I agree. This guy's approximate birthdate is about right to be a son of John of Chazy and the supposed birth is about right if John was still in Vermont in 1800 as I believe he was. I believe John of Chazy was the son of Isaac (1704)'s son John but it's all just a guess since most of the records for the relevant period and places are believed destroyed. I don't recall the pedigree for John of Chazy's wife, Tamar Dewey. It might be worth comparing this Henry's family names against those in Tamar's line in case there's a semi-smoking gun. --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurie Cigan" <lcigan@yahoo.com> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Vernornam >I have a Henry Van Arman b. ca. 1803 in Vermont. In the 1840 census he is >living in Chazy. In 1850, 1860, 1870 he is living in Ellenburg, very close >to Chazy. In 1850 his wife is listed as Marsha, in 1860 as Nancy, and in >1870 as Mertia. His sons James and Horace died young and are buried in >Ellenburg and the headstone reads "sons of Henry and Martia Van Aranam". I >have never found Henry and Martia's graves. The date doesn't match with >Martia still being alive in 1870, could it be another wife who died >earlier? Or does the "M" in "Louisa M" stand for Martia and he married a >Nancy later (from the 1860 census)? But then Martia shows up again in 1870. >It's just too confusing, but a great find! > > I suspect this Henry is a brother to lawyer John Van Arman (one of the 14 > children mentioned in his bio) and probably descends through Isaac but I > cannot prove it (yet!) > > Laurie Cigan > > --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Linda Schwenn <schwel@comcast.net> wrote: > > From: Linda Schwenn <schwel@comcast.net> > Subject: [VANNORMAN] Vernornam > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 10:45 AM > > Anybody have a guess who this Henry is? Several times I have seen this > spelling (starts Ver... instead of Van...) as an early variation of the > Vanornam name in upstate New York and Vermont. > > Chazy Landing Cemetery (also known as Saxes Landing Cemetery), Chazy, > Clinton County, New York > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~frgen/clinton/chazy/Chazy_Landing.htm > VERNORNAM Louisa M. / Wife of / Henry VERNORNAM / Died July 8, 1851, / AE. > 22 Y's. / > > > Possible relationships (First one looks like a fit with William G. > Vanornam > and his wife Marcia/Maria Philips. Second one is, I think, son of Isaac > and > Julia Jenner): > > Home in 1850 Chazy, Clinton, New York > > Family Number: 1291 > > Wm Vernormum 25 Canada, wheelwright > > Maria Vernormum 23 Canada > > Wm Vernormum 3 VT > > Harvey Vernormum 1 VT > > Home in 1850: Parishville, Saint Lawrence, New York > > Household Members: Name Age --all b NY > > Rachael Jenner 61 > > Samuel Jenner 33 > > James Jenner 25 > > Maria Jenner 23 > > Isaac Vernorman 8 > Linda > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >