Hi All, I went to the National Archives and looked at a few of the Van Norman pensions for the civil war. Thought these might be of interest to those that are related Nathaniel D. VanOrman - Pvt Co. H, 2nd Regiment US Infantry - died 5/29/1863 at Hospital in Washington, D.C. from gunshot wounds received at Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA. His father James O. Vanorman made application for pension in 1876. James O. Vanorman was born in 1813 - he is the one listed on our census list in 1840 in Calais, Washington, Vermont.(from census list of Stephen Wood - thank you Stephen I use this list alot.) The pension papers indicated James O. Vanorman was married to Cynthia Dodge on 1/1/1837 in Marshfield, Vermont at her father's home. Cynthia died 7/17/1857. They had 4 children - Nathaniel, James, William and Ann. James O. then married Sophronia Parker - does not give date but probably about 1859 since she is listed on the 1860 census with him in St. Lawrence, Russell, New York. It did say that she and James did not have any children together. In 1864 they moved to Malone, Franklin Co., New York. Sophronia had an inheritance from her father Isaac Parker. When they left Russell - the land that James O. Vanorman had he left to his son James B. Vanorman. Sophronia died about 1870 and James O. married Mary Johnson 9/26/1871 in Malone, Franklin Co., NY - I looked at 1880 census and found them listed - she had three children by her previous marriage - George, Lincoln and William and 4 children from her marriage to James O. - Cynthia, Belledora, Alma, and Harry. (It did not give maiden name of Mary Johnson) James died 12/6/1892 The pension papers included some handwritten letters from Nathaniel to his father James during the war. I made copies of these and some of the other documents from the file, which I plan to scan to the website when I get some time. Robert Van Orman - Co H., 193rd Regiment NY Infantry Robert was born in 1823 in New York and died 4/13/1896. He married Henrietta Davenport 7/1/1842 Robert and Henrietta are listed on the census records from 1850 - 1880 living in Ithaca, Tompkins Co., New York They had two children - George and Lewis. Henrietta died 3/4/1889. It was George F. Vanorman (born 11/4/1850) that applied for pension indicating he was blind and had always depended on his father. George B. Vanorman - Co D., 143th Regiment, NY Infantry Company enlisted from Ithaca, Tompkins Co., New York. George born 1841 - died 10/25/1902 He was married to Lizzie VIncent in 6/1875 in Palmyra, Missouri and divorced at the same place He had a son Henry Vanorman - born 7/28/1876. He filed for pension from state of Illinois - and an address found in papers was in Rushville, Schuyler Co., Illinois Jacob Harry Van Norman - Co H 111st Regiment, Ohio Infantry Jacob married Martha Collins on 11/24/1870 . They met at the boarding house Martha worked at and John lived at in Toledo, Ohio. Jacob went by the name of Harry. Living children as of 1897 Charles born 12/17/1871 Fred - 12/22/1872 Albert - 8/7/1875 Sophia - 2/28/1877 William - 5/19/1879 Hattie - 7/7/1887 Jacob died 6/5/1902 in Ohio George W. Van Norman - Co E. 3rd Reg. - WIsconsin Infantry - enlisted from Fond du Lac, Wisconsin Born 1840 - New York - died 9/17/1862 at Antietam his mother Harriet Van Norman filed for pension in 1885 It looks like she did not furnish all the information they needed, It did say she was the wife of Isaac Van Norman who had died 12/22/1879, aged 84 years It did not give her maiden name It listed the surving brothers and sisters of George Charles R. born 1837 Mary H. born 1838 Theo S. born 1843 James M. born 1845 Daniel E. born 1847 Adelia S. born 1849 Ella E. born 1853 Elmer J. born 1856 A E. Koefod and Olle Gilbertson signed as witnesses to her declaration for pension. Linda Noggle

Thanks Linda, for posting this. Just a comment about James O and Cynthia. He had 6 sons. Three died as infants (Alvin, Moses, and Jay) and two died in the war. Only James Birney lived his full span of years. How tragic. FYI: in the 1870 census Mary Johnson also has a daughter Mary E. age 8. Linda Schwenn On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Linda Noggle <lindanoggle@verizon.net>wrote: > Hi All, > > I went to the National Archives and looked at a few of the Van Norman > pensions for the civil war. Thought these might be of interest to those > that are related > > > Nathaniel D. VanOrman - Pvt Co. H, 2nd Regiment US Infantry - died > 5/29/1863 at Hospital in Washington, D.C. from gunshot wounds received at > Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA. > His father James O. Vanorman made application for pension in 1876. > > James O. Vanorman was born in 1813 - he is the one listed on our census > list in 1840 in Calais, Washington, Vermont.(from census list of Stephen > Wood - thank you Stephen I use this list alot.) > > The pension papers indicated James O. Vanorman was married to Cynthia Dodge > on 1/1/1837 in Marshfield, Vermont at her father's home. > Cynthia died 7/17/1857. They had 4 children - Nathaniel, James, William and > Ann. James O. then married Sophronia Parker - does not give date but > probably about 1859 since she is listed on the 1860 census with him in St. > Lawrence, Russell, New York. It did say that she and James did not have any > children together. In 1864 they moved to Malone, Franklin Co., New York. > Sophronia had an inheritance from her father Isaac Parker. When they left > Russell - the land that James O. Vanorman had he left to his son James B. > Vanorman. > Sophronia died about 1870 and James O. married Mary Johnson 9/26/1871 in > Malone, Franklin Co., NY - I looked at 1880 census and found them listed - > she had three children by her previous marriage - George, Lincoln and > William and 4 children from her marriage to James O. - Cynthia, Belledora, > Alma, and Harry. (It did not give maiden name of Mary Johnson) > James died 12/6/1892 > > The pension papers included some handwritten letters from Nathaniel to his > father James during the war. I made copies of these and some of the other > documents from the file, which I plan to scan to the website when I get > some time. > > > > > > Robert Van Orman - Co H., 193rd Regiment NY Infantry > > Robert was born in 1823 in New York and died 4/13/1896. > He married Henrietta Davenport 7/1/1842 > Robert and Henrietta are listed on the census records from 1850 - 1880 > living in Ithaca, Tompkins Co., New York > They had two children - George and Lewis. Henrietta died 3/4/1889. > > It was George F. Vanorman (born 11/4/1850) that applied for pension > indicating he was blind and had always depended on his father. > > > > > > > George B. Vanorman - Co D., 143th Regiment, NY Infantry > > Company enlisted from Ithaca, Tompkins Co., New York. > George born 1841 - died 10/25/1902 > He was married to Lizzie VIncent in 6/1875 in Palmyra, Missouri and > divorced at the same place > > He had a son Henry Vanorman - born 7/28/1876. > > He filed for pension from state of Illinois - and an address found in > papers was in Rushville, Schuyler Co., Illinois > > > > > Jacob Harry Van Norman - Co H 111st Regiment, Ohio Infantry > > Jacob married Martha Collins on 11/24/1870 . They met at the boarding > house Martha worked at and John lived at in Toledo, Ohio. > Jacob went by the name of Harry. > > Living children as of 1897 > > Charles born 12/17/1871 > Fred - 12/22/1872 > Albert - 8/7/1875 > Sophia - 2/28/1877 > William - 5/19/1879 > Hattie - 7/7/1887 > > Jacob died 6/5/1902 in Ohio > > > > > George W. Van Norman - Co E. 3rd Reg. - WIsconsin Infantry - enlisted from > Fond du Lac, Wisconsin > > Born 1840 - New York - died 9/17/1862 at Antietam > his mother Harriet Van Norman filed for pension in 1885 > It looks like she did not furnish all the information they needed, > > It did say she was the wife of Isaac Van Norman who had died 12/22/1879, > aged 84 years > It did not give her maiden name > It listed the surving brothers and sisters of George > > Charles R. born 1837 > Mary H. born 1838 > Theo S. born 1843 > James M. born 1845 > Daniel E. born 1847 > Adelia S. born 1849 > Ella E. born 1853 > Elmer J. born 1856 > > > > A E. Koefod and Olle Gilbertson signed as witnesses to her declaration for > pension. > > > > Linda Noggle > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Linda N...for this research, here's some additional information on Isaac VanNorman's family during the CW: Charles R. VanNorman enlisted in the Wisconsin Volunteers Co. F, 4th Calvary was wounded 7-15-1862 at Yaazoo River mustered out 7-8-1865 CW application #1120408 - Charles married a woman named Nancy Janet LNU and although they had a daughter named Harriet b. Jan 18, 1871 in Pilot Mound, Minnesota she apparently died young. The migrated to North Dakota where he was listed on the 1890 Veteran's Schedule and in 1900 they had adopted a daughter named Virginia. Virginia is 12 on the 1900 census. In 1918 widow applied for Charles pension - she had to file in Washington State at the time. Charles died 16 April 1918 in Portland, Oregon. George W. VanNorman's pension application number was #222778 and was filed in Minnesota by his mother Harriett VanNorman Feb 16, 1885. He enlisted in in Fond du Lac as living in Lomira Wisconsin into the Wisconsin Volunteers, Co. E, 3rd Infantry. He was killed in action at Antietam, MD 9-17-1862. Also son Theodore S. Van Orman b. about 1843 - enlisted in the Wisconsin Volunteers, Co. K, 7th Infantry shortly after 1860 and was captured at Gettysburg and listed as died 8-19-1863 at the hospital in Richmond VA. of disease per the records - however he's on the 1865 Minnesota Territorial Census in Winona Co., Saratoga, MN living at home - we think he died there shortly afterwards of disease. Seems the records weren't always very accurate. James Melville was too young to serve as was brother Daniel. James M. married Susannah Rice daughter of Harrison and Sarah Cochraine Rice in 1870. Daniel married Elmira Ferris and mother Harriet is listed in their home in 1885 Territorial Minnesota State in the city of Raymond. Elmer was a child at the time of the CW. He was born in 1858 and died of typhoid fever in August of 1870. Daughters: Mary Harriett was married to Thomas J. Torrey and we believe he died in the CW. Her second husband was Duane Manilus Philes. Mary also went by the name of Hannah (which is another name for Mary). She filed in 1900 for Duane's CW pension records claiming she was an abandoned wife. He deserted his family in 1899 and hadn't been seen since. Duane served in Co. C, 9th Reg't of the Minnesota Volunteer Infantry. She claimed that first husband Torrey had disappeared during the CW and that she had had him declared as dead. They wouldn't let her claim pension money on Torrey since his body was never found... she filed for half of Duane's pension. Adelia Sylvia married Charles L. Orcutt - she apparently died prior to her father Isaac dying as she isn't listed in the will. Some researchers have Charles as being in Co. F, 9th Reg't of the Minnesota Volunteer Infantry. He wa discharged July 26, 1865 and filed for his pension in 1893. Their two boys were reared by Harriett and are found on the 1880 census living with their grandmother then. Ella Elizabeth married my great grandfather Morris Lusk Barker in 1888. He served in the 103rd Ohio - his pension file was almost 2 inches thick as he had to substantiate he was an American - since he had lied about everything from where he was born to who his parents were. He was only 14 when he enlisted. He was fighting in Georgia (where I live now) at Resaca while my husband's great grandfather was fighting in the Wheat Fields of Gettysburg. Nope we seldom fight over the CW - we have learned that it was a horrific time and we accept that it was horrible for both sides. Leslie Barker Thomas Fear less; hope more. Eat less; chew more. Talk less; say more. Hate less; love more, and all good thing will be yours. - Swedish Proverb - On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Linda Noggle <lindanoggle@verizon.net>wrote: > Hi All, > > I went to the National Archives and looked at a few of the Van Norman > pensions for the civil war. Thought these might be of interest to > those > that are related > > > > > George W. Van Norman - Co E. 3rd Reg. - WIsconsin Infantry - > enlisted from > Fond du Lac, Wisconsin > > Born 1840 - New York - died 9/17/1862 at Antietam > his mother Harriet Van Norman filed for pension in 1885 > It looks like she did not furnish all the information they needed, > > It did say she was the wife of Isaac Van Norman who had died > 12/22/1879, > aged 84 years > It did not give her maiden name > It listed the surving brothers and sisters of George > > Charles R. born 1837 > Mary H. born 1838 > Theo S. born 1843 > James M. born 1845 > Daniel E. born 1847 > Adelia S. born 1849 > Ella E. born 1853 > Elmer J. born 1856 > > > > A E. Koefod and Olle Gilbertson signed as witnesses to her > declaration for > pension. > > > > Linda Noggle > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Leslie, Thanks for this information. I looked at the 1865 Minnesota Census - it also lists George W. on this list - last column says Charles, George and Theodore are in service. I did not find a pension application for Theodore. Do you know when Harriett died? Where Isaac and Harriett are buried? Have you ever tried to get county death records - I don't know when Minnesota counties did death records. Anyway, I am interested in this family because I am still trying to piece together the Smithfield Van Normans and am looking at the loose end Van Normans - do you have anymore clues as to Isaac's parents? Thanks Linda Noggle On Oct 29, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Leslie Thomas wrote: > Thanks Linda N...for this research, here's some additional > information on Isaac VanNorman's family during the CW: > > Charles R. VanNorman enlisted in the Wisconsin Volunteers Co. F, 4th > Calvary was wounded 7-15-1862 at Yaazoo River mustered out 7-8-1865 > CW application #1120408 - Charles married a woman named Nancy Janet > LNU and although they had a daughter named Harriet b. Jan 18, 1871 in > Pilot Mound, Minnesota she apparently died young. The migrated to > North Dakota where he was listed on the 1890 Veteran's Schedule and > in 1900 they had adopted a daughter named Virginia. Virginia is 12 > on the 1900 census. In 1918 widow applied for Charles pension - she > had to file in Washington State at the time. Charles died 16 April > 1918 in Portland, Oregon. > > George W. VanNorman's pension application number was #222778 and was > filed in Minnesota by his mother Harriett VanNorman Feb 16, 1885. He > enlisted in in Fond du Lac as living in Lomira Wisconsin into the > Wisconsin Volunteers, Co. E, 3rd Infantry. He was killed in action > at Antietam, MD 9-17-1862. > > Also son Theodore S. Van Orman b. about 1843 - enlisted in the > Wisconsin Volunteers, Co. K, 7th Infantry shortly after 1860 and was > captured at Gettysburg and listed as died 8-19-1863 at the hospital > in Richmond VA. of disease per the records - however he's on the 1865 > Minnesota Territorial Census in Winona Co., Saratoga, MN living at > home - we think he died there shortly afterwards of disease. Seems > the records weren't always very accurate. > > James Melville was too young to serve as was brother Daniel. James > M. married Susannah Rice daughter of Harrison and Sarah Cochraine > Rice in 1870. Daniel married Elmira Ferris and mother Harriet is > listed in their home in 1885 Territorial Minnesota State in the city > of Raymond. > > Elmer was a child at the time of the CW. He was born in 1858 and > died of typhoid fever in August of 1870. > > Daughters: > Mary Harriett was married to Thomas J. Torrey and we believe he died > in the CW. Her second husband was Duane Manilus Philes. Mary also > went by the name of Hannah (which is another name for Mary). She > filed in 1900 for Duane's CW pension records claiming she was an > abandoned wife. He deserted his family in 1899 and hadn't been seen > since. Duane served in Co. C, 9th Reg't of the Minnesota Volunteer > Infantry. She claimed that first husband Torrey had disappeared > during the CW and that she had had him declared as dead. They > wouldn't let her claim pension money on Torrey since his body was > never found... she filed for half of Duane's pension. > > Adelia Sylvia married Charles L. Orcutt - she apparently died prior > to her father Isaac dying as she isn't listed in the will. Some > researchers have Charles as being in Co. F, 9th Reg't of the > Minnesota Volunteer Infantry. He wa discharged July 26, 1865 and > filed for his pension in 1893. Their two boys were reared by > Harriett and are found on the 1880 census living with their > grandmother then. > > Ella Elizabeth married my great grandfather Morris Lusk Barker in > 1888. He served in the 103rd Ohio - his pension file was almost 2 > inches thick as he had to substantiate he was an American - since he > had lied about everything from where he was born to who his parents > were. He was only 14 when he enlisted. He was fighting in Georgia > (where I live now) at Resaca while my husband's great grandfather was > fighting in the Wheat Fields of Gettysburg. Nope we seldom fight > over the CW - we have learned that it was a horrific time and we > accept that it was horrible for both sides. > > > Leslie Barker Thomas > Fear less; hope more. Eat less; chew more. Talk less; say more. Hate > less; love more, and all good thing will be yours. > - Swedish Proverb - > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Linda Noggle > <lindanoggle@verizon.net>wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I went to the National Archives and looked at a few of the Van Norman >> pensions for the civil war. Thought these might be of interest to >> those >> that are related >> >> >> >> >> George W. Van Norman - Co E. 3rd Reg. - WIsconsin Infantry - >> enlisted from >> Fond du Lac, Wisconsin >> >> Born 1840 - New York - died 9/17/1862 at Antietam >> his mother Harriet Van Norman filed for pension in 1885 >> It looks like she did not furnish all the information they needed, >> >> It did say she was the wife of Isaac Van Norman who had died >> 12/22/1879, >> aged 84 years >> It did not give her maiden name >> It listed the surving brothers and sisters of George >> >> Charles R. born 1837 >> Mary H. born 1838 >> Theo S. born 1843 >> James M. born 1845 >> Daniel E. born 1847 >> Adelia S. born 1849 >> Ella E. born 1853 >> Elmer J. born 1856 >> >> >> >> A E. Koefod and Olle Gilbertson signed as witnesses to her >> declaration for >> pension. >> >> >> >> Linda Noggle >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I second the vote of thanks Linda! - these have helped me sort out a couple of my family entries. With regards to Jacob Harry [Harrison??] Van Norman I have him from the 1900 census [Lima Ward 3, Allen Co., Ohio], but can't locate him in any earlier ones..... Have you had any better luck? I'm also not sure who his parents are, as all my best choices are accounted for - any suggestions? Thanks, Stephen On 10/29/10, Linda Noggle <lindanoggle@verizon.net> wrote: > Hi All, > > I went to the National Archives and looked at a few of the Van Norman > pensions for the civil war. Thought these might be of interest to those > that are related > > > > Jacob Harry Van Norman - Co H 111st Regiment, Ohio Infantry > > Jacob married Martha Collins on 11/24/1870 . They met at the boarding house > Martha worked at and John lived at in Toledo, Ohio. > Jacob went by the name of Harry. > > Living children as of 1897 > > Charles born 12/17/1871 > Fred - 12/22/1872 > Albert - 8/7/1875 > Sophia - 2/28/1877 > William - 5/19/1879 > Hattie - 7/7/1887 > > Jacob died 6/5/1902 in Ohio

Hi Stephen, I could not find them in the 1880 census either, but I looked on the Mormom site - Pilot search program and found some of the children's marriage records and they indicated they were born in Toledo, Ohio Listed parents as Harry and Martha Collins Van Norman I did find Martha with son Fred in the 1920 census in Toledo, Ohio under the name Van Naman I have no idea about the parents. Linda On Oct 29, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Stephen Wood wrote: > I second the vote of thanks Linda! - these have helped me sort out a > couple of my family entries. > > With regards to Jacob Harry [Harrison??] Van Norman > > I have him from the 1900 census [Lima Ward 3, Allen Co., Ohio], but > can't locate him in any earlier ones..... Have you had any better > luck? > > I'm also not sure who his parents are, as all my best choices are > accounted for - any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Stephen > > On 10/29/10, Linda Noggle <lindanoggle@verizon.net> wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I went to the National Archives and looked at a few of the Van Norman >> pensions for the civil war. Thought these might be of interest to those >> that are related >> >> >> >> Jacob Harry Van Norman - Co H 111st Regiment, Ohio Infantry >> >> Jacob married Martha Collins on 11/24/1870 . They met at the boarding house >> Martha worked at and John lived at in Toledo, Ohio. >> Jacob went by the name of Harry. >> >> Living children as of 1897 >> >> Charles born 12/17/1871 >> Fred - 12/22/1872 >> Albert - 8/7/1875 >> Sophia - 2/28/1877 >> William - 5/19/1879 >> Hattie - 7/7/1887 >> >> Jacob died 6/5/1902 in Ohio > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message