What is your source on the child being named Sara Teunis? It would be odd for her to be named Sara Teunis with her father having been John/Jan... She would have been Sara Jansze. It would be a rather large coincidence if there were two Sara Teunis' on board De Trouw. Please provide your source for the name of the child. On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Susan Claggett <claimtofame@claggett6.com> wrote: > No John meaning that Sara Teunis (on the passenger list of the De Trouw) is > the 3 year old child's name that sailed on the De Trouw with her mother > Lysbeth and that same Sara Teunis (not ours) was baptized six months later > according to the historical record that I found and also located in the > Church records.  I bet if we researched this little Sara's family we will > find a Teunis up close.  I believe she has nothing to do with our Sara and > Jan. > > Susan > > -----Original Message----- > From: jroguetech@gmail.com [mailto:jroguetech@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 6:59 PM > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] The Faith (De Trouw) Lists Of Inhabitants Of > Colonial New York by Edmund Bailey O'Callaghan Chapter entitled Early > Immigrants to New Netherland 1657-1664 > > You mean Sara, wife of Jan, having a child named Sara witnessed by > Sara and a son of a Jan after sailing on a ship with a Sara who > marries a Jan, who has a child named Jan (witnessed by a Jan)? Odds > are, if we had the history of Lysbet and John Salme, and that of the > witnesses, we could work in several more Sara and Jan's. > > Just coincidence. > > And now that you point this out, Sara could not since Lysbeth's, since > it's extremely unlikely that Lysbeth would have two living children > named Sara. > > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Susan Claggett > <claimtofame@claggett6.com> wrote: >> Is this just coincidental to you? >> >> Lysbeth De Roode from Danzig and child (wife of John Salme) and her child >> three years old came to New Netherland by the De Trouw, which sailed > January >> 20, 1664.  Six months later her daughter Sara was baptized in New > Amsterdam. >> >> >> 1664 Jul 23; Jan Salmie, Lysbeth Roden; Sara; Lambert Janszen Bosch, Sara >> Ver Plancken, Barbara Willems >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jroguetech@gmail.com [mailto:jroguetech@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 6:10 PM >> To: vannorman@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] The Faith (De Trouw) Lists Of Inhabitants Of >> Colonial New York by Edmund Bailey O'Callaghan Chapter entitled Early >> Immigrants to New Netherland 1657-1664 >> >> It sources Olive Tree, which is the source of the list I pasted. They >> attributed Sara Teunis as the child of Lysbet, when there is no reason >> to assume Sara is the child, and reason to believe she is not. Indeed, >> Olive Tree delinates the two entries as separate people. >> >> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Susan Claggett >> <claimtofame@claggett6.com> wrote: >>> The link was stripped.  I will try again. >>> http://www.slideshare.net/rhokel/index-to-new-netherland-ships-1660 >>> >>> More than half of my messages are returned to me for no apparent >>> reason...frustrating. >>> Susan >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: jroguetech@gmail.com [mailto:jroguetech@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 5:43 PM >>> To: vannorman@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] The Faith (De Trouw) Lists Of Inhabitants Of >>> Colonial New York by Edmund Bailey O'Callaghan Chapter entitled Early >>> Immigrants to New Netherland 1657-1664 >>> >>> I'm not sure of your source, but whatever the source is, it apparently >>> makes the mistake of assigning Lysbet De Roode's child to Sara >>> Theunis, listed below her. This is an error. Her child is not named, >>> nor is the "suckling child" of above him of Cornelius, or the four >>> children above him of Johannis, or the child of Lysbet above him. >>> >>> Here is the ship list: >>> Maarcelis Jansen van Bommel; farmer >>> Evert Tack, from the Barony of Breda >>> Lysbet Arens, from Amsterdam, and child >>> Johannis Hardenbroeck, from Elberveld, and Wife and four children >>> Janneken Juriaensen, from Gorcum >>> Corneliss Cornelissen Vernoey, and Wife and sucking child >>> Lysbet de Roode, from Dantzick, Wife of John Saline, and child >>> Sara Teunis >>> >>> Clearly Sara Teunis is NOT the child of Lysbet de Roode, and is either >>> an adult. This is still the best bet for our Sara based on available >>> evidence presented thus far. >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Susan Claggett >>> <claimtofame@claggett6.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Lysbet de Roode, from Dantzick, Wife of John Saline, and child Sara >> Teunis >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The Faith (De Trouw) passenger list shows Sara Teunis as a child on the >>>> passenger list.  It is my opinion that if she were a single young woman >>> (and >>>> our Sara Teunis) it would have stated maiden behind her name and from >> like >>>> the others on this list.  This is not our Sara Teunis. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Susan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The Faith (De Trouw) >>>> >>>> December 13 1660. Captain Jan Jans Bestevaer from Lists Of Inhabitants > Of >>>> Colonial New York by Edmund Bailey O'Callaghan Chapter entitled Early >>>> Immigrants to New Netherland 1657-1664 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Christiaen de Lorie, from St Malo, wife, mother and sister >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hendrick Jansen Spier and Wife and two children 4 and 5 yrs old >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Adriaen Huybertsen Sterrevelt; Agriculturist >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Harmen Stepfer, from the Dutchy of Cleef >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Joost Adriaensen Pynacker, from Delft >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Philip Langelens; Agriculturist, and Wife and two children >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hendrick Bos, from Leyden, and Wife and two children >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Gerrit Gerritsen, from Wageningen, and Wife and one child. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> William Aertsen, from Wagening. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Gerrit van Manen, from Wagening >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Albert Gerritsen, from Wagening. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jan Gerritsen Hagel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hendrick Jansen, from Wagening >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jan Aertsen, from Amersfoort >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Tys Jansen, from Amersfoort >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Wessel Wesselsen, from Munster >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Adolph Hardenbroeck, and Wife and Son 25 yrs old. (Pieter Rudolphus >> agrees >>>> to pay passage for the son of Adolph) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Claes Theunissen, from Gorcum, and his servant, and boy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Lubbert Harmensen, from Overyssel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Lammert Huybertsen, [Brink?] from Wagening, and Wife and two children >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jan Harmans and Wife and sucking child >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Roeloft Hendricks from Drenthe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Femmetje Hendricksen, maiden >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Maria Mooris, from Arnhem, maiden >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Marten Abrahamsen, from Bloemendael, and Wife and two children >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The Wife of Hans Sodurat, Baker, and two children >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Leendert Arentsen Groenevelt, and Wife >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Aeltje Jacobsen; maiden >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Willem Petersen, from Amersfoort [Van Slyke aka Neef, the nephew of >> Lorine >>>> McGinnis Schulze's Cornelis Antonissen Van Slyke] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Claes Tysen, cooper, and two children >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> March 1662 from Lists Of Inhabitants Of Colonial New York by Edmund >> Bailey >>>> O'Callaghan Chapter entitled Early Immigrants to New Netherland > 1657-1664 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Lysbert Harmens, from the Traert >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jan Gerrits, from Embden; labourer >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jacob Wouters, from Amsterdam >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Barent Witten Hooft, from Munster, Tailor, and Wife and two children >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Stoffel Smet, from Keurlo; Agriculturist >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Precilla Homes, and her brother, and one suckling >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thomas Harmensen Brouwers, from Sevenbergen; farmer >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Symon Cornie; farmer from France, and Wife >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Adriaen Gerritsen, from Utrecht; Agriculturist, and Wife and five >> children >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Albert Jansen, from Steenwyck; Tailor >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Reinier Petersen, from Steenwyck; Agriculturer >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Claes van Campen, from Oldenburg; farmer's boy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Adriaen Aartsen from Thillerwarden in Guilderland >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hendrick Arentsen, from the same place; labourer >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> January 1664 from Lists Of Inhabitants Of Colonial New York by Edmund >>> Bailey >>>> O'Callaghan Chapter entitled Early Immigrants to New Netherland > 1657-1664 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Maarcelis Jansen van Bommel; farmer >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Evert Tack, from the Barony of Breda >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Lysbet Arens, from Amsterdam, and child >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Johannis Hardenbroeck, from Elberveld, and Wife and four children >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Janneken Juriaensen, from Gorcum >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Corneliss Cornelissen Vernoey, and Wife and sucking child >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Lysbet de Roode, from Dantzick, Wife of John Saline, and child Sara >> Teunis >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >