Papers of Ulysses S. Grant: June 1, 1871-January 31, 1872, p 93 By Ulysses Simpson Grant, John Y. Simon, Ulysses S. Grant Association Google Books. [Google Search string: "Territory of Arizona, secretary Van Arman"] A plaintive letter to authorities during the US Grant administration from Henry Van Arman 11 Oct 1871 from Sacaton, Arizona Territory, describes how he and his nephew, after arriving in the spring of 1870 from the "ledmines" by wagon train across the Missouri River, constructed irrigation ditches to prepare their newly purchased land on the Salt River for farming, spending nearly all what remained of the $2800 they took west with them. While they were away, Indians came and destroyed it all. He had complained to the Indian agent without redress and is pleading for it now. It appears to be part of an investigation of abuses by and/or threats toward the Indian agent. "On Oct. 11, Henry Van Arman, Sacaton, Arizona Territory, wrote to USG "haveing left our home in the ledmines two-years ago last my for the west my self and Nephew with the Sad to be the best waggon and team that had crossed the Mo River that Season and $2800 twenty eight hundred Dollars in Cash we brought upon Salt River in this territory about 18 month Since whare we located farms and constructed a canal or ditch about 3 miles in length for the purposs of irrogateing our farms which cost us evry thing we had Save our groing Crop and improvenants which if we could have Saved would made us quite independant but while absent for a few days leaveing my house in care of a neighbor to attend to the Merricopa and Pemi or Pemoi Indians Made a raid upon my place and Destroid evry thing we had a full Statementment of which we have forwarded to the indian department with our affidavits and other testimony now my good President Since doing this we are told unless we employ a lobby lawyer we will not get any thing in 3 or 4 years and then it will take all we claim to pay him --I am now working for the Indian agent at Gila reservation whare I mit in person Mr. Vincent Colier and Stated our Situation to him and he told me he would do all he could for me. Since the I have been told by one in authority that he, colier receives thousand of letters that he never reads them and will probably neve think of me again now my Drs I am 53 years of age have spent all the best part of my life in the mines you must know about what I am at this time of life and how well I am capasitated to work by the month for my living which this misfortune compels me to do which is terable on me allthough this agen is a verry good Man to work for --now I will close by Saying in gods name help me if you can, and please let me know at your earleyst convenience Direct to Gila reservation A. T. in care of J. H. Stout of whom you can ask any question relative to me you please and he will answer" ALS, ibid., RG 75, Letters Received, Arizona Superintendency." Linda Schwenn

There's a possibility this Henry is connected to the Jacob (1773) line somehow. Mostly on the basis of the "ledmines" mentioned in his letter. Jacob's son Richard (H or M or maybe A) Van Arnam was located in Galena, IL, from, near as I can tell, about 1845 to perhaps as late as around 1870. Galena was originally all about mining lead. This Henry claims to be 53 in 1871 and "spent all the best part of my life in the mines" which more or less fits Galena Richard's apparent timing. Problem is this Henry's age would make him born about 1818. That makes him too old to be one of Richard's children. On the other hand, we actually have what appears to be a reliable list of Jacob's children and there's no Henry on it. (Not to mention Henry isn't a name that belongs in the line, anyway.) There are a number of other U.S. "strays" that might connect with the Richard of Galena line but I haven't been able to find proof either way for 10 years now. --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Schwenn" <schwel@comcast.net> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:31 AM Subject: [VANNORMAN] Henry Van Arnam, 1818- 1871+, in Arizona Territory 1871 > Papers of Ulysses S. Grant: June 1, 1871-January 31, 1872, p 93 By > Ulysses > Simpson Grant, John Y. Simon, Ulysses S. Grant Association > Google Books. [Google Search string: "Territory of Arizona, secretary Van > Arman"] > A plaintive letter to authorities during the US Grant administration from > Henry Van Arman 11 Oct 1871 from Sacaton, Arizona Territory, describes how > he and his nephew, after arriving in the spring of 1870 from the > "ledmines" > by wagon train across the Missouri River, constructed irrigation ditches > to > prepare their newly purchased land on the Salt River for farming, spending > nearly all what remained of the $2800 they took west with them. While they > were away, Indians came and destroyed it all. He had complained to the > Indian agent without redress and is pleading for it now. It appears to be > part of an investigation of abuses by and/or threats toward the Indian > agent. > > "On Oct. 11, Henry Van Arman, Sacaton, Arizona Territory, wrote to USG > "haveing left our home in the ledmines two-years ago last my for the west > my > self and Nephew with the Sad to be the best waggon and team that had > crossed > the Mo River that Season and $2800 twenty eight hundred Dollars in Cash we > brought upon Salt River in this territory about 18 month Since whare we > located farms and constructed a canal or ditch about 3 miles in length for > the purposs of irrogateing our farms which cost us evry thing we had Save > our groing Crop and improvenants which if we could have Saved would made > us > quite independant but while absent for a few days leaveing my house in > care > of a neighbor to attend to the Merricopa and Pemi or Pemoi Indians Made a > raid upon my place and Destroid evry thing we had a full Statementment of > which we have forwarded to the indian department with our affidavits and > other testimony now my good President Since doing this we are told > unless > we employ a lobby lawyer we will not get any thing in 3 or 4 years and > then > it will take all we claim to pay him --I am now working for the Indian > agent > at Gila reservation whare I mit in person Mr. Vincent Colier and Stated > our > Situation to him and he told me he would do all he could for me. Since the > I > have been told by one in authority that he, colier receives thousand of > letters that he never reads them and will probably neve think of me again > now my Drs I am 53 years of age have spent all the best part of my life in > the mines you must know about what I am at this time of life and how well > I > am capasitated to work by the month for my living which this misfortune > compels me to do which is terable on me allthough this agen is a verry > good > Man to work for --now I will close by Saying in gods name help me if you > can, and please let me know at your earleyst convenience Direct to Gila > reservation A. T. in care of J. H. Stout of whom you can ask any question > relative to me you please and he will answer" ALS, ibid., RG 75, Letters > Received, Arizona Superintendency." > > Linda Schwenn > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi All, Just to let you know there are lead mines in Ohio, Kentucky and Missouri. I know because I followed another ancestor from the lead mines of Kentucky to Ohio, Illinois and Missouri. Linda On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Pete Gonigam wrote: > There's a possibility this Henry is connected to the Jacob (1773) line > somehow. Mostly on the basis of the "ledmines" mentioned in his letter. > Jacob's son Richard (H or M or maybe A) Van Arnam was located in Galena, IL, > from, near as I can tell, about 1845 to perhaps as late as around 1870. > Galena was originally all about mining lead. > > This Henry claims to be 53 in 1871 and "spent all the best part of my life > in the mines" which more or less fits Galena Richard's apparent timing. > Problem is this Henry's age would make him born about 1818. That makes him > too old to be one of Richard's children. On the other hand, we actually > have what appears to be a reliable list of Jacob's children and there's no > Henry on it. (Not to mention Henry isn't a name that belongs in the line, > anyway.) > > There are a number of other U.S. "strays" that might connect with the > Richard of Galena line but I haven't been able to find proof either way for > 10 years now. > > --pete > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Schwenn" <schwel@comcast.net> > To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:31 AM > Subject: [VANNORMAN] Henry Van Arnam, 1818- 1871+, in Arizona Territory 1871 > > >> Papers of Ulysses S. Grant: June 1, 1871-January 31, 1872, p 93 By >> Ulysses >> Simpson Grant, John Y. Simon, Ulysses S. Grant Association >> Google Books. [Google Search string: "Territory of Arizona, secretary Van >> Arman"] >> A plaintive letter to authorities during the US Grant administration from >> Henry Van Arman 11 Oct 1871 from Sacaton, Arizona Territory, describes how >> he and his nephew, after arriving in the spring of 1870 from the >> "ledmines" >> by wagon train across the Missouri River, constructed irrigation ditches >> to >> prepare their newly purchased land on the Salt River for farming, spending >> nearly all what remained of the $2800 they took west with them. While they >> were away, Indians came and destroyed it all. He had complained to the >> Indian agent without redress and is pleading for it now. It appears to be >> part of an investigation of abuses by and/or threats toward the Indian >> agent. >> >> "On Oct. 11, Henry Van Arman, Sacaton, Arizona Territory, wrote to USG >> "haveing left our home in the ledmines two-years ago last my for the west >> my >> self and Nephew with the Sad to be the best waggon and team that had >> crossed >> the Mo River that Season and $2800 twenty eight hundred Dollars in Cash we >> brought upon Salt River in this territory about 18 month Since whare we >> located farms and constructed a canal or ditch about 3 miles in length for >> the purposs of irrogateing our farms which cost us evry thing we had Save >> our groing Crop and improvenants which if we could have Saved would made >> us >> quite independant but while absent for a few days leaveing my house in >> care >> of a neighbor to attend to the Merricopa and Pemi or Pemoi Indians Made a >> raid upon my place and Destroid evry thing we had a full Statementment of >> which we have forwarded to the indian department with our affidavits and >> other testimony now my good President Since doing this we are told >> unless >> we employ a lobby lawyer we will not get any thing in 3 or 4 years and >> then >> it will take all we claim to pay him --I am now working for the Indian >> agent >> at Gila reservation whare I mit in person Mr. Vincent Colier and Stated >> our >> Situation to him and he told me he would do all he could for me. Since the >> I >> have been told by one in authority that he, colier receives thousand of >> letters that he never reads them and will probably neve think of me again >> now my Drs I am 53 years of age have spent all the best part of my life in >> the mines you must know about what I am at this time of life and how well >> I >> am capasitated to work by the month for my living which this misfortune >> compels me to do which is terable on me allthough this agen is a verry >> good >> Man to work for --now I will close by Saying in gods name help me if you >> can, and please let me know at your earleyst convenience Direct to Gila >> reservation A. T. in care of J. H. Stout of whom you can ask any question >> relative to me you please and he will answer" ALS, ibid., RG 75, Letters >> Received, Arizona Superintendency." >> >> Linda Schwenn >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, but were they there in the 1840's? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Noggle" <lindanoggle@verizon.net> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Henry Van Arnam, 1818- 1871+,in Arizona Territory 1871 > Hi All, > > Just to let you know there are lead mines in Ohio, Kentucky and Missouri. > > I know because I followed another ancestor from the lead mines of Kentucky > to Ohio, Illinois and Missouri. > > Linda > On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Pete Gonigam wrote: > >> There's a possibility this Henry is connected to the Jacob (1773) line >> somehow. Mostly on the basis of the "ledmines" mentioned in his letter. >> Jacob's son Richard (H or M or maybe A) Van Arnam was located in Galena, >> IL, >> from, near as I can tell, about 1845 to perhaps as late as around 1870. >> Galena was originally all about mining lead. >> >> This Henry claims to be 53 in 1871 and "spent all the best part of my >> life >> in the mines" which more or less fits Galena Richard's apparent timing. >> Problem is this Henry's age would make him born about 1818. That makes >> him >> too old to be one of Richard's children. On the other hand, we actually >> have what appears to be a reliable list of Jacob's children and there's >> no >> Henry on it. (Not to mention Henry isn't a name that belongs in the >> line, >> anyway.) >> >> There are a number of other U.S. "strays" that might connect with the >> Richard of Galena line but I haven't been able to find proof either way >> for >> 10 years now. >> >> --pete >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Linda Schwenn" <schwel@comcast.net> >> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:31 AM >> Subject: [VANNORMAN] Henry Van Arnam, 1818- 1871+, in Arizona Territory >> 1871 >> >> >>> Papers of Ulysses S. Grant: June 1, 1871-January 31, 1872, p 93 By >>> Ulysses >>> Simpson Grant, John Y. Simon, Ulysses S. Grant Association >>> Google Books. [Google Search string: "Territory of Arizona, secretary >>> Van >>> Arman"] >>> A plaintive letter to authorities during the US Grant administration >>> from >>> Henry Van Arman 11 Oct 1871 from Sacaton, Arizona Territory, describes >>> how >>> he and his nephew, after arriving in the spring of 1870 from the >>> "ledmines" >>> by wagon train across the Missouri River, constructed irrigation >>> ditches >>> to >>> prepare their newly purchased land on the Salt River for farming, >>> spending >>> nearly all what remained of the $2800 they took west with them. While >>> they >>> were away, Indians came and destroyed it all. He had complained to the >>> Indian agent without redress and is pleading for it now. It appears to >>> be >>> part of an investigation of abuses by and/or threats toward the Indian >>> agent. >>> >>> "On Oct. 11, Henry Van Arman, Sacaton, Arizona Territory, wrote to USG >>> "haveing left our home in the ledmines two-years ago last my for the >>> west >>> my >>> self and Nephew with the Sad to be the best waggon and team that had >>> crossed >>> the Mo River that Season and $2800 twenty eight hundred Dollars in Cash >>> we >>> brought upon Salt River in this territory about 18 month Since whare we >>> located farms and constructed a canal or ditch about 3 miles in length >>> for >>> the purposs of irrogateing our farms which cost us evry thing we had >>> Save >>> our groing Crop and improvenants which if we could have Saved would made >>> us >>> quite independant but while absent for a few days leaveing my house in >>> care >>> of a neighbor to attend to the Merricopa and Pemi or Pemoi Indians Made >>> a >>> raid upon my place and Destroid evry thing we had a full Statementment >>> of >>> which we have forwarded to the indian department with our affidavits and >>> other testimony now my good President Since doing this we are told >>> unless >>> we employ a lobby lawyer we will not get any thing in 3 or 4 years and >>> then >>> it will take all we claim to pay him --I am now working for the Indian >>> agent >>> at Gila reservation whare I mit in person Mr. Vincent Colier and Stated >>> our >>> Situation to him and he told me he would do all he could for me. Since >>> the >>> I >>> have been told by one in authority that he, colier receives thousand of >>> letters that he never reads them and will probably neve think of me >>> again >>> now my Drs I am 53 years of age have spent all the best part of my life >>> in >>> the mines you must know about what I am at this time of life and how >>> well >>> I >>> am capasitated to work by the month for my living which this misfortune >>> compels me to do which is terable on me allthough this agen is a verry >>> good >>> Man to work for --now I will close by Saying in gods name help me if you >>> can, and please let me know at your earleyst convenience Direct to Gila >>> reservation A. T. in care of J. H. Stout of whom you can ask any >>> question >>> relative to me you please and he will answer" ALS, ibid., RG 75, Letters >>> Received, Arizona Superintendency." >>> >>> Linda Schwenn >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >