Hi again! I spent a quite a while last night trying to sort out (Jacob) Harry Van Norman's family, but still had no luck with either the 1880 or 1870 census returns. Fred and his mother Martha are also together in the 1910 census returns of Ward 3 in Lima, Allen County, Ohio, and Harry was living there for the 1890 census because he was listed in the 1890 Veteran's Schedule of that census. Son William E. Van Norman's marriage record to Catharine (nee Ott) in 1911 indicates that he was born in Lima, Ohio, so they may have moved from Toledo to Lima sometime between Albert H.'s birth in 1875 and William's birth in 1878/9 - but that's all I came up with. [So Harry and his family should be in Lima, Allen Co., Ohio in 1880 by the looks of it.....hiding very well though!] Martha Collins was likely residing in Ward 5 of Toledo with her parents in 1870, age 19 [but indexed as age 13 by Ancestry - image 55], so "in theory" Jacob Harrison "Harry" Van Norman isn't far away. [balance of Collins family two pages over on image 57, so pages don't appear to be in exact order - I checked 3 pages either way from 55, but dialup is too slow for an in-depth search] The first son of Jacob / Harry and Martha is Charles Harrison, so likely the Harry is a short form of Harrison..... The search goes on! Stephen On 10/29/10, Linda Noggle <lindanoggle@verizon.net> wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > I could not find them in the 1880 census either, but I looked on the Mormom > site - Pilot search program > and found some of the children's marriage records and they indicated they > were born in Toledo, Ohio > Listed parents as Harry and Martha Collins Van Norman > I did find Martha with son Fred in the 1920 census in Toledo, Ohio > under the name Van Naman > > I have no idea about the parents. > > Linda > > > On Oct 29, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Stephen Wood wrote: > >> I second the vote of thanks Linda! - these have helped me sort out a >> couple of my family entries. >> >> With regards to Jacob Harry [Harrison??] Van Norman >> >> I have him from the 1900 census [Lima Ward 3, Allen Co., Ohio], but >> can't locate him in any earlier ones..... Have you had any better >> luck? >> >> I'm also not sure who his parents are, as all my best choices are >> accounted for - any suggestions? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Stephen >> >> On 10/29/10, Linda Noggle <lindanoggle@verizon.net> wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I went to the National Archives and looked at a few of the Van Norman >>> pensions for the civil war. Thought these might be of interest to those >>> that are related >>> >>> Jacob Harry Van Norman - Co H 111st Regiment, Ohio Infantry >>> >>> Jacob married Martha Collins on 11/24/1870 . They met at the boarding >>> house >>> Martha worked at and John lived at in Toledo, Ohio. >>> Jacob went by the name of Harry. >>> >>> Living children as of 1897 >>> >>> Charles born 12/17/1871 >>> Fred - 12/22/1872 >>> Albert - 8/7/1875 >>> Sophia - 2/28/1877 >>> William - 5/19/1879 >>> Hattie - 7/7/1887 >>> >>> Jacob died 6/5/1902 in Ohio >>