Hi Debra As a researcher, nurse, paralegal [certificate], and publisher with 5 copyrighted books; the point you raise is valid. Facts taken from an 'original document' no matter the source cannot be copyrighted by anyone other than the original author. However, abstracts with their own interpretation words beyond the facts apparently can be. It is a question of form and if you want to go to court to protect your copyrighted version if someone uses them. Another important fact, that occurs more to the legal profession than genealogical researchers is when the 'copyright law' is written and whether previous works are grandfathered. Two years ago, a table of contents was copyrightable and now it isn't, according to a recent conversation with the LOC. I frequently use verbatim statutory items in the newsletter I edit. I would never use an abstract of another person, not only for copyright reasons, but for ethical ones as well. In the genealogical community many people feel that family information 'belongs' to them. Thoughts on this: Tell people you share information with not to put it on the web, if you have strong feelings about it. #2 If it is on the web as 'facts' no one 'owns' it. Trudie -----Original Message----- From: Mark Rowden [mailto:mrowden@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 10:01 AM To: VANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [VANORTHU-L] N'umberld Order Bks. 1 & 2 ? Please believe me when I say that I'm not trying to be rude here. It just sparked by curiosity because I'm a trademark attorney and I've never heard of that before -- and I've never really thought about it. My profession and my hobbies have intersected. Do you know where you got this from? It seems to me that it is not be a copyright violation to ask for all of a surname. The asker is not violated anything here because the request can never expose copyrighted materials. However, if the replier just subscribed the entire section -- word for word, page for page -- that might be a copyright violation. But, the author cannot have copyright protection on facts, especially public and historical ones. So, if the replier just related the facts (as I did previously) that does not violate the copyright laws. Public, historical facts can be disseminated freely. I believe one example in law school (I also teach - but not copyright, I teach contracts) is that you can take a recipe out of a recipe book and forward it along. You can't, however, copy the form of the book, ie. several pages of recipes. I would think that this is the same thing. Also, a friend of mine was an attorney on a recent case where a city in Texas got third party association to write a model code (or a section of it). The city then enacted the model code, word for word. The author declared that the code was protected under copyright laws. Defendant in that case had a website with public information. He took the code and published it on his website - word for word, page by page. Author sued. The appellate court said that it was not a violation of copyright to put the code on the website since the words were public facts when enacted by the city's lawmakers. The US Supreme Court denied to hear the case so the website owner won. Again, I see copying public records as the same thing. If the author took the records, word for word, from the public records -- they can not have copyright protection on those words, and -- it they copy the entire public record, they cannot claim a copyright protection on the order. However, if they take the public record and reword it, they now can claim copyright protection on those words -- but not the facts. So, do you know where you got this from? I'd like to investigate it further - to satisfy my own curiosity. Thanks, Debra S. Hill Jacksonville, FL -----Original Message----- From: Sandra Ferguson [mailto:ferg@ntelos.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 1:48 PM To: VANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANORTHU-L] N'umberld Order Bks. 1 & 2 ? Actually, asking people to give ALL of any specific surname is an infringement of the copyright laws...this is called a blanket lookup and doesn't fall under fair usage . What is permitted is to ask if 2 or 3 specific people are included in the index ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Sulzer" <psulzer47@yahoo.com> To: <VANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 1:26 PM Subject: [VANORTHU-L] N'umberld Order Bks. 1 & 2 ? > Would someone mind doing a lookup for me please if they have copies of "Northumberland Co., VA Court Order Book 1699-1713" Part 1 and/or Part 2 ? Part 1 was published in 1999 and Part 2 was published in 2001. > I am looking for several members of the TURNER family and would appreciate very much knowing which ones are listed in the index of each book. > > Thanks for any help, > Pam in Baton Rouge > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ______________________________ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Please believe me when I say that I'm not trying to be rude here. It just sparked by curiosity because I'm a trademark attorney and I've never heard of that before -- and I've never really thought about it. My profession and my hobbies have intersected. Do you know where you got this from? It seems to me that it is not be a copyright violation to ask for all of a surname. The asker is not violated anything here because the request can never expose copyrighted materials. However, if the replier just subscribed the entire section -- word for word, page for page -- that might be a copyright violation. But, the author cannot have copyright protection on facts, especially public and historical ones. So, if the replier just related the facts (as I did previously) that does not violate the copyright laws. Public, historical facts can be disseminated freely. I believe one example in law school (I also teach - but not copyright, I teach contracts) is that you can take a recipe out of a recipe book and forward it along. You can't, however, copy the form of the book, ie. several pages of recipes. I would think that this is the same thing. Also, a friend of mine was an attorney on a recent case where a city in Texas got third party association to write a model code (or a section of it). The city then enacted the model code, word for word. The author declared that the code was protected under copyright laws. Defendant in that case had a website with public information. He took the code and published it on his website - word for word, page by page. Author sued. The appellate court said that it was not a violation of copyright to put the code on the website since the words were public facts when enacted by the city's lawmakers. The US Supreme Court denied to hear the case so the website owner won. Again, I see copying public records as the same thing. If the author took the records, word for word, from the public records -- they can not have copyright protection on those words, and -- it they copy the entire public record, they cannot claim a copyright protection on the order. However, if they take the public record and reword it, they now can claim copyright protection on those words -- but not the facts. So, do you know where you got this from? I'd like to investigate it further - to satisfy my own curiosity. Thanks, Debra S. Hill Jacksonville, FL -----Original Message----- From: Sandra Ferguson [mailto:ferg@ntelos.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 1:48 PM To: VANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANORTHU-L] N'umberld Order Bks. 1 & 2 ? Actually, asking people to give ALL of any specific surname is an infringement of the copyright laws...this is called a blanket lookup and doesn't fall under fair usage . What is permitted is to ask if 2 or 3 specific people are included in the index ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Sulzer" <psulzer47@yahoo.com> To: <VANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 1:26 PM Subject: [VANORTHU-L] N'umberld Order Bks. 1 & 2 ? > Would someone mind doing a lookup for me please if they have copies of "Northumberland Co., VA Court Order Book 1699-1713" Part 1 and/or Part 2 ? Part 1 was published in 1999 and Part 2 was published in 2001. > I am looking for several members of the TURNER family and would appreciate very much knowing which ones are listed in the index of each book. > > Thanks for any help, > Pam in Baton Rouge > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ______________________________

There is one Turner in Bk 1 - John Turner. The first date is July 22 1699 when he acts as executor to Jerome Jadroyn. 8/18: Judgmet granted to him unless Jeremiah Jadroyn and Sam Warcupp appear in court (for 411 lbs of tobacco) 6/1704: a suit by John Laurence dismd against Turner 2/1702: Richard Hull had sued Turner and since Hull did not appear at the hearing the case was dismissed against Turner. 5/1705: Turner is appointed Constable for Cupits Neck presenct and is ordered to be sworn in. 5/1705: Turner sits on a grand jury for several cases. Most are against people for not going to church and one against a woman for having a bastard child (BTW, my ancestor is one of the ones that didn't go to church) 6/1705: Richard Hull sues Turner for Hogg steeling. (I guess we both have skeletons in our closets -- heathens and thieves -- just kidding) 8/1705: Uh oh - the sheriffs takes him into custody on the above charge. 3/1705/6: Turner acts as trustee in a gift of deed held on behalf forb Mary Mandly. Donee is Edmund Mandly. Mo more. BTW: I briefly read an article where the colonials would use lawsuit as security interest. If someone owed them money (i.e. tobacco), they would bring a lawsuit and let is stand until paid. When it came to the date of trial and they were paid, they would not show up and the case would be dismissed. That it why they seemed so litigious. Debra Hill Jacksonville, FL -----Original Message----- From: Pam Sulzer [mailto:psulzer47@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:01 PM To: VANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANORTHU-L] N'umberld Order Bks. 1 & 2 ? Sorry about that. Would someone please be willing to do a lookup in the book mentioned below for JOHN TURNER, EDWARD TURNER and/or PETER TURNER? Thanks very much, Pam Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> wrote: Actually, asking people to give ALL of any specific surname is an infringement of the copyright laws...this is called a blanket lookup and doesn't fall under fair usage . What is permitted is to ask if 2 or 3 specific people are included in the index ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Sulzer" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 1:26 PM Subject: [VANORTHU-L] N'umberld Order Bks. 1 & 2 ? > Would someone mind doing a lookup for me please if they have copies of "Northumberland Co., VA Court Order Book 1699-1713" Part 1 and/or Part 2 ? Part 1 was published in 1999 and Part 2 was published in 2001. > I am looking for several members of the TURNER family and would appreciate very much knowing which ones are listed in the index of each book. > > Thanks for any help, > Pam in Baton Rouge > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 - ------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software

Actually, asking people to give ALL of any specific surname is an infringement of the copyright laws...this is called a blanket lookup and doesn't fall under fair usage . What is permitted is to ask if 2 or 3 specific people are included in the index ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Sulzer" <psulzer47@yahoo.com> To: <VANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 1:26 PM Subject: [VANORTHU-L] N'umberld Order Bks. 1 & 2 ? > Would someone mind doing a lookup for me please if they have copies of "Northumberland Co., VA Court Order Book 1699-1713" Part 1 and/or Part 2 ? Part 1 was published in 1999 and Part 2 was published in 2001. > I am looking for several members of the TURNER family and would appreciate very much knowing which ones are listed in the index of each book. > > Thanks for any help, > Pam in Baton Rouge > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Sorry about that. Would someone please be willing to do a lookup in the book mentioned below for JOHN TURNER, EDWARD TURNER and/or PETER TURNER? Thanks very much, Pam Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> wrote: Actually, asking people to give ALL of any specific surname is an infringement of the copyright laws...this is called a blanket lookup and doesn't fall under fair usage . What is permitted is to ask if 2 or 3 specific people are included in the index ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Sulzer" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 1:26 PM Subject: [VANORTHU-L] N'umberld Order Bks. 1 & 2 ? > Would someone mind doing a lookup for me please if they have copies of "Northumberland Co., VA Court Order Book 1699-1713" Part 1 and/or Part 2 ? Part 1 was published in 1999 and Part 2 was published in 2001. > I am looking for several members of the TURNER family and would appreciate very much knowing which ones are listed in the index of each book. > > Thanks for any help, > Pam in Baton Rouge > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software

Would someone mind doing a lookup for me please if they have copies of "Northumberland Co., VA Court Order Book 1699-1713" Part 1 and/or Part 2 ? Part 1 was published in 1999 and Part 2 was published in 2001. I am looking for several members of the TURNER family and would appreciate very much knowing which ones are listed in the index of each book. Thanks for any help, Pam in Baton Rouge --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software

I checked, and the LDS have Personal Property taxes for Northumberland on film from 1782-1850. the film # 1870182 has 1782 through 1812 ( with 1808 missing) this film can be rented at any FHC for about $3.50/month. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: <MACAWEBB@aol.com> To: <VANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:27 AM Subject: [VANORTHU-L] Tax lists > Can anyone tell me difinitively what years tax records are available for > Northumberland? I've tried working through my library, but they aren't much help. > I have two areas of interest. My Edward WEBB marries Nancy DOWNTAIN 6 April > 1807. His presumed brother Vincent WEBB marries Elizabeth APPLEBY 22 Mar > 1805. I am hoping that by looking at tax records I can find which of about 8 > WEBB families, which one Vincent and Edward come from. Presumably there would be > at least one less Male over 18 for 1805 or 1806 and another less for 1807 or > 1808. Thanks for any help you might have. > > Mac Webb > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Have you done a place check on the online site of the LDS, to see what has been filmed for the county? It's simple , using this method, to find EVERYTHING the SLC Library has on film for ANY county That's where I'd start. ----- Original Message ----- From: <MACAWEBB@aol.com> To: <VANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:27 AM Subject: [VANORTHU-L] Tax lists > Can anyone tell me difinitively what years tax records are available for > Northumberland? I've tried working through my library, but they aren't much help. > I have two areas of interest. My Edward WEBB marries Nancy DOWNTAIN 6 April > 1807. His presumed brother Vincent WEBB marries Elizabeth APPLEBY 22 Mar > 1805. I am hoping that by looking at tax records I can find which of about 8 > WEBB families, which one Vincent and Edward come from. Presumably there would be > at least one less Male over 18 for 1805 or 1806 and another less for 1807 or > 1808. Thanks for any help you might have. > > Mac Webb > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Can anyone tell me difinitively what years tax records are available for Northumberland? I've tried working through my library, but they aren't much help. I have two areas of interest. My Edward WEBB marries Nancy DOWNTAIN 6 April 1807. His presumed brother Vincent WEBB marries Elizabeth APPLEBY 22 Mar 1805. I am hoping that by looking at tax records I can find which of about 8 WEBB families, which one Vincent and Edward come from. Presumably there would be at least one less Male over 18 for 1805 or 1806 and another less for 1807 or 1808. Thanks for any help you might have. Mac Webb

There is a 1822 marriage of a Samuel Winslow to a Mrs Nancy Webb. Does anyone have any information on either of the individuals or the marriage? Mac Webb

Hello, This is forwarded with permission. Enjoy.....~malinda Revolutionary War-Era Swivel Gun Reveals Its Secrets Release Date: 6/27/2003 9:18:00 PM By Joanna Novarro, Naval Historical Center Public Affairs WASHINGTON (NNS) -- Restoration is in work on an 18th century cast iron swivel gun recovered from the Penobscot River near Bangor, Maine, by the Naval Historical Center�s (NHC) Underwater Archaeology Branch, September 2001. Retreating American Revolutionary naval forces are thought to have discarded the gun during the final hours of a little known military engagement. This swivel gun, like most manufactured during that time, resembles a miniaturized version of a larger cannon, and features a largely intact wrought-iron yoke and swivel assembly. There are three intriguing attributes of the swivel gun, some first noticed in 2002 when it was X-rayed. The first is that the gun can pivot in two planes and functions as an antipersonnel weapon, due to its placement on the vessel�s gunwell (sic). The second is that the bore of the barrel gun is off-center, and the gun tube is appreciably thinner on one side than the other, which was a result of an accident that occurred during its construction. During the 18th century, most gun founders cast cannons and swivel guns as solid cylinders, and then drilled out the bore manually or with motive-powered machines. The third is that radiographs revealed that it still was loaded with two iron shots, and what appeared to be the remnants of a paper or cloth powder bag. Behind the ammunition, the conservators discovered a quantity of black powdery residue and a small swatch of burlap-like fabric, which radiographs also revealed. All of the damage to the gun occurred when it was used in combat. NHC archaeologists, after thoroughly inspecting the swivel gun, found it was missing all of the muzzle and part of the barrel. The gun is believed to be a relic from the Battle of Penobscot, which began June 1779 when the British army sent soldiers to Majabagaduce, Mass. (present-day Castine, Maine), to establish a military and political headquarters for a new colony for loyalist subjects fleeing the rebellious colonies. July 24, 1779, a combined American naval and land force entered Penobscot Bay and laid siege to the new fort. The Americans had almost defeated the British, when a relief squadron arrived at the entrance to the bay. The presence of the British warships forced the Americans into a panicked, disorganized retreat up the Penobscot River. The British vessels rapidly overtook the fleeing American forces, causing the latter to abandon and scuttle most of their ships to prevent their capture. The engagement, known as the Penobscot Expedition, has the distinction of being the second worst naval defeat in American military history. Only the Japanese surprise attack at Pearl Harbor incurred a greater loss of American ships and naval materiel. Conservation of the swivel gun is ongoing and should be completed later this year. Dave Shirlaw Editor, SeaWaves Magazine www.seawaves.com Tel: (604) 924-5401 Cel: (604) 454-SHIP (7447) Fax: (604) 924-5403

I will try getting posted to the list later. I will be going out of town and do not have the time right now. Cheryl --- Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> wrote: > The idea of these genealogical lists is to share the > information we have > with EVERYONE, either those in the group now or > those who surf the archives > later. When you send things to just an individual > it defeats the purpose , > which is getting the most information to the most > people. So, why not just > post the will to the list? There might well be > someone else who could use > it, if not now then in the future. > > Sandra > > > > I have a copy of will from William ESKRIDGE > where he > > > leaves his daughter "Ann Haynie > WILKINSON/WILKISON the > > > plantation know by the name of Welsh neck > containing > > > One hundred and forty acres of land". ===== Keep on Stampin' Cheryl Miller, Alton, VA Gardening,Stampin' & Genealogy - full time hobbies Visit my family: www.geocities.com/kosacktree

The idea of these genealogical lists is to share the information we have with EVERYONE, either those in the group now or those who surf the archives later. When you send things to just an individual it defeats the purpose , which is getting the most information to the most people. So, why not just post the will to the list? There might well be someone else who could use it, if not now then in the future. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "William C Porter" <retrop1@comcast.net> To: <VANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [VANORTHU-L] WELSH NECK > Cheryl, > Saw this on VANORTHU-L and would be interested in getting a copy of the > will. I have a FAX and would send you the number if you wish to do it that > way, send me an e-mail telling me that. William Eskridge is my wife's 1C7R. > She is from the FALLIN line of Northumberland and Lancaster Counties, VA. If > I can supply you with any information about the FALLIN family, please let me > know. > Bill Porter > retrop1@comcast.net > > > From: Cheryl Miller <kosacktree@yahoo.com> > > I have a copy of will from William ESKRIDGE where he > > leaves his daughter "Ann Haynie WILKINSON/WILKISON the > > plantation know by the name of Welsh neck containing > > One hundred and forty acres of land". > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Cheryl, Saw this on VANORTHU-L and would be interested in getting a copy of the will. I have a FAX and would send you the number if you wish to do it that way, send me an e-mail telling me that. William Eskridge is my wife's 1C7R. She is from the FALLIN line of Northumberland and Lancaster Counties, VA. If I can supply you with any information about the FALLIN family, please let me know. Bill Porter retrop1@comcast.net > From: Cheryl Miller <kosacktree@yahoo.com> > I have a copy of will from William ESKRIDGE where he > leaves his daughter "Ann Haynie WILKINSON/WILKISON the > plantation know by the name of Welsh neck containing > One hundred and forty acres of land".

I have a copy of will from William ESKRIDGE where he leaves his daughter "Ann Haynie WILKINSON/WILKISON the plantation know by the name of Welsh neck containing One hundred and forty acres of land". Is anyone familiar with this area? How could I locate it? Thank you Cheryl Miller ===== Keep on Stampin' Cheryl Miller, Alton, VA Gardening,Stampin' & Genealogy - full time hobbies Visit my family: www.geocities.com/kosacktree

You may rent ANY census at your Family History Center, for $3.50/month. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patt Roach" <peadatt@abilene.com> To: <VANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [VANORTHU-L] Thomas West & son Wm. J. West > Most libraries of any size will have 1870 and 1860 census books for most of > the states. They are in large books and are in alphabetical order. If you > can get to a library, that will be your best bet. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dotuw1@aol.com <Dotuw1@aol.com> > To: VANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com <VANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: [VANORTHU-L] Thomas West & son Wm. J. West > > > >Am trying to find the connection between Thomas West and his son Wm J. West > >b. 1861. Thomas West m. Mary Cooper. William J. West was in NJ on the > 1880 > >census Gloucester Co. He and his parents were all b. VA, but I have > reached a > >dead end. Would appreciate any help in finding a clue or a lead that will > >help me find this elusive family. > > > >Thank you, > >Dorothy > > > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Am trying to find the connection between Thomas West and his son Wm J. West b. 1861. Thomas West m. Mary Cooper. William J. West was in NJ on the 1880 census Gloucester Co. He and his parents were all b. VA, but I have reached a dead end. Would appreciate any help in finding a clue or a lead that will help me find this elusive family. Thank you, Dorothy

Most libraries of any size will have 1870 and 1860 census books for most of the states. They are in large books and are in alphabetical order. If you can get to a library, that will be your best bet. -----Original Message----- From: Dotuw1@aol.com <Dotuw1@aol.com> To: VANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com <VANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [VANORTHU-L] Thomas West & son Wm. J. West >Am trying to find the connection between Thomas West and his son Wm J. West >b. 1861. Thomas West m. Mary Cooper. William J. West was in NJ on the 1880 >census Gloucester Co. He and his parents were all b. VA, but I have reached a >dead end. Would appreciate any help in finding a clue or a lead that will >help me find this elusive family. > >Thank you, >Dorothy > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Genealogy, of course! Becky Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> wrote:What passion is that? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky Redd Casagrande" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [VANORTHU-L] Thomas West & son/Sandra Ferguson > Sandra Ferguson -- It's been a LONG time since we've corresponded. Hope all is well with you and yours. I hope, also, that you have time to give to your passion! > > Best regards, Becky Redd Casagrande > > Sandra Ferguson wrote: > That's a shame..... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 6:13 PM > Subject: Re: [VANORTHU-L] Thomas West & son > > > > Sandra, > > > > Cannot find the family in the 1870 county census. I found him in the 1880 > > census but he is living alone with another family by then. His father > died > > before 1880 but do not know just when that occurred. > > > > Dot > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > BECKY REDD CASAGRANDE (genequene@yahoo.com) > > "Yesterday is...history, Tomorrow is...the future, and Today is...opportunity" > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 BECKY REDD CASAGRANDE (genequene@yahoo.com) "Yesterday is...history, Tomorrow is...the future, and Today is...opportunity" --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!

What passion is that? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky Redd Casagrande" <genequene@yahoo.com> To: <VANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [VANORTHU-L] Thomas West & son/Sandra Ferguson > Sandra Ferguson -- It's been a LONG time since we've corresponded. Hope all is well with you and yours. I hope, also, that you have time to give to your passion! > > Best regards, Becky Redd Casagrande > > Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> wrote: > That's a shame..... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 6:13 PM > Subject: Re: [VANORTHU-L] Thomas West & son > > > > Sandra, > > > > Cannot find the family in the 1870 county census. I found him in the 1880 > > census but he is living alone with another family by then. His father > died > > before 1880 but do not know just when that occurred. > > > > Dot > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > BECKY REDD CASAGRANDE (genequene@yahoo.com) > > "Yesterday is...history, Tomorrow is...the future, and Today is...opportunity" > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >