Carol, My Orange county families are mixed up with these bur not specifically with the ones you mention. If you lived near a big library, see if you can find the 4 volumes of "Orange County Families" By William Brockman. They are not always accurate but he has tons of info and can give you a heads up. I don't have enough exact info to help you, but I would be surprised if LDS does not have info (haven't checked) and perhaps you can get one of the libraries to lend you a copy, although I don't know if they lend reference books. Aslo, the Martins are tied to the Collins clan earlier and Collins and Brockmans intermarried often. Your Brockman-Harris connection is probably right. I have another line of Brockman but I have seen the names. Mine are Atkins, Groom, Burras, Brockman, Wisdom and Collins so I know they are tied to yours. Also check the earlier stages of Orange Co and Louisa. Caroline for one. I haven't done anything for a couple of years, so am a bit rusty. Pat Snyder