Hi Leslie: I am glad that you were able to have a family DNA test done. Was it a Y test from a male relative thru the VanNorman project? Did your line match the Pennsylvania - Joseph Van Norman & Elizabeth Wybern line R1b1b2 or the early NY line R1A? My brother's test is 169963 which is the Early NY Ancestry of R1a. We are getting closer IMO to finding our answers. Susan -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Thomas [mailto:aeriehollow@ellijay.com] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 6:12 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: [VANNORMAN] Isaac VanNorman Pennsylvania b. 1794 Always glad to see the volume of activity on this list. I've been searching in depth using the Google Books site for information on my Isaac VanNorman b. 1794 in PA and died 22 Dec 1878 in MN. I've gone so far as to have the family finder DNA tests done and found dozens of cousins but have no idea how most are related. One recently came about that intrigues me in that this person has the surnames Janzen, Klassen, Loewen and Doerksen in their genealogy. I believe I had seen some of these names on this list indicate that these families married into VN lines. I have yet to find Harriet's, wife of my Isaac, maiden name. I have determined their children (forgive my repeating this information): Charles R. VN 1837-1918 m. Jane (or Nancy Jane) no further info on this couple, anyone have him in their tree? Mary Harriett 1838-1910 m. 1st Thomas Torrey, 2nd Duane Philes George W. 1840-1862 died during the CW at Antietam Theodore S. 1843-1865 died after the CW from illness contracted during the CW. James Melville 1845-1919 m. Susannah Rice Daniel E. 1848 m. Elmira Ferris (Harriet is listed in their home on the 1885 Territorial MN State Census) Sylvia Adelia or Adelia Sylvia 1849 m. Charles L. Orcutt (he lived to file a pension app in 1893 from the CW) their children are found on the 1880 census for MN living with grandmother Harriet... but no information is found as to why or where they are after that. Ella E. 1854-1918 (my great grandmother) m. Morris Barker Elmer J. 1858-1870 died of typhoid fever In checking the books I found five Pennsylvania VNs listed as soldiers in Captain Benj. Schonovers Co. 5th Bat. of North Hampton Co. in 1782. Anyone know what the abbreviations mean before their names: 5ts William VN 3ts Isaac VN 8th Joseph VN 1741-1824 (b. Pa, d. Oh.) 1st Class Ephraim VN 7th Class Samuel VN Anyone have any of these men in their trees? I'm assuming most of these men are related somehow. Further listing states that Isaac VN of NY re'cd a Rev. War bounty land grant in PA July 8, 1790. Could this be Isaac VN b. 1794 father? Leslie Barker Thomas Fear less; hope more. Eat less; chew more. Talk less; say more. Hate less; love more, and all good thing will be yours. - Swedish Proverb - ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message