I have someone who was from Op de Deutelbay. Does that phrase mean anything to anyone? Is there a modern place-name equivalent to Deutlebay? Ray -----Original Message----- From: vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jroguetech@gmail.com Sent: October 23, 2010 10:00 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] another source of New Amsterdam records "aen de" is "of the" or "unto the". "Bouwer" is builder. According to Google translate "bouwerij" is brewery. Looking for other uses of "aen de", and they apparently refer to places, at least generally. "aen de Manhatans" "aen de Deutelbay" "aen de groote Kill" (groote = great; Kill is a place) "aen de Zuyt rivier" "aen de Oesterbay" And finally, "aen de armen Bouwerye. N. Haerlem". On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Ed Leifer <edleifer@rcn.com> wrote: > As someone who grew up across the Hudson from Manhattan (in Jersey City) and > is somewhat familiar with the Manhattan, the first thing that came to mind > for me was the street, The Bowery. The Bowery is supposed to be the oldest > street in the city. A little checking showed that Bowery was itself a > bastardization of the Dutch "Bouwerij" or farm. Bowery Lane apparently > originally led to Peter Stuyvesant's farm hence Bowery (Farm) Lane. I wonder > if Bouwerye is just another bastardization of Bouwerij. > > Ed Leifer > > He has showed you, O man, what is good. > And what does the Lord require of you? > To act Justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God. > Micah 6:8 (NIV) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Linda Schwenn > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 6:50 PM > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] another source of New Amsterdam records > > It was not in this online translator > http://www.freedict.com/onldict/dut.html > <http://www.freedict.com/onldict/dut.html>which I've found useful before. > > On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 3:49 PM, <jroguetech@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Abaham and Sara Eckerson's marriage: >> 1695 08 Jan; Abraham Janszen Van Aernem, jm, van Mitspatskill; Sara >> Eckeson, jd, aen de Bouwerye, beyde woonende alheir. A >> >> What does "aen de Bouwerye" translate to? >> >> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 1:46 PM, <jroguetech@gmail.com> wrote: >> > I believe these are the same records as found elsewhere (BHIC, >> > Olivetree, etc.). I alsi believe all of these are from the same >> > transcription of the same book, Records of the Reformed Dutch Church >> > in New Amsterdam and New York (aka Collections of the New York >> > Genealogical and Biographical Society Vol II). I switched to using >> > "Ancestral Things" site (used to use BHIC), because the editer claims >> > to actually have corrected some original transcription errors. Perhaps >> > some day Google will scan the original book. Also, since Ancestral >> > Things includes Albany, Schenectady, and elsewhere, makes it a bit >> > easier to source stuff. >> > > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rbillard/vital_statistics.htm<http:/ > /homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Erbillard/vital_statistics.htm> >> > >> > Jan Dirckszen had eight children, all of whose Baptisms are found in >> > the N.A. records: >> > 1664 Dec 31; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Dirckje; Tryntie Grevenraedt >> > 1669 Aug 18; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Magdalena; Jilles Joosten, >> > Maria Wouters >> > 1671 Jun 04; Jan Dircxzen Van Aernhem, Sara Theunis; Jan; Jan >> > Laurenszen Duyts, Mayken Laurens >> > 1673 Apr 09; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Abraham; Jean le Maistre, >> > Susanna Le Maistre >> > 1675 Jul 14; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Thomas; Marie; Willem Van Leyden >> > 1677 Sep 26; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Catharina; David >> > Hendrickszen, Tryntie Hercks >> > 1680 Apr 03; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Isaac (twin); Daniel >> > Terneur, Hester de La Maistre, Marritie Pieters >> > 1680 Apr 03; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Jacob (twin); Daniel >> > Terneur, Hester de La Maistre, Marritie Pieters >> > >> > Marriage records: >> > 1696 14 Oct; Jan Jansz Van Aarnem, ym liv Albany; Hester Fonda, yd liv >> > Albany [Albany records] >> > 1695 08 Jan; Abraham Janszen Van Aernem, jm, van Mitspatskill; Sara >> > Eckeson, jd, aen de Bouwerye, beyde woonende alheir. A >> > 1696 03 Jun; Jan Ekkinszen, jm van Stuyvesants bouwerje; Maryken Jans, >> > jd van N. Yorck, beyde woonende alhier >> > >> > >> > On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Stephen Wood <stephe.w300@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hi! >> >> >> >> I just noticed that the Netherlands Vital Statistics website >> >> www.genlias.nl has transcriptions of the early records of the >> "Collegiate >> >> Church of New York" as they call it and many of our early Van Arnhem >> etc. >> >> records are listed there under various spellings. (with and without > the >> Van >> >> Arn(h)*m) >> >> >> >> It would be interesting to determine if they were taken from > copies >> of >> >> records sent "home" near the time of their creation (i.e. - yearly?) or >> from >> >> copies of records sent over in the 1900's or later...... >> >> >> >> I note a couple of baptisms for children that I didn't have listed >> - >> >> sons of Abraham Van Arn(h)em and Maria Hijningen (etc.) >> >> >> >> Isaac bpt. 8 Oct. 1729 >> >> Jan bpt. 19 May 1736 >> >> as well as Abraham 31 October 1739 (who I did have.....) >> >> >> >> Are these new entries, or was I just missing them...... [The first two >> are >> >> not on any of the VN websites that I can see] >> >> >> >> Also, the 1671 baptism for Jan lists his parents as Jan Dircxzen van >> Aernhem >> >> and Sara Theunis - so it does appear that Jan Dircxzen (sic) did refer >> to >> >> himself at least once as "van Arnhem"...... although perhaps he was >> still >> >> using it as a place name and not a surname as later children didn't > have >> >> it..... >> >> >> >> Food for thought, >> >> >> >> Stephen >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Turtle Bay. ----- Original Message ----- From: "WR Cummins" <raymond.cummins@utoronto.ca> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Deutelbay I have someone who was from Op de Deutelbay. Does that phrase mean anything to anyone? Is there a modern place-name equivalent to Deutlebay? Ray -----Original Message----- From: vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jroguetech@gmail.com Sent: October 23, 2010 10:00 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] another source of New Amsterdam records "aen de" is "of the" or "unto the". "Bouwer" is builder. According to Google translate "bouwerij" is brewery. Looking for other uses of "aen de", and they apparently refer to places, at least generally. "aen de Manhatans" "aen de Deutelbay" "aen de groote Kill" (groote = great; Kill is a place) "aen de Zuyt rivier" "aen de Oesterbay" And finally, "aen de armen Bouwerye. N. Haerlem". On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Ed Leifer <edleifer@rcn.com> wrote: > As someone who grew up across the Hudson from Manhattan (in Jersey City) and > is somewhat familiar with the Manhattan, the first thing that came to mind > for me was the street, The Bowery. The Bowery is supposed to be the oldest > street in the city. A little checking showed that Bowery was itself a > bastardization of the Dutch "Bouwerij" or farm. Bowery Lane apparently > originally led to Peter Stuyvesant's farm hence Bowery (Farm) Lane. I wonder > if Bouwerye is just another bastardization of Bouwerij. > > Ed Leifer > > He has showed you, O man, what is good. > And what does the Lord require of you? > To act Justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God. > Micah 6:8 (NIV) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Linda Schwenn > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 6:50 PM > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] another source of New Amsterdam records > > It was not in this online translator > http://www.freedict.com/onldict/dut.html > <http://www.freedict.com/onldict/dut.html>which I've found useful before. > > On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 3:49 PM, <jroguetech@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Abaham and Sara Eckerson's marriage: >> 1695 08 Jan; Abraham Janszen Van Aernem, jm, van Mitspatskill; Sara >> Eckeson, jd, aen de Bouwerye, beyde woonende alheir. A >> >> What does "aen de Bouwerye" translate to? >> >> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 1:46 PM, <jroguetech@gmail.com> wrote: >> > I believe these are the same records as found elsewhere (BHIC, >> > Olivetree, etc.). I alsi believe all of these are from the same >> > transcription of the same book, Records of the Reformed Dutch Church >> > in New Amsterdam and New York (aka Collections of the New York >> > Genealogical and Biographical Society Vol II). I switched to using >> > "Ancestral Things" site (used to use BHIC), because the editer claims >> > to actually have corrected some original transcription errors. Perhaps >> > some day Google will scan the original book. Also, since Ancestral >> > Things includes Albany, Schenectady, and elsewhere, makes it a bit >> > easier to source stuff. >> > > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rbillard/vital_statistics.htm<http:/ > /homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Erbillard/vital_statistics.htm> >> > >> > Jan Dirckszen had eight children, all of whose Baptisms are found in >> > the N.A. records: >> > 1664 Dec 31; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Dirckje; Tryntie Grevenraedt >> > 1669 Aug 18; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Magdalena; Jilles Joosten, >> > Maria Wouters >> > 1671 Jun 04; Jan Dircxzen Van Aernhem, Sara Theunis; Jan; Jan >> > Laurenszen Duyts, Mayken Laurens >> > 1673 Apr 09; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Abraham; Jean le Maistre, >> > Susanna Le Maistre >> > 1675 Jul 14; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Thomas; Marie; Willem Van Leyden >> > 1677 Sep 26; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Catharina; David >> > Hendrickszen, Tryntie Hercks >> > 1680 Apr 03; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Isaac (twin); Daniel >> > Terneur, Hester de La Maistre, Marritie Pieters >> > 1680 Apr 03; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Jacob (twin); Daniel >> > Terneur, Hester de La Maistre, Marritie Pieters >> > >> > Marriage records: >> > 1696 14 Oct; Jan Jansz Van Aarnem, ym liv Albany; Hester Fonda, yd liv >> > Albany [Albany records] >> > 1695 08 Jan; Abraham Janszen Van Aernem, jm, van Mitspatskill; Sara >> > Eckeson, jd, aen de Bouwerye, beyde woonende alheir. A >> > 1696 03 Jun; Jan Ekkinszen, jm van Stuyvesants bouwerje; Maryken Jans, >> > jd van N. Yorck, beyde woonende alhier >> > >> > >> > On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Stephen Wood <stephe.w300@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hi! >> >> >> >> I just noticed that the Netherlands Vital Statistics website >> >> www.genlias.nl has transcriptions of the early records of the >> "Collegiate >> >> Church of New York" as they call it and many of our early Van Arnhem >> etc. >> >> records are listed there under various spellings. (with and without > the >> Van >> >> Arn(h)*m) >> >> >> >> It would be interesting to determine if they were taken from > copies >> of >> >> records sent "home" near the time of their creation (i.e. - yearly?) or >> from >> >> copies of records sent over in the 1900's or later...... >> >> >> >> I note a couple of baptisms for children that I didn't have listed >> - >> >> sons of Abraham Van Arn(h)em and Maria Hijningen (etc.) >> >> >> >> Isaac bpt. 8 Oct. 1729 >> >> Jan bpt. 19 May 1736 >> >> as well as Abraham 31 October 1739 (who I did have.....) >> >> >> >> Are these new entries, or was I just missing them...... [The first two >> are >> >> not on any of the VN websites that I can see] >> >> >> >> Also, the 1671 baptism for Jan lists his parents as Jan Dircxzen van >> Aernhem >> >> and Sara Theunis - so it does appear that Jan Dircxzen (sic) did refer >> to >> >> himself at least once as "van Arnhem"...... although perhaps he was >> still >> >> using it as a place name and not a surname as later children didn't > have >> >> it..... >> >> >> >> Food for thought, >> >> >> >> Stephen >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I believe my theory is coming together. Has anyone else been working on this? Anyone interested in discussing it more? Regards Susan Van Orman Claggett