First S in a word. In some hands a florid capital J looks like an F, too. --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurie Cigan" <lcigan@yahoo.com> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell Arlene: Depending on the age of the document, what looks like "Rufsell" might actually be "Russell". In earlier times it was very common for the double s to be written this way, where the s looks like an s. Just look at the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution--you'll fee many examplef of thif! Laurie --- On Fri, 5/7/10, Arlene Reeves <arkretired@hotmail.com> wrote: From: Arlene Reeves <arkretired@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell To: "vannorman rootsweb" <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, May 7, 2010, 9:50 AM Hi Susan, I have not had much time to look as I am "working as a census enumerator". After looking at census for finding my ancestors I find it very interesting to be working on it. I noticed that the name on the Land Warrant appears to be Auria Rufsell, not Ann Russell. So I'm a bit confused. In looking for Auria VanNorman I found her on Ancestry.com including on your family tree - you don't have her connected to any one but show her as born in 1791. Others have her connected to Isaac and Hannah. I could not find Auria Rufsell but did find many other Rufsells. On the Van Orman Family Tree http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/15448800/person/271454232?ssrc= the owner shows Auria as the 3rd child of Isaac and Hannah. I just found Aurelia VanNorman on your family tree, married to a Russell. Maybe you just added it from your current research, again no parents. I'll keep looking. Arlene Van Orman Family Tree Van Orman Family Tree > From: claimtofame@claggett6.com > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 23:13:32 -0500 > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > Hi Pete: > > I am quite sure about my father's line to Isaac Van Orman 1794 who was > married to Cynthia Hatch. My Isaac and Cynthia VN's son William Henry Van > Orman was born in 1832 NY and married Samantha Francis Cornell. Her > brother > Watson Cornell married Emma Fish 1845 NY in Michigan. Emma "Emily" Fish > Cornell is living with my William Henry and Samantha Cornell VO in > Anderson, > IN in 1900. > > I show Isaac Van Norman born in 1764 Bennington, VT and he was married to > Hannah Brown and his parents are Luykas and Sarah Payne VanArnhem. Do you > agree with this information? > > Lois Van Norman 1809 daughter of Isaac and Hannah Brown VN married Solomon > Olmstead 1790 VT and they moved to Michigan as well. > > Susan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pete Gonigam [mailto:gonigam@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:39 PM > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > Are you sure these people all belong together? > Random observations: > > The names Olmstead and Fish are both connected to the families descended > from Abraham (1762) Van Arnam and Hanna Newcomb. A child or grandchild > married into the (fellow pioneer) Olmsteads. The Fish family was part of > the Newcombs or Howlands (her mother's family) I think. In fact, I think > the Balch's connected with the Howlands but I think that was very early in > their line. > > Lawyer John Van Arman had an office in Kalamazoo for a while. He's the one > who had 13 (?) unknown siblings and while I've never found evidence any > followed him to Michigan it wouldn't be surprising if one or more did. He > is probably a great-grandson of Isaac (1704) so neither would it be > surprising to find someone named Isaac associated with him. > > After about 1870 recall that George W. Van Arnam from my line (Jacob 1773) > was present in Barry County. I've never traced the family so I don't know > for how long. > > --pete > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Claggett" <claimtofame@claggett6.com> > To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:02 PM > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > > > Hi Linda and all: > > > > I sure could use some help here, LOL. I was working on that same Sarah > > Ann > > and Cornelius Russell until my head started spinning from confusion. I > > figured I would put it down for a few weeks and hopefully be able to > > continue on with finding our missing Auria VN Russell. I think I am > > ready > > to get back to the puzzle. > > > > As most of you know I feel that my Isaac VN married to Cynthia Hatch is > > the > > son of Isaac and Hannah Brown. I am still trying to prove the > > relationship. > > I have been able to locate all of the siblings listed on the land grant > > except for Auria Russell. > > > > I believe I found Hannah McMurray just a few doors down from her sister > > Lois > > VN Omstead on the 1850 census in Rutland, Barry, MI. Solomon and Lois VN > > Omstead lived at house 559 and Samuel McMurray (Hannah VN's widowed > > husband) > > listed as Samuel McMana on this census lived at house 568. Hannah VN > > McMurray (and her daughter Hannah) died in May of 1850 from Bilus Fever > > which was just a few months before the census but I found her listed in > > the > > mortality schedules. > > > > Another clue I have about the Russell name that might tie in is that > > Emma > > Fish Cornell (widow of Watson Cornell) who was the brother to my GG > > Grandmother (Samantha Francis Cornell) was living with her sister Sarah > > Jane > > Fish Russell in 1920. These Fish sister's were both living with Sarah > > Jane > > Fish Russell's daughter Maryette Russell Yeoman and husband George P > > Yeoman > > (Youman on this census) in 1920 in Comstock, Kalamazoo, MI. > > > > I found Sarah Jane Fish Russell married to Eli Russell born 1834 on the > > 1860 > > census in Comstock, Kalamazoo, MI. Eli Russell was killed in the civil > > war > > in 1865 in Selma, AL. I could not find them on the 1850 census. > > > > I was thinking Eli Russell may be the son of Cornelius Russell and Auria > > (Sarah Ann) Van Norman Russell? > > > > There is a Sarah Russell born 1803 NY listed on the 1870 census in > > Marcellus, Onondaga, NY. She is living with her probable daughter Jane > > Russell Wells who is married to Warren Wells. They are living next door > > to > > David and Joanna Fish and another Wells family. I think this may tie in > > with the death record of Cornelius Russell in 1866 at the Berrien > > Cemetery > > that you found. Our Sarah Ann VN Russell must have gone to live with her > > daughter Jane Russell Wells back in NY. The other Wells family look the > > age > > to be the parents of Warren Wells. > > > > What do you all think? I am hopeful... and could use your input. Thanks > > > > Regards, > > > > Susan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Linda Schwenn [mailto:schwel@comcast.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 2:46 PM > > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > > > There is a family in 1860 Royalton Twp., Berrien Co., MI, headed by > > Cornelius Russell (1800 NY) and his wife Sarah Ann (1814 NY). This is a > > possibility at least. Their > > "children's" ages are problematic given that the oldest is only 8 yrs > > younger than Sarah Ann, so the enumerator might have mixed siblings in > > with > > children. The Berrien County site has a cemetery record Cornelius for > > Cornelius Russell who died in 1866 age 67. No Sarah Ann listed, nor any > > other family names. I can't find any of them after 1860. Lots of males > > disappear from census records after 1860 due to the war, so it may not > > be > > surprising to lose many of these Russells by 1870. > > > > Linda Schwenn > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. 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Hi Susan, I have not had much time to look as I am "working as a census enumerator". After looking at census for finding my ancestors I find it very interesting to be working on it. I noticed that the name on the Land Warrant appears to be Auria Rufsell, not Ann Russell. So I'm a bit confused. In looking for Auria VanNorman I found her on Ancestry.com including on your family tree - you don't have her connected to any one but show her as born in 1791. Others have her connected to Isaac and Hannah. I could not find Auria Rufsell but did find many other Rufsells. On the Van Orman Family Tree http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/15448800/person/271454232?ssrc= the owner shows Auria as the 3rd child of Isaac and Hannah. I just found Aurelia VanNorman on your family tree, married to a Russell. Maybe you just added it from your current research, again no parents. I'll keep looking. Arlene Van Orman Family Tree Van Orman Family Tree > From: claimtofame@claggett6.com > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 23:13:32 -0500 > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > Hi Pete: > > I am quite sure about my father's line to Isaac Van Orman 1794 who was > married to Cynthia Hatch. My Isaac and Cynthia VN's son William Henry Van > Orman was born in 1832 NY and married Samantha Francis Cornell. Her brother > Watson Cornell married Emma Fish 1845 NY in Michigan. Emma "Emily" Fish > Cornell is living with my William Henry and Samantha Cornell VO in Anderson, > IN in 1900. > > I show Isaac Van Norman born in 1764 Bennington, VT and he was married to > Hannah Brown and his parents are Luykas and Sarah Payne VanArnhem. Do you > agree with this information? > > Lois Van Norman 1809 daughter of Isaac and Hannah Brown VN married Solomon > Olmstead 1790 VT and they moved to Michigan as well. > > Susan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pete Gonigam [mailto:gonigam@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:39 PM > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > Are you sure these people all belong together? > Random observations: > > The names Olmstead and Fish are both connected to the families descended > from Abraham (1762) Van Arnam and Hanna Newcomb. A child or grandchild > married into the (fellow pioneer) Olmsteads. The Fish family was part of > the Newcombs or Howlands (her mother's family) I think. In fact, I think > the Balch's connected with the Howlands but I think that was very early in > their line. > > Lawyer John Van Arman had an office in Kalamazoo for a while. He's the one > who had 13 (?) unknown siblings and while I've never found evidence any > followed him to Michigan it wouldn't be surprising if one or more did. He > is probably a great-grandson of Isaac (1704) so neither would it be > surprising to find someone named Isaac associated with him. > > After about 1870 recall that George W. Van Arnam from my line (Jacob 1773) > was present in Barry County. I've never traced the family so I don't know > for how long. > > --pete > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Claggett" <claimtofame@claggett6.com> > To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:02 PM > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > > > Hi Linda and all: > > > > I sure could use some help here, LOL. I was working on that same Sarah > > Ann > > and Cornelius Russell until my head started spinning from confusion. I > > figured I would put it down for a few weeks and hopefully be able to > > continue on with finding our missing Auria VN Russell. I think I am ready > > to get back to the puzzle. > > > > As most of you know I feel that my Isaac VN married to Cynthia Hatch is > > the > > son of Isaac and Hannah Brown. I am still trying to prove the > > relationship. > > I have been able to locate all of the siblings listed on the land grant > > except for Auria Russell. > > > > I believe I found Hannah McMurray just a few doors down from her sister > > Lois > > VN Omstead on the 1850 census in Rutland, Barry, MI. Solomon and Lois VN > > Omstead lived at house 559 and Samuel McMurray (Hannah VN's widowed > > husband) > > listed as Samuel McMana on this census lived at house 568. Hannah VN > > McMurray (and her daughter Hannah) died in May of 1850 from Bilus Fever > > which was just a few months before the census but I found her listed in > > the > > mortality schedules. > > > > Another clue I have about the Russell name that might tie in is that Emma > > Fish Cornell (widow of Watson Cornell) who was the brother to my GG > > Grandmother (Samantha Francis Cornell) was living with her sister Sarah > > Jane > > Fish Russell in 1920. These Fish sister's were both living with Sarah > > Jane > > Fish Russell's daughter Maryette Russell Yeoman and husband George P > > Yeoman > > (Youman on this census) in 1920 in Comstock, Kalamazoo, MI. > > > > I found Sarah Jane Fish Russell married to Eli Russell born 1834 on the > > 1860 > > census in Comstock, Kalamazoo, MI. Eli Russell was killed in the civil > > war > > in 1865 in Selma, AL. I could not find them on the 1850 census. > > > > I was thinking Eli Russell may be the son of Cornelius Russell and Auria > > (Sarah Ann) Van Norman Russell? > > > > There is a Sarah Russell born 1803 NY listed on the 1870 census in > > Marcellus, Onondaga, NY. She is living with her probable daughter Jane > > Russell Wells who is married to Warren Wells. They are living next door > > to > > David and Joanna Fish and another Wells family. I think this may tie in > > with the death record of Cornelius Russell in 1866 at the Berrien Cemetery > > that you found. Our Sarah Ann VN Russell must have gone to live with her > > daughter Jane Russell Wells back in NY. The other Wells family look the > > age > > to be the parents of Warren Wells. > > > > What do you all think? I am hopeful... and could use your input. Thanks > > > > Regards, > > > > Susan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Linda Schwenn [mailto:schwel@comcast.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 2:46 PM > > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > > > There is a family in 1860 Royalton Twp., Berrien Co., MI, headed by > > Cornelius Russell (1800 NY) and his wife Sarah Ann (1814 NY). This is a > > possibility at least. Their > > "children's" ages are problematic given that the oldest is only 8 yrs > > younger than Sarah Ann, so the enumerator might have mixed siblings in > > with > > children. The Berrien County site has a cemetery record Cornelius for > > Cornelius Russell who died in 1866 age 67. No Sarah Ann listed, nor any > > other family names. I can't find any of them after 1860. Lots of males > > disappear from census records after 1860 due to the war, so it may not be > > surprising to lose many of these Russells by 1870. > > > > Linda Schwenn > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. 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Arlene: Depending on the age of the document, what looks like "Rufsell" might actually be "Russell". In earlier times it was very common for the double s to be written this way, where the s looks like an s. Just look at the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution--you'll fee many examplef of thif! Laurie --- On Fri, 5/7/10, Arlene Reeves <arkretired@hotmail.com> wrote: From: Arlene Reeves <arkretired@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell To: "vannorman rootsweb" <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, May 7, 2010, 9:50 AM Hi Susan, I have not had much time to look as I am "working as a census enumerator".  After looking at census for finding my ancestors I find it very interesting to be working on it. I noticed that the name on the Land Warrant appears to be Auria Rufsell, not Ann Russell.  So I'm a bit confused.  In looking for Auria VanNorman I found her on Ancestry.com including on your family tree - you don't have her connected to any one but show her as born in 1791.  Others have her connected to Isaac and Hannah.  I could not find Auria Rufsell but did find many other Rufsells. On the Van Orman Family Tree http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/15448800/person/271454232?ssrc= the owner shows Auria as the 3rd child of Isaac and Hannah. I just found Aurelia VanNorman on your family tree, married to a Russell.  Maybe you just added it from your current research, again no parents. I'll keep looking. Arlene Van Orman Family Tree Van Orman Family Tree > From: claimtofame@claggett6.com > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 23:13:32 -0500 > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > Hi Pete: > > I am quite sure about my father's line to Isaac Van Orman 1794 who was > married to Cynthia Hatch. My Isaac and Cynthia VN's son William Henry Van > Orman was born in 1832 NY and married Samantha Francis Cornell. Her brother > Watson Cornell married Emma Fish 1845 NY in Michigan. Emma "Emily" Fish > Cornell is living with my William Henry and Samantha Cornell VO in Anderson, > IN in 1900. > > I show Isaac Van Norman born in 1764 Bennington, VT and he was married to > Hannah Brown and his parents are Luykas and Sarah Payne VanArnhem. Do you > agree with this information? > > Lois Van Norman 1809 daughter of Isaac and Hannah Brown VN married Solomon > Olmstead 1790 VT and they moved to Michigan as well. > > Susan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pete Gonigam [mailto:gonigam@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:39 PM > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > Are you sure these people all belong together? > Random observations: > > The names Olmstead and Fish are both connected to the families descended > from Abraham (1762) Van Arnam and Hanna Newcomb. A child or grandchild > married into the (fellow pioneer) Olmsteads. The Fish family was part of > the Newcombs or Howlands (her mother's family) I think. In fact, I think > the Balch's connected with the Howlands but I think that was very early in > their line. > > Lawyer John Van Arman had an office in Kalamazoo for a while. He's the one > who had 13 (?) unknown siblings and while I've never found evidence any > followed him to Michigan it wouldn't be surprising if one or more did. He > is probably a great-grandson of Isaac (1704) so neither would it be > surprising to find someone named Isaac associated with him. > > After about 1870 recall that George W. Van Arnam from my line (Jacob 1773) > was present in Barry County. I've never traced the family so I don't know > for how long. > > --pete > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Claggett" <claimtofame@claggett6.com> > To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:02 PM > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > > > Hi Linda and all: > > > > I sure could use some help here, LOL. I was working on that same Sarah > > Ann > > and Cornelius Russell until my head started spinning from confusion. I > > figured I would put it down for a few weeks and hopefully be able to > > continue on with finding our missing Auria VN Russell. I think I am ready > > to get back to the puzzle. > > > > As most of you know I feel that my Isaac VN married to Cynthia Hatch is > > the > > son of Isaac and Hannah Brown. I am still trying to prove the > > relationship. > > I have been able to locate all of the siblings listed on the land grant > > except for Auria Russell. > > > > I believe I found Hannah McMurray just a few doors down from her sister > > Lois > > VN Omstead on the 1850 census in Rutland, Barry, MI. Solomon and Lois VN > > Omstead lived at house 559 and Samuel McMurray (Hannah VN's widowed > > husband) > > listed as Samuel McMana on this census lived at house 568. Hannah VN > > McMurray (and her daughter Hannah) died in May of 1850 from Bilus Fever > > which was just a few months before the census but I found her listed in > > the > > mortality schedules. > > > > Another clue I have about the Russell name that might tie in is that Emma > > Fish Cornell (widow of Watson Cornell) who was the brother to my GG > > Grandmother (Samantha Francis Cornell) was living with her sister Sarah > > Jane > > Fish Russell in 1920. These Fish sister's were both living with Sarah > > Jane > > Fish Russell's daughter Maryette Russell Yeoman and husband George P > > Yeoman > > (Youman on this census) in 1920 in Comstock, Kalamazoo, MI. > > > > I found Sarah Jane Fish Russell married to Eli Russell born 1834 on the > > 1860 > > census in Comstock, Kalamazoo, MI. Eli Russell was killed in the civil > > war > > in 1865 in Selma, AL. I could not find them on the 1850 census. > > > > I was thinking Eli Russell may be the son of Cornelius Russell and Auria > > (Sarah Ann) Van Norman Russell? > > > > There is a Sarah Russell born 1803 NY listed on the 1870 census in > > Marcellus, Onondaga, NY. She is living with her probable daughter Jane > > Russell Wells who is married to Warren Wells. They are living next door > > to > > David and Joanna Fish and another Wells family. I think this may tie in > > with the death record of Cornelius Russell in 1866 at the Berrien Cemetery > > that you found. Our Sarah Ann VN Russell must have gone to live with her > > daughter Jane Russell Wells back in NY. The other Wells family look the > > age > > to be the parents of Warren Wells. > > > > What do you all think? I am hopeful... and could use your input. Thanks > > > > Regards, > > > > Susan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Linda Schwenn [mailto:schwel@comcast.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 2:46 PM > > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > > > There is a family in 1860 Royalton Twp., Berrien Co., MI, headed by > > Cornelius Russell (1800 NY) and his wife Sarah Ann (1814 NY). This is a > > possibility at least. Their > > "children's" ages are problematic given that the oldest is only 8 yrs > > younger than Sarah Ann, so the enumerator might have mixed siblings in > > with > > children. The Berrien County site has a cemetery record Cornelius for > > Cornelius Russell who died in 1866 age 67. No Sarah Ann listed, nor any > > other family names. I can't find any of them after 1860. Lots of males > > disappear from census records after 1860 due to the war, so it may not be > > surprising to lose many of these Russells by 1870. > > > > Linda Schwenn > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message                           _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. 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Hi Pete: I am quite sure about my father's line to Isaac Van Orman 1794 who was married to Cynthia Hatch. My Isaac and Cynthia VN's son William Henry Van Orman was born in 1832 NY and married Samantha Francis Cornell. Her brother Watson Cornell married Emma Fish 1845 NY in Michigan. Emma "Emily" Fish Cornell is living with my William Henry and Samantha Cornell VO in Anderson, IN in 1900. I show Isaac Van Norman born in 1764 Bennington, VT and he was married to Hannah Brown and his parents are Luykas and Sarah Payne VanArnhem. Do you agree with this information? Lois Van Norman 1809 daughter of Isaac and Hannah Brown VN married Solomon Olmstead 1790 VT and they moved to Michigan as well. Susan -----Original Message----- From: Pete Gonigam [mailto:gonigam@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:39 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell Are you sure these people all belong together? Random observations: The names Olmstead and Fish are both connected to the families descended from Abraham (1762) Van Arnam and Hanna Newcomb. A child or grandchild married into the (fellow pioneer) Olmsteads. The Fish family was part of the Newcombs or Howlands (her mother's family) I think. In fact, I think the Balch's connected with the Howlands but I think that was very early in their line. Lawyer John Van Arman had an office in Kalamazoo for a while. He's the one who had 13 (?) unknown siblings and while I've never found evidence any followed him to Michigan it wouldn't be surprising if one or more did. He is probably a great-grandson of Isaac (1704) so neither would it be surprising to find someone named Isaac associated with him. After about 1870 recall that George W. Van Arnam from my line (Jacob 1773) was present in Barry County. I've never traced the family so I don't know for how long. --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Claggett" <claimtofame@claggett6.com> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > Hi Linda and all: > > I sure could use some help here, LOL. I was working on that same Sarah > Ann > and Cornelius Russell until my head started spinning from confusion. I > figured I would put it down for a few weeks and hopefully be able to > continue on with finding our missing Auria VN Russell. I think I am ready > to get back to the puzzle. > > As most of you know I feel that my Isaac VN married to Cynthia Hatch is > the > son of Isaac and Hannah Brown. I am still trying to prove the > relationship. > I have been able to locate all of the siblings listed on the land grant > except for Auria Russell. > > I believe I found Hannah McMurray just a few doors down from her sister > Lois > VN Omstead on the 1850 census in Rutland, Barry, MI. Solomon and Lois VN > Omstead lived at house 559 and Samuel McMurray (Hannah VN's widowed > husband) > listed as Samuel McMana on this census lived at house 568. Hannah VN > McMurray (and her daughter Hannah) died in May of 1850 from Bilus Fever > which was just a few months before the census but I found her listed in > the > mortality schedules. > > Another clue I have about the Russell name that might tie in is that Emma > Fish Cornell (widow of Watson Cornell) who was the brother to my GG > Grandmother (Samantha Francis Cornell) was living with her sister Sarah > Jane > Fish Russell in 1920. These Fish sister's were both living with Sarah > Jane > Fish Russell's daughter Maryette Russell Yeoman and husband George P > Yeoman > (Youman on this census) in 1920 in Comstock, Kalamazoo, MI. > > I found Sarah Jane Fish Russell married to Eli Russell born 1834 on the > 1860 > census in Comstock, Kalamazoo, MI. Eli Russell was killed in the civil > war > in 1865 in Selma, AL. I could not find them on the 1850 census. > > I was thinking Eli Russell may be the son of Cornelius Russell and Auria > (Sarah Ann) Van Norman Russell? > > There is a Sarah Russell born 1803 NY listed on the 1870 census in > Marcellus, Onondaga, NY. She is living with her probable daughter Jane > Russell Wells who is married to Warren Wells. They are living next door > to > David and Joanna Fish and another Wells family. I think this may tie in > with the death record of Cornelius Russell in 1866 at the Berrien Cemetery > that you found. Our Sarah Ann VN Russell must have gone to live with her > daughter Jane Russell Wells back in NY. The other Wells family look the > age > to be the parents of Warren Wells. > > What do you all think? I am hopeful... and could use your input. Thanks > > Regards, > > Susan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Schwenn [mailto:schwel@comcast.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 2:46 PM > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > There is a family in 1860 Royalton Twp., Berrien Co., MI, headed by > Cornelius Russell (1800 NY) and his wife Sarah Ann (1814 NY). This is a > possibility at least. Their > "children's" ages are problematic given that the oldest is only 8 yrs > younger than Sarah Ann, so the enumerator might have mixed siblings in > with > children. The Berrien County site has a cemetery record Cornelius for > Cornelius Russell who died in 1866 age 67. No Sarah Ann listed, nor any > other family names. I can't find any of them after 1860. Lots of males > disappear from census records after 1860 due to the war, so it may not be > surprising to lose many of these Russells by 1870. > > Linda Schwenn > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Are you sure these people all belong together? Random observations: The names Olmstead and Fish are both connected to the families descended from Abraham (1762) Van Arnam and Hanna Newcomb. A child or grandchild married into the (fellow pioneer) Olmsteads. The Fish family was part of the Newcombs or Howlands (her mother's family) I think. In fact, I think the Balch's connected with the Howlands but I think that was very early in their line. Lawyer John Van Arman had an office in Kalamazoo for a while. He's the one who had 13 (?) unknown siblings and while I've never found evidence any followed him to Michigan it wouldn't be surprising if one or more did. He is probably a great-grandson of Isaac (1704) so neither would it be surprising to find someone named Isaac associated with him. After about 1870 recall that George W. Van Arnam from my line (Jacob 1773) was present in Barry County. I've never traced the family so I don't know for how long. --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Claggett" <claimtofame@claggett6.com> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > Hi Linda and all: > > I sure could use some help here, LOL. I was working on that same Sarah > Ann > and Cornelius Russell until my head started spinning from confusion. I > figured I would put it down for a few weeks and hopefully be able to > continue on with finding our missing Auria VN Russell. I think I am ready > to get back to the puzzle. > > As most of you know I feel that my Isaac VN married to Cynthia Hatch is > the > son of Isaac and Hannah Brown. I am still trying to prove the > relationship. > I have been able to locate all of the siblings listed on the land grant > except for Auria Russell. > > I believe I found Hannah McMurray just a few doors down from her sister > Lois > VN Omstead on the 1850 census in Rutland, Barry, MI. Solomon and Lois VN > Omstead lived at house 559 and Samuel McMurray (Hannah VN's widowed > husband) > listed as Samuel McMana on this census lived at house 568. Hannah VN > McMurray (and her daughter Hannah) died in May of 1850 from Bilus Fever > which was just a few months before the census but I found her listed in > the > mortality schedules. > > Another clue I have about the Russell name that might tie in is that Emma > Fish Cornell (widow of Watson Cornell) who was the brother to my GG > Grandmother (Samantha Francis Cornell) was living with her sister Sarah > Jane > Fish Russell in 1920. These Fish sister's were both living with Sarah > Jane > Fish Russell's daughter Maryette Russell Yeoman and husband George P > Yeoman > (Youman on this census) in 1920 in Comstock, Kalamazoo, MI. > > I found Sarah Jane Fish Russell married to Eli Russell born 1834 on the > 1860 > census in Comstock, Kalamazoo, MI. Eli Russell was killed in the civil > war > in 1865 in Selma, AL. I could not find them on the 1850 census. > > I was thinking Eli Russell may be the son of Cornelius Russell and Auria > (Sarah Ann) Van Norman Russell? > > There is a Sarah Russell born 1803 NY listed on the 1870 census in > Marcellus, Onondaga, NY. She is living with her probable daughter Jane > Russell Wells who is married to Warren Wells. They are living next door > to > David and Joanna Fish and another Wells family. I think this may tie in > with the death record of Cornelius Russell in 1866 at the Berrien Cemetery > that you found. Our Sarah Ann VN Russell must have gone to live with her > daughter Jane Russell Wells back in NY. The other Wells family look the > age > to be the parents of Warren Wells. > > What do you all think? I am hopeful... and could use your input. Thanks > > Regards, > > Susan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Schwenn [mailto:schwel@comcast.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 2:46 PM > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > There is a family in 1860 Royalton Twp., Berrien Co., MI, headed by > Cornelius Russell (1800 NY) and his wife Sarah Ann (1814 NY). This is a > possibility at least. Their > "children's" ages are problematic given that the oldest is only 8 yrs > younger than Sarah Ann, so the enumerator might have mixed siblings in > with > children. The Berrien County site has a cemetery record Cornelius for > Cornelius Russell who died in 1866 age 67. No Sarah Ann listed, nor any > other family names. I can't find any of them after 1860. Lots of males > disappear from census records after 1860 due to the war, so it may not be > surprising to lose many of these Russells by 1870. > > Linda Schwenn > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Now this is interesting. On the 1850 Marcellus, Onondaga, NY census I found Sarah Russell 1803 NY living with her possible father in law Jonathon Russell who was born in 1770 Connecticut. Also living with them is Elisha Brown 1810 NY, Margaret Brown 1806 NY and Lydia Balch 1800 MASS. They are living at family number 1836 and the Fish family is a few doors down at family number 1828 and the Wells family is 1829. Sarah Ann VN Russell's husband Cornelius Russell must have gone ahead to Michigan to prepare the family farm ahead of their arrival. I am still trying to find Cornelius Russell in MI in 1850. Can anyone locate him? I found a Cornelius Russell in 1830 Broadalbin, Montgomery, NY. Thanks Susan -----Original Message----- From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:03 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell Hi Linda and all: I sure could use some help here, LOL. I was working on that same Sarah Ann and Cornelius Russell until my head started spinning from confusion. I figured I would put it down for a few weeks and hopefully be able to continue on with finding our missing Auria VN Russell. I think I am ready to get back to the puzzle. As most of you know I feel that my Isaac VN married to Cynthia Hatch is the son of Isaac and Hannah Brown. I am still trying to prove the relationship. I have been able to locate all of the siblings listed on the land grant except for Auria Russell. I believe I found Hannah McMurray just a few doors down from her sister Lois VN Omstead on the 1850 census in Rutland, Barry, MI. Solomon and Lois VN Omstead lived at house 559 and Samuel McMurray (Hannah VN's widowed husband) listed as Samuel McMana on this census lived at house 568. Hannah VN McMurray (and her daughter Hannah) died in May of 1850 from Bilus Fever which was just a few months before the census but I found her listed in the mortality schedules. Another clue I have about the Russell name that might tie in is that Emma Fish Cornell (widow of Watson Cornell) who was the brother to my GG Grandmother (Samantha Francis Cornell) was living with her sister Sarah Jane Fish Russell in 1920. These Fish sister's were both living with Sarah Jane Fish Russell's daughter Maryette Russell Yeoman and husband George P Yeoman (Youman on this census) in 1920 in Comstock, Kalamazoo, MI. I found Sarah Jane Fish Russell married to Eli Russell born 1834 on the 1860 census in Comstock, Kalamazoo, MI. Eli Russell was killed in the civil war in 1865 in Selma, AL. I could not find them on the 1850 census. I was thinking Eli Russell may be the son of Cornelius Russell and Auria (Sarah Ann) Van Norman Russell? There is a Sarah Russell born 1803 NY listed on the 1870 census in Marcellus, Onondaga, NY. She is living with her probable daughter Jane Russell Wells who is married to Warren Wells. They are living next door to David and Joanna Fish and another Wells family. I think this may tie in with the death record of Cornelius Russell in 1866 at the Berrien Cemetery that you found. Our Sarah Ann VN Russell must have gone to live with her daughter Jane Russell Wells back in NY. The other Wells family look the age to be the parents of Warren Wells. What do you all think? I am hopeful... and could use your input. Thanks Regards, Susan -----Original Message----- From: Linda Schwenn [mailto:schwel@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 2:46 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell There is a family in 1860 Royalton Twp., Berrien Co., MI, headed by Cornelius Russell (1800 NY) and his wife Sarah Ann (1814 NY). This is a possibility at least. Their "children's" ages are problematic given that the oldest is only 8 yrs younger than Sarah Ann, so the enumerator might have mixed siblings in with children. The Berrien County site has a cemetery record Cornelius for Cornelius Russell who died in 1866 age 67. No Sarah Ann listed, nor any other family names. I can't find any of them after 1860. Lots of males disappear from census records after 1860 due to the war, so it may not be surprising to lose many of these Russells by 1870. Linda Schwenn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Linda and all: I sure could use some help here, LOL. I was working on that same Sarah Ann and Cornelius Russell until my head started spinning from confusion. I figured I would put it down for a few weeks and hopefully be able to continue on with finding our missing Auria VN Russell. I think I am ready to get back to the puzzle. As most of you know I feel that my Isaac VN married to Cynthia Hatch is the son of Isaac and Hannah Brown. I am still trying to prove the relationship. I have been able to locate all of the siblings listed on the land grant except for Auria Russell. I believe I found Hannah McMurray just a few doors down from her sister Lois VN Omstead on the 1850 census in Rutland, Barry, MI. Solomon and Lois VN Omstead lived at house 559 and Samuel McMurray (Hannah VN's widowed husband) listed as Samuel McMana on this census lived at house 568. Hannah VN McMurray (and her daughter Hannah) died in May of 1850 from Bilus Fever which was just a few months before the census but I found her listed in the mortality schedules. Another clue I have about the Russell name that might tie in is that Emma Fish Cornell (widow of Watson Cornell) who was the brother to my GG Grandmother (Samantha Francis Cornell) was living with her sister Sarah Jane Fish Russell in 1920. These Fish sister's were both living with Sarah Jane Fish Russell's daughter Maryette Russell Yeoman and husband George P Yeoman (Youman on this census) in 1920 in Comstock, Kalamazoo, MI. I found Sarah Jane Fish Russell married to Eli Russell born 1834 on the 1860 census in Comstock, Kalamazoo, MI. Eli Russell was killed in the civil war in 1865 in Selma, AL. I could not find them on the 1850 census. I was thinking Eli Russell may be the son of Cornelius Russell and Auria (Sarah Ann) Van Norman Russell? There is a Sarah Russell born 1803 NY listed on the 1870 census in Marcellus, Onondaga, NY. She is living with her probable daughter Jane Russell Wells who is married to Warren Wells. They are living next door to David and Joanna Fish and another Wells family. I think this may tie in with the death record of Cornelius Russell in 1866 at the Berrien Cemetery that you found. Our Sarah Ann VN Russell must have gone to live with her daughter Jane Russell Wells back in NY. The other Wells family look the age to be the parents of Warren Wells. What do you all think? I am hopeful... and could use your input. Thanks Regards, Susan -----Original Message----- From: Linda Schwenn [mailto:schwel@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 2:46 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell There is a family in 1860 Royalton Twp., Berrien Co., MI, headed by Cornelius Russell (1800 NY) and his wife