You mean Sara, wife of Jan, having a child named Sara witnessed by Sara and a son of a Jan after sailing on a ship with a Sara who marries a Jan, who has a child named Jan (witnessed by a Jan)? Odds are, if we had the history of Lysbet and John Salme, and that of the witnesses, we could work in several more Sara and Jan's. Just coincidence. And now that you point this out, Sara could not since Lysbeth's, since it's extremely unlikely that Lysbeth would have two living children named Sara. On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Susan Claggett <claimtofame@claggett6.com> wrote: > Is this just coincidental to you? > > Lysbeth De Roode from Danzig and child (wife of John Salme) and her child > three years old came to New Netherland by the De Trouw, which sailed January > 20, 1664.  Six months later her daughter Sara was baptized in New Amsterdam. > > > 1664 Jul 23; Jan Salmie, Lysbeth Roden; Sara; Lambert Janszen Bosch, Sara > Ver Plancken, Barbara Willems > > -----Original Message----- > From: jroguetech@gmail.com [mailto:jroguetech@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 6:10 PM > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] The Faith (De Trouw) Lists Of Inhabitants Of > Colonial New York by Edmund Bailey O'Callaghan Chapter entitled Early > Immigrants to New Netherland 1657-1664 > > It sources Olive Tree, which is the source of the list I pasted. They > attributed Sara Teunis as the child of Lysbet, when there is no reason > to assume Sara is the child, and reason to believe she is not. Indeed, > Olive Tree delinates the two entries as separate people. > > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Susan Claggett > <claimtofame@claggett6.com> wrote: >> The link was stripped.  I will try again. >> http://www.slideshare.net/rhokel/index-to-new-netherland-ships-1660 >> >> More than half of my messages are returned to me for no apparent >> reason...frustrating. >> Susan >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jroguetech@gmail.com [mailto:jroguetech@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 5:43 PM >> To: vannorman@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] The Faith (De Trouw) Lists Of Inhabitants Of >> Colonial New York by Edmund Bailey O'Callaghan Chapter entitled Early >> Immigrants to New Netherland 1657-1664 >> >> I'm not sure of your source, but whatever the source is, it apparently >> makes the mistake of assigning Lysbet De Roode's child to Sara >> Theunis, listed below her. This is an error. Her child is not named, >> nor is the "suckling child" of above him of Cornelius, or the four >> children above him of Johannis, or the child of Lysbet above him. >> >> Here is the ship list: >> Maarcelis Jansen van Bommel; farmer >> Evert Tack, from the Barony of Breda >> Lysbet Arens, from Amsterdam, and child >> Johannis Hardenbroeck, from Elberveld, and Wife and four children >> Janneken Juriaensen, from Gorcum >> Corneliss Cornelissen Vernoey, and Wife and sucking child >> Lysbet de Roode, from Dantzick, Wife of John Saline, and child >> Sara Teunis >> >> Clearly Sara Teunis is NOT the child of Lysbet de Roode, and is either >> an adult. This is still the best bet for our Sara based on available >> evidence presented thus far. >> >> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Susan Claggett >> <claimtofame@claggett6.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Lysbet de Roode, from Dantzick, Wife of John Saline, and child Sara > Teunis >>> >>> >>> >>> The Faith (De Trouw) passenger list shows Sara Teunis as a child on the >>> passenger list.  It is my opinion that if she were a single young woman >> (and >>> our Sara Teunis) it would have stated maiden behind her name and from > like >>> the others on this list.  This is not our Sara Teunis. >>> >>> >>> >>> Susan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The Faith (De Trouw) >>> >>> December 13 1660. Captain Jan Jans Bestevaer from Lists Of Inhabitants Of >>> Colonial New York by Edmund Bailey O'Callaghan Chapter entitled Early >>> Immigrants to New Netherland 1657-1664 >>> >>> >>> >>> Christiaen de Lorie, from St Malo, wife, mother and sister >>> >>> >>> >>> Hendrick Jansen Spier and Wife and two children 4 and 5 yrs old >>> >>> >>> >>> Adriaen Huybertsen Sterrevelt; Agriculturist >>> >>> >>> >>> Harmen Stepfer, from the Dutchy of Cleef >>> >>> >>> >>> Joost Adriaensen Pynacker, from Delft >>> >>> >>> >>> Philip Langelens; Agriculturist, and Wife and two children >>> >>> >>> >>> Hendrick Bos, from Leyden, and Wife and two children >>> >>> >>> >>> Gerrit Gerritsen, from Wageningen, and Wife and one child. >>> >>> >>> >>> William Aertsen, from Wagening. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Gerrit van Manen, from Wagening >>> >>> >>> >>> Albert Gerritsen, from Wagening. >>> >>> >>> >>> Jan Gerritsen Hagel >>> >>> >>> >>> Hendrick Jansen, from Wagening >>> >>> >>> >>> Jan Aertsen, from Amersfoort >>> >>> >>> >>> Tys Jansen, from Amersfoort >>> >>> >>> >>> Wessel Wesselsen, from Munster >>> >>> >>> >>> Adolph Hardenbroeck, and Wife and Son 25 yrs old. (Pieter Rudolphus > agrees >>> to pay passage for the son of Adolph) >>> >>> >>> >>> Claes Theunissen, from Gorcum, and his servant, and boy >>> >>> >>> >>> Lubbert Harmensen, from Overyssel >>> >>> >>> >>> Lammert Huybertsen, [Brink?] from Wagening, and Wife and two children >>> >>> >>> >>> Jan Harmans and Wife and sucking child >>> >>> >>> >>> Roeloft Hendricks from Drenthe >>> >>> >>> >>> Femmetje Hendricksen, maiden >>> >>> >>> >>> Maria Mooris, from Arnhem, maiden >>> >>> >>> >>> Marten Abrahamsen, from Bloemendael, and Wife and two children >>> >>> >>> >>> The Wife of Hans Sodurat, Baker, and two children >>> >>> >>> >>> Leendert Arentsen Groenevelt, and Wife >>> >>> >>> >>> Aeltje Jacobsen; maiden >>> >>> >>> >>> Willem Petersen, from Amersfoort [Van Slyke aka Neef, the nephew of > Lorine >>> McGinnis Schulze's Cornelis Antonissen Van Slyke] >>> >>> >>> >>> Claes Tysen, cooper, and two children >>> >>> >>> >>> March 1662 from Lists Of Inhabitants Of Colonial New York by Edmund > Bailey >>> O'Callaghan Chapter entitled Early Immigrants to New Netherland 1657-1664 >>> >>> >>> >>> Lysbert Harmens, from the Traert >>> >>> >>> >>> Jan Gerrits, from Embden; labourer >>> >>> >>> >>> Jacob Wouters, from Amsterdam >>> >>> >>> >>> Barent Witten Hooft, from Munster, Tailor, and Wife and two children >>> >>> >>> >>> Stoffel Smet, from Keurlo; Agriculturist >>> >>> >>> >>> Precilla Homes, and her brother, and one suckling >>> >>> >>> >>> Thomas Harmensen Brouwers, from Sevenbergen; farmer >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Symon Cornie; farmer from France, and Wife >>> >>> >>> >>> Adriaen Gerritsen, from Utrecht; Agriculturist, and Wife and five > children >>> >>> >>> >>> Albert Jansen, from Steenwyck; Tailor >>> >>> >>> >>> Reinier Petersen, from Steenwyck; Agriculturer >>> >>> >>> >>> Claes van Campen, from Oldenburg; farmer's boy >>> >>> >>> >>> Adriaen Aartsen from Thillerwarden in Guilderland >>> >>> >>> >>> Hendrick Arentsen, from the same place; labourer >>> >>> >>> >>> January 1664 from Lists Of Inhabitants Of Colonial New York by Edmund >> Bailey >>> O'Callaghan Chapter entitled Early Immigrants to New Netherland 1657-1664 >>> >>> >>> >>> Maarcelis Jansen van Bommel; farmer >>> >>> >>> >>> Evert Tack, from the Barony of Breda >>> >>> >>> >>> Lysbet Arens, from Amsterdam, and child >>> >>> >>> >>> Johannis Hardenbroeck, from Elberveld, and Wife and four children >>> >>> >>> >>> Janneken Juriaensen, from Gorcum >>> >>> >>> >>> Corneliss Cornelissen Vernoey, and Wife and sucking child >>> >>> >>> >>> Lysbet de Roode, from Dantzick, Wife of John Saline, and child Sara > Teunis >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

No John meaning that Sara Teunis (on the passenger list of the De Trouw) is the 3 year old child's name that sailed on the De Trouw with her mother Lysbeth and that same Sara Teunis (not ours) was baptized six months later according to the historical record that I found and also located in the Church records. I bet if we researched this little Sara's family we will find a Teunis up close. I believe she has nothing to do with our Sara and Jan. Susan -----Original Message----- From: jroguetech@gmail.com [mailto:jroguetech@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 6:59 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] The Faith (De Trouw) Lists Of Inhabitants Of Colonial New York by Edmund Bailey O'Callaghan Chapter entitled Early Immigrants to New Netherland 1657-1664 You mean Sara, wife of Jan, having a child named Sara witnessed by Sara and a son of a Jan after sailing on a ship with a Sara who marries a Jan, who has a child named Jan (witnessed by a Jan)? Odds are, if we had the history of Lysbet and John Salme, and that of the witnesses, we could work in several more Sara and Jan's. Just coincidence. And now that you point this out, Sara could not since Lysbeth's, since it's extremely unlikely that Lysbeth would have two living children named Sara. On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Susan Claggett <claimtofame@claggett6.com> wrote: > Is this just coincidental to you? > > Lysbeth De Roode from Danzig and child (wife of John Salme) and her child > three years old came to New Netherland by the De Trouw, which sailed January > 20, 1664.  Six months later her daughter Sara was baptized in New Amsterdam. > > > 1664 Jul 23; Jan Salmie, Lysbeth Roden; Sara; Lambert Janszen Bosch, Sara > Ver Plancken, Barbara Willems > > -----Original Message----- > From: jroguetech@gmail.com [mailto:jroguetech@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 6:10 PM > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] The Faith (De Trouw) Lists Of Inhabitants Of > Colonial New York by Edmund Bailey O'Callaghan Chapter entitled Early > Immigrants to New Netherland 1657-1664 > > It sources Olive Tree, which is the source of the list I pasted. They > attributed Sara Teunis as the child of Lysbet, when there is no reason > to assume Sara is the child, and reason to believe she is not. Indeed, > Olive Tree delinates the two entries as separate people. > > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Susan Claggett > <claimtofame@claggett6.com> wrote: >> The link was stripped.  I will try again. >> http://www.slideshare.net/rhokel/index-to-new-netherland-ships-1660 >> >> More than half of my messages are returned to me for no apparent >> reason...frustrating. >> Susan >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jroguetech@gmail.com [mailto:jroguetech@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 5:43 PM >> To: vannorman@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] The Faith (De Trouw) Lists Of Inhabitants Of >> Colonial New York by Edmund Bailey O'Callaghan Chapter entitled Early >> Immigrants to New Netherland 1657-1664 >> >> I'm not sure of your source, but whatever the source is, it apparently >> makes the mistake of assigning Lysbet De Roode's child to Sara >> Theunis, listed below her. This is an error. Her child is not named, >> nor is the "suckling child" of above him of Cornelius, or the four >> children above him of Johannis, or the child of Lysbet above him. >> >> Here is the ship list: >> Maarcelis Jansen van Bommel; farmer >> Evert Tack, from the Barony of Breda >> Lysbet Arens, from Amsterdam, and child >> Johannis Hardenbroeck, from Elberveld, and Wife and four children >> Janneken Juriaensen, from Gorcum >> Corneliss Cornelissen Vernoey, and Wife and sucking child >> Lysbet de Roode, from Dantzick, Wife of John Saline, and child >> Sara Teunis >> >> Clearly Sara Teunis is NOT the child of Lysbet de Roode, and is either >> an adult. This is still the best bet for our Sara based on available >> evidence presented thus far. >> >> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Susan Claggett >> <claimtofame@claggett6.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Lysbet de Roode, from Dantzick, Wife of John Saline, and child Sara > Teunis >>> >>> >>> >>> The Faith (De Trouw) passenger list shows Sara Teunis as a child on the >>> passenger list.  It is my opinion that if she were a single young woman >> (and >>> our Sara Teunis) it would have stated maiden behind her name and from > like >>> the others on this list.  This is not our Sara Teunis. >>> >>> >>> >>> Susan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The Faith (De Trouw) >>> >>> December 13 1660. Captain Jan Jans Bestevaer from Lists Of Inhabitants Of >>> Colonial New York by Edmund Bailey O'Callaghan Chapter entitled Early >>> Immigrants to New Netherland 1657-1664 >>> >>> >>> >>> Christiaen de Lorie, from St Malo, wife, mother and sister >>> >>> >>> >>> Hendrick Jansen Spier and Wife and two children 4 and 5 yrs old >>> >>> >>> >>> Adriaen Huybertsen Sterrevelt; Agriculturist >>> >>> >>> >>> Harmen Stepfer, from the Dutchy of Cleef >>> >>> >>> >>> Joost Adriaensen Pynacker, from Delft >>> >>> >>> >>> Philip Langelens; Agriculturist, and Wife and two children >>> >>> >>> >>> Hendrick Bos, from Leyden, and Wife and two children >>> >>> >>> >>> Gerrit Gerritsen, from Wageningen, and Wife and one child. >>> >>> >>> >>> William Aertsen, from Wagening. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Gerrit van Manen, from Wagening >>> >>> >>> >>> Albert Gerritsen, from Wagening. >>> >>> >>> >>> Jan Gerritsen Hagel >>> >>> >>> >>> Hendrick Jansen, from Wagening >>> >>> >>> >>> Jan Aertsen, from Amersfoort >>> >>> >>> >>> Tys Jansen, from Amersfoort >>> >>> >>> >>> Wessel Wesselsen, from Munster >>> >>> >>> >>> Adolph Hardenbroeck, and Wife and Son 25 yrs old. (Pieter Rudolphus > agrees >>> to pay passage for the son of Adolph) >>> >>> >>> >>> Claes Theunissen, from Gorcum, and his servant, and boy >>> >>> >>> >>> Lubbert Harmensen, from Overyssel >>> >>> >>> >>> Lammert Huybertsen, [Brink?] from Wagening, and Wife and two children >>> >>> >>> >>> Jan Harmans and Wife and sucking child >>> >>> >>> >>> Roeloft Hendricks from Drenthe >>> >>> >>> >>> Femmetje Hendricksen, maiden >>> >>> >>> >>> Maria Mooris, from Arnhem, maiden >>> >>> >>> >>> Marten Abrahamsen, from Bloemendael, and Wife and two children >>> >>> >>> >>> The Wife of Hans Sodurat, Baker, and two children >>> >>> >>> >>> Leendert Arentsen Groenevelt, and Wife >>> >>> >>> >>> Aeltje Jacobsen; maiden >>> >>> >>> >>> Willem Petersen, from Amersfoort [Van Slyke aka Neef, the nephew of > Lorine >>> McGinnis Schulze's Cornelis Antonissen Van Slyke] >>> >>> >>> >>> Claes Tysen, cooper, and two children >>> >>> >>> >>> March 1662 from Lists Of Inhabitants Of Colonial New York by Edmund > Bailey >>> O'Callaghan Chapter entitled Early Immigrants to New Netherland 1657-1664 >>> >>> >>> >>> Lysbert Harmens, from the Traert >>> >>> >>> >>> Jan Gerrits, from Embden; labourer >>> >>> >>> >>> Jacob Wouters, from Amsterdam >>> >>> >>> >>> Barent Witten Hooft, from Munster, Tailor, and Wife and two children >>> >>> >>> >>> Stoffel Smet, from Keurlo; Agriculturist >>> >>> >>> >>> Precilla Homes, and her brother, and one suckling >>> >>> >>> >>> Thomas Harmensen Brouwers, from Sevenbergen; farmer >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Symon Cornie; farmer from France, and Wife >>> >>> >>> >>> Adriaen Gerritsen, from Utrecht; Agriculturist, and Wife and five > children >>> >>> >>> >>> Albert Jansen, from Steenwyck; Tailor >>> >>> >>> >>> Reinier Petersen, from Steenwyck; Agriculturer >>> >>> >>> >>> Claes van Campen, from Oldenburg; farmer's boy >>> >>> >>> >>> Adriaen Aartsen from Thillerwarden in Guilderland >>> >>> >>> >>> Hendrick Arentsen, from the same place; labourer >>> >>> >>> >>> January 1664 from Lists Of Inhabitants Of Colonial New York by Edmund >> Bailey >>> O'Callaghan Chapter entitled Early Immigrants to New Netherland 1657-1664 >>> >>> >>> >>> Maarcelis Jansen van Bommel; farmer >>> >>> >>> >>> Evert Tack, from the Barony of Breda >>> >>> >>> >>> Lysbet Arens, from Amsterdam, and child >>> >>> >>> >>> Johannis Hardenbroeck, from Elberveld, and Wife and four children >>> >>> >>> >>> Janneken Juriaensen, from Gorcum >>> >>> >>> >>> Corneliss Cornelissen Vernoey, and Wife and sucking child >>> >>> >>> >>> Lysbet de Roode, from Dantzick, Wife of John Saline, and child Sara > Teunis >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message