Hello all, It is endlessly fascinating reading about our favorite couple, Janz Dirkz and Sara Tuenis. And Pete, I think it is quite plausible for there to be an 8-10 year wait after birth for a person to be baptised. My 2nd great grandfather, Daniel D. VanOrnam was born in 1808 but wasn't baptised until 1830. So I'm sticking with the 1654 birth date for Sara.....for now. As for Sara being listed on the DeTroux, someone from Olive Tree told me there were no passenger lists per se, just a list of persons who still owed for their passage to America. I feel Janz was a paying passenger and Sara wasn't, which is why her name is listed and his isn't. Pete- who is this Ryker that you mention in reference to Jan Dirkz and Sara and the VanArnhem family? Did he write a book about them? I enjoy reading the little side line pieces of information about the VanArmhems... it makes them seem more like real people than just wispy figures of our kin who lived more than 300 years ago. Sandy