----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Schwenn" <schwel@comcast.net> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Isaac Van Norman Hi Linda,With all the activity with genetic material, have we been able to connect Isaac/Pierson to his father? Jim jiro96@comcast.net> ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

*Biographical Review of Hancock County, Illinois*, Chicago, Ill. : Hobart Pub. Co., 1907, p 618 CHARLES H. VAN AERNAM Charles H. Van Aernam is the owner of good farming property in Hancock county and has resided at his present place of residence in Montebello township since 1854. He was born in Lewis county. New York, June 16, 1848, his parents being Anthony and Susan (Wardwell) Van Aernam, both of whom were natives of New York. The grandfather, William Van Aernam, was also a resident of the Empire state. The maternal grandparents were Dennis and Lydia (Church) Ward well, the former a native of Pennsylvania and the latter of Ohio. In the year 1842 Austin Wardwell, a brother of Dennis Ward well, came to Hancock county, settling in Montebello township. He took part in the Mormon war under the command of Colonel Smith, who afterward served in the Civil war. Leaving the east. Anthony Van Aernam and his family started for Illinois, making the journey by railroad to Chicago, whence they proceeded to Rock Island and down the Mississippi river to Keokuk, where they arrived on the 2d of October, 1854. In Montebello township Mr. Van Aernam purchased eighty acres on section 22. It was wild land and there were still deer and wolves in the county, while all kinds of wild fowl could be had in abundance, showing that the work of improvement had scarcely been begun and that many conditions and evidences of pioneer life were still to be seen here. Mr. Van Aernam built a house, sixteen by twenty feet, and put other improvements upon his place. With characteristic energy he began cultivating the soil and as the years passed and he prospered in his undertakings he added to his possessions until he owned two hundred and forty acres of rich and productive land at the time of his death, which occurred on the 23d of August. 1904. His wife passed away December 23, 1893. In their family were four sons: George, Charles H., William and Ransom. Charles H. Van Aernam made his home with his parents until twenty-one years of age and acquired his education in the public schools, while the periods of vacation were largely devoted to farm labor. On attaining his majority he went to Audubon county, Iowa, where he was engaged in trading in land and also in the stock business. Five years later he returned to his home place in this township and has since lived here. After about fifteen years he sold the property, which up to that time he had owned and cultivated, to his brother. He had a tract of eighty acres adjoining the home place and which had been inherited from his father, from whom he also received the personal property. On selling his original farm Mr. Van Aernam purchased his brother William's farm of eighty acres. He has altogether two hundred and forty acres of rich and productive land, making him one of the substantial agriculturists of the community, and to his work he brings intelligence and enterprise that have resulted in the acquirement of "a handsome property. He has a barn, thirty by one hundred and twenty feet, a scale house and other modern equipments, and the well developed property returns to him a gratifying income. Having never married, he makes his home with his brother Ransom. His political views are in accord with republican principles and although he is not a politician in the sense of office seeking, he keeps well informed on the questions and issues of the day. Ransom D. Van Aernam, rated with the representative and prosperous farmers of Montebello township, was born in Lewis county, Xe\v York, April 16, 1852, and was educated in the district schools of Hancock county. He was reared in the usual manner of farm lads and the history of his family is given in connection with that of his brother, Charles H. Van Aernam, which appears above. He lived upon the home farm until twentytwo years of age and on the i/th of April, 1873, he was united in marriage to Miss Robenia Morrison,_who was born in Glasgow, Scotland, October 7, 1853, her parents being John and Robenia (Glenn) Morrison. The mother died during the infancy of her daughter and the father afterward wedded Mary Robinson, a native of Scotland. In the year 1865 he brought his family to America, settling at Hamilton in Hancock county. Illinois, where he lived for a year and then removed to Montebello township. He made his home in Iowa for five years with his daughter, Mrs. Van Aernam. and afterward returned to Hamilton, where he passed away on the 9th of August. 1885. His second wife still survives and is now residing in Kansas. Mrs. Van Aernam pursued her education in the common schools of Scotland and of Hancock county, Illinois, having been about eleven years of age when she came with her father to the United States. Two years after their marriage Mr. and Mrs. Van Aemam removed to Audubon county, Iowa, and for seven years he rented his father's farm there and engaged in its cultivation and improvement. He afterward removed to Villisca, Montgomery county, Iowa, where he purchased a house and lot and made his home for twenty years. He was in the employ of a hardware and implement firm for seven years during that period and for one year had charge of the county bridge work. He still owns property in Villisca, but in 1902 removed to his portion of the home place, comprising eighty acres. He has in his possession the first eighty-acre tract which his father secured on coming to Montebello township. On the farm is a barn, thirty by thirty-six feet and sixteen feet posts, which has replaced a barn that was destroyed by fire in 1895. He has a corn crib, granary and wagon shed and also a tool house, and thus his farm is well equipped, being supplied with all modern accessories and conveniences. Mr. Van Aernam also owns property in Hamilton, having purchased two vacant lots there in the spring of 1906. Unto our subject and his wife have been born three children. William A., born May 20, 1874, married Anna Niell, of Iowa. In November, 1902, he cut his knee with a corn knife and later blood poisoning set in, resulting in his death on the 29th of that month. Frankie A., born August 16, 1875, died of diptheria in June, 1888. Jessie May, born in 1890. died July 4, 1895. Mr. and Mrs. Van Aerman joined the Methodist Episcopal church in the winter of 1882 and she is now a member of the Ladies' Aid Society. The family has long been well known in this county and the Van Aernam brothers are prominently connected with agricultural pursuits, being known as enterprising and reliable business men, and are held in the highest esteem by all who know them. Additional note on Anthony and his parents: Thomas Gregg, in his "History of Hancock Co...1880" p. 817 has the following information. "A. Vanaerman, farmer, etc., sec. 22; P. O., Hamilton, Ill.; was born in New York, March 24, 1823, is a son of Abram and Christina Vanaerman. He received but an ordinary education; came to this county in the fall of 1854, and has since resided within its limits. In 1861 he enlisted as a soldier in Co. A, 1st Reg. Iowa Cavalry (an independent regiment); participated in the following skirmishes: Prairie Grove, Boonville, and Bice Mertra; at the last named place he was shot through the wrist, which disabled him, and he returned home, Aug. 6, 1864, having served three years. He was married, May 2, 1846, to Susan Wardwell, by whom he has had 4 children; viz., Geo. M., Chas. H., Wm, B. and Ranson D." *Census Data*: Note that the following are all neighbors, all living within a house or two of each other: I think Anthony and Giles (with first wife) are the sons of Abram and Catherine Batt Vanaernam, Andrew is son of Jan Dirkson and Maria Crounse Vanaernam, John D. is Jan Dirkson Vanaernam. 1850 United States Federal Census Name: Anthony Vannaerman Age: 29 Estimated birth year: abt 1821 Birth Place: New York Gender: Male Home in 1850 (City,County,State): Greig, Lewis, New York Family Number: 1490 Household Members: Name Age Anthony Vannaerman 29 Susan Vannaerman 27 George Vannaerman 4 Charles Vannaerman 2 William Vannaerman 5 1850 United States Federal Census Name: Andrew Vannaerman Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1815 Birth Place: New York Gender: Male Home in 1850 (City,County,State): Greig, Lewis, New York Family Number: 1491 Household Members: Name Age Andrew Vannaerman 35 Hannah Vannaerman 28 Worthy Vannaerman 10 1850 United States Federal Census Name: John D Vannaerman Age: 71 Estimated birth year: abt 1779 Birth Place: Germany Gender: Male Home in 1850 (City,County,State): Greig, Lewis, New York Family Number: 1493 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Rozell 45 John D Vannaerman 71 Mary Vannaerman 18 Sarah Vannaerman 15 John Vannaerman 13 William Vannaerman 10 Jame Vannaerman 8 1850 United States Federal Census Name: Giles B Vannaewman Age: 29 Estimated birth year: abt 1821 Birth Place: New York Gender: Male Home in 1850 (City,County,State): Greig, Lewis, New York Family Number: 1496 Household Members: Name Age Giles B Vannaewman 29 Lucia Vannaewman 29 Thankfal Coss 57 I would appreciate any comments or corrections. Linda Schwenn

Hi all, I found some info on the web about Joseph and sent a note to the Detroit Society for Genealogical Research and received the attached response. Have any of you found other references to this info. Arlene Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:15:54 +0000 From: pibbotson@comcast.net To: arkretired@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Detroit Society for Genealogical Research. Dear Arlene, The reference to Joseph Van Norman was a query from member S-235 who is probably deceased by now. The full view is Van Norman (Van Orman) - Depew (DePuis) -Wybern: Want parentage, place of birth, any data of Joseph Van Norman, b. 1742; boyhood years lived near Delaware Water Gap, Bucks Co., Pa. with Samuel Depew; m. Elizabeth Wybern; they lived in Lower Smithfield Twp, Northampton Co., Pennsylvania; later moved to Ontario Co., NY. They had 11 children. Joseph d. 1824, Canandaigua, NY. He had several brothers, all from Holland. Correspondence invited. Sincerely, Patricia Ibbotson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arlene Reeves" <arkretired@hotmail.com> To: pibbotson@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:18:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Detroit Society for Genealogical Research. My name is Arlene Van Norman Reeves and I found a reference to "Magazine - Volume 31-32", page 180 referring to Joseph Van Norman. This was a "snippet" view. I am interested in the full view and reference. How would I obtain it. Thank you Arlene Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/

Keep grains of salt handy when reading this, I think, and hold on to your wallet. Did you happen to find any documentation for Bernhard? I looked without success, but briefly. Occasionally though some of the VA's in censuses mark father's birthplace as Germany. However, since the Arnhem area of the Netherlands is close to Germany, I never made much of it. Then again, this would be a somewhat overlooked source for a VA/VN line. We have to remember to keep options open and consider valid evidence. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Arlene Reeves <arkretired@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > > > > http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.fc/qx/vannorman-family-crest.htm > > > > This sight "claims" Bernhard Friedr Von Normann was one of the 1st Van > Norman in America. Has anyone heard of him before? > > > > >From Germany: this is on ancestry.com about him > > > > Annotation: > Hessian Troops in the American War for Independence: An Index According to > Surname. Date and place of entry in unit books. Year of birth, place of > origin, rank, unit, category of presentation, and archive code of the source > are also provided. > > > > > > > > Annotation: > Hessian Troops in the American War for Independence: An Index According to > Surname. Date and place of entry in unit books. Year of birth, place of > origin, rank, unit, category of presentation, and archive code of the source > are also provided. > > > > > > > > > > > > Annotation: > Hessian Troops in the American War for Independence: An Index According to > Surname. Date and place of entry in unit books. Year of birth, place of > origin, rank, unit, category of presentation, and archive code of the source > are also provided. > > > > > > Annotation: > Hessian Troops in the American War for Independence: An Index According to > Surname. Date and place of entry in unit books. Year of birth, place of > origin, rank, unit, category of presentation, and archive code of the source > are also provided. > Arlene > _________________________________________________________________ > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.fc/qx/vannorman-family-crest.htm This sight "claims" Bernhard Friedr Von Normann was one of the 1st Van Norman in America. Has anyone heard of him before? >From Germany: this is on ancestry.com about him Annotation: Hessian Troops in the American War for Independence: An Index According to Surname. Date and place of entry in unit books. Year of birth, place of origin, rank, unit, category of presentation, and archive code of the source are also provided. Annotation: Hessian Troops in the American War for Independence: An Index According to Surname. Date and place of entry in unit books. Year of birth, place of origin, rank, unit, category of presentation, and archive code of the source are also provided. Annotation: Hessian Troops in the American War for Independence: An Index According to Surname. Date and place of entry in unit books. Year of birth, place of origin, rank, unit, category of presentation, and archive code of the source are also provided. Annotation: Hessian Troops in the American War for Independence: An Index According to Surname. Date and place of entry in unit books. Year of birth, place of origin, rank, unit, category of presentation, and archive code of the source are also provided. Arlene _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/

Arlene Here is another extract from lists at the Pennsylvania archives. Note URL at end of the first citation. I assume that this Joseph VN and Ephraim VN were father and eldest son. Ray private Joseph Van Norman private Ephraim Vanormen private Benjamin Van Nauker private Levi Van Nauker Pennsylvania Archives Series 5 Volume IV Chapter 23: Soldiers Who Received Depreciation Pay as Per Cancelled Certificates on File in the Division of Public Records, Pennsylvania State Library page 353. (Soldiers who served during the years 1777-1780, when the currency was depreciating, were paid in Continental bills of Credit, which quickly lost value. To make amends for such depreciation, each of these men who in 1781 yet remained in line service was awarded a substantial sum in Depreciation Pay Certificates, which were both interest bearing and negotiable, like bonds of the present day.) http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/BAH/DAM/military/revwar.htm -----Original Message----- From: vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Arlene Reeves Sent: February 14, 2010 6:56 PM To: vannorman rootsweb Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Isaac Van Norman Ray & Leslie Where were you on the pa archives site to find these names? Were they on a list or did you have to compile it? I was at the following and couldn't find what you were looking at: http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/state_archives/2887 Arlene > From: aeriehollow@ellijay.com > Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:37:32 -0500 > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Isaac Van Norman > > Pennsylvania Archives: > Additional spellings - I imagine these are file numbers after the > names... > Van Arman xix-174 > Vanarmon, Ephraim xxvi -197 > Vaneman, George xxii-781 > Vaneman, John xxv-774 > Vaneman, Wer'd xxii -781 > Vanname xxvi-13 > Vanneman, Andrew xxvi-616 > Vanneman, George xxvi-616 > Vanneman, Nicholas xxvi-616 > Vannorman, Isaac xiv-485, 761 > Vannorman, Joseph xxiii-461 > Vannorman, Wm. Xxiii-301 > Vanoman, Ephraim xxiii-300 > Vanomen, Joseph xix-71 > Vanomer, Peter xiii-321, 525 > Van Orman, Ephraim xix-282 > Van Orman, Isaac xix-282, 394 > Van Orman, Samuel xxvi-198 > Van Orman, Wm. Xix-278, 390 > Van Ormen, Isaac xxv-335 > Van Ormen, John xxv-335 > Van Ormer, Jacob xxiv-327 > > Leslie Thomas > > > > > On Feb 14, 2010, at 1:32 PM, WR Cummins wrote: > > Here is a list of Van Normans from Pennsylvania Archives. > Isaac VN here may be the same Isaac named in the 1820 newspaper > advertisement posted by Linda below. > I assume this Isaac VN was Isaac C. Van Norman s/o Joseph VN & Elizabeth > Wyburn. > Ray > > Name Date recorded Location > Rudolph Brink Vanorman 8 Feb 1769 Mill Creek > first forty arrested, jailed 13 Mar 1769 Easton > bailed; escaped 24 Sep 1769 Easton > Brink Van Orman 8 Jul 1771 Town of Wyoming PA > Brink Vanorman 5 Sep 1771 Susquehanna River > Brink Vannorman 1 Oct 1771 Wilke Barre > Isaac VanOrman 1 Aug 1778 Kingston District. > Joseph VanOrman 20 Aug 1781 Town of Westmoreland > Isaac Van Orman 2 Oct 1781 Town of Westmoreland > Ephraim Vannerman 12 Feb 1783 Westmorland PA. > Isaac Vannerman 12 Feb 1783 Westmorland > Isaac Vanormand 15 Apr 1787 Westmoreland > Susquehanna Company Settlers in Connecticut's Pennsylvania Colony > 1754-1810, > Volume 2 (of 3) compiled by Donna G. Bingham Munger, Chief of the > Division > of Land Records, Pennsylvania State Archives, 2005. > > -----Original Message----- > From: vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vannorman- > bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Linda Noggle > Sent: February 14, 2010 11:30 AM > To: Vannorman > Subject: [VANNORMAN] Isaac Van Norman > > Hi All, > > I too am snowed in and been browsing the internet - found the > following on > www.pawchs.org > > Entry from "Susquehanna Democrat 1820" - dated 10 March 1820 > Unseated Lands for Taxes > Luzerne County Sale of Unseated Lands > Agreeable to the provisions of the Act entitled "An Act to amend the act > entitled "An act directing the mode of selling unseated lands for > taxes and > other purposes," > passed 3/13/1815, and the other supplement thereto passed the 15th > March, > 1817 the Treasurer hereby gives notice to all concerned that unless the > County and road taxes due on the tracts of land contained in the > following > schedule of taxes, situate in the county of Luzerne, are paid before the > second Monday in June next, he shall proceed to make public sale of the > whole or so much of each tract as will pay the arrearages of taxes, > with the > costs chargeable o such tracts respectively at the court house > Wilkesbarre > on said Monday in June, as the acts of Assembly directs. Number of > acres and > amount of taxes are also listed. > Warrantee names > Wilkesbarre Township > Isaac Vanorman > > many others listed > > > Linda Noggle > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I picked them out of the "VAN..." surname selection... off the google books website under PA Archives. I thought the roman numerals were for the volume of the books but it isn't... so there must be a selection of files at their archives that detail family files. Leslie Thomas On Feb 14, 2010, at 6:56 PM, Arlene Reeves wrote: Ray & Leslie Where were you on the pa archives site to find these names? Were they on a list or did you have to compile it? I was at the following and couldn't find what you were looking at: http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/ state_archives/2887 Arlene > From: aeriehollow@ellijay.com > Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:37:32 -0500 > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Isaac Van Norman > > Pennsylvania Archives: > Additional spellings - I imagine these are file numbers after the > names... > Van Arman xix-174 > Vanarmon, Ephraim xxvi -197 > Vaneman, George xxii-781 > Vaneman, John xxv-774 > Vaneman, Wer’d xxii -781 > Vanname xxvi-13 > Vanneman, Andrew xxvi-616 > Vanneman, George xxvi–616 > Vanneman, Nicholas xxvi-616 > Vannorman, Isaac xiv-485, 761 > Vannorman, Joseph xxiii-461 > Vannorman, Wm. Xxiii-301 > Vanoman, Ephraim xxiii-300 > Vanomen, Joseph xix-71 > Vanomer, Peter xiii-321, 525 > Van Orman, Ephraim xix-282 > Van Orman, Isaac xix-282, 394 > Van Orman, Samuel xxvi-198 > Van Orman, Wm. Xix-278, 390 > Van Ormen, Isaac xxv-335 > Van Ormen, John xxv-335 > Van Ormer, Jacob xxiv-327 > > Leslie Thomas > > > > > On Feb 14, 2010, at 1:32 PM, WR Cummins wrote: > > Here is a list of Van Normans from Pennsylvania Archives. > Isaac VN here may be the same Isaac named in the 1820 newspaper > advertisement posted by Linda below. > I assume this Isaac VN was Isaac C. Van Norman s/o Joseph VN & > Elizabeth > Wyburn. > Ray > > Name Date recorded Location > Rudolph Brink Vanorman 8 Feb 1769 Mill Creek > first forty arrested, jailed 13 Mar 1769 Easton > bailed; escaped 24 Sep 1769 Easton > Brink Van Orman 8 Jul 1771 Town of Wyoming PA > Brink Vanorman 5 Sep 1771 Susquehanna River > Brink Vannorman 1 Oct 1771 Wilke Barre > Isaac VanOrman 1 Aug 1778 Kingston District. > Joseph VanOrman 20 Aug 1781 Town of Westmoreland > Isaac Van Orman 2 Oct 1781 Town of Westmoreland > Ephraim Vannerman 12 Feb 1783 Westmorland PA. > Isaac Vannerman 12 Feb 1783 Westmorland > Isaac Vanormand 15 Apr 1787 Westmoreland > Susquehanna Company Settlers in Connecticut's Pennsylvania Colony > 1754-1810, > Volume 2 (of 3) compiled by Donna G. Bingham Munger, Chief of the > Division > of Land Records, Pennsylvania State Archives, 2005. > > -----Original Message----- > From: vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vannorman- > bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Linda Noggle > Sent: February 14, 2010 11:30 AM > To: Vannorman > Subject: [VANNORMAN] Isaac Van Norman > > Hi All, > > I too am snowed in and been browsing the internet - found the > following on > www.pawchs.org > > Entry from "Susquehanna Democrat 1820" - dated 10 March 1820 > Unseated Lands for Taxes > Luzerne County Sale of Unseated Lands > Agreeable to the provisions of the Act entitled "An Act to amend > the act > entitled "An act directing the mode of selling unseated lands for > taxes and > other purposes," > passed 3/13/1815, and the other supplement thereto passed the 15th > March, > 1817 the Treasurer hereby gives notice to all concerned that unless > the > County and road taxes due on the tracts of land contained in the > following > schedule of taxes, situate in the county of Luzerne, are paid > before the > second Monday in June next, he shall proceed to make public sale of > the > whole or so much of each tract as will pay the arrearages of taxes, > with the > costs chargeable o such tracts respectively at the court house > Wilkesbarre > on said Monday in June, as the acts of Assembly directs. Number of > acres and > amount of taxes are also listed. > Warrantee names > Wilkesbarre Township > Isaac Vanorman > > many others listed > > > Linda Noggle > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ray & Leslie Where were you on the pa archives site to find these names? Were they on a list or did you have to compile it? I was at the following and couldn't find what you were looking at: http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/state_archives/2887 Arlene > From: aeriehollow@ellijay.com > Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:37:32 -0500 > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Isaac Van Norman > > Pennsylvania Archives: > Additional spellings - I imagine these are file numbers after the > names... > Van Arman xix-174 > Vanarmon, Ephraim xxvi -197 > Vaneman, George xxii-781 > Vaneman, John xxv-774 > Vaneman, Wer’d xxii -781 > Vanname xxvi-13 > Vanneman, Andrew xxvi-616 > Vanneman, George xxvi–616 > Vanneman, Nicholas xxvi-616 > Vannorman, Isaac xiv-485, 761 > Vannorman, Joseph xxiii-461 > Vannorman, Wm. Xxiii-301 > Vanoman, Ephraim xxiii-300 > Vanomen, Joseph xix-71 > Vanomer, Peter xiii-321, 525 > Van Orman, Ephraim xix-282 > Van Orman, Isaac xix-282, 394 > Van Orman, Samuel xxvi-198 > Van Orman, Wm. Xix-278, 390 > Van Ormen, Isaac xxv-335 > Van Ormen, John xxv-335 > Van Ormer, Jacob xxiv-327 > > Leslie Thomas > > > > > On Feb 14, 2010, at 1:32 PM, WR Cummins wrote: > > Here is a list of Van Normans from Pennsylvania Archives. > Isaac VN here may be the same Isaac named in the 1820 newspaper > advertisement posted by Linda below. > I assume this Isaac VN was Isaac C. Van Norman s/o Joseph VN & Elizabeth > Wyburn. > Ray > > Name Date recorded Location > Rudolph Brink Vanorman 8 Feb 1769 Mill Creek > first forty arrested, jailed 13 Mar 1769 Easton > bailed; escaped 24 Sep 1769 Easton > Brink Van Orman 8 Jul 1771 Town of Wyoming PA > Brink Vanorman 5 Sep 1771 Susquehanna River > Brink Vannorman 1 Oct 1771 Wilke Barre > Isaac VanOrman 1 Aug 1778 Kingston District. > Joseph VanOrman 20 Aug 1781 Town of Westmoreland > Isaac Van Orman 2 Oct 1781 Town of Westmoreland > Ephraim Vannerman 12 Feb 1783 Westmorland PA. > Isaac Vannerman 12 Feb 1783 Westmorland > Isaac Vanormand 15 Apr 1787 Westmoreland > Susquehanna Company Settlers in Connecticut's Pennsylvania Colony > 1754-1810, > Volume 2 (of 3) compiled by Donna G. Bingham Munger, Chief of the > Division > of Land Records, Pennsylvania State Archives, 2005. > > -----Original Message----- > From: vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vannorman- > bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Linda Noggle > Sent: February 14, 2010 11:30 AM > To: Vannorman > Subject: [VANNORMAN] Isaac Van Norman > > Hi All, > > I too am snowed in and been browsing the internet - found the > following on > www.pawchs.org > > Entry from "Susquehanna Democrat 1820" - dated 10 March 1820 > Unseated Lands for Taxes > Luzerne County Sale of Unseated Lands > Agreeable to the provisions of the Act entitled "An Act to amend the act > entitled "An act directing the mode of selling unseated lands for > taxes and > other purposes," > passed 3/13/1815, and the other supplement thereto passed the 15th > March, > 1817 the Treasurer hereby gives notice to all concerned that unless the > County and road taxes due on the tracts of land contained in the > following > schedule of taxes, situate in the county of Luzerne, are paid before the > second Monday in June next, he shall proceed to make public sale of the > whole or so much of each tract as will pay the arrearages of taxes, > with the > costs chargeable o such tracts respectively at the court house > Wilkesbarre > on said Monday in June, as the acts of Assembly directs. Number of > acres and > amount of taxes are also listed. > Warrantee names > Wilkesbarre Township > Isaac Vanorman > > many others listed > > > Linda Noggle > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/

The quandry is what to do with that kind of information. It's important. But I'm not sure who to attach it to. It'll get lost in my files I'm afraid. It's this kind of discrete data that leads to major things sometimes. Thanks for sharing your find. Linda Schwenn On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Linda Noggle <lindanoggle@verizon.net>wrote: > Hi All, > > I too am snowed in and been browsing the internet - found the following on > www.pawchs.org > > Entry from "Susquehanna Democrat 1820" - dated 10 March 1820 > Unseated Lands for Taxes > Luzerne County Sale of Unseated Lands > Agreeable to the provisions of the Act entitled "An Act to amend the act > entitled "An act directing the mode of selling unseated lands for taxes and > other purposes," > passed 3/13/1815, and the other supplement thereto passed the 15th March, > 1817 the Treasurer hereby gives notice to all concerned that unless the > County and road taxes due on the tracts of land contained in the following > schedule of taxes, situate in the county of Luzerne, are paid before the > second Monday in June next, he shall proceed to make public sale of the > whole or so much of each tract as will pay the arrearages of taxes, with the > costs chargeable o such tracts respectively at the court house Wilkesbarre > on said Monday in June, as the acts of Assembly directs. Number of acres and > amount of taxes are also listed. > Warrantee names > Wilkesbarre Township > Isaac Vanorman > > many others listed > > > Linda Noggle > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Pennsylvania Archives: Additional spellings - I imagine these are file numbers after the names... Van Arman xix-174 Vanarmon, Ephraim xxvi -197 Vaneman, George xxii-781 Vaneman, John xxv-774 Vaneman, Wer’d xxii -781 Vanname xxvi-13 Vanneman, Andrew xxvi-616 Vanneman, George xxvi–616 Vanneman, Nicholas xxvi-616 Vannorman, Isaac xiv-485, 761 Vannorman, Joseph xxiii-461 Vannorman, Wm. Xxiii-301 Vanoman, Ephraim xxiii-300 Vanomen, Joseph xix-71 Vanomer, Peter xiii-321, 525 Van Orman, Ephraim xix-282 Van Orman, Isaac xix-282, 394 Van Orman, Samuel xxvi-198 Van Orman, Wm. Xix-278, 390 Van Ormen, Isaac xxv-335 Van Ormen, John xxv-335 Van Ormer, Jacob xxiv-327 Leslie Thomas On Feb 14, 2010, at 1:32 PM, WR Cummins wrote: Here is a list of Van Normans from Pennsylvania Archives. Isaac VN here may be the same Isaac named in the 1820 newspaper advertisement posted by Linda below. I assume this Isaac VN was Isaac C. Van Norman s/o Joseph VN & Elizabeth Wyburn. Ray Name Date recorded Location Rudolph Brink Vanorman 8 Feb 1769 Mill Creek first forty arrested, jailed 13 Mar 1769 Easton bailed; escaped 24 Sep 1769 Easton Brink Van Orman 8 Jul 1771 Town of Wyoming PA Brink Vanorman 5 Sep 1771 Susquehanna River Brink Vannorman 1 Oct 1771 Wilke Barre Isaac VanOrman 1 Aug 1778 Kingston District. Joseph VanOrman 20 Aug 1781 Town of Westmoreland Isaac Van Orman 2 Oct 1781 Town of Westmoreland Ephraim Vannerman 12 Feb 1783 Westmorland PA. Isaac Vannerman 12 Feb 1783 Westmorland Isaac Vanormand 15 Apr 1787 Westmoreland Susquehanna Company Settlers in Connecticut's Pennsylvania Colony 1754-1810, Volume 2 (of 3) compiled by Donna G. Bingham Munger, Chief of the Division of Land Records, Pennsylvania State Archives, 2005. -----Original Message----- From: vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vannorman- bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Noggle Sent: February 14, 2010 11:30 AM To: Vannorman Subject: [VANNORMAN] Isaac Van Norman Hi All, I too am snowed in and been browsing the internet - found the following on www.pawchs.org Entry from "Susquehanna Democrat 1820" - dated 10 March 1820 Unseated Lands for Taxes Luzerne County Sale of Unseated Lands Agreeable to the provisions of the Act entitled "An Act to amend the act entitled "An act directing the mode of selling unseated lands for taxes and other purposes," passed 3/13/1815, and the other supplement thereto passed the 15th March, 1817 the Treasurer hereby gives notice to all concerned that unless the County and road taxes due on the tracts of land contained in the following schedule of taxes, situate in the county of Luzerne, are paid before the second Monday in June next, he shall proceed to make public sale of the whole or so much of each tract as will pay the arrearages of taxes, with the costs chargeable o such tracts respectively at the court house Wilkesbarre on said Monday in June, as the acts of Assembly directs. Number of acres and amount of taxes are also listed. Warrantee names Wilkesbarre Township Isaac Vanorman many others listed Linda Noggle ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Makes one wonder if perhaps all the VN's are related somehow since they keep repeating the same names. Leslie Thomas On Feb 13, 2010, at 11:55 PM, WR Cummins wrote: Arlene and Leslie The "Case and his Cotemporaries" book is a well-known historical source for Ontario History. Thanks to both of you for uncovering and transcribing these significant Van Norman excerpts. I agree with you that the writer was referring to Daniel C. VN and his father Isaac VN. Ray -----Original Message----- From: vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vannorman- bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Arlene Reeves Sent: February 13, 2010 6:22 PM To: vannorman rootsweb Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Isaac VN - Canada I have copied the following infomation from Vol IV of the "Case" books. There are many versions where Daniel and Isaac are mentioned, Isaac named as Father Isaac VN, (as in minister) but this one I think points to Daniel and Isaac as father and son: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sounds good to me... Leslie Thomas On Feb 13, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Linda Schwenn wrote: It's possible he took financial care of the others when they married. They'd already "gotten theirs" so to speak. It might have been well known in advance that the farm would go to Daniel. Linda On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Leslie Thomas <aeriehollow@ellijay.com>wrote: > The will leaving everything to the youngest son is a definite > quandary. The eldest son is usually the recipient of the bulk of the > estate and usually left to care for his mother. I need to dig a bit > deeper and see if I can find more on Daniel. > > Leslie Thomas > > > On Feb 13, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Susan Claggett wrote: > > Leslie, > I am so glad you found the will of your Isaac. I wonder why his > youngest > son Daniel got the farm and the others only received $2.00 each? > These old > documents are so fascinating. Do you have any theories about who > Isaac's > parents may have been? > > Susan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Leslie Thomas [mailto:aeriehollow@ellijay.com] > Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 11:41 AM > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: [VANNORMAN] positive links for my Isaac VN found in will > > Found a transcribed version of a will for my VN... ancestry.com along > with my Isaac's b. 8 Dec. 1794 (everything else said 1796) and d. 22 > Dec. 1878. > > Last Will and Testament of Isaac Van Orman, of the town of Raymond in > the county of Stearns and state of Minnesota. I Isaac Van Orman > considering the uncertainty of this mortal life, and being of sound > mind and memory, do make and publish this my last will and testament > in manner and form following: > First I give and bequeath unto my beloved wife Harriett Van Orman all > my personal property, house hold furniture, and also to have the use > and benefit of all the real estate during her natural life time, > after which I give and bequeath to my youngest son Daniel E. Van > Orman, my farm situated in the town of Raymond and described as the > south half (1/2) of the North East Quarter of section number five (5) > township number 125 range 35, containing 80 acres, and I further give > and bequeath to each of my sons and daughter the sum of two dollars > to be paid out of the estate or by my youngest son Daniel E. Van > Orman within six months after he should become in posession of the > above mentioned real estate. And lastly to all the rest, residue, > and remainder of my personal estate, chattles of what kind and nature > remain, I give and bequeath to my said youngest son Daniel E. Van > Orman, whom I hereby appoint sole executor of this my last will and > testament hereby --king (?) all former wills by me made - in witness > whereof I have hereunto put my hand and seal this 18th day of June AD > 1878. His mark...X, The above instrument consisting of one sheet was > now here subscrbied by Isaac Van Orman, the testator, in th epresence > of each of us and was at the same time by him declared to be his last > will and testament and we at his request sign our names hereunto in > his presence as attesting witnesses: > J. D. Barr witness to the mark > A. G. Jaques > D. Philes > > State of Minnesota > County of Stearns } In nProbate Court > In the matter of the Estate of: > Isaac Van Norman (now deceased) > We, Mary Van Norman, Charles Van Norman, James Van Norman & Ella Van > Norman, children of said deceased, do each acknowledge that Daniel E. > Van Norman, the Executor of the estate of Isaac Van Norman deceased, > in accordance with the items and provisions of the last will and > testament of said deceased, has paid over to each of us the sum of > two dollars as directed in said last will and testament. Dated at > Sauk Centre Aug 22 AD 1882 > Mary Philes - formerly Mary Van Norman > Ella Van Norman (my ggrandmother) > James N.(M) Van Norman > Charles Van Norman > > I assume the above listed children are the only surviving 5 adult > children of the 9 children that Isaac and Harriet had. > > Philes is the husband of Mary Harriett VN who is listed as Harriet > on the 1850 Wisconsin census, then other researchers list her as > Hannah (which I think that Mary is a derivative of Hannah?) Mary had > first married Thomas J. Torrey and I think he died in the CW. Her > second husband was Duane M. Philes. They are listed on the 1880 next > door to Charles and wife Jane (?) Van Auman. Charles is Mary's > brother, they had a son Charles who apparently died young. They > adopted a daughter named Virginia in about 1898, and are on the 1900 > Fremont, Cavalier Co., ND. Census. > > Leslie Thomas > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here is a list of Van Normans from Pennsylvania Archives. Isaac VN here may be the same Isaac named in the 1820 newspaper advertisement posted by Linda below. I assume this Isaac VN was Isaac C. Van Norman s/o Joseph VN & Elizabeth Wyburn. Ray Name Date recorded Location Rudolph Brink Vanorman 8 Feb 1769 Mill Creek first forty arrested, jailed 13 Mar 1769 Easton bailed; escaped 24 Sep 1769 Easton Brink Van Orman 8 Jul 1771 Town of Wyoming PA Brink Vanorman 5 Sep 1771 Susquehanna River Brink Vannorman 1 Oct 1771 Wilke Barre Isaac VanOrman 1 Aug 1778 Kingston District. Joseph VanOrman 20 Aug 1781 Town of Westmoreland Isaac Van Orman 2 Oct 1781 Town of Westmoreland Ephraim Vannerman 12 Feb 1783 Westmorland PA. Isaac Vannerman 12 Feb 1783 Westmorland Isaac Vanormand 15 Apr 1787 Westmoreland Susquehanna Company Settlers in Connecticut's Pennsylvania Colony 1754-1810, Volume 2 (of 3) compiled by Donna G. Bingham Munger, Chief of the Division of Land Records, Pennsylvania State Archives, 2005. -----Original Message----- From: vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Noggle Sent: February 14, 2010 11:30 AM To: Vannorman Subject: [VANNORMAN] Isaac Van Norman Hi All, I too am snowed in and been browsing the internet - found the following on www.pawchs.org Entry from "Susquehanna Democrat 1820" - dated 10 March 1820 Unseated Lands for Taxes Luzerne County Sale of Unseated Lands Agreeable to the provisions of the Act entitled "An Act to amend the act entitled "An act directing the mode of selling unseated lands for taxes and other purposes," passed 3/13/1815, and the other supplement thereto passed the 15th March, 1817 the Treasurer hereby gives notice to all concerned that unless the County and road taxes due on the tracts of land contained in the following schedule of taxes, situate in the county of Luzerne, are paid before the second Monday in June next, he shall proceed to make public sale of the whole or so much of each tract as will pay the arrearages of taxes, with the costs chargeable o such tracts respectively at the court house Wilkesbarre on said Monday in June, as the acts of Assembly directs. Number of acres and amount of taxes are also listed. Warrantee names Wilkesbarre Township Isaac Vanorman many others listed Linda Noggle

Hi All, I too am snowed in and been browsing the internet - found the following on www.pawchs.org Entry from "Susquehanna Democrat 1820" - dated 10 March 1820 Unseated Lands for Taxes Luzerne County Sale of Unseated Lands Agreeable to the provisions of the Act entitled "An Act to amend the act entitled "An act directing the mode of selling unseated lands for taxes and other purposes," passed 3/13/1815, and the other supplement thereto passed the 15th March, 1817 the Treasurer hereby gives notice to all concerned that unless the County and road taxes due on the tracts of land contained in the following schedule of taxes, situate in the county of Luzerne, are paid before the second Monday in June next, he shall proceed to make public sale of the whole or so much of each tract as will pay the arrearages of taxes, with the costs chargeable o such tracts respectively at the court house Wilkesbarre on said Monday in June, as the acts of Assembly directs. Number of acres and amount of taxes are also listed. Warrantee names Wilkesbarre Township Isaac Vanorman many others listed Linda Noggle

Here are some other transcription from "Case and His Cotemporaries" which refer to Daniel Cummins Van Norman. Ray The candidates for reception into full connexion were the following : One of the very first noticeable events of the year 1842-43 was the real opening of the College proper, at which time the female department was separated from the Institution, and the College curriculum fairly began, which took place on Tuesday, the 21st of June, 1842. The ceremonial was presided over by the President of the Conference, who delivered the keys and seal of the College, in appropriate words, to the lately appointed Principal, the Rev. Egerton Ryerson, who some time after this received the honorary degree of Doctor in Divinity from the Wesleyan University in Middletown, Conn., who now entered on the actual duties of the Principal-ship to which he had been designated some months before. The ceremony was well conducted and imposing; and the inaugural now pronounced by the Principal elaborate and able. It entered into the character of the teaching proposed in the several departments. Two Female Academies sprung up immediately in the town of Cobourg, in lieu of the Ladies Department of the late Upper Canada Academy. They were conducted as a private enterprize by two of the Professors in the College, one of whom had been the Principal of the Academy: these were Professors Van Norman and Hurlburt. They were both Wesleyan ministers; and both Institutions, for a good many years, rendered good service to the Methodist body. They remained in Cobourg as long as their respective Principals remained in connection with the College; after that connection ceased, Mr. Hurlburt's Institution removed to Toronto, and Mr. Van Norman's to Hamilton, where it bore the name of the Burlington Ladies Academy, and performed a good work for the Church and the country for a number of years. Case And His Cotemporaries page 370 Dignam, F. Coleman, Van Norman, Beynon, Darlington, W. Philp, Wm. McCullough, Reynolds, and I. B. Howard ; more than half of whom had previously received ordination " for special purposes," showing that they were reliable men. Messrs. Beynon, Coleman, Darlington, Howard, McCullough, and Reynolds related their experience and call to the ministry in a satisfactory manner. The usual addresses, being delivered by such men as Metcalf, Cummings , and William Ryerson, were more than ordinarily impressive. Case And His Cotemporaries page 420 1845 Several matters of considerable importance came before this Conference, which ought to be preserved on the page of history. The Indian Manual Labor School was brought up again, and referred to the Missionary Committee. " A statement was made by Mr. Van Norman, of Cobourg, relative to the success of the Ladies Seminary, under his and Mrs. Van Norman's care." "It had been in operation three years, beginning with 19 pupils and ending the last session with 67. Altogether, 125 girls had been received, of whom 8& were resident boarders. No session had passed without conversions." " The Seminary was to be transferred from Cobourg to Hamilton and patronized by the Conference." Case And His Cotemporaries page 445 -----Original Message----- From: WR Cummins [mailto:raymond.cummins@utoronto.ca] Sent: February 13, 2010 11:56 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Cc: raymond.cummins@utoronto.ca Subject: RE: [VANNORMAN] Isaac VN - Canada Arlene and Leslie The "Case and his Cotemporaries" book is a well-known historical source for Ontario History. Thanks to both of you for uncovering and transcribing these significant Van Norman excerpts. I agree with you that the writer was referring to Daniel C. VN and his father Isaac VN. Ray -----Original Message----- From: vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Arlene Reeves Sent: February 13, 2010 6:22 PM To: vannorman rootsweb Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Isaac VN - Canada I have copied the following infomation from Vol IV of the "Case" books. There are many versions where Daniel and Isaac are mentioned, Isaac named as Father Isaac VN, (as in minister) but this one I think points to Daniel and Isaac as father and son:

I agree with Linda. I have seen other wills like this. I think the other children had been taken care of already while the youngest son had stayed on the homestead. The other children were bequeathed a nominal sum so that a surrogate court judge could not overturn the will with a finding that the other children had been inadvertently forgotten. Ray -----Original Message----- From: vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Schwenn Sent: February 13, 2010 9:14 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] positive links for my Isaac VN found in will It's possible he took financial care of the others when they married. They'd already "gotten theirs" so to speak. It might have been well known in advance that the farm would go to Daniel. Linda On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Leslie Thomas <aeriehollow@ellijay.com>wrote: > The will leaving everything to the youngest son is a definite > quandary. The eldest son is usually the recipient of the bulk of the > estate and usually left to care for his mother. I need to dig a bit > deeper and see if I can find more on Daniel. > > Leslie Thomas

