Edith, I don't have any Lydia 1815 in my database. However, in looking at the 1850 census for Adam and Lydia, it appears that this might have been a second marriage for Adam. The oldest children are too old for them to be Lydia's. Adam appears in the 1840 census in Painted Post, Steuben, NY. His name is terribly written by the enumerator and transcribed Aamlivus Abbott by Ancestry.com (image 17). Also enumerated in Painted Post is William S. Vanorman w a female 10-14 in the family (image 15) who is a candidate as son of Isaac Vanorman who has a female age 15-19 and one 20-29 also living in Painted Post 1840. So my GUESS is that Lydia is the dau of Isaac based on age and opportunity; perhaps she named a son after her a favorite sibling, William, as many women did then. She's the Liddie living with John Abbott in Thurston, Steuben, NY, when she's 55. It's interesting that the enumerator wrote that her birthplace was Deutschland. And she's still with John in 1880. All I know about Isaac for sure is that he was born between 1781-1790. An intriguing snippet that I have that I haven't been able to make heads or tails out of so far is the death record for a Henry P VanArnam. Here's my copy/paste: 1858 -Apr 11 -Henry P. Van Arnam -Troy 49 Isaac & Lydia Van Arnam DOD, name, birthplace, age at death, parents Oakwood Cemetery, Troy, NY It occurs to me now that this Isaac could be the same as the Isaac from Painted Post. This is purely speculative, mind you. I have no further information on this Henry P. Maybe someone else on the list has more. I'd like to know the source for Lydia Jane's birth date and place. Good luck with your searching, Linda

Another Pratt sent me this e-mail Now that I have time, I've been into Ancestry.Com using my membership and found a family tree with Adam F Abbott & Lydia Jane Van Norman, plus their 10 kids. Also had a note referring to a letter between some Abbotts about Anna on her own after husband deserts her - here is some of the info, but there is so much, I'll print it out and mail it Adam F Abbott b 6/8/1809, d 1852 Lydia Jane Van Norman, b 6/15/1815 in Saratoga, NY, d 8/17/1896 in Bath, NY Children: John W Abbott b 11/18/1832 Anna Abbott b, 7/31/1834 Emily Amelia Abbott b, 3/18/1836 Charles L Abbott b, 3/9/1838 Eliza Abbott b, 4/20/1840 Amanda Abbott b, 3/5/1842 Julia A Abbott b, 6/29/1844 William Henry Abbott b, 2/28/1846 George Abbott b, 4/7/1848 Mary L Abbott b, 10/11/1850 > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 17:45:38 -0400 > From: schwel@comcast.net > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] John Van Arnam, b 1826 Lockport, NY > > Edith, > > I don't have any Lydia 1815 in my database. However, in looking at the 1850 > census for Adam and Lydia, it appears that this might have been a second > marriage for Adam. The oldest children are too old for them to be Lydia's. > Adam appears in the 1840 census in Painted Post, Steuben, NY. His name is > terribly written by the enumerator and transcribed Aamlivus Abbott by > Ancestry.com (image 17). Also enumerated in Painted Post is William S. > Vanorman w a female 10-14 in the family (image 15) who is a candidate as > son of Isaac Vanorman who has a female age 15-19 and one 20-29 also living > in Painted Post 1840. So my GUESS is that Lydia is the dau of Isaac based on > age and opportunity; perhaps she named a son after her a favorite sibling, > William, as many women did then. She's the Liddie living with John Abbott in > Thurston, Steuben, NY, when she's 55. It's interesting that the enumerator > wrote that her birthplace was Deutschland. And she's still with John in > 1880. All I know about Isaac for sure is that he was born between 1781-1790. > > > An intriguing snippet that I have that I haven't been able to make heads or > tails out of so far is the death record for a Henry P VanArnam. Here's my > copy/paste: > 1858 -Apr 11 -Henry P. Van Arnam -Troy 49 Isaac & Lydia Van Arnam > DOD, name, birthplace, age at death, parents > Oakwood Cemetery, Troy, NY > > It occurs to me now that this Isaac could be the same as the Isaac from > Painted Post. This is purely speculative, mind you. I have no further > information on this Henry P. Maybe someone else on the list has more. > > I'd like to know the source for Lydia Jane's birth date and place. > > Good luck with your searching, > Linda > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message