In 1847 John Van Arnam enlisted in the Mexican War. He was 21 and born in Lockport, NY. Enlistment place: Dixon [no state given. The list includes various states/places] Occupation: stage driver. 16th Infantry Regiment. Discharged Aug 7, 1848, expiration of service, at Newport, KY. A musician. Source: Ancestry.com "U.S. Army, Register of Enlistments, 1798-1914 Record for John Vanaenam" (In the original it looks more like Van Arnam) Is this an early son of John 1801-1859 and Chloe Van Arnam? And does it tie into the PA Van Normans? 1840 census: Dixon, Lee, IL M:1 under 5, 1 5–9, 2 15–19, 7 20–29, 4 30–39, 1 free colored male 36 – 54 1850: Dixon, Lee, IL wife Chloe is there b 1807 NY with several children. Linda Schwenn

Hi! The following information may apply to the same John Van Arnam / Van Arman. I had guessed that this pertained to John, son of John Van Arnum & Tamar Dewey, because of his occupation and Michigan location at that date, but I could be in error. The following was taken from: http://www.eaton.migenweb.net/pageone.htm History of Eaton County, Michigan (snip) The grand jury came in with indictments and were discharged. The next day, November 14, 1851, was the last of the county court. It ended in open rebellion against the judge. When the judge ordered Mr. Shaw to pay a fine of five dollars Mr. Shaw is said to have retorted, “Fine and be d---d.” For this the judge ordered him imprisoned for five days, and the sheriff was ordered to arrest him. John Van Arman, Henry A. Shaw, Martin S. Bracket, C. C. Chatfield, and quite a number of other attorneys stood up in battle array, some with their coats off and shirt sleeves rolled up (instead of having their black gowns on), and gave the judge and sheriff to understand that not one of their number could be taken out of that bar. The sheriff stood hesitating at the entrance, when some of them in friendly tones assured him that he had better not try to come in there. He probably saw at a glance that the caution was given him for his good. They were many of them men whom it would be difficult to handle. M. S. Bracket bore the reputation of being physically the most powerful man in the county. Spectators say that as he bared his arms muscles and tendons rose up like whip-cords. Mr. Shaw was tall, quick and powerful--he had nearly broken the next of an antagonist by kicking him under the chin while standing before him. John Van Arman had been a soldier in the Mexican war and looked as if he would rather fight than eat. No arrest was made. A jury of twelve men sat looking on. Some of them afterwards censured the sheriff for not calling on them for help. This is not likely a son of John (1801 - 1859) & Chloe Van Arnam. >From John's will and Chloe's 1839 petition, we know that there were 7 children in the family - although the father of the eldest son James may not be John Van Arnam - and they didn't have a son John...... The John of "John & Chloe" is likely one of the New York Van Arnam's, and quite possibly the other John of "John & Tamar" descends from this line too.... Stephen P.S. You have good timing - I just found that quote about John in the Mexican War a couple of days ago! On 11/4/10, Linda Schwenn <schwel@comcast.net> wrote: > In 1847 John Van Arnam enlisted in the Mexican War. He was 21 and born in > Lockport, NY. Enlistment place: Dixon [no state given. The list includes > various states/places] Occupation: stage driver. 16th Infantry Regiment. > Discharged Aug 7, 1848, expiration of service, at Newport, KY. A musician. > > Source: Ancestry.com "U.S. Army, Register of Enlistments, 1798-1914 Record > for John Vanaenam" (In the original it looks more like Van Arnam) > > Is this an early son of John 1801-1859 and Chloe Van Arnam? And does it tie > into the PA Van Normans? > 1840 census: Dixon, Lee, IL M:1 under 5, 1 5–9, 2 15–19, 7 20–29, 4 > 30–39, 1 free colored male 36 – 54 > 1850: Dixon, Lee, IL wife Chloe is there b 1807 NY with several children. > > Linda Schwenn > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Do you have the text or link to John's will and to Chloe's 1839 petition? I have 7 children not including John and I'd like to see if my list matches. Linda It's interesting that Chloe's son Williard went to California, also occupation stage driver. On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Stephen Wood <stephe.w300@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi! > > The following information may apply to the same John Van Arnam / > Van Arman. I had guessed that this pertained to John, son of John Van > Arnum & Tamar Dewey, because of his occupation and Michigan location > at that date, but I could be in error. > > The following was taken from: http://www.eaton.migenweb.net/pageone.htm > > History of Eaton County, Michigan > > (snip) > The grand jury came in with indictments and were discharged. The next > day, November 14, 1851, was the last of the county court. It ended in > open rebellion against the judge. When the judge ordered Mr. Shaw to > pay a fine of five dollars Mr. Shaw is said to have retorted, “Fine > and be d---d.” For this the judge ordered him imprisoned for five > days, and the sheriff was ordered to arrest him. John Van Arman, Henry > A. Shaw, Martin S. Bracket, C. C. Chatfield, and quite a number of > other attorneys stood up in battle array, some with their coats off > and shirt sleeves rolled up (instead of having their black gowns on), > and gave the judge and sheriff to understand that not one of their > number could be taken out of that bar. The sheriff stood hesitating at > the entrance, when some of them in friendly tones assured him that he > had better not try to come in there. He probably saw at a glance that > the caution was given him for his good. They were many of them men > whom it would be difficult to handle. M. S. Bracket bore the > reputation of being physically the most powerful man in the county. > Spectators say that as he bared his arms muscles and tendons rose up > like whip-cords. Mr. Shaw was tall, quick and powerful--he had nearly > broken the next of an antagonist by kicking him under the chin while > standing before him. John Van Arman had been a soldier in the Mexican > war and looked as if he would rather fight than eat. No arrest was > made. A jury of twelve men sat looking on. Some of them afterwards > censured the sheriff for not calling on them for help. > > This is not likely a son of John (1801 - 1859) & Chloe Van Arnam. > >From John's will and Chloe's 1839 petition, we know that there were 7 > children in the family - although the father of the eldest son James > may not be John Van Arnam - and they didn't have a son John...... > > The John of "John & Chloe" is likely one of the New York Van > Arnam's, and quite possibly the other John of "John & Tamar" descends > from this line too.... > > Stephen > > P.S. You have good timing - I just found that quote about John in the > Mexican War a couple of days ago! > > On 11/4/10, Linda Schwenn <schwel@comcast.net> wrote: > > In 1847 John Van Arnam enlisted in the Mexican War. He was 21 and born > in > > Lockport, NY. Enlistment place: Dixon [no state given. The list includes > > various states/places] Occupation: stage driver. 16th Infantry > Regiment. > > Discharged Aug 7, 1848, expiration of service, at Newport, KY. A > musician. > > > > Source: Ancestry.com "U.S. Army, Register of Enlistments, 1798-1914 > Record > > for John Vanaenam" (In the original it looks more like Van Arnam) > > > > Is this an early son of John 1801-1859 and Chloe Van Arnam? And does it > tie > > into the PA Van Normans? > > 1840 census: Dixon, Lee, IL M:1 under 5, 1 5–9, 2 15–19, 7 20–29, 4 > > 30–39, 1 free colored male 36 – 54 > > 1850: Dixon, Lee, IL wife Chloe is there b 1807 NY with several > children. > > > > Linda Schwenn > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

John Van Arnam, musician in the Illinois Infantry in the Mexican War, was the son of John (1799 I think) Van Arnam of Dixon, son of Jacob (1773) VA and Catherina Haemstraet (various spellings) originally of Brunswick Center, NY. Researcher Betty Rainey has a letter John sent from Mexico to his mother Chloe in Dixon. --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Schwenn" <schwel@comcast.net> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 4:59 PM Subject: [VANNORMAN] John Van Arnam, b 1826 Lockport, NY In 1847 John Van Arnam enlisted in the Mexican War. He was 21 and born in Lockport, NY. Enlistment place: Dixon [no state given. The list includes various states/places] Occupation: stage driver. 16th Infantry Regiment. Discharged Aug 7, 1848, expiration of service, at Newport, KY. A musician. Source: Ancestry.com "U.S. Army, Register of Enlistments, 1798-1914 Record for John Vanaenam" (In the original it looks more like Van Arnam) Is this an early son of John 1801-1859 and Chloe Van Arnam? And does it tie into the PA Van Normans? 1840 census: Dixon, Lee, IL M:1 under 5, 1 5–9, 2 15–19, 7 20–29, 4 30–39, 1 free colored male 36 – 54 1850: Dixon, Lee, IL wife Chloe is there b 1807 NY with several children. Linda Schwenn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Pete. Do you know where John went after the war? Linda On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Pete Gonigam <gonigam@hotmail.com> wrote: > John Van Arnam, musician in the Illinois Infantry in the Mexican War, was > the son of John (1799 I think) Van Arnam of Dixon, son of Jacob (1773) VA > and Catherina Haemstraet (various spellings) originally of Brunswick > Center, > NY. > > Researcher Betty Rainey has a letter John sent from Mexico to his mother > Chloe in Dixon. > > --pete > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Schwenn" <schwel@comcast.net> > To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 4:59 PM > Subject: [VANNORMAN] John Van Arnam, b 1826 Lockport, NY > > > In 1847 John Van Arnam enlisted in the Mexican War. He was 21 and born in > Lockport, NY. Enlistment place: Dixon [no state given. The list includes > various states/places] Occupation: stage driver. 16th Infantry Regiment. > Discharged Aug 7, 1848, expiration of service, at Newport, KY. A musician. > > Source: Ancestry.com "U.S. Army, Register of Enlistments, 1798-1914 Record > for John Vanaenam" (In the original it looks more like Van Arnam) > > Is this an early son of John 1801-1859 and Chloe Van Arnam? And does it > tie > into the PA Van Normans? > 1840 census: Dixon, Lee, IL M:1 under 5, 1 5–9, 2 15–19, 7 20–29, 4 > 30–39, 1 free colored male 36 – 54 > 1850: Dixon, Lee, IL wife Chloe is there b 1807 NY with several children. > > Linda Schwenn > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >