Stephe--Not your fault. If this branch were normal people the marriage record you found would have helped clear things up. It didn't. I rest my case. --------- With reference to the land records in Dixon: They're very hard to interpret. The problem is John (1799)'s first son (maybe; apparently he might be wife Chloe's son from a conjectural prior marriage) signed himself James M. Van Arnam. Unfortunately that's the way John's considerably younger brother, James Madison VA, signed himself, too, and there are indications he was probably the "James M. Van Arnams" in at least some of these Dixon area land deals. (James Madison and youngest of the brothers, Damen, seem to have come at least occasionally to the Marengo area around 1844. I haven't found anything to indicate either ever "lived" in Dixon. They moved to Walnut in Bureau County in 1849 when the last of the Illinois Bounty Lands opened for settlement and lived about 1/4 mile from each other there until Damen disappeared on a land-buying trip into Dakota Territory about 1870. From family memory, Damen was what you call "a wheeler dealer".) Linda--With reference to Daniel Mason, as I recall, he was another early Dixon settler a year or so before John Van Arnam. I think they were partners in a grist mill for a while until John decamped Dixon around 1844. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Wood" <stephe.w300@gmail.com> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Double Van Arnam (etc.) family connection > Boy, did I open a can of worms on this one!!!! > > Stephe > > On 11/10/10, Pete Gonigam <gonigam@hotmail.com> wrote: >> It's why I stopped working on this line 10 years ago and why I'm going >> after >> original records now. There's something desperately screwed up here. >> And I >> can't even blame it on half-fast Internet people. >> >> --pete >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Linda Schwenn" <schwel@comcast.net> >> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:54 AM >> Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Double Van Arnam (etc.) family connection >> >> >>> FYI: >>> State of Illinois online marriage database: >>> >>> HUMPHREY, G H VANARMAN, MAUD >>> 1870-08-25 001/ FINK COOK >>> HUMPHREY, GRIFFITH H VANARMAN, LIZZIE MRS >>> 1870-08-21 A/ 101 4011 MC HENRY >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Stephen Wood <stephe.w300@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> While I was going through records on the net this past week, I >>>> stumbled upon the following index to this marriage record. [at: >>>> beta.familysearch.org] >>>> >>>> Hiram M. Van Arman; born Cleveland Ohio; son of Richard H. & Elizabeth >>>> Van Arman; to Melissa Daman; daughter of Amos & Elizabeth Daman >>>> married 29 May 1862 in Shullsburg, La Fayette, Lafayette County, >>>> Wisconsin. >>>> >>>> Not only was this (first) marriage of Hiram's unknown to myself, as a >>>> 1907 writeup in "History of the State of California and biographical >>>> record of Oakland and environs" for the Hon. Hiram Miller Van Arman >>>> (1839 - 1904) only mentions his widow Isabella Haines, whom he had wed >>>> by 1870, but it shed some light on another puzzle that had been around >>>> for a number of years. >>>> >>>> Melissa A. Daman (c1839/40 Illinois - prob. 1881 Illinois) has >>>> turned out to likely be a first cousin of Hiram, the daughter of Amos >>>> Daman / Damon and Elizabeth "Eliza" Van Arnam (c1800 NY - prob. 1888 >>>> Illinois). She was residing as M. Van Arman with her mother in the >>>> 1870 census return of Marengo, McHenry County, Illinois, but likely >>>> remarried to a Mr. Humphrey sometime prior to the 1880 census when she >>>> was [probably] listed with her mother as "Maud" Humphrey. >>>> >>>> Pete and I believe that Elizabeth is the daughter of Jacob Van >>>> Arnam & Catharina Hemstraet, as was Richard H. Van Arman (c1803/6 NY - >>>> 1881 CA), the father of Hiram. [FYI - This Jacob is the common >>>> ancestor for both Pete and I, but we descend from different wives.] >>>> >>>> There are several Daman family outlines on Rootsweb's Worldconnect >>>> project, but my research appears to differ slightly from what is >>>> posted for the children. [I can't connect the 2 eldest sons at the >>>> moment, so I won't post their information] >>>> >>>> Based on the 1830,1840 and later census returns for Amos & Elizabeth >>>> Daman, the family appears to consist of the following children: >>>> >>>> son b. 1821/25 >>>> son b. 1821/25 >>>> Eliza b. 1825/30 m. Elisha Lamphear Jr. >>>> 1843 >>>> Ill. >>>> Harriet Arvilla b. 1828/29 Ohio m. Amos B. Coon 1846 >>>> Ill. >>>> Ann C. b. c1831 Ohio m. John Clark >>>> 1856 >>>> Ill. >>>> George Washington b. c1835 MI m.1) Caroline M. Blake 1856 Wis. >>>> m.2) Matilda S. >>>> Marsh 1890 Neb. >>>> Melissa A. [Maud?] b. 1839/40 Ill. m.1) Miller Van Arman 1862 Wis. >>>> m.2) >>>> Humphrey 187? >>>> >>>> >>>> Here are the two early census returns for Amos & Elizabeth, with >>>> corresponding given names as I perceive them to be: >>>> >>>> 1830 census Leroy township, Geauga County, Ohio - Possible entry >>>> Amos Deming >>>> 2 males 5-9 ? & ? >>>> 1 male 30-39 Amos >>>> 2 females under 5 Eliza & "Hattie" >>>> 1 female 15-19 ? >>>> 1 female 30-39 Eliza >>>> >>>> ! 1840 census McHenry County, Illinois >>>> Amos Daman >>>> 1 male 5-9; George W >>>> 2 males 15-19; ? & ? >>>> 1 male 30-39 Amos >>>> 1 female under 5; Melissa A. >>>> 1 female 5-9; Ann C. >>>> 2 females 10-14; Eliza & "Hattie" >>>> 1 female 30-39. Eliza >>>> >>>> The hunt for additional information goes on..... >>>> >>>> Stephen >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >