This is not pertinent to your reports, but are the women ever listed in any of the reports? I have been looking for Lydia Jane Van Norman, born June 15, 1815 in Saratoga County, NY - later moved to Steuben County, NY & died Aug. 17, in Bath, Steuben County, NY. who married Adam Abbott & they had a daughter Anna who was said to be "Mohawk and Dutch descent" Anna Married Nelson Pratt in NY & they moved to Wisconsin. Can't seem to find anything on that connection. > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 12:40:42 -0400 > From: schwel@comcast.net > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] John Van Arnam, b 1826 Lockport, NY > > Do you have the text or link to John's will and to Chloe's 1839 petition? I > have 7 children not including John and I'd like to see if my list matches. > Linda > > It's interesting that Chloe's son Williard went to California, also > occupation stage driver. > > On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Stephen Wood <stephe.w300@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > The following information may apply to the same John Van Arnam / > > Van Arman. I had guessed that this pertained to John, son of John Van > > Arnum & Tamar Dewey, because of his occupation and Michigan location > > at that date, but I could be in error. > > > > The following was taken from: http://www.eaton.migenweb.net/pageone.htm > > > > History of Eaton County, Michigan > > > > (snip) > > The grand jury came in with indictments and were discharged. The next > > day, November 14, 1851, was the last of the county court. It ended in > > open rebellion against the judge. When the judge ordered Mr. Shaw to > > pay a fine of five dollars Mr. Shaw is said to have retorted, “Fine > > and be d---d.” For this the judge ordered him imprisoned for five > > days, and the sheriff was ordered to arrest him. John Van Arman, Henry > > A. Shaw, Martin S. Bracket, C. C. Chatfield, and quite a number of > > other attorneys stood up in battle array, some with their coats off > > and shirt sleeves rolled up (instead of having their black gowns on), > > and gave the judge and sheriff to understand that not one of their > > number could be taken out of that bar. The sheriff stood hesitating at > > the entrance, when some of them in friendly tones assured him that he > > had better not try to come in there. He probably saw at a glance that > > the caution was given him for his good. They were many of them men > > whom it would be difficult to handle. M. S. Bracket bore the > > reputation of being physically the most powerful man in the county. > > Spectators say that as he bared his arms muscles and tendons rose up > > like whip-cords. Mr. Shaw was tall, quick and powerful--he had nearly > > broken the next of an antagonist by kicking him under the chin while > > standing before him. John Van Arman had been a soldier in the Mexican > > war and looked as if he would rather fight than eat. No arrest was > > made. A jury of twelve men sat looking on. Some of them afterwards > > censured the sheriff for not calling on them for help. > > > > This is not likely a son of John (1801 - 1859) & Chloe Van Arnam. > > >From John's will and Chloe's 1839 petition, we know that there were 7 > > children in the family - although the father of the eldest son James > > may not be John Van Arnam - and they didn't have a son John...... > > > > The John of "John & Chloe" is likely one of the New York Van > > Arnam's, and quite possibly the other John of "John & Tamar" descends > > from this line too.... > > > > Stephen > > > > P.S. You have good timing - I just found that quote about John in the > > Mexican War a couple of days ago! > > > > On 11/4/10, Linda Schwenn <schwel@comcast.net> wrote: > > > In 1847 John Van Arnam enlisted in the Mexican War. He was 21 and born > > in > > > Lockport, NY. Enlistment place: Dixon [no state given. The list includes > > > various states/places] Occupation: stage driver. 16th Infantry > > Regiment. > > > Discharged Aug 7, 1848, expiration of service, at Newport, KY. A > > musician. > > > > > > Source: Ancestry.com "U.S. Army, Register of Enlistments, 1798-1914 > > Record > > > for John Vanaenam" (In the original it looks more like Van Arnam) > > > > > > Is this an early son of John 1801-1859 and Chloe Van Arnam? And does it > > tie > > > into the PA Van Normans? > > > 1840 census: Dixon, Lee, IL M:1 under 5, 1 5–9, 2 15–19, 7 20–29, 4 > > > 30–39, 1 free colored male 36 – 54 > > > 1850: Dixon, Lee, IL wife Chloe is there b 1807 NY with several > > children. > > > > > > Linda Schwenn > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message