Leslie & Arlene Despite what is written in the Encyclopedia of Massachusetts, I tend to discount the assertion that Abraham Van Norman had a brother named Benjamin. Abraham did have a brother named Jacob who was not included in the Encyclopedia. I assume Jacob's name was misstated as Benjamin. Does anyone have any other evidence that Ephraim Van Norman (s/o Joseph VN & Elizabeth Wyburn) had a son named Benjamin? Ray -----Original Message----- From: vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Leslie Thomas Sent: February 13, 2010 6:27 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Abraham & his three brothers Thanks Arlene, I usually do check both google books and this archive... but I "forgot" to do it for this reference. Leslie Thomas On Feb 13, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Arlene Reeves wrote: Leslie, Funny you should write about this book, I just finished copying the biography of Charles Edward Van Norman from this book. It took some work as the text view combined across the columns. I will send you a copy directly and to anyone else who wants, just drop me a note. I have it in ms word 2000, so let me know if you need it in something else. Van Norman is Van Xorman in this book and Charles bio is on page 20 - here is the website http://www.archive.org/stream/encyclopediaofma10_00amer#page/40/mode/2up Arlene > From: aeriehollow@ellijay.com > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:11:45 -0500 > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Abraham & his three brothers > > Encyclopedia of Massachusetts, biographical-genealogical, Volume 10 > by William Richard Cutter for the American Historical Society 1916. > This one won't let you look at the content of the book. It has more > info on the Van Normans... but unfortunately unless someone has > access we'll never know more... > > Leslie Thomas > > > > > On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:31 PM, WR Cummins wrote: > > Hello Leslie > > Thanks for these pointers to very interesting references. > > Can you please be more specific on the book about Canadian itinerant > ministers? This may be a valuable reference. > > Isaac Van Norman (1784-1877) was a significant local lay Methodist > preacher > and community leader. He was among the earliest settlers of Halton > County, > Upper Canada (now Ontario). He married Catharine Cummins in 1805 and > after > she died he married her niece, Catherine Everitt-Crooker-Hopkins, who > was 21 > years younger than Isaac, in 1853. > > Which Van Norman references suggest that Isaac's brother, Abraham VN > (1791-1879), had a brother named Benjamin? I am not aware of other > evidence > for such a brother. Is this from the Encyclopedia of Massachusetts? > > Several lines of evidence (including his death registration) show that > Abraham VN was born in Pennsylvania, not Ontario. He was most likely > born in > > Wallenpaupack Township, Northampton County, Pennsylvania. He died 2 > Nov 1879 > in Toronto but he was buried in Tillsonburg Pioneer Cemetery in > Dereham > Township, Oxford County, Ontario. > > The Van Norman Institute in New York City was founded by Rev. Dr. > Daniel > Cummins Van Norman BA MA DD LLD as a school for young women. He had > been > born in Nelson Township, Halton County, Upper Canada (now Ontario). > He was > named for his maternal grandfather Daniel Cummins. D. C. VN was > educated at > Cazenovia College in Madison County, New York and at Wesleyan > University in > Middleton, Connecticut. He was ordained a Methodist minister in > 1839. By > 1841 he was a professor at Victoria College which years later became > part of > the University of Toronto. In 1845 he started the Burlington Ladies > Academy > in Hamilton Ontario. In 1851 he was principal of the Rutgers Female > College > in New York City. In 1860 he published an important text book for the > teaching of French and the next year he was awarded the LLD doctorate > degree > by Wesleyan University. His second wife, Paris-born Amelie Rebecca > Veiller, > took over as principal of the VN Institute after his death in 1886 > and ran > it perhaps as late as 1908 when it was listed as closed. She died in > Mount > Vernon New York in 1920. D.C. VN and his second wife, Amelie, were > buried > at Maple Grove Cemetery in Queens County on Long Island. I do not > know where > his first wife, Sarah Maria Spencer (1820-~1874), was buried. D.C. VN > and > Sarah married in 1838 and had 5 children: Louise Letitia VN; Maria > Felicia > Hemans VN; Daniel Spencer VN; Charles Wesley VN; and Frank Hamilton > VN. D.C. > VN and Amelie had 1 child, Louis VN, who died soon after birth in > 1876. > > Cheers > Ray > W. Raymond Cummins, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vannorman- > bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Leslie Thomas > Sent: February 13, 2010 12:18 PM > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: [VANNORMAN] Isaac VN - Canada > > books.google.com again > Referenced in a book about Canadian itinerant's > mentions Daniel C. VanNorman being the son of "venerable" Isaac > VanNorman and gives a short background of the family. > > Van Norman references also indicate that Abraham VanNorman had three > brothers Joseph, Isaac and Benjamin. Abraham was born in Ontario and > died in Tillsonburg. Although this book "Encyclopedia of > Massachusetts" isn't a full view this was in the snippet. > > There's also a short biography Alexander VanNorman son of Joseph & > Nancy Williams VN. in a book on the History of Rochester and Monroe > Co. N.Y. 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Arlene and Leslie The "Case and his Cotemporaries" book is a well-known historical source for Ontario History. Thanks to both of you for uncovering and transcribing these significant Van Norman excerpts. I agree with you that the writer was referring to Daniel C. VN and his father Isaac VN. Ray -----Original Message----- From: vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Arlene Reeves Sent: February 13, 2010 6:22 PM To: vannorman rootsweb Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Isaac VN - Canada I have copied the following infomation from Vol IV of the "Case" books. There are many versions where Daniel and Isaac are mentioned, Isaac named as Father Isaac VN, (as in minister) but this one I think points to Daniel and Isaac as father and son:

It's possible he took financial care of the others when they married. They'd already "gotten theirs" so to speak. It might have been well known in advance that the farm would go to Daniel. Linda On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Leslie Thomas <aeriehollow@ellijay.com>wrote: > The will leaving everything to the youngest son is a definite > quandary. The eldest son is usually the recipient of the bulk of the > estate and usually left to care for his mother. I need to dig a bit > deeper and see if I can find more on Daniel. > > Leslie Thomas > > > On Feb 13, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Susan Claggett wrote: > > Leslie, > I am so glad you found the will of your Isaac. I wonder why his > youngest > son Daniel got the farm and the others only received $2.00 each? > These old > documents are so fascinating. Do you have any theories about who > Isaac's > parents may have been? > > Susan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Leslie Thomas [mailto:aeriehollow@ellijay.com] > Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 11:41 AM > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: [VANNORMAN] positive links for my Isaac VN found in will > > Found a transcribed version of a will for my VN... ancestry.com along > with my Isaac's b. 8 Dec. 1794 (everything else said 1796) and d. 22 > Dec. 1878. > > Last Will and Testament of Isaac Van Orman, of the town of Raymond in > the county of Stearns and state of Minnesota. I Isaac Van Orman > considering the uncertainty of this mortal life, and being of sound > mind and memory, do make and publish this my last will and testament > in manner and form following: > First I give and bequeath unto my beloved wife Harriett Van Orman all > my personal property, house hold furniture, and also to have the use > and benefit of all the real estate during her natural life time, > after which I give and bequeath to my youngest son Daniel E. Van > Orman, my farm situated in the town of Raymond and described as the > south half (1/2) of the North East Quarter of section number five (5) > township number 125 range 35, containing 80 acres, and I further give > and bequeath to each of my sons and daughter the sum of two dollars > to be paid out of the estate or by my youngest son Daniel E. Van > Orman within six months after he should become in posession of the > above mentioned real estate. And lastly to all the rest, residue, > and remainder of my personal estate, chattles of what kind and nature > remain, I give and bequeath to my said youngest son Daniel E. Van > Orman, whom I hereby appoint sole executor of this my last will and > testament hereby --king (?) all former wills by me made - in witness > whereof I have hereunto put my hand and seal this 18th day of June AD > 1878. His mark...X, The above instrument consisting of one sheet was > now here subscrbied by Isaac Van Orman, the testator, in th epresence > of each of us and was at the same time by him declared to be his last > will and testament and we at his request sign our names hereunto in > his presence as attesting witnesses: > J. D. Barr witness to the mark > A. G. Jaques > D. Philes > > State of Minnesota > County of Stearns } In nProbate Court > In the matter of the Estate of: > Isaac Van Norman (now deceased) > We, Mary Van Norman, Charles Van Norman, James Van Norman & Ella Van > Norman, children of said deceased, do each acknowledge that Daniel E. > Van Norman, the Executor of the estate of Isaac Van Norman deceased, > in accordance with the items and provisions of the last will and > testament of said deceased, has paid over to each of us the sum of > two dollars as directed in said last will and testament. Dated at > Sauk Centre Aug 22 AD 1882 > Mary Philes - formerly Mary Van Norman > Ella Van Norman (my ggrandmother) > James N.(M) Van Norman > Charles Van Norman > > I assume the above listed children are the only surviving 5 adult > children of the 9 children that Isaac and Harriet had. > > Philes is the husband of Mary Harriett VN who is listed as Harriet > on the 1850 Wisconsin census, then other researchers list her as > Hannah (which I think that Mary is a derivative of Hannah?) Mary had > first married Thomas J. Torrey and I think he died in the CW. Her > second husband was Duane M. Philes. They are listed on the 1880 next > door to Charles and wife Jane (?) Van Auman. Charles is Mary's > brother, they had a son Charles who apparently died young. They > adopted a daughter named Virginia in about 1898, and are on the 1900 > Fremont, Cavalier Co., ND. 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The will leaving everything to the youngest son is a definite quandary. The eldest son is usually the recipient of the bulk of the estate and usually left to care for his mother. I need to dig a bit deeper and see if I can find more on Daniel. Leslie Thomas On Feb 13, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Susan Claggett wrote: Leslie, I am so glad you found the will of your Isaac. I wonder why his youngest son Daniel got the farm and the others only received $2.00 each? These old documents are so fascinating. Do you have any theories about who Isaac's parents may have been? Susan -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Thomas [mailto:aeriehollow@ellijay.com] Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 11:41 AM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: [VANNORMAN] positive links for my Isaac VN found in will Found a transcribed version of a will for my VN... ancestry.com along with my Isaac's b. 8 Dec. 1794 (everything else said 1796) and d. 22 Dec. 1878. Last Will and Testament of Isaac Van Orman, of the town of Raymond in the county of Stearns and state of Minnesota. I Isaac Van Orman considering the uncertainty of this mortal life, and being of sound mind and memory, do make and publish this my last will and testament in manner and form following: First I give and bequeath unto my beloved wife Harriett Van Orman all my personal property, house hold furniture, and also to have the use and benefit of all the real estate during her natural life time, after which I give and bequeath to my youngest son Daniel E. Van Orman, my farm situated in the town of Raymond and described as the south half (1/2) of the North East Quarter of section number five (5) township number 125 range 35, containing 80 acres, and I further give and bequeath to each of my sons and daughter the sum of two dollars to be paid out of the estate or by my youngest son Daniel E. Van Orman within six months after he should become in posession of the above mentioned real estate. And lastly to all the rest, residue, and remainder of my personal estate, chattles of what kind and nature remain, I give and bequeath to my said youngest son Daniel E. Van Orman, whom I hereby appoint sole executor of this my last will and testament hereby --king (?) all former wills by me made - in witness whereof I have hereunto put my hand and seal this 18th day of June AD 1878. His mark...X, The above instrument consisting of one sheet was now here subscrbied by Isaac Van Orman, the testator, in th epresence of each of us and was at the same time by him declared to be his last will and testament and we at his request sign our names hereunto in his presence as attesting witnesses: J. D. Barr witness to the mark A. G. Jaques D. Philes State of Minnesota County of Stearns } In nProbate Court In the matter of the Estate of: Isaac Van Norman (now deceased) We, Mary Van Norman, Charles Van Norman, James Van Norman & Ella Van Norman, children of said deceased, do each acknowledge that Daniel E. Van Norman, the Executor of the estate of Isaac Van Norman deceased, in accordance with the items and provisions of the last will and testament of said deceased, has paid over to each of us the sum of two dollars as directed in said last will and testament. Dated at Sauk Centre Aug 22 AD 1882 Mary Philes - formerly Mary Van Norman Ella Van Norman (my ggrandmother) James N.(M) Van Norman Charles Van Norman I assume the above listed children are the only surviving 5 adult children of the 9 children that Isaac and Harriet had. Philes is the husband of Mary Harriett VN who is listed as Harriet on the 1850 Wisconsin census, then other researchers list her as Hannah (which I think that Mary is a derivative of Hannah?) Mary had first married Thomas J. Torrey and I think he died in the CW. Her second husband was Duane M. Philes. They are listed on the 1880 next door to Charles and wife Jane (?) Van Auman. Charles is Mary's brother, they had a son Charles who apparently died young. They adopted a daughter named Virginia in about 1898, and are on the 1900 Fremont, Cavalier Co., ND. Census. Leslie Thomas ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message