Albert Vanorman is listed in the first known ancestor's list (those whom we cannot link to a known ancestor). A group sheet for Albert is posted on the Van Norman Family Association website: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vnfa/families-VN031.html<http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Evnfa/families-VN031.html> I've added him to the VNFA website along with documentation on what I've found about him, his parents and descendants. His first marriage record says he was born in Hillsdale, MI. On his second marriage record, which indicates a second marriage for him and 2-3 previous marriages for Orilla, his parents are identified as Osman Van Norman (US), and Caroline Folson, (NY) [to see this record go to the Family Search pilot site, and search for Caroline Folson in Michigan.]. Together, these facts suggest a possible relationship to Ephraim Vanorman (b NY) who married Sophronia Perry Folsom, who lived in Hillsdale, MI, in 1850, 1870, 1880. His first marriage record his name is James, but all subsequent records I found have him as Albert or Bert. James/Sarah F married in 1874 and the 1880 census has Albert/Sarah together. So I feel Albert and James are one guy, just disconcerting to have "James" not appear on any other document so far. Anyone have an idea who this Osman Van Norman is? Linda Schwenn