YES YES YES Great idea Arlene! Pim would you be able to or be willing to or find a male ancestor to take a DNA test so we can all prove our relations? Are you aware of the Van Norman DNA program that Stephen Wood is heading up at Family Tree DNA under the project name of Van Norman? Charlie Van Norman and my brother matched perfectly at 32 markers and we are believed to be from the old NY line which is the same tail male line as your family Pim. This could be our big breakthrough!!! Regards, Susan Van Orman Claggett -----Original Message----- From: Charlie Van Norman [mailto:charlie@vannorman.com] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 9:30 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] VANNORMAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 89 Arlene, I say absolutely yes on the DNA test. Charlie Van Norman On 7/19/2010 5:37 PM, Arlene Reeves wrote: > Hi ALL, > > I have heard so many times "don't trust what you find on the internet"! And that includes geneology info as well as medical advice, etc. I've also heard the "VanArnhem Family in North America" book has many mistakes. The internet and the book also have many accurate pieces of information. I know from experience there are errors in many documents, including official documents. I recently spoke with a village clerk who had birth certificate request from a women who had born 4 children - her birth certificate says she is a male, the clerk could not correct that info. She was applying for Social Security, what a mess she had. And my favorite story is a picture I have from my parents home with "Leon and his grandfather" written on the back. Leon Joseph Van Norman is my father, he was born May 22, 1905, his grandfather Oliver Augustus Van Norman died October 15, 1904. The pic can't be who it says! > > > > I have made many assumptions in my research and I'm sure we all know what assume means. I'm sure I have many errors in my personal Family Tree Maker program. All information is important and might lead to the accurate account of our heritage. > > > > Most important is that we treat others research with respect. That does not mean we can't challange or correct each other as we all need the help! > > Arlene > > PS: Do you think we should ask Pim if there is a living male in the family that would do the DNA test? > > >> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:28:09 +0200 >> From: wc.van.arnhem@xmsnet.nl >> To: vannorman@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] VANNORMAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 89 >> >> Hi people in the States, >> >> Like I have written in the past, I used the next sources for my >> US-branch of the family Van Arnhem (and Pete I'm absolutely familiar >> with the meaning of the name!!). Since I haven't had time to work >> evidence of the sources on the US-branch, there has been no mail from >> me. (My focus is on the Dutch-branches and those are all verified and >> trustworthy). So for the US-branch on my site I used these sources: >> http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vnfa/families.html >> http://gedcomindex.com/towns/nlge004.html >> http://www.ristenbatt.com/genealogy >> http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=joanfran&id=I00239 ] >> >> If those Us-sources are not reliable, then you are right that my info is >> indeed also not reliable. If you have more and/or better info, I'll be >> glad to receive is. >> Greetings from the Netherlands. >> Pim van Arnhem >> >> Op 10-7-2010 9:02, vannorman-request@rootsweb.com schreef: >> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Genealogy of van Arnhem by Pim van Arnhem (Susan Claggett) >>> 2. Re: Genealogy of van Arnhem by Pim van Arnhem (Pete Gonigam) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:01:52 -0500 >>> From: "Susan Claggett"<claimtofame@claggett6.com> >>> Subject: [VANNORMAN] Genealogy of van Arnhem by Pim van Arnhem >>> To:<vannorman@rootsweb.com> >>> Message-ID:<D0FDA67EDF7F4081AC24607EAC94627E@vantk1o0kgylz7> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>> Has anyone seen this website? And if so is the information believed to be >>> accurate? Thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> Susan >>> >>> >>> >>> http://home.xmsnet.nl/pimonline/tak-arnhem-VS.html >>> >>> >>> >>> Genealogy of van Arnhem by Pim van Arnhem >>> >>> The genealogy of Dirk Jansz van Arnhem begins in Arnhem , but already in the >>> second generation son in January Dircksen travels from Arnhem to the United >>> States of America . We are therefore faced with one branch primarily in the >>> U.S. developed . >>> >>> Fascinating is the number of name changes: of Aernhem, of Aernam, >>> d'Arenberg, Vanorman, of Aarnem, of Aernum, of ornamental, Vann Orman, by >>> Arnam, of Arnum, of Ornum, Norman >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 12:05:54 -0500 >>> From: "Pete Gonigam"<gonigam@hotmail.com> >>> Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Genealogy of van Arnhem by Pim van Arnhem >>> To:<vannorman@rootsweb.com> >>> Message-ID:<BLU0-SMTP5877106E60418C9CAD733FABB50@phx.gbl> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> I hadn't seen his site but this guy popped up on the board a few times a >>> couple of years ago all hot and bothered that he'd found "U.S. Van Arnhems". >>> Even though he's Dutch it hadn't occurred to him that Van Arnhem just means >>> "from Arnhem" and lotsa people were in the old days. (There was a Henry >>> "from Arnhem" in Brooklyn 1742 or so who had no connection with our line; >>> I've never figured out if he died or took a different surname.) Anyway, I >>> told Pim I could suggest some fruitful lines of research to pursue in >>> Netherlands if he wanted to research U.S. Van Arnhems but he never answered >>> back. >>> >>> The site as far as U.S. Van Arnhems (etc.) is concerned is utterly >>> unreliable. >>> >>> There's nothing other than "Van Arnhem" to connect our Jan Dircks with the >>> parents listed on the site (and several reasons to think they're the wrong >>> ones.) Jan Dirks wasn't on the "Broken Heart", rather (no records, only >>> logic) "The Faith" with Sara Theunis. Sara was NOT the daughter of Theunis >>> Van Sallee. (Records show that woman married someone else and died in >>> Massachussets, I think.) Etc., etc., etc. >>> >>> I don't have a copy of it, but I think one way or another, this guy's site >>> derives from "Van Arnhems in North America" which we've proved in many ways >>> is itself unreliable. >>> >>> --pete >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Susan Claggett"<claimtofame@claggett6.com> >>> To:<vannorman@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:01 AM >>> Subject: [VANNORMAN] Genealogy of van Arnhem by Pim van Arnhem >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Has anyone seen this website? And if so is the information believed to be >>>> accurate? Thanks >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Susan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://home.xmsnet.nl/pimonline/tak-arnhem-VS.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Genealogy of van Arnhem by Pim van Arnhem >>>> >>>> The genealogy of Dirk Jansz van Arnhem begins in Arnhem , but already in >>>> the >>>> second generation son in January Dircksen travels from Arnhem to the >>>> United >>>> States of America . We are therefore faced with one branch primarily in >>>> the >>>> U.S. developed . >>>> >>>> Fascinating is the number of name changes: of Aernhem, of Aernam, >>>> d'Arenberg, Vanorman, of Aarnem, of Aernum, of ornamental, Vann Orman, by >>>> Arnam, of Arnum, of Ornum, Norman >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> To contact the VANNORMAN list administrator, send an email to >>> VANNORMAN-admin@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> To post a message to the VANNORMAN mailing list, send an email to VANNORMAN@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> __________________________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>> email with no additional text. >>> >>> >>> End of VANNORMAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 89 >>> **************************************** >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. 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