This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_918515305_boundary Content-ID: <[email protected]_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi All, Was surprised to read that you had not received my response regarding the Historical Society and the city to search because I sent information on both. However when I responded my reply went to the Digest so maybe that's why you didn't see. Instead of clicking reply since I am on the Digest, guess I need to send to the list. So sorry. Here it is! Dee --part0_918515305_boundary Content-ID: <[email protected]_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: [email protected] Return-path: <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: VANORFOL-D Digest V99 #16 Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:41:00 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Susan, The Norfolk County Historical Society membership is open to all interested persons. Dues are $7.50 a year. Send your name address and telephone number with check made payable to Norfolk County Historical Society at 298 Cedar Rd. Chesapeake VA 23320. Members are notified by mail of the three yearly membership meetings and the annual dinner meeting. The mailings will include some articles of historical interest. The Society sponsors historical and genealogy programs, publishes and sells some good books on local history, volunteers in the Wallace Memorial Room (The Wallace Memorial Room is part of the Chesapeake Central Library at 300 Cedar Rd. that emphasizes the City of Chesapeake), and partners with other organizations on projects of local interest ie Civil War Days in Sept., Battle of Great Bridge(Rev. War.) program in Dec., Scottish weekend June. There are several other Genealogy and Historical groups in the area. Will gather information on them and post them here later! I will need to do some research on the available court records and dates in each city. That is on my list of things to do in February! Dee --part0_918515305_boundary--

Susan, the only suggestion I have, is to go to the white pages with aol...put in Portsmouth, VA..type in Spear. Then do the same thing for Norfolk, VA and type in Spear. Print out all the Spear listings. It will cost you some money, but make long distance phone calls and ask if anyone is a living descendant of your man. I have done this same thing. It is expensive. But I have found 4 famalies that are willing to talk to me about their ancestors. And I have to tell you that it was the most beneficial thing I have ever done...honestly. People are usually willing to talk on Sunday afternoons on the phone and I have gained sooooo much information on different lines that way. Also, you might want to contact the Norfolk county Genealogy/Historical Society and offer to pay one of their members to search for your descendants for you. Sometimes people will do this for a fee that is not out of this world in price range. I sure hope this helps you some. I think Dee Smith posted the address for the Norfolk county Historical Society on the page previously. It is worth a try to try these things. Take care, Susan >X-Message: #2 >Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:21:42 EST >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: [VANORFOL-L] Still looking for family.... >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > >I'm still hoping to find my SPEAR family in the Norfolk / Portmouth >area.....the line is as follows: >Andrew Oscar SPEAR b. ca 1864 in Ohio and wife Hannah b. ca 1876 in >Wisconsin >is found in the 1920 Norfolk Co., VA Census in the Pleasant Grove >District.... >Kempis Q. SPEAR b.Jan 8, 1890 in Ohio is found in the 1920 Norfolk >Co., VA >Census in Portsmouth...working as a Mail Carrier for the Post >Office....I have >old pictures that show Kempis with his wife and children...I would >love to >find them...He is gone I'm sure, his children may be gone, but his >grandchildren would be my age... >If you can help in any way, it will be greatly >appreciated....thanks...Susan >SPEAR Line: Father to son (to me).....Nehemiah and Mary Polly (Cory) >SPEAR in >Ohio>>>>>Thomas and Sarah (Morgareidge) SPEAR in Ohio>>>>>Andrew Oscar >SPEAR >md. #1 Jennie D. Mercer in Ohio / md. #1 Hannah_______in >VA???>>>>>********Earl Eldridge and Pauline (Presgraves) SPEAR in >Ohio>>>>>Robert Earl and Ella Mae (Wallace) SPEAR>>>>me!!! > >******Kempis SPEAR is older brother of Earl Eldridge SPEAR.... ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Still seeking info on the John BRICKELL, and Eliza HUDSON, who married in Norfolk, Oct 1775. Does anyone know what happened to either of these people? Thank you so very much for ANY leads! Marcia

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_918421221_boundary Content-ID: <[email protected]_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_918421221_boundary Content-ID: <[email protected]_out.mail.juno.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (rly-yd05.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.5]) by air-yd05.mx.aol.com (v56.24) with SMTP; Sun, 07 Feb 1999 06:59:24 -0500 Received: from x7.boston.juno.com (x7.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.24]) by rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id GAA11652 for <[email protected]>; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 06:59:23 -0500 (EST) From: [email protected] Received: (from [email protected]) by x7.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D2USS4A2; Sun, 07 Feb 1999 06:58:46 EST To: [email protected] Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 05:15:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [VANORFOL-L] Records.. Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,4-25 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Marcia, Please post this to the list...maybe Dee Smith will get back to us with her answer. One can hope! I haven't heard from her about the answer to this question, nor what city has what books in Norfolk Couty, VA. Susan in VA --------------------------------------------------------------- THE PAST EXPLAINS THE PRESENT JENKINS/DAVIS/GAYLE/SMITH/MURRAY/ GODWIN/PARKER/WHITEHEAD/FRAZIER/CURRIN --------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:50:08 EST [email protected] writes: >Hi: >I, too, would be interested in the Norfolk Genealogical Society >address, and >fee for membership, if you have it. Maybe it would be helpful to >others on >the discussion group. > >Thanks so much, Still searching for my John BRICKELL up there, and >any of his >family - Martha (wife), Wright, Celia, John Jr, Matthias, Thomas.... > >Thanks, >Marcia > ________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to use the Internet? Get fast, reliable, affordable Web access from Juno, the world's second largest online service. Download your free software <a href="http://www.juno.com/getit.a.html">here</a>. --part0_918421221_boundary--

I'm still hoping to find my SPEAR family in the Norfolk / Portmouth area.....the line is as follows: Andrew Oscar SPEAR b. ca 1864 in Ohio and wife Hannah b. ca 1876 in Wisconsin is found in the 1920 Norfolk Co., VA Census in the Pleasant Grove District.... Kempis Q. SPEAR b.Jan 8, 1890 in Ohio is found in the 1920 Norfolk Co., VA Census in Portsmouth...working as a Mail Carrier for the Post Office....I have old pictures that show Kempis with his wife and children...I would love to find them...He is gone I'm sure, his children may be gone, but his grandchildren would be my age... If you can help in any way, it will be greatly appreciated....thanks...Susan SPEAR Line: Father to son (to me).....Nehemiah and Mary Polly (Cory) SPEAR in Ohio>>>>>Thomas and Sarah (Morgareidge) SPEAR in Ohio>>>>>Andrew Oscar SPEAR md. #1 Jennie D. Mercer in Ohio / md. #1 Hannah_______in VA???>>>>>********Earl Eldridge and Pauline (Presgraves) SPEAR in Ohio>>>>>Robert Earl and Ella Mae (Wallace) SPEAR>>>>me!!! ******Kempis SPEAR is older brother of Earl Eldridge SPEAR....

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1799-Will of Edward Stringer-Judah,(wife),Edmond, Limeledge,Mary Ann,James and William (children);Agnes Whitlock,Fanny Southerland,Lucy Browning,Tabitha Peed,Sarah Campbell and Frances Vier (daughters) Also in my notes : 1753 Will of Francis Stringer-Hannah,Elizabeth,Ralph. Mary Jane Peed married Alsalom T.Roe Beaufort,NC ,Washington co sept.3,1841. Josephus Peed married Julia Roe Sept. Beaufort Washington co sept 3,1841 Carrie Rowe

Thank you....I seem to be looking most in 1920 - present in the following areas: Both taken from 1920 census... 1. Pleasant Grove District, Norfolk Co., VA...Where is this???? 2. Portsmouth, Norfolk Co., VA...I know where this is... thanks...Susan

I have the book on decendants of William and Mary Brough Rowe written by R.O.Godley. I was glad to find someone researching the Brough, Rowe, and Stringer families. The Peed and Stringer families can be found in Craven co.,NC. My ancestor,James Rowe, was born ca1759,and probably a decendant of this William and Mary Rowe. Wm.and Mary Rowe had the following children: Robert,Coleman,Kiteley,John,William,and Mary. The book mostly follows John's decendants. Wm.Roe left a will in 1721. Norfolk co.,Va. Would love to exchange info with you . The book has some info on the Brough and Bossell family. I am interested in finding more on the Stringer connection. There was a James Roe who wrote his will 1737 in Craven co.,NC and named Francis Stringer executor. Carrie Rowe Burgaw,NC

Hi all, Picked this up from the Southside list. Susan, think this will answer your questions about where records are located. As the other Susan told us, you will need to know the dates and where people were located in order to know where the records are. Your guardian records from 1860 would be in the Norfolk CITY court records. Message from the list: Norfolk, VA was an independent city as of 1845. The city did not move, the boundaries and form of government did! Virginia has a habit of forming independent cities smack in the middle of perfectly good counties. from "Hornbook of Virginia History,"Fourth Edition, ed. by Salmon & Campbell, Library of Virginia Publication, c. 1994: "Norfolk [City] was located in Norfolk County, which is now extinct. The city took its name from the former home of an early settler, Adam Thoroughgood, who was a native of the county of Norfolk, England. Norfolk was established in 1680 by an act of assembly. It was incorporated as a borough in 1736 and as a city in 1845. Norfolk was enlarged in 1906 by the annexation of the town of Berkeley." "Norfolk County (extinct) probably was named by Adam Thoroughgood, a local resident, for his native county in England. It was formed from Lower Norfolk County in 1691. Norfolk County became extinct in 1963, when it was consolidated with the city of South Norfolk to form the city of Chesapeake. The county seat was Portsmouth." "Chesapeake, which is named for the Chesapeake Bay, comprises the former Norfolk County and the former city of South Norfolk. It was formed by court order in 1963 by a merger of these two entities, both of which thereby became extinct." "Portsmouth was located in Norfolk County, which is now extinct. It was named by its founder, William Crawford, for the English seaport and was established in 1752. Portsmouth was incorporated as a town in 1836 and as a city in 1858." On Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:33:09 EST [email protected] writes: >Would anyone happen to know what county Norfolk, VA was in during the middle >to late 1800's? I've been told that it now is not in a county. ___________________________________________________________________

Susan, The Norfolk County Historical Society membership is open to all interested persons. Dues are $7.50 a year. Send your name address and telephone number with check made payable to Norfolk County Historical Society at 298 Cedar Rd. Chesapeake VA 23320. Members are notified by mail of the three yearly membership meetings and the annual dinner meeting. The mailings will include some articles of historical interest. The Society sponsors historical and genealogy programs, publishes and sells some good books on local history, volunteers in the Wallace Memorial Room (The Wallace Memorial Room is part of the Chesapeake Central Library at 300 Cedar Rd. that emphasizes the City of Chesapeake), and partners with other organizations on projects of local interest ie Civil War Days in Sept., Battle of Great Bridge(Rev. War.) program in Dec., Scottish weekend June. There are several other Genealogy and Historical groups in the area. Will gather information on them and post them here later! I will need to do some research on the available court records and dates in each city. That is on my list of things to do in February! Dee

I'm looking for information on a man, Kempis SPEAR, who lived in Portsmouth, VA in the 1920 Census and is listed as a Mail Carrier....Is there anyway to get information on a Mail Carrier that long ago????...thanks for any help....Susan

1920 Census... Local Community: Portsmouth Ward: Lee (part 1) Date of Census: 10 Jan 1920 Supervisor's District: 348 (crossed out) 2 (written in) Enumeration district #174 Enumerator: Alfred Brawer Address: 901 Forth Street Dwelling #14, Family #15.... 7 men listed living in this house...head of household...Kempis SPEAR...occupation: mail carrier for the post office.... any help greatly appreciated....where would I look for further information...thanks...Susan

I just received info from a 1920 Census...could someone give me an idea of where this is..... Local Community - Pleasant Grove District County - Norfolk Census Date - 26 Feb 1920 Supervisor's District# 348(crossed out) 2 (then written) Enumeration District# 132 Enumerator: T. E. Etheridge The address was listed as: Benefit Rd to Cornland...listed as a farm, Dwelling #114, Family #124. Head of Household....Andrew O. Spear....Employer listed as "OA"....No. of farm schedule #81. Can anyone help me....where am I?????? Thanks....Susan

Hi Dee, Thanks for the info!>smile< Can you do me a great big favor Dee? Can you call the cities and find out who has what books and from what years to what years, especially for guardianship records? I really need information on guardianship records in the city of Norfolk for the year 1860 to 1875. My great grand dad was placed into an orphanage and I have no way to trace our entire family without knowing what books they house there. My ancestor was placed into an orphanage in what would be the downtown area of what is now the city of Norfolk. When I called the Chesapeake courthouse, they told me that they did not have those books and that Norfolk would have them. I really need to know who has these guardianship records, as you might imagine. By the way, how do we join the Norfolk county Historical Society, do you know? Do they have an address? Thanks a bunch, Susan --------------------------------------------------------------- THE PAST EXPLAINS THE PRESENT JENKINS/DAVIS/GAYLE/SMITH/MURRAY/ GODWIN/PARKER/WHITEHEAD/FRAZIER/CURRIN --------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

To Susan, Susan, and all, It does get confusing on the various cities in Norfolk County. The Norfolk County Historical Society has a concise 2 paragraphs with some dates that may help clarify as follows: "In 1636, less than three decades after the settling of Jamestown, New Norfolk was formed from Elizabeth City County, one of the nine original shires of the Colony of Virginia. In 1637, New Norfolk was divided into Lower Norfolk County and Upper Norfolk County. Lower Norfolk County encompasses the area that is now the cities of Chesapeake, Norfolk, Portsmouth, and Virginia Beach. Lower Norfolk County's first court was held on May 15, 1637, and was presided over by Captain Adam Thoroughgood. Chesapeake is the most direct descendent of Lower Norfolk County. The records housed in care of the Chesapeake's Clerk of the Circuit Court are the oldest records held by any of the four cities that were once Lower Norfolk County: they date back to 1637 and the first court held in the jurisdiction." Hope this helps. Dee

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Does anyone have access to any marriage records for the Norfolk / Portsmouth, VA area...I'm looking for the following marriages in that area around late 1910's early 1920's: 1. Marriage of Andrew Oscar Spear (Norfolk, VA 1920 Census) and Hannah______ 2. Marriage of Kemphis Q. Spear (Portsmouth, VA 1920 Census) and ?????? thanks for any help....Susan

Hi Susan, In 1920..Portsmouth was in Norfolk county, VA..but it was it's own city..it was the county seat of Portsmouth in those years...but it was still a part of Norfolk county, if you are looking for information for that year..you need to check the city of Portsmouth..after a time (please check the Norfolk county evolution..cause I can't remember the dates here)..the city of Chesapeake took over part of the city of Portsmouth and also the city of Norfolk VA..the city of Chesapeake came in and took the records from both cities, and now the city of Chesapeake has certain records..the city of Portsmouth has certain records(not many)..and the city of Norfolk has certain records..(should mention that also Princess Anne county was a part of Norfolk county at one time..then Princess Ann county became what is now the city of Virginia Beach...also originally there was Elizabeth city county that was the first settled part of Norfolk county..and now those records are in the city of Hampton, VA).. I know this is confusing! I have lived here for 50 years and am just now learning about the county split ups..=) In other words, if you are looking for someone who lived in a certain section of Norfolk VA say, back in 1870..well you have to know "exactly where they lived..with an old city of Norfolk VA city directory..that and the help of the man at the Kirn Memorial Library named Robert Kinney.." because even if your ancestor was living in a part of Norfolk where the convention center is located "now" (called Scope..)..then you have to go to Chesapeake city now for "those" records. I'm telling you more than you want to know..mainly for one reason..if you need to search anyone else in other years..for Norfolk county..then this might help you or whoever reads this post..but for 1920 the records for Portsmouth would now be in the city of Portsmouth...if I have mixed things up and anyone can add/subtract from what I have posted..please feel free to correct me=) Susan in Tidewater VA >X-Message: #1 >Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:16:15 EST >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: [VANORFOL-L] Norfolk and Portsmouth... >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > >I'm a little confused are Norfolk and Portsmouth in the same county? >Were >they in the same county in 1920 when the 1920 census was taken. I'm >looking >for family in Norfolk and family in Portsmouth...thanks...Susan > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

I'm looking for my SPEAR family in Norfolk/ Portsmouth/ Chesapeake areas...my great grandfather, Andrew Oscar SPEAR and his wife Hanna, are listed in the 1920 Census as living in Norfolk. His son, Kemphis Q. Spear, is listed as "lodging" in Portsmouth. His son, Earl E. Spear (my grandfather), is also listed in Norfolk. Someone just sent me information this morning that there was a Spear's Restaurant in Chesapeake, VA in the 1960's....can anyone help me....thanks Susan