FYI: State of Illinois online marriage database: HUMPHREY, G H VANARMAN, MAUD 1870-08-25 001/ FINK COOK HUMPHREY, GRIFFITH H VANARMAN, LIZZIE MRS 1870-08-21 A/ 101 4011 MC HENRY On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Stephen Wood <stephe.w300@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi! > > While I was going through records on the net this past week, I > stumbled upon the following index to this marriage record. [at: > beta.familysearch.org] > > Hiram M. Van Arman; born Cleveland Ohio; son of Richard H. & Elizabeth > Van Arman; to Melissa Daman; daughter of Amos & Elizabeth Daman > married 29 May 1862 in Shullsburg, La Fayette, Lafayette County, > Wisconsin. > > Not only was this (first) marriage of Hiram's unknown to myself, as a > 1907 writeup in "History of the State of California and biographical > record of Oakland and environs" for the Hon. Hiram Miller Van Arman > (1839 - 1904) only mentions his widow Isabella Haines, whom he had wed > by 1870, but it shed some light on another puzzle that had been around > for a number of years. > > Melissa A. Daman (c1839/40 Illinois - prob. 1881 Illinois) has > turned out to likely be a first cousin of Hiram, the daughter of Amos > Daman / Damon and Elizabeth "Eliza" Van Arnam (c1800 NY - prob. 1888 > Illinois). She was residing as M. Van Arman with her mother in the > 1870 census return of Marengo, McHenry County, Illinois, but likely > remarried to a Mr. Humphrey sometime prior to the 1880 census when she > was [probably] listed with her mother as "Maud" Humphrey. > > Pete and I believe that Elizabeth is the daughter of Jacob Van > Arnam & Catharina Hemstraet, as was Richard H. Van Arman (c1803/6 NY - > 1881 CA), the father of Hiram. [FYI - This Jacob is the common > ancestor for both Pete and I, but we descend from different wives.] > > There are several Daman family outlines on Rootsweb's Worldconnect > project, but my research appears to differ slightly from what is > posted for the children. [I can't connect the 2 eldest sons at the > moment, so I won't post their information] > > Based on the 1830,1840 and later census returns for Amos & Elizabeth > Daman, the family appears to consist of the following children: > > son b. 1821/25 > son b. 1821/25 > Eliza b. 1825/30 m. Elisha Lamphear Jr. 1843 > Ill. > Harriet Arvilla b. 1828/29 Ohio m. Amos B. Coon 1846 Ill. > Ann C. b. c1831 Ohio m. John Clark 1856 > Ill. > George Washington b. c1835 MI m.1) Caroline M. Blake 1856 Wis. > m.2) Matilda S. > Marsh 1890 Neb. > Melissa A. [Maud?] b. 1839/40 Ill. m.1) Miller Van Arman 1862 Wis. > m.2) > Humphrey 187? > > > Here are the two early census returns for Amos & Elizabeth, with > corresponding given names as I perceive them to be: > > 1830 census Leroy township, Geauga County, Ohio - Possible entry > Amos Deming > 2 males 5-9 ? & ? > 1 male 30-39 Amos > 2 females under 5 Eliza & "Hattie" > 1 female 15-19 ? > 1 female 30-39 Eliza > > ! 1840 census McHenry County, Illinois > Amos Daman > 1 male 5-9; George W > 2 males 15-19; ? & ? > 1 male 30-39 Amos > 1 female under 5; Melissa A. > 1 female 5-9; Ann C. > 2 females 10-14; Eliza & "Hattie" > 1 female 30-39. Eliza > > The hunt for additional information goes on..... > > Stephen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It's why I stopped working on this line 10 years ago and why I'm going after original records now. There's something desperately screwed up here. And I can't even blame it on half-fast Internet people. --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Schwenn" <schwel@comcast.net> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Double Van Arnam (etc.) family connection > FYI: > State of Illinois online marriage database: > > HUMPHREY, G H VANARMAN, MAUD > 1870-08-25 001/ FINK COOK > HUMPHREY, GRIFFITH H VANARMAN, LIZZIE MRS > 1870-08-21 A/ 101 4011 MC HENRY > > > > On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Stephen Wood <stephe.w300@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> While I was going through records on the net this past week, I >> stumbled upon the following index to this marriage record. [at: >> beta.familysearch.org] >> >> Hiram M. Van Arman; born Cleveland Ohio; son of Richard H. & Elizabeth >> Van Arman; to Melissa Daman; daughter of Amos & Elizabeth Daman >> married 29 May 1862 in Shullsburg, La Fayette, Lafayette County, >> Wisconsin. >> >> Not only was this (first) marriage of Hiram's unknown to myself, as a >> 1907 writeup in "History of the State of California and biographical >> record of Oakland and environs" for the Hon. Hiram Miller Van Arman >> (1839 - 1904) only mentions his widow Isabella Haines, whom he had wed >> by 1870, but it shed some light on another puzzle that had been around >> for a number of years. >> >> Melissa A. Daman (c1839/40 Illinois - prob. 1881 Illinois) has >> turned out to likely be a first cousin of Hiram, the daughter of Amos >> Daman / Damon and Elizabeth "Eliza" Van Arnam (c1800 NY - prob. 1888 >> Illinois). She was residing as M. Van Arman with her mother in the >> 1870 census return of Marengo, McHenry County, Illinois, but likely >> remarried to a Mr. Humphrey sometime prior to the 1880 census when she >> was [probably] listed with her mother as "Maud" Humphrey. >> >> Pete and I believe that Elizabeth is the daughter of Jacob Van >> Arnam & Catharina Hemstraet, as was Richard H. Van Arman (c1803/6 NY - >> 1881 CA), the father of Hiram. [FYI - This Jacob is the common >> ancestor for both Pete and I, but we descend from different wives.] >> >> There are several Daman family outlines on Rootsweb's Worldconnect >> project, but my research appears to differ slightly from what is >> posted for the children. [I can't connect the 2 eldest sons at the >> moment, so I won't post their information] >> >> Based on the 1830,1840 and later census returns for Amos & Elizabeth >> Daman, the family appears to consist of the following children: >> >> son b. 1821/25 >> son b. 1821/25 >> Eliza b. 1825/30 m. Elisha Lamphear Jr. 1843 >> Ill. >> Harriet Arvilla b. 1828/29 Ohio m. Amos B. Coon 1846 >> Ill. >> Ann C. b. c1831 Ohio m. John Clark >> 1856 >> Ill. >> George Washington b. c1835 MI m.1) Caroline M. Blake 1856 Wis. >> m.2) Matilda S. >> Marsh 1890 Neb. >> Melissa A. [Maud?] b. 1839/40 Ill. m.1) Miller Van Arman 1862 Wis. >> m.2) >> Humphrey 187? >> >> >> Here are the two early census returns for Amos & Elizabeth, with >> corresponding given names as I perceive them to be: >> >> 1830 census Leroy township, Geauga County, Ohio - Possible entry >> Amos Deming >> 2 males 5-9 ? & ? >> 1 male 30-39 Amos >> 2 females under 5 Eliza & "Hattie" >> 1 female 15-19 ? >> 1 female 30-39 Eliza >> >> ! 1840 census McHenry County, Illinois >> Amos Daman >> 1 male 5-9; George W >> 2 males 15-19; ? & ? >> 1 male 30-39 Amos >> 1 female under 5; Melissa A. >> 1 female 5-9; Ann C. >> 2 females 10-14; Eliza & "Hattie" >> 1 female 30-39. Eliza >> >> The hunt for additional information goes on..... >> >> Stephen >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Boy, did I open a can of worms on this one!!!! Stephe On 11/10/10, Pete Gonigam <gonigam@hotmail.com> wrote: > It's why I stopped working on this line 10 years ago and why I'm going after > original records now. There's something desperately screwed up here. And I > can't even blame it on half-fast Internet people. > > --pete > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Schwenn" <schwel@comcast.net> > To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:54 AM > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Double Van Arnam (etc.) family connection > > >> FYI: >> State of Illinois online marriage database: >> >> HUMPHREY, G H VANARMAN, MAUD >> 1870-08-25 001/ FINK COOK >> HUMPHREY, GRIFFITH H VANARMAN, LIZZIE MRS >> 1870-08-21 A/ 101 4011 MC HENRY >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Stephen Wood <stephe.w300@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> While I was going through records on the net this past week, I >>> stumbled upon the following index to this marriage record. [at: >>> beta.familysearch.org] >>> >>> Hiram M. Van Arman; born Cleveland Ohio; son of Richard H. & Elizabeth >>> Van Arman; to Melissa Daman; daughter of Amos & Elizabeth Daman >>> married 29 May 1862 in Shullsburg, La Fayette, Lafayette County, >>> Wisconsin. >>> >>> Not only was this (first) marriage of Hiram's unknown to myself, as a >>> 1907 writeup in "History of the State of California and biographical >>> record of Oakland and environs" for the Hon. Hiram Miller Van Arman >>> (1839 - 1904) only mentions his widow Isabella Haines, whom he had wed >>> by 1870, but it shed some light on another puzzle that had been around >>> for a number of years. >>> >>> Melissa A. Daman (c1839/40 Illinois - prob. 1881 Illinois) has >>> turned out to likely be a first cousin of Hiram, the daughter of Amos >>> Daman / Damon and Elizabeth "Eliza" Van Arnam (c1800 NY - prob. 1888 >>> Illinois). She was residing as M. Van Arman with her mother in the >>> 1870 census return of Marengo, McHenry County, Illinois, but likely >>> remarried to a Mr. Humphrey sometime prior to the 1880 census when she >>> was [probably] listed with her mother as "Maud" Humphrey. >>> >>> Pete and I believe that Elizabeth is the daughter of Jacob Van >>> Arnam & Catharina Hemstraet, as was Richard H. Van Arman (c1803/6 NY - >>> 1881 CA), the father of Hiram. [FYI - This Jacob is the common >>> ancestor for both Pete and I, but we descend from different wives.] >>> >>> There are several Daman family outlines on Rootsweb's Worldconnect >>> project, but my research appears to differ slightly from what is >>> posted for the children. [I can't connect the 2 eldest sons at the >>> moment, so I won't post their information] >>> >>> Based on the 1830,1840 and later census returns for Amos & Elizabeth >>> Daman, the family appears to consist of the following children: >>> >>> son b. 1821/25 >>> son b. 1821/25 >>> Eliza b. 1825/30 m. Elisha Lamphear Jr. 1843 >>> Ill. >>> Harriet Arvilla b. 1828/29 Ohio m. Amos B. Coon 1846 >>> Ill. >>> Ann C. b. c1831 Ohio m. John Clark >>> 1856 >>> Ill. >>> George Washington b. c1835 MI m.1) Caroline M. Blake 1856 Wis. >>> m.2) Matilda S. >>> Marsh 1890 Neb. >>> Melissa A. [Maud?] b. 1839/40 Ill. m.1) Miller Van Arman 1862 Wis. >>> m.2) >>> Humphrey 187? >>> >>> >>> Here are the two early census returns for Amos & Elizabeth, with >>> corresponding given names as I perceive them to be: >>> >>> 1830 census Leroy township, Geauga County, Ohio - Possible entry >>> Amos Deming >>> 2 males 5-9 ? & ? >>> 1 male 30-39 Amos >>> 2 females under 5 Eliza & "Hattie" >>> 1 female 15-19 ? >>> 1 female 30-39 Eliza >>> >>> ! 1840 census McHenry County, Illinois >>> Amos Daman >>> 1 male 5-9; George W >>> 2 males 15-19; ? & ? >>> 1 male 30-39 Amos >>> 1 female under 5; Melissa A. >>> 1 female 5-9; Ann C. >>> 2 females 10-14; Eliza & "Hattie" >>> 1 female 30-39. Eliza >>> >>> The hunt for additional information goes on..... >>> >>> Stephen >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >