A lot of data... Could you peice it together for us? The critical question being what links Sara and Jan Theunissen, or Sara to Amsterdam? James Riker's comment is certainly intriguing, but it's unsourced. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Susan Claggett <claimtofame@claggett6.com> wrote: > > > I really don't know how to begin because I don't have it all formulated yet > and I want to say that my working theory is prone to several errors and will > need changes as we find documents and discuss.  But I do believe the puzzle > is framed and we need to fill the pieces.  Our Van(N)Orman / Van Arnhem > family arrived in New Amsterdam in the late 1630's and early 40's.  The big > clue for me was when I read James Rikers comment about Jan Teunissen and Jan > Dirckszen being brother in laws which I believe turns out to be correct but > we still need to prove it. > > After tracing Jan Teunissen's parents (married 14 Sep 1624) to Teunis > Janszen (Pier, Peer, Speir) born abt 1603 (son of Jan Teunissen Pier abt > 1584 and Aeltjen Willems Van Essen 1583) and Jannetje (Jannettie) Arentsdr > Joosten abt 1602 Toene (daughter of Aert Joosten abt 1575 and Mary Willems > abt 1573) I was able to make many family connections both in  New Amsterdam > and in The Netherlands.  The families are primarily from the Breda, > Willemstad, Heusden and the Tilburg area in the early 1600's. > > The primary families are Teunissen(Theunis/Theuniszen/Thonissen), > Janszen/Janse,Willemszen,Joosten,Dirckszen,(Dirix/Dirxssen/Dircken/Dirkse), > Corneliszen, Jacobszen, Peers, Brouwer, Pieterszen, Elbertszen, > Hendrickszen, Gerritszen, Andriszen, Arentszen, Abrahamszen, Laurenszen, > Fredrickszen, Van der Beeck (Van Der Burchgraeff/Beckers/Verbroeck/Baeck), > Verdon, Van Essen, Roelofse, Bremer, Philips. > > I will be sending several emails where I have copied documents as I found > them that looked interesting to me from various websites. > > Let me know if you see the patterns I have found.  Below is a history of the > Rensselaerwyck Voyage to refresh your memory. More soon... > > Susan Van Orman Claggett > > Rensselaerswyck > 1636-1637 Voyage > Thanks goes to Ruth Piwonka for transcribing this list for the Olive Tree > Genealogy > Source Notes: A J F Van Laer compiled a list of Settlers of Rensselaerswyck > 1630-1658 as an appendix to his translation of The Van Rensselaer Bowier > Manuscripts (published Albany: State University of New York, 1908). This > appendix has been reprinted by the Genealogical Publishing Company, > Baltimore, 1965 under the title Settlers of Rensslaerwyck. > Most of the settlers who came to Rensselaerswyck in 1637 came on the vessel > of the same name. Additionally a handful of settlers who first appeared in > accounts of the colony are described as probably passengers on the vessel. > The log of the voyage of the Rensselaerswyck was translated by Van Laer and > included in The Van Rensselaer Bowier Manuscripts. The journey was an > unusually long one, beginning at Amsterdam September 25, 1636 and returning > there November 7, 1737. It sailed from Texel on October 8, 1637. > Difficult weather was invariably the culprit. When not beset by severe > storms, still, calm, windless days made the ship drift for days at a time. > For 17 days the ship was off course and near the coast of Spain when the > captain at last decided they must head back because of limited supplies of > food and because more and more people were growing ill daily. His goal was > the south coast of England. There, at Ilfracombe, on December 8, Cornelis > Thomasz was stabbed by his helper, Hans van Sevenhuysen. Sevenhuysen died > the following day - a Tuesday - and the captain noted in his log how all the > people in this neighborhood went to pray on account of the severe sickness > which God is sending them. > The Rensselaerswyck at last arrived at Manhattan on Wednesday, March 4, but > could not travel to Fort Orange because the Hudson River was still closed by > ice. On Sunday, the 8th, two children born on board the vessel were baptised > at the Manhattan church. On Sunday, the 22nd, the widow of the murdered > Cornelis Thomasz, a smith, married Arent Steffeniers. Finally on March 26th, > the vessel left for Fort Orange and arrived there Tuesday, April 7th. Since > some of the passengers are first listed in accounts of April 3rd, these men > evidently traveled to Fort Orange via yacht. The Rensselaerswyck left Fort > Orange on 29 May. > This is not a proper passenger list -- but suffices nicely. Van Laer also > gives some additional 'biographical' data from the Van Rensselaer records > that are not included here. Interested researchers will have to consult the > original sources for these details > By the Rensselaerswyck. Sailed form the Texel, October 8, 1636; arrived New > Amsterdam, March 4, 1637. > .       Albert Andriesz de Noorman [Bradt] from Frederikstad [See Lorine's > Note below] > .       Arent Andriesz de Noorman [Bradt], brother of Albert > .       Thijs Barentsz, a shoemaker > .       Maurits Jansz van Broeckhuysen -- came as a farmhand; and evidently > returned in the Netherlands in 1642. A young relative of Kiliaen Van > Rensselaer. > .       Carstens Carstensz (Christen Christensz), commonly referred to as > Carsten > .       Carstensz Noorman -- prob came on the R'wyck. > .       Gijsberet Claesz (Gijsbert Claesz Jongen [the boy]) worked for the > Bradts. > .       Pieter Claesz (Niclaesz) from Nordingen or Norden, East Friesland. > He was the son in law of Cornelis Hendricksz van Nes. > .       Crijn (Quirijn) Cornelisz from Houten near Utrecht > .       Pieter Cornelisz from Munnickendam, North Holland; occasionally > referred to as Pieter Cornelisz Meulenmaecker (millwright) > .       Roelof Cornelisz from Houten near Utrecht ... brother Crijn > Cornelisz > .       Goossen Gerritsz from Westerbroeck > .       Robert Harmensz -- probably came by R'wyck > .       Adriaen Huybertsz - probably came by R'wyck > .       Rutger (Ruth) Jacobsz from Schoonderwoert, South Holland > .       Claes Jansz from Nykerck, Gelderland > .       Dirck Jansz from Edam, North Holland > .       Jacob Jansz from Amsterdam > .       Thomas Jansz from Bunnick near Utrecht > .       Jean Labatie 'fransman' -- from France > .       Arent Pietersz 'jongen' -- the boy > .       Jacob Pieteresz from Utrecth -- alias was Veeltje > .       Hans van Sevenhuysen -- sailed by the R'wyck butwas arrested in > England for killing his master Cornelis Thomasz in a tavern at Ilfracombe, > Dec 8 1636. > .       Arent Steffeniersz -- married at Manhattans the widow of the > murdered smith > .       Cornelis Thomasz on 22 March 1637. > .       Cornelis Teunis from Westbroeck; also referred to as Cornelis > Theunisz box, > .       Teunisz vanden bos, Cornelis Theunissen schoester and Kees schoester > -- signs his name 'Cornelis thonisen bos'. > .       Reynier Thijmensz (Tijmense, Timansz, Tymasen) from Edam, North > Holland. > .       Cornelis Thomasz from Rotterdam -- was killed in England by his > servant Han van Sevenhuysen > .       Teunis Cornelisz van Vechten -- probably went back the the > Netherlands and returned again in 1638. He was a boy in 1637 > .       Symon Walichsz (Walichs, Walichsen, Walinschsz, Walings, Walingen, > .       Waelingen) from Wijngaerden, district of Bildt, Friesland. > Lorine's Note re Albert Andriessen de Noorman [Bradt]: > His son Storm was born during this voyage, as per the ships' log. Storm > became Storm Vanderzee (Storm from the sea) > Lorine's Additional Research Note: > We also find, in NNC:4:3.66, an Amsterdam notarial document dated 26 Aug. > 1636 stating that Dirk Corssen Stam will be aboard the Rensselaerswijk as > merchant. > Additional Names courtesy of Howard Swain > .       Jean de la Montagne > .       Rachel de Forest > .       Maria de la Montagne (born on the voyage) > [Source: ijan tiepks Schellinger Log of the Ship Rensselaerswyck... Sept.25, > 1636 -- Nov 7, 1637 in VAN RENSSELAER BOWIER MANUSCRIPTS, ed. by A. J.F. van > Laer; 1908; p 369] > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Schwenn [mailto:schwel@comcast.net] > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 4:34 PM > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] I FOUND IT!!! Sara Theunis > > You know how to create suspense! > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Susan Claggett > <claimtofame@claggett6.com>wrote: > >> I found our Sara Theunis' birth record.  After days of seemingly non stop >> trying to put this puzzle together I am pretty sure I finally did it.and >> the >> best part is my Dad was right!!!! >> >> More to come soon.I've got to get some sleep. My husband thinks I'm crazy, >> LOL.  I am looking forward to everyone's input and helping to proving it. >> So >> excited!!! >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Susan Van Orman Claggett. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >