I've searched for records supporting Jan and Gerriken and have been unable to find anything to support it. There are no Baptism or marriage records of a Jan (either purported Jan Sr. or Jan of N.A.) within a hundred years in Arnhem. Whether it's because they never existed, or have been lost or not online, I don't know. As I recall, there were some Sara Theunis' in the right general time frame in Rotterdam, but I don't have enough enough information to link her to any (Sara being extremely common, and Teunis/Thuenis not being rare). I have no information to discredit it, but Pete has mentioned that he has reasons to disbelieve it. On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Linda Schwenn <schwel@comcast.net> wrote: > Susan and jroquetech: I am so grateful that you are posting this info. I > haven't the time right now to follow all this research in the depth I'd like > and hope I don't miss something essential in all this. I wonder if either of > you, or all you lurkers who've been following along, have seen Dutch records > to support the following which I received several years ago: > > *Descendants of Jan Derryckssen and Gerriken Beecken* > >  1. *Jan*1 *Derryckssen*, born abt 1593. He married on 23 May 1619 in > Arnhem, Gelderland, Netherlands *Gerriken* *Beecken*. > >  Children of Jan Derryckssen and Gerriken Beecken were as follows: > > + 2 i *Dirkje Jantze*2 *Van Arnhem*, born abt 1615; died in Arnhem, > Gelderland, Netherlands. He married *Magdaleentjen* *Janssen*. > >  *Generation 2* > >  2. *Dirkje Jantze*2 *Van Arnhem* (Jan1), born abt 1615; died in Arnhem, > Gelderland, Netherlands. He married on 22 Apr 1638 in Arnhem, Gelderland, > Netherlands *Magdaleentjen* *Janssen*, born abt 1615. > >  *Notes for Dirkje Jantze Van Arnhem* > > Was an officer under William II, Prince of Oranje, Count of Nassau. He > supposedly served with Saloman, brother of Rembrandt Harmenszoon van Rijn, > who was the subject of the painting "Man in a Golden Helmet". > > Children of Dirkje Jantze Van Arnhem and Magdaleentjen Janssen were as > follows: > >  3 i *Derryckssen*3 *Van Arnhem*, christened 3 Feb 1638/39. > > + 4 ii *Jan Dirckszen*3 *Van Arnhem*, christened 13 Oct 1640 in Arnhem, > Gelderland, Nederlandt, died abt 1739 in New York, New York. > >  5 iii *Joris*3 *Van Arnhem*, born 25 Jan 1642/43. > >  6 iv *Hendrik*3 *Van Arnhem*, christened 14 Jul 1647. > >  7 v *Marricken*3 *Van Arnhem*, christened Nov 1649. > > > > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Susan Claggett > <claimtofame@claggett6.com>wrote: > >> Is this just coincidental to you? >> >> Lysbeth De Roode from Danzig and child (wife of John Salme) and her child >> three years old came to New Netherland by the De Trouw, which sailed >> January >> 20, 1664.  Six months later her daughter Sara was baptized in New >> Amsterdam. >> >> >> 1664 Jul 23; Jan Salmie, Lysbeth Roden; Sara; Lambert Janszen Bosch, Sara >> Ver Plancken, Barbara Willems >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jroguetech@gmail.com [mailto:jroguetech@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 6:10 PM >> To: vannorman@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] The Faith (De Trouw) Lists Of Inhabitants Of >> Colonial New York by Edmund Bailey O'Callaghan Chapter entitled Early >> Immigrants to New Netherland 1657-1664 >> >> It sources Olive Tree, which is the source of the list I pasted. They >> attributed Sara Teunis as the child of Lysbet, when there is no reason >> to assume Sara is the child, and reason to believe she is not. Indeed, >> Olive Tree delinates the two entries as separate people. >> >> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Susan Claggett >> <claimtofame@claggett6.com> wrote: >> > The link was stripped.  I will try again. >> > http://www.slideshare.net/rhokel/index-to-new-netherland-ships-1660 >> > >> > More than half of my messages are returned to me for no apparent >> > reason...frustrating. >> > Susan >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: jroguetech@gmail.com [mailto:jroguetech@gmail.com] >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 5:43 PM >> > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] The Faith (De Trouw) Lists Of Inhabitants Of >> > Colonial New York by Edmund Bailey O'Callaghan Chapter entitled Early >> > Immigrants to New Netherland 1657-1664 >> > >> > I'm not sure of your source, but whatever the source is, it apparently >> > makes the mistake of assigning Lysbet De Roode's child to Sara >> > Theunis, listed below her. This is an error. Her child is not named, >> > nor is the "suckling child" of above him of Cornelius, or the four >> > children above him of Johannis, or the child of Lysbet above him. >> > >> > Here is the ship list: >> > Maarcelis Jansen van Bommel; farmer >> > Evert Tack, from the Barony of Breda >> > Lysbet Arens, from Amsterdam, and child >> > Johannis Hardenbroeck, from Elberveld, and Wife and four children >> > Janneken Juriaensen, from Gorcum >> > Corneliss Cornelissen Vernoey, and Wife and sucking child >> > Lysbet de Roode, from Dantzick, Wife of John Saline, and child >> > Sara Teunis >> > >> > Clearly Sara Teunis is NOT the child of Lysbet de Roode, and is either >> > an adult. This is still the best bet for our Sara based on available >> > evidence presented thus far. >> > >> > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Susan Claggett >> > <claimtofame@claggett6.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Lysbet de Roode, from Dantzick, Wife of John Saline, and child Sara >> Teunis >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The Faith (De Trouw) passenger list shows Sara Teunis as a child on the >> >> passenger list.  It is my opinion that if she were a single young woman >> > (and >> >> our Sara Teunis) it would have stated maiden behind her name and from >> like >> >> the others on this list.  This is not our Sara Teunis. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Susan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The Faith (De Trouw) >> >> >> >> December 13 1660. Captain Jan Jans Bestevaer from Lists Of Inhabitants >> Of >> >> Colonial New York by Edmund Bailey O'Callaghan Chapter entitled Early >> >> Immigrants to New Netherland 1657-1664 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Christiaen de Lorie, from St Malo, wife, mother and sister >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hendrick Jansen Spier and Wife and two children 4 and 5 yrs old >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Adriaen Huybertsen Sterrevelt; Agriculturist >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Harmen Stepfer, from the Dutchy of Cleef >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Joost Adriaensen Pynacker, from Delft >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Philip Langelens; Agriculturist, and Wife and two children >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hendrick Bos, from Leyden, and Wife and two children >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Gerrit Gerritsen, from Wageningen, and Wife and one child. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> William Aertsen, from Wagening. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Gerrit van Manen, from Wagening >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Albert Gerritsen, from Wagening. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jan Gerritsen Hagel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hendrick Jansen, from Wagening >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jan Aertsen, from Amersfoort >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Tys Jansen, from Amersfoort >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Wessel Wesselsen, from Munster >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Adolph Hardenbroeck, and Wife and Son 25 yrs old. (Pieter Rudolphus >> agrees >> >> to pay passage for the son of Adolph) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Claes Theunissen, from Gorcum, and his servant, and boy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Lubbert Harmensen, from Overyssel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Lammert Huybertsen, [Brink?] from Wagening, and Wife and two children >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jan Harmans and Wife and sucking child >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Roeloft Hendricks from Drenthe >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Femmetje Hendricksen, maiden >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Maria Mooris, from Arnhem, maiden >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Marten Abrahamsen, from Bloemendael, and Wife and two children >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The Wife of Hans Sodurat, Baker, and two children >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Leendert Arentsen Groenevelt, and Wife >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Aeltje Jacobsen; maiden >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Willem Petersen, from Amersfoort [Van Slyke aka Neef, the nephew of >> Lorine >> >> McGinnis Schulze's Cornelis Antonissen Van Slyke] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Claes Tysen, cooper, and two children >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> March 1662 from Lists Of Inhabitants Of Colonial New York by Edmund >> Bailey >> >> O'Callaghan Chapter entitled Early Immigrants to New Netherland >> 1657-1664 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Lysbert Harmens, from the Traert >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jan Gerrits, from Embden; labourer >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jacob Wouters, from Amsterdam >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Barent Witten Hooft, from Munster, Tailor, and Wife and two children >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Stoffel Smet, from Keurlo; Agriculturist >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Precilla Homes, and her brother, and one suckling >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thomas Harmensen Brouwers, from Sevenbergen; farmer >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Symon Cornie; farmer from France, and Wife >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Adriaen Gerritsen, from Utrecht; Agriculturist, and Wife and five >> children >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Albert Jansen, from Steenwyck; Tailor >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Reinier Petersen, from Steenwyck; Agriculturer >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Claes van Campen, from Oldenburg; farmer's boy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Adriaen Aartsen from Thillerwarden in Guilderland >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hendrick Arentsen, from the same place; labourer >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> January 1664 from Lists Of Inhabitants Of Colonial New York by Edmund >> > Bailey >> >> O'Callaghan Chapter entitled Early Immigrants to New Netherland >> 1657-1664 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Maarcelis Jansen van Bommel; farmer >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Evert Tack, from the Barony of Breda >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Lysbet Arens, from Amsterdam, and child >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Johannis Hardenbroeck, from Elberveld, and Wife and four children >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Janneken Juriaensen, from Gorcum >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Corneliss Cornelissen Vernoey, and Wife and sucking child >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Lysbet de Roode, from Dantzick, Wife of John Saline, and child Sara >> Teunis >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >