Sister to our Sara? 1654 20 Dec; Theunis Janszen; Marritje; Heyltje Pieters -----Original Message----- From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 4:31 AM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] I FOUND IT!!! Sara Theunis That may not have been our Sara Theunis on the De Trouw or she could have gone to visit her homeland with relatives and was returning. We will never know for sure. Are there records of passengers sailing for New Amsterdam to Amsterdam? I'm new to the early records search since I have not been focusing on this part of my family tree until the past few weeks. I have really been enjoying the stories on Google books and other sites. It puts it all together much better for me. Dirkje's Sara and Jan could have moved away or died like you said. I have not seen death records from the early times like they have on BHIC. Susan -----Original Message----- From: jroguetech@gmail.com [mailto:jroguetech@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 4:22 AM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] I FOUND IT!!! Sara Theunis Most people didn't get married until 17 or 18. 16 was pretty uncommon, and 15 almost unheard of. What I meant about the kids of the other Sara and Jan is that, since the records don't show other children by them, either one of them died or they moved. If one died, it should be in the records, especially if Jan died. If they moved, they should show up in records of Albany, or wherever they may have moved to. "Getting it right' would be solving problem(s). What is not "right" with Sara being on the De Trouw? On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:59 AM, Susan Claggett <claimtofame@claggett6.com> wrote: > John I believe you misunderstood.  I do believe the other children are all > children of our Jan and Sara, just not Dirkje. However the one that lists > Sara as Sara Thomas (Marie) makes me wonder a little bit.   Sixteen was > quite a common age to get married and have children during that time period. > > > It may not solve any problems but it just might get it right.  The records > are fitting together nicely and our Sara and Jan are fitting right in with > the first settlers families. > > Susan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jroguetech@gmail.com [mailto:jroguetech@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:37 AM > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] I FOUND IT!!! Sara Theunis > > Interesting theory. > > Off hand, I can think of a few problems... Since you propose (reading > between the lines) that Jan and Sara of the marriage record had no > children other than Dirkje, either Jan or Sara died. There should be a > widower Jan somewhere (there clearly is no Sara, widow of Jan > Dirkszen). Or some of the children (including Jan Janse) could be the > "other" Jan and Sara's (which would be back to square one), and would > raise the question of why no children of the two pairs of Sara & Jan > overlap. Basically, you are creating two new people that need to be > accounted for. Where are they? > > Also, the court case with Jan being accused of stealing boots strongly > implies Jan "van Arnhem" is a soldier, creating a link between "Jan > van Arnhem" and "Jan the soldier". > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems this theory doesn't actually > solve any problems, except the early birth of Dirkje, which really > isn't a problem (as Pete pointed out, premature births weren't > uncommon, assuming she didn't concieve enroute). In turn, you > introduce a number of other problems. Sara's propossed age of 16 at > the birth of Magdalena (abt 15y 6m at conception) would itself be a > larger problem that Dirkje's birth date. > > It's certainly is worthwhile research - even if incorrect, you may > unearth a link between Jan T. and Sara. I look forward to hearing more > about the theory. > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:14 AM, Susan Claggett > <claimtofame@claggett6.com> wrote: >> I am working on proven that now John but it is going to take some time to >> sort it all out.  I went out and collected a lot of information and I am >> adding it to my tree now.  We know that we have been dealing with more > than >> one Jan Dircksen and Sara Theunis.  I think our Sara Theunis and Jan >> Dirckzen were born in New Amsterdam.  I think Sara's birth record is below >> with her either being born or baptized as an older child in 1653.  I also >> believe it is likely that our Jan Dirckszen was born in New Amsterdam as >> well. >> >> >> >> >> >> 1653 20 Apr; Theunis Janszen; Sara; David de Potter and his wife >> >> >> >> >> >> I think Dirckje may belong to another Jan Dirckszen and Sara > Theunis/Thomas. >> >> >> >> 1664 Dec 31; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Dirckje; Tryntie Grevenraedt >> >> >> >> I also think our Sara Theunis my have been from a Catholic family in The >> Netherlands like Pete had mentioned and that they had some French > ancestry. >> >> >> >> It may not have been our Sara Theunis on the De Trowe in 1664 which would >> solve the early baby dilemma. Magdelena should be the first born/named >> female and the sponsors fit perfectly. >> >> >> >> Below are the Baptismal records for the children that we have believed are >> of our Jan Dirckszen Van Aernhem and Sara Theunis. >> >> >> >> Susan >> >> >> >> 1664 Dec 31; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Dirckje; Tryntie Grevenraedt >> >> >> >> 1669 Aug 18; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Magdalena; Jilles Joosten, Maria >> Wouters >> >> >> >> 1671 Jun 04; Jan Dircxzen Van Aernhem, Sara Theunis; Jan; Jan Laurenszen >> Duyts, Mayken Laurens >> >> >> >> 1673 Apr 09; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Abraham; Jean le Maistre, > Susanna >> Le Maistre >> >> >> >> 1675 Jul 14; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Thomas; Marie; Willem Van Leyden >> >> >> >> 1677 Sep 26; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Catharina; David Hendrickszen, >> Tryntie Hercks >> >> >> >> 1680 Apr 03; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Isaac (twin); Daniel Terneur, >> Hester de La Maistre, Marritie Pieters >> >> >> >> 1680 Apr 03; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Jacob (twin); Daniel Terneur, >> Hester de La Maistre, Marritie Pieters >> >> >> >> I am having trouble getting this message thru to Rootsweb.  Sorry if it >> duplicates! >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: jroguetech@gmail.com [mailto:jroguetech@gmail.com] >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:00 AM >> >> To: vannorman@rootsweb.com >> >> Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] I FOUND IT!!! Sara Theunis >> >> >> >> A lot of data... Could you peice it together for us? >> >> >> >> The critical question being what links Sara and Jan Theunissen, or Sara to >> Amsterdam? >> >> >> >> James Riker's comment is certainly intriguing, but it's unsourced. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message