Just looking at some Van Norman records in Michigan - Philip W. & Phebe Van Ornum buried Ross Center Cemetery for Philip it says he was 36y 4 months - died 1/18/1886 (I believe this was probably 86 years) Phebe died 3/14/1886 - was 81 year 7 months son Willis 10/20/1879 - 36 years also listed Charles Vanorman 3/21/1862 1 yr 6 month - son of B.W. & Malinda Vanorman George Vanorman 9/12/1862 9/12/1862 12 day - son of B.W. & Malinda Vanorman Robert Vanorman 7/13/1886 - 54 years "G.A.R." Co. F. 8th Michigan Cav. this is in Ross Twsp, Kalamazoo, Michigan Linda Noggle