Sarah Ann (1814 NY). This is a possibility at least. Their "children's" ages are problematic given that the oldest is only 8 yrs younger than Sarah Ann, so the enumerator might have mixed siblings in with children. The Berrien County site has a cemetery record Cornelius for Cornelius Russell who died in 1866 age 67. No Sarah Ann listed, nor any other family names. I can't find any of them after 1860. Lots of males disappear from census records after 1860 due to the war, so it may not be surprising to lose many of these Russells by 1870. Linda Schwenn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Karen: I will have to find the piece of paper that had the coordinates. It was part of the land grant document and was very hard for me to read but what I got out of it turned out to be based on the Michigan-Toledo Strip. I will send you the land grant privately. What do you know about Isaac selling his land grant? How are you related to Daniel? Thanks Susan -----Original Message----- From: Karen Roberts [mailto:tgmk36b@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:06 AM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] VANNORMAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 70 Hi, I thought Isaac VanNorman had sold his land grant from the Revolutionary War? Could we have the co-ordinates or location in Michigan? How do we find a copy of the land grant? We are related through Daniel. Love this site it has been so helpfull. Thanks, Karen VanOrman Roberts > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 19:01:09 -0500 > From: "Susan Claggett" <claimtofame@claggett6.com> > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <3D55C36FF0594E8BA1102B0ACA89E17F@vantk1o0kgylz7> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > No I believe the land is located in Michigan based on the coordinates. I > have tracked down all of the heirs listed except Auria (sp?) Russell. I am > hoping I have a lead on her now based on the Ana VanArnam married to > Cornelius Russell that is on Rootsweb. I will send it to you privately > since it will not go thru this list. Thanks > > Susan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim and Roberta [mailto:jiro96@comcast.net] > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:20 PM > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > Where is the land grant? Is it in Ohio? > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Susan Claggett" <claimtofame@claggett6.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 6:19 PM > To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > > Does anyone know the parents of Ana VanArnam who married Cornelius > > Russell? > > She likely was born in the early 1800's. I am trying to locate the > > missing > > daughter (from the land grant) of Isaac VN and Hannah Brown who married an > > unknown Russell. Thanks > > > > > > > > Susan > > > > > > > > This is from Rootsweb World Connect > > > > * ID: I798 > > > > * Name: Ana VANARNAM > > > > * Sex: F > > > > * Change Date: 09 AUG 2003 > > > > > > > > Marriage 1 Cornelius RUSSELL > > > > Children > > > > 1. Jane RUSSELL b: 19 FEB 1826 in Northampton, Fulton County, New York, > > USA > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2848 - Release Date: 05/01/10 > > 11:27:00 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the VANNORMAN list administrator, send an email to > VANNORMAN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the VANNORMAN mailing list, send an email to VANNORMAN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of VANNORMAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 70 > **************************************** _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is a family in 1860 Royalton Twp., Berrien Co., MI, headed by Cornelius Russell (1800 NY) and his wife Sarah Ann (1814 NY). This is a possibility at least. Their "children's" ages are problematic given that the oldest is only 8 yrs younger than Sarah Ann, so the enumerator might have mixed siblings in with children. The Berrien County site has a cemetery record Cornelius for Cornelius Russell who died in 1866 age 67. No Sarah Ann listed, nor any other family names. I can't find any of them after 1860. Lots of males disappear from census records after 1860 due to the war, so it may not be surprising to lose many of these Russells by 1870. Linda Schwenn

Hi, I thought Isaac VanNorman had sold his land grant from the Revolutionary War? Could we have the co-ordinates or location in Michigan? How do we find a copy of the land grant? We are related through Daniel. Love this site it has been so helpfull. Thanks, Karen VanOrman Roberts > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 19:01:09 -0500 > From: "Susan Claggett" <claimtofame@claggett6.com> > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <3D55C36FF0594E8BA1102B0ACA89E17F@vantk1o0kgylz7> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > No I believe the land is located in Michigan based on the coordinates. I > have tracked down all of the heirs listed except Auria (sp?) Russell. I am > hoping I have a lead on her now based on the Ana VanArnam married to > Cornelius Russell that is on Rootsweb. I will send it to you privately > since it will not go thru this list. Thanks > > Susan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim and Roberta [mailto:jiro96@comcast.net] > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:20 PM > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > Where is the land grant? Is it in Ohio? > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Susan Claggett" <claimtofame@claggett6.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 6:19 PM > To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > > Does anyone know the parents of Ana VanArnam who married Cornelius > > Russell? > > She likely was born in the early 1800's. I am trying to locate the > > missing > > daughter (from the land grant) of Isaac VN and Hannah Brown who married an > > unknown Russell. Thanks > > > > > > > > Susan > > > > > > > > This is from Rootsweb World Connect > > > > * ID: I798 > > > > * Name: Ana VANARNAM > > > > * Sex: F > > > > * Change Date: 09 AUG 2003 > > > > > > > > Marriage 1 Cornelius RUSSELL > > > > Children > > > > 1. Jane RUSSELL b: 19 FEB 1826 in Northampton, Fulton County, New York, > > USA > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2848 - Release Date: 05/01/10 > > 11:27:00 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the VANNORMAN list administrator, send an email to > VANNORMAN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the VANNORMAN mailing list, send an email to VANNORMAN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of VANNORMAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 70 > **************************************** _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4

No I believe the land is located in Michigan based on the coordinates. I have tracked down all of the heirs listed except Auria (sp?) Russell. I am hoping I have a lead on her now based on the Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell that is on Rootsweb. I will send it to you privately since it will not go thru this list. Thanks Susan -----Original Message----- From: Jim and Roberta [mailto:jiro96@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:20 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell Where is the land grant? Is it in Ohio? -------------------------------------------------- From: "Susan Claggett" <claimtofame@claggett6.com> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 6:19 PM To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Subject: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > Does anyone know the parents of Ana VanArnam who married Cornelius > Russell? > She likely was born in the early 1800's. I am trying to locate the > missing > daughter (from the land grant) of Isaac VN and Hannah Brown who married an > unknown Russell. Thanks > > > > Susan > > > > This is from Rootsweb World Connect > > * ID: I798 > > * Name: Ana VANARNAM > > * Sex: F > > * Change Date: 09 AUG 2003 > > > > Marriage 1 Cornelius RUSSELL > > Children > > 1. Jane RUSSELL b: 19 FEB 1826 in Northampton, Fulton County, New York, > USA > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2848 - Release Date: 05/01/10 > 11:27:00 > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Where is the land grant? Is it in Ohio? -------------------------------------------------- From: "Susan Claggett" <claimtofame@claggett6.com> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 6:19 PM To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Subject: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > Does anyone know the parents of Ana VanArnam who married Cornelius > Russell? > She likely was born in the early 1800's. I am trying to locate the > missing > daughter (from the land grant) of Isaac VN and Hannah Brown who married an > unknown Russell. Thanks > > > > Susan > > > > This is from Rootsweb World Connect > > * ID: I798 > > * Name: Ana VANARNAM > > * Sex: F > > * Change Date: 09 AUG 2003 > > > > Marriage 1 Cornelius RUSSELL > > Children > > 1. Jane RUSSELL b: 19 FEB 1826 in Northampton, Fulton County, New York, > USA > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2848 - Release Date: 05/01/10 > 11:27:00 >

FINALLY some recognition that Joseph Van Norman set aside the land for a public cemetary! http://www.townofcanandaigua.org/history.htm Hunn Cemetery (Corner of Woolhouse and County Road 32, a.k.a. Bristol Road) Consisting of one acre, it is one of the oldest town cemeteries. Could also be called VanNorman Cemetery since it was first described as a "public burial ground" in a deed dated February 4, 1815, (Liber 23 of Deeds, Page 84) from Joseph VanNorman to his son Isaac VanNorman. There are many families buried here, including Holcomb, Ackley, Nethaway, Grant, Mack, Hicks, Booth, Hubbard, Briggs, and Spears. The most recent burial was in 1931 of Martha Spears. The oldest is Seth Holcomb on September 28, 1799. Deeds from 1833 refer to a small piece of land, on the lot opposite the burying ground, on which a meetinghouse was erected and used for public worship. This was not mentioned in the 1875 transfer and there is no evidence of the house today. Zadok Hunn, a professor at Yale and , through his ministry, organizer of nine Congregational churches in the area, is buried in this cemetery along with many from his family. There are also at least 8 Revolutionary War veterans buried here. It is well maintained by the Town. Arlene _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4

Thank you both for sharing. I think I'll take a trip out west and look for the rock! In searching Ancestory.com on Macias Family Tree "jmjustjan" has traced Alexis Van Ornum 1813 – 1860 AND Zacheus Van Ornum 1828 – 1910 (and other family members). Maybe this helps. Arlene Macias Family Tree Jan Derryckssen Birth abt 1593 Dirck Janse VanArnhem (1616-) Jan Dirckszen VanArnhem Birth 13 Oct 1640 Jan Jansz Van Aernam Birth 4 Jun 1671 in New City, Rockland, New York, USA Isaac Jan VanAernam Birth 7 May 1704 Albany, Albany, New York, United States Luykas Van Aarnum Birth 1738-08 in Athens,,New York,USA Hendrick Van Ornum Birth 1769 in Rensselaer, NY Henry Van Ornum Birth 10 JAN 1791 in NY HENRY IS THE FATHER OF Alexis Van Ornum 1813 – 1860 AND Zacheus Van Ornum 1828 – 1910> From: gonigam@hotmail.com > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 06:25:12 -0500 > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Mark VanOrman's buried strong box > > And on dark nights in the late Fall it's said his spirit still wanders the > canyons of > the Owyhee hunting for his lost gold. > > Here's a succinct account of the VanOrnam/Utter Massacre: > http://columbia.washingtonhistory.org/magazine/articles/1987/0187/0187-a3.aspx > > I've never figured out which line this group was, although the accompanying > Utter and Chase families suggest it somehow connects to Isaac (1704) > Van Arnam's family. > > I think my aunt was a little disappointed when I told her we weren't > descended > from cannibals. > > --pete > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Claggett" <claimtofame@claggett6.com> > To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 12:24 AM > Subject: [VANNORMAN] Mark VanOrman's buried strong box > > > > In August of 1860 a group of eight wagons led by Mark Vanorman left Fort > > Hall in what is now eastern Idaho under military escort. The fifty four > > immigrants were following the Oregon Trail west planning to make a new > > life > > in the Willamette Valley. They had brought what possessions they could > > carry > > and enough gold to buy land when they arrived. The gold had been entrusted > > to their wagonmaster and was kept in a strongbox. It is believed that > > there > > was more than $10,000 in gold coin within the chest. > > Meeting no resistance, the military escort decided that it was no longer > > needed and soon returned to the fort leaving only a handful of soldiers to > > guard the pioneers. All went well for two weeks until a band of Snake > > Indians attacked them just south of present day Adrian in eastern Oregon > > near the Snake River. Nineteen people were killed in the attack. The rest > > were forced to abandon their wagons and flee for their lives. While some > > of > > the men rode for help the other survivors, including Vanorman, made their > > way to the Snake River. What little food they had managed to secure was > > soon > > gone and they were starving as they worked their way along the Snake until > > they reached the mouth of the Owyhee River. Here they decided to make camp > > until help arrived. > > > > Initially an Indian hunting party provided the victims with food but an > > unfortunate comment turned the Indians against them and they raided the > > camp > > taking all the remaining guns and ammunition. Vanorman decided that they > > had > > better move on. Most of the remaining party were too weak and refused to > > go. > > Vanorman took his family and those able enough to travel and headed north > > up > > the Snake River. They made it as far as the mouth of the Burnt River where > > they were massacred. > > > > Forty five days after the first attack the soldiers finally arrived at the > > Owyhee camp. Twenty one people had died of starvation. The remainder had > > resorted to cannibalism to stay alive. Only fifteen of the original fifty > > four immigrants survived. > > > > Okay, so what happened to the gold? Well, months later, in Vanorman's > > belongings, a letter was found. In the letter, he described the events > > that > > had occured and also what had happened to the strongbox. Apparently he had > > managed to salvage the gold as they were forced from their wagons during > > the > > attack. The weak and starving survivors carried the cumbersome box with > > them > > until they reached the Owyhee River camp. When Vanorman and his family > > left > > the camp, he took the chest across the Owyhee and buried it on the north > > side of the river. He etched his initials into a nearby rock as a marker. > > The survivors at the camp must not have known what he had done. > > > > The lady who received the Vanorman's possessions simply filed the letter > > away. It was not rediscovered until her death many years later. This is > > not > > a well known story and there is no record of the gold ever being found. If > > you ever find yourself on the north side of the mouth of the Owyhee River > > it > > might pay to keep an eye open for the initials M. V. carved in a rock. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4

And on dark nights in the late Fall it's said his spirit still wanders the canyons of the Owyhee hunting for his lost gold. Here's a succinct account of the VanOrnam/Utter Massacre: http://columbia.washingtonhistory.org/magazine/articles/1987/0187/0187-a3.aspx I've never figured out which line this group was, although the accompanying Utter and Chase families suggest it somehow connects to Isaac (1704) Van Arnam's family. I think my aunt was a little disappointed when I told her we weren't descended from cannibals. --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Claggett" <claimtofame@claggett6.com> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 12:24 AM Subject: [VANNORMAN] Mark VanOrman's buried strong box > In August of 1860 a group of eight wagons led by Mark Vanorman left Fort > Hall in what is now eastern Idaho under military escort. The fifty four > immigrants were following the Oregon Trail west planning to make a new > life > in the Willamette Valley. They had brought what possessions they could > carry > and enough gold to buy land when they arrived. The gold had been entrusted > to their wagonmaster and was kept in a strongbox. It is believed that > there > was more than $10,000 in gold coin within the chest. > Meeting no resistance, the military escort decided that it was no longer > needed and soon returned to the fort leaving only a handful of soldiers to > guard the pioneers. All went well for two weeks until a band of Snake > Indians attacked them just south of present day Adrian in eastern Oregon > near the Snake River. Nineteen people were killed in the attack. The rest > were forced to abandon their wagons and flee for their lives. While some > of > the men rode for help the other survivors, including Vanorman, made their > way to the Snake River. What little food they had managed to secure was > soon > gone and they were starving as they worked their way along the Snake until > they reached the mouth of the Owyhee River. Here they decided to make camp > until help arrived. > > Initially an Indian hunting party provided the victims with food but an > unfortunate comment turned the Indians against them and they raided the > camp > taking all the remaining guns and ammunition. Vanorman decided that they > had > better move on. Most of the remaining party were too weak and refused to > go. > Vanorman took his family and those able enough to travel and headed north > up > the Snake River. They made it as far as the mouth of the Burnt River where > they were massacred. > > Forty five days after the first attack the soldiers finally arrived at the > Owyhee camp. Twenty one people had died of starvation. The remainder had > resorted to cannibalism to stay alive. Only fifteen of the original fifty > four immigrants survived. > > Okay, so what happened to the gold? Well, months later, in Vanorman's > belongings, a letter was found. In the letter, he described the events > that > had occured and also what had happened to the strongbox. Apparently he had > managed to salvage the gold as they were forced from their wagons during > the > attack. The weak and starving survivors carried the cumbersome box with > them > until they reached the Owyhee River camp. When Vanorman and his family > left > the camp, he took the chest across the Owyhee and buried it on the north > side of the river. He etched his initials into a nearby rock as a marker. > The survivors at the camp must not have known what he had done. > > The lady who received the Vanorman's possessions simply filed the letter > away. It was not rediscovered until her death many years later. This is > not > a well known story and there is no record of the gold ever being found. If > you ever find yourself on the north side of the mouth of the Owyhee River > it > might pay to keep an eye open for the initials M. V. carved in a rock. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In August of 1860 a group of eight wagons led by Mark Vanorman left Fort Hall in what is now eastern Idaho under military escort. The fifty four immigrants were following the Oregon Trail west planning to make a new life in the Willamette Valley. They had brought what possessions they could carry and enough gold to buy land when they arrived. The gold had been entrusted to their wagonmaster and was kept in a strongbox. It is believed that there was more than $10,000 in gold coin within the chest. Meeting no resistance, the military escort decided that it was no longer needed and soon returned to the fort leaving only a handful of soldiers to guard the pioneers. All went well for two weeks until a band of Snake Indians attacked them just south of present day Adrian in eastern Oregon near the Snake River. Nineteen people were killed in the attack. The rest were forced to abandon their wagons and flee for their lives. While some of the men rode for help the other survivors, including Vanorman, made their way to the Snake River. What little food they had managed to secure was soon gone and they were starving as they worked their way along the Snake until they reached the mouth of the Owyhee River. Here they decided to make camp until help arrived. Initially an Indian hunting party provided the victims with food but an unfortunate comment turned the Indians against them and they raided the camp taking all the remaining guns and ammunition. Vanorman decided that they had better move on. Most of the remaining party were too weak and refused to go. Vanorman took his family and those able enough to travel and headed north up the Snake River. They made it as far as the mouth of the Burnt River where they were massacred. Forty five days after the first attack the soldiers finally arrived at the Owyhee camp. Twenty one people had died of starvation. The remainder had resorted to cannibalism to stay alive. Only fifteen of the original fifty four immigrants survived. Okay, so what happened to the gold? Well, months later, in Vanorman's belongings, a letter was found. In the letter, he described the events that had occured and also what had happened to the strongbox. Apparently he had managed to salvage the gold as they were forced from their wagons during the attack. The weak and starving survivors carried the cumbersome box with them until they reached the Owyhee River camp. When Vanorman and his family left the camp, he took the chest across the Owyhee and buried it on the north side of the river. He etched his initials into a nearby rock as a marker. The survivors at the camp must not have known what he had done. The lady who received the Vanorman's possessions simply filed the letter away. It was not rediscovered until her death many years later. This is not a well known story and there is no record of the gold ever being found. If you ever find yourself on the north side of the mouth of the Owyhee River it might pay to keep an eye open for the initials M. V. carved in a rock.

Does anyone know the parents of Ana VanArnam who married Cornelius Russell? She likely was born in the early 1800's. I am trying to locate the missing daughter (from the land grant) of Isaac VN and Hannah Brown who married an unknown Russell. Thanks Susan This is from Rootsweb World Connect * ID: I798 * Name: Ana VANARNAM * Sex: F * Change Date: 09 AUG 2003 Marriage 1 Cornelius RUSSELL Children 1. Jane RUSSELL b: 19 FEB 1826 in Northampton, Fulton County, New York, USA

These people are going to drive me NUTS! ----- Just in case you stumble over the name again in your searches--There's a Rittenhouse/many variations family that is somehow associated with the Van Arnams. A guy named Abel Redenhaus was the husband (one of many) of Geertje Nanning. By her daughter (of an earlier husband), Hester Tjerks who married Harmen Bastien Visscher, she ties in with practically every family the Albany Van Arnams married. By her son Hendrick Redenhