > Alpha Hiatt, Vice President > > Patrick County Genealogy Society > > --- Irene Underwood <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > PS: Thanks for posting this. Really > interesting. > > > Irene > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Alpha Hiatt [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 2:37 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [VAPATRIC] Great Wagon Road - Patrick's > > > Indian Heritage > > > > > > Indian Trails Along the Smith, Mayo and Dan > Rivers > > > > > > The Saura Tribe was using a number of Indian > > trails > > > during the historic period. Some of these > > probably > > > had been traveled on for thousands of years. > The > > > Tutelo-Saura Path was a section of a longer > trail > > > running from modern Pennsylvania to Georgia. > > Coming > > > from the Tutelo town in the Roanoke Valley, it > > > passed > > > through the Saura town at Philpott, crossed the > > > Smith > > > (Irvine) River at the Great Indian Fields, > passed > > > through the Saura town on the Mayo River, > entered > > > North Carolina, led to the large Upper Sauratown > > > village, and crossed the Dan River. An > important > > > artery in the native trade network, this trail > was > > > later used by the Iroquois and other northern > > > Indians > > > after the 1670's to raid and make war on the > > Indians > > > of Virginia and the Carolinas. The English > > renamed > > > the road the Warrior's Path or the Iroquois War > > > Trail. > > > Indian hunting and war parties were still using > > > this > > > important footpath in 1728 when William Byrd II > > > passed > > > through the area surveying the colonial boundary > > > line. > > > Thousands of European settlers in the 1700's > > would > > > also make use of this trail and change its name > to > > > Morgan Bryan's Road and the Carolina Road. > > > > > > Another important indian path in the area was > the > > > Saura-Sapony Trail or Old Indian Trace. This > road > > > ran > > > from the Lower Sauratown on the Dan River to the > > > Sapony towns on the Staunton (Roanoke) River and > > was > > > later used by the European pioneers moving down > > from > > > Pennsylvania and eastern Virginia. To the south > > in > > > North Carolina was the Saura Fork or Oconee Path > > > that > > > led west from the Occoneechee Path to the Upper > > > Sauratown, the Yadkin River, and the Blue Ridge > > > Mountains. > > > > > > This information was compiled by Doug Belcher > who > > is > > > a > > > Native American Historian for the Patrick County > > > Genealogy Society and is very knowledgeable of > the > > > Native Americans of Patrick County. This is > from > > > the > > > Regional Indian History our organization > > distributes > > > at our meetings and public forums we attend. I > > hope > > > many of you will find this information useful > and > > > learn from it. To learn more, check out Patrick > > > County Heritage Book Voume II. > > > > > > Alpha Hiatt, Vice President > > > Patrick County Genealogy Society > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources > > site! > > > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > > > > > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > > > Patrick Co., Va. Genealogy (VaGenWeb) > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapatric/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > > > Patrick Co., Va. Genealogy (VaGenWeb) > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapatric/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources > site! > > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > > Patrick Co., Va. List Administrator > > Barb Stanley > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

No, I'm not, but I forwarded your e-mail to Doug, so maybe Doug can help you with this. Alpha --- Irene Underwood <[email protected]> wrote: > Along this line, are you familiar with the WESORTS? > When I worked as a > public health nurse in MD in the rural area, there > was a group called the > WESORTS who were said to be a mix of Caucasian, > black and Indian. They had > light hair and eyes, hair could be either very curly > or straight, and light > skin, mostly thin noses. A very interesting group > of people and my first > exposure to a population like that. They are > probably most similar to the > Mulungeons, if not also categorized globally with > them. > Irene > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alpha Hiatt [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 4:15 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [VAPATRIC] > DNA/Mulatto's/Melungeons/Goins/Goinstown Indians > > Mulatto's: > > During the 18th and 19th centuries, having Indian > blood could affect you in different ways. If it were > tribes like the Cherokee or Creek Nations, and > federal > removal treaties were signed, you could be uprooted > and moved out. Being intermarried and living out of > the nation might save you and help you remain where > you were living. The Powhatan tribes, Lumbee, and > Catawba were not threatened in this way. But there > was > always a fear that you could be, and you tried to > keep > a low profile. State lines were a no-man's land and > this was a safe place to live. Isolated areas, > swamps, > river bottoms, and mountains were also good places > to > hide. State racial laws could be harder to deal > with. > Indians in their own states were often listed as > mulatoes on public records and even had to be listed > as free people of color on their county lists. They > were not black and often owned slaves themselves. In > Amherst County, Virginia in the 19th century, > prosperous Indians owning large amounts of land, > paying taxes, being legally married, and leaving > wills, were still listed as free blacks. They were > not > aware that this was being done to them. Some clerks > of > court could be kind and not do this. Others did so. > When an Indian married a European, a kind clerk > would > not list the last name of the Indian. He was trying > to > be good to them and help them to marry. > Dr. Plecker, the head of the Virginia Office of > Vital > Statistics from the 1920's to the 1940's tried to > clerically do away with all Indians in the state. He > said that except on the two state reserations > (Pamunkey and Mattaponi), there were no Indians left > in the state of Virginia. He told the Bureau of > Indian > Affairs in Washington that they should not count > Indians listed on the federal census in Virginia. > These people were to be listed as white or black. He > prepared lists of Indian family names for each > county > in Virginia and told the clerks of court to give no > one's race as Indian in the records. Many of the > clerks would not cooperate and also continued to > issue > marriage bonds to Indians and Whites. Some of these > lists still survive. > Thus if you had Indian ancestry, it was wise to > maintain a low profile, to marry your white > neighbors, > and to call yourself Portugese, Black Irish, or > Black > Dutch. If you admitted to being Indian, you were > Cherokee or a descendant of Pocahuntas. Her family > and > bloodline (The Bollins, Randolplhs,etc) had married > well and were Virginia Bluebloods. > > GOINS > The question about the Goins or Goings family is a > good one. They are listed as mulatos in many of the > early county records. This does not mean that they > were black. They were non-whites. Many were very > prosperous and owned land and water mills in Patrick > County. They belonged to the local churches and > married whites. Pat Elder writes in the book, > MELUNGEONS, that the names, Goings, Sizemore, Hart, > and Riddle are always of Indian ancestry. She traces > the names back to the 18th century. The sirname, > Goings, is found among Indians in South Carolina, > the > Lumbee Indians, the Eastern Band of Cherokee > Indians, > and the Melungeons. There are Goingstown Indians in > South Carolina and Rockingham County, North > Carolina. > The Goings family lived in Patrick and Surry > Counties. > > > DNA/Melungeons > > On the question of DNA, a lot can be learned from > your > blood, salava, and hair samples concerning your > genealogy. Your ancestors are not completely dead, > they live in you. You carry their genes. > Informations > can be gathered on your mother's family and if you > are > a male, also on your father's family. The > percentages > of your racial makeup can easily be listed now. New > tests are also being developed. Bret Kennedy (author > of book on the Melungeons) and his family have just > had more extensive DNA work done. I was shocked at > the > data that was revealed. All of this was new to me. > His > mother and aunt had almost 1/4 Indian ancestry. This > was more expensive, but is well worth it. Gene > samples > have been collected all over the world. Your genes > can > be matched to other peoples and places. Once you > know > where some of your bloodlines came from, you can > narrow your genealogy search to those areas. > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your > mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > Patrick Co., Va. List Administrator > Barb Stanley > [email protected] > > > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > Patrick Co., Va. Genealogy (VaGenWeb) > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapatric/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

Peggy, I looked through both my inbox and my own folder regarding the Heritage Book and I don't see a previous communication from you. You can download a brochure from our website at: www.myvirginiaheritage.com/heritage_books/patrick_county2.htm If you still want me to mail one to you, please e-mail me back your mailing address. Alpha --- Peggy <[email protected]> wrote: > Alpha Hiatt,,, > > > Hi, I'm still waiting on that brochure. I was > re-looking at the email that > you sent me to, and I over looked where you all > wanted information and > photo's for the WWII book, My grandfather served in > WWI. But I guess if i > get my things together in time i can send in the > info for the county > hertiage book II, i believe it was. > > Peggy > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > Patrick Co., Va. Genealogy (VaGenWeb) > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapatric/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

no, but I bet I know someone who does...Sally Burns from Martinsville has done extensive research on the wagon roads of Henry County including The Great Wagon Road. She knows where this road ran. She and Carol Wahl from California have been searching for the Fort Mayo site and have a pretty good idea where it is. If you would like to talk with her, her phone # is 276-638-8178. Be sure to tell her I told you to call. Thanks for the references on these two books. Alpha --- Irene Underwood <[email protected]> wrote: > Are you familiar with the book - The Great Wagon > Road by Parke Rouse, Jr.? > Also, my mother was just here to visit and brought > me a book called > Virginia's Western Wars by Hammon and Taylor. I > think she got it at the > Wilderness Museum when her group made a trip there. > I'm really enjoying > learning the information in it. > Irene > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alpha Hiatt [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 3:30 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [VAPATRIC] Great Wagon Road - Patrick's > Indian Heritage > > Glad you liked this. I thought since the > conversation > had been going on about the Philadelphia Wagon Road, > people need to know the Patrick/Henry/Stokes County > connection with this. It's always good to share, > because we all learn from each other and this > information from our Regional Indian History is one > of > the major components of our educational programming > for the Patrick County Genealogy Society and it > exists > nowhere else. > > Alpha Hiatt, Vice President > Patrick County Genealogy Society > --- Irene Underwood <[email protected]> > wrote: > > PS: Thanks for posting this. Really interesting. > > Irene > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alpha Hiatt [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 2:37 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [VAPATRIC] Great Wagon Road - Patrick's > > Indian Heritage > > > > Indian Trails Along the Smith, Mayo and Dan Rivers > > > > The Saura Tribe was using a number of Indian > trails > > during the historic period. Some of these > probably > > had been traveled on for thousands of years. The > > Tutelo-Saura Path was a section of a longer trail > > running from modern Pennsylvania to Georgia. > Coming > > from the Tutelo town in the Roanoke Valley, it > > passed > > through the Saura town at Philpott, crossed the > > Smith > > (Irvine) River at the Great Indian Fields, passed > > through the Saura town on the Mayo River, entered > > North Carolina, led to the large Upper Sauratown > > village, and crossed the Dan River. An important > > artery in the native trade network, this trail was > > later used by the Iroquois and other northern > > Indians > > after the 1670's to raid and make war on the > Indians > > of Virginia and the Carolinas. The English > renamed > > the road the Warrior's Path or the Iroquois War > > Trail. > > Indian hunting and war parties were still using > > this > > important footpath in 1728 when William Byrd II > > passed > > through the area surveying the colonial boundary > > line. > > Thousands of European settlers in the 1700's > would > > also make use of this trail and change its name to > > Morgan Bryan's Road and the Carolina Road. > > > > Another important indian path in the area was the > > Saura-Sapony Trail or Old Indian Trace. This road > > ran > > from the Lower Sauratown on the Dan River to the > > Sapony towns on the Staunton (Roanoke) River and > was > > later used by the European pioneers moving down > from > > Pennsylvania and eastern Virginia. To the south > in > > North Carolina was the Saura Fork or Oconee Path > > that > > led west from the Occoneechee Path to the Upper > > Sauratown, the Yadkin River, and the Blue Ridge > > Mountains. > > > > This information was compiled by Doug Belcher who > is > > a > > Native American Historian for the Patrick County > > Genealogy Society and is very knowledgeable of the > > Native Americans of Patrick County. This is from > > the > > Regional Indian History our organization > distributes > > at our meetings and public forums we attend. I > hope > > many of you will find this information useful and > > learn from it. To learn more, check out Patrick > > County Heritage Book Voume II. > > > > Alpha Hiatt, Vice President > > Patrick County Genealogy Society > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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PS: Thanks for posting this. Really interesting. Irene -----Original Message----- From: Alpha Hiatt [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 2:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [VAPATRIC] Great Wagon Road - Patrick's Indian Heritage Indian Trails Along the Smith, Mayo and Dan Rivers The Saura Tribe was using a number of Indian trails during the historic period. Some of these probably had been traveled on for thousands of years. The Tutelo-Saura Path was a section of a longer trail running from modern Pennsylvania to Georgia. Coming from the Tutelo town in the Roanoke Valley, it passed through the Saura town at Philpott, crossed the Smith (Irvine) River at the Great Indian Fields, passed through the Saura town on the Mayo River, entered North Carolina, led to the large Upper Sauratown village, and crossed the Dan River. An important artery in the native trade network, this trail was later used by the Iroquois and other northern Indians after the 1670's to raid and make war on the Indians of Virginia and the Carolinas. The English renamed the road the Warrior's Path or the Iroquois War Trail. Indian hunting and war parties were still using this important footpath in 1728 when William Byrd II passed through the area surveying the colonial boundary line. Thousands of European settlers in the 1700's would also make use of this trail and change its name to Morgan Bryan's Road and the Carolina Road. Another important indian path in the area was the Saura-Sapony Trail or Old Indian Trace. This road ran from the Lower Sauratown on the Dan River to the Sapony towns on the Staunton (Roanoke) River and was later used by the European pioneers moving down from Pennsylvania and eastern Virginia. To the south in North Carolina was the Saura Fork or Oconee Path that led west from the Occoneechee Path to the Upper Sauratown, the Yadkin River, and the Blue Ridge Mountains. This information was compiled by Doug Belcher who is a Native American Historian for the Patrick County Genealogy Society and is very knowledgeable of the Native Americans of Patrick County. This is from the Regional Indian History our organization distributes at our meetings and public forums we attend. I hope many of you will find this information useful and learn from it. To learn more, check out Patrick County Heritage Book Voume II. Alpha Hiatt, Vice President Patrick County Genealogy Society __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== Patrick Co., Va. Genealogy (VaGenWeb) http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapatric/

Dear Alpha, Would you ask Doug Belcher a question for me? It concerns (likely) Rockingham Co., but he may know the answer. How frequent/likely were Indian kidnappings of white setters in 1775? I have a family oral tradition I'm trying to research. Thanks for any help you can give me. Irene -----Original Message----- From: Alpha Hiatt [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 2:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [VAPATRIC] Great Wagon Road - Patrick's Indian Heritage Indian Trails Along the Smith, Mayo and Dan Rivers The Saura Tribe was using a number of Indian trails during the historic period. Some of these probably had been traveled on for thousands of years. The Tutelo-Saura Path was a section of a longer trail running from modern Pennsylvania to Georgia. Coming from the Tutelo town in the Roanoke Valley, it passed through the Saura town at Philpott, crossed the Smith (Irvine) River at the Great Indian Fields, passed through the Saura town on the Mayo River, entered North Carolina, led to the large Upper Sauratown village, and crossed the Dan River. An important artery in the native trade network, this trail was later used by the Iroquois and other northern Indians after the 1670's to raid and make war on the Indians of Virginia and the Carolinas. The English renamed the road the Warrior's Path or the Iroquois War Trail. Indian hunting and war parties were still using this important footpath in 1728 when William Byrd II passed through the area surveying the colonial boundary line. Thousands of European settlers in the 1700's would also make use of this trail and change its name to Morgan Bryan's Road and the Carolina Road. Another important indian path in the area was the Saura-Sapony Trail or Old Indian Trace. This road ran from the Lower Sauratown on the Dan River to the Sapony towns on the Staunton (Roanoke) River and was later used by the European pioneers moving down from Pennsylvania and eastern Virginia. To the south in North Carolina was the Saura Fork or Oconee Path that led west from the Occoneechee Path to the Upper Sauratown, the Yadkin River, and the Blue Ridge Mountains. This information was compiled by Doug Belcher who is a Native American Historian for the Patrick County Genealogy Society and is very knowledgeable of the Native Americans of Patrick County. This is from the Regional Indian History our organization distributes at our meetings and public forums we attend. I hope many of you will find this information useful and learn from it. To learn more, check out Patrick County Heritage Book Voume II. Alpha Hiatt, Vice President Patrick County Genealogy Society __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== Patrick Co., Va. Genealogy (VaGenWeb) http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapatric/

There is a Goings family newsletter dealing with history and Genealogy that is a national publication. Pat Ross has some of these at the Bassett Historical Center. Also, in doing work on this family, please check the publications, MELUNGEONS AND OTHER PIONEER FAMILIES, by Jack H. Goins and MELUNGEONS:EXAMINING AN APPALACHIAN LEGEND, by Pat Elder. Both of these books contain information on our local Goings families. This information and the previous e-mail came from information that Doug Belcher our Native American Historian for the Patrick County Genealogy Society. I hope you find this information useful and educational. Alpha Hiatt, Vice President Patrick County Genealogy Society __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

Mulatto's: During the 18th and 19th centuries, having Indian blood could affect you in different ways. If it were tribes like the Cherokee or Creek Nations, and federal removal treaties were signed, you could be uprooted and moved out. Being intermarried and living out of the nation might save you and help you remain where you were living. The Powhatan tribes, Lumbee, and Catawba were not threatened in this way. But there was always a fear that you could be, and you tried to keep a low profile. State lines were a no-man's land and this was a safe place to live. Isolated areas, swamps, river bottoms, and mountains were also good places to hide. State racial laws could be harder to deal with. Indians in their own states were often listed as mulatoes on public records and even had to be listed as free people of color on their county lists. They were not black and often owned slaves themselves. In Amherst County, Virginia in the 19th century, prosperous Indians owning large amounts of land, paying taxes, being legally married, and leaving wills, were still listed as free blacks. They were not aware that this was being done to them. Some clerks of court could be kind and not do this. Others did so. When an Indian married a European, a kind clerk would not list the last name of the Indian. He was trying to be good to them and help them to marry. Dr. Plecker, the head of the Virginia Office of Vital Statistics from the 1920's to the 1940's tried to clerically do away with all Indians in the state. He said that except on the two state reserations (Pamunkey and Mattaponi), there were no Indians left in the state of Virginia. He told the Bureau of Indian Affairs in Washington that they should not count Indians listed on the federal census in Virginia. These people were to be listed as white or black. He prepared lists of Indian family names for each county in Virginia and told the clerks of court to give no one's race as Indian in the records. Many of the clerks would not cooperate and also continued to issue marriage bonds to Indians and Whites. Some of these lists still survive. Thus if you had Indian ancestry, it was wise to maintain a low profile, to marry your white neighbors, and to call yourself Portugese, Black Irish, or Black Dutch. If you admitted to being Indian, you were Cherokee or a descendant of Pocahuntas. Her family and bloodline (The Bollins, Randolplhs,etc) had married well and were Virginia Bluebloods. GOINS The question about the Goins or Goings family is a good one. They are listed as mulatos in many of the early county records. This does not mean that they were black. They were non-whites. Many were very prosperous and owned land and water mills in Patrick County. They belonged to the local churches and married whites. Pat Elder writes in the book, MELUNGEONS, that the names, Goings, Sizemore, Hart, and Riddle are always of Indian ancestry. She traces the names back to the 18th century. The sirname, Goings, is found among Indians in South Carolina, the Lumbee Indians, the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians, and the Melungeons. There are Goingstown Indians in South Carolina and Rockingham County, North Carolina. The Goings family lived in Patrick and Surry Counties. DNA/Melungeons On the question of DNA, a lot can be learned from your blood, salava, and hair samples concerning your genealogy. Your ancestors are not completely dead, they live in you. You carry their genes. Informations can be gathered on your mother's family and if you are a male, also on your father's family. The percentages of your racial makeup can easily be listed now. New tests are also being developed. Bret Kennedy (author of book on the Melungeons) and his family have just had more extensive DNA work done. I was shocked at the data that was revealed. All of this was new to me. His mother and aunt had almost 1/4 Indian ancestry. This was more expensive, but is well worth it. Gene samples have been collected all over the world. Your genes can be matched to other peoples and places. Once you know where some of your bloodlines came from, you can narrow your genealogy search to those areas. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail

Glad you liked this. I thought since the conversation had been going on about the Philadelphia Wagon Road, people need to know the Patrick/Henry/Stokes County connection with this. It's always good to share, because we all learn from each other and this information from our Regional Indian History is one of the major components of our educational programming for the Patrick County Genealogy Society and it exists nowhere else. Alpha Hiatt, Vice President Patrick County Genealogy Society --- Irene Underwood <[email protected]> wrote: > PS: Thanks for posting this. Really interesting. > Irene > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alpha Hiatt [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 2:37 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [VAPATRIC] Great Wagon Road - Patrick's > Indian Heritage > > Indian Trails Along the Smith, Mayo and Dan Rivers > > The Saura Tribe was using a number of Indian trails > during the historic period. Some of these probably > had been traveled on for thousands of years. The > Tutelo-Saura Path was a section of a longer trail > running from modern Pennsylvania to Georgia. Coming > from the Tutelo town in the Roanoke Valley, it > passed > through the Saura town at Philpott, crossed the > Smith > (Irvine) River at the Great Indian Fields, passed > through the Saura town on the Mayo River, entered > North Carolina, led to the large Upper Sauratown > village, and crossed the Dan River. An important > artery in the native trade network, this trail was > later used by the Iroquois and other northern > Indians > after the 1670's to raid and make war on the Indians > of Virginia and the Carolinas. The English renamed > the road the Warrior's Path or the Iroquois War > Trail. > Indian hunting and war parties were still using > this > important footpath in 1728 when William Byrd II > passed > through the area surveying the colonial boundary > line. > Thousands of European settlers in the 1700's would > also make use of this trail and change its name to > Morgan Bryan's Road and the Carolina Road. > > Another important indian path in the area was the > Saura-Sapony Trail or Old Indian Trace. This road > ran > from the Lower Sauratown on the Dan River to the > Sapony towns on the Staunton (Roanoke) River and was > later used by the European pioneers moving down from > Pennsylvania and eastern Virginia. To the south in > North Carolina was the Saura Fork or Oconee Path > that > led west from the Occoneechee Path to the Upper > Sauratown, the Yadkin River, and the Blue Ridge > Mountains. > > This information was compiled by Doug Belcher who is > a > Native American Historian for the Patrick County > Genealogy Society and is very knowledgeable of the > Native Americans of Patrick County. This is from > the > Regional Indian History our organization distributes > at our meetings and public forums we attend. I hope > many of you will find this information useful and > learn from it. To learn more, check out Patrick > County Heritage Book Voume II. > > Alpha Hiatt, Vice President > Patrick County Genealogy Society > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > Patrick Co., Va. Genealogy (VaGenWeb) > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapatric/ > > > > > ==== VAPATRIC Mailing List ==== > Patrick Co., Va. Genealogy (VaGenWeb) > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapatric/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

Indian Trails Along the Smith, Mayo and Dan Rivers The Saura Tribe was using a number of Indian trails during the historic period. Some of these probably had been traveled on for thousands of years. The Tutelo-Saura Path was a section of a longer trail running from modern Pennsylvania to Georgia. Coming from the Tutelo town in the Roanoke Valley, it passed through the Saura town at Philpott, crossed the Smith (Irvine) River at the Great Indian Fields, passed through the Saura town on the Mayo River, entered North Carolina, led to the large Upper Sauratown village, and crossed the Dan River. An important artery in the native trade network, this trail was later used by the Iroquois and other northern Indians after the 1670's to raid and make war on the Indians of Virginia and the Carolinas. The English renamed the road the Warrior's Path or the Iroquois War Trail. Indian hunting and war parties were still using this important footpath in 1728 when William Byrd II passed through the area surveying the colonial boundary line. Thousands of European settlers in the 1700's would also make use of this trail and change its name to Morgan Bryan's Road and the Carolina Road. Another important indian path in the area was the Saura-Sapony Trail or Old Indian Trace. This road ran from the Lower Sauratown on the Dan River to the Sapony towns on the Staunton (Roanoke) River and was later used by the European pioneers moving down from Pennsylvania and eastern Virginia. To the south in North Carolina was the Saura Fork or Oconee Path that led west from the Occoneechee Path to the Upper Sauratown, the Yadkin River, and the Blue Ridge Mountains. This information was compiled by Doug Belcher who is a Native American Historian for the Patrick County Genealogy Society and is very knowledgeable of the Native Americans of Patrick County. This is from the Regional Indian History our organization distributes at our meetings and public forums we attend. I hope many of you will find this information useful and learn from it. To learn more, check out Patrick County Heritage Book Voume II. Alpha Hiatt, Vice President Patrick County Genealogy Society __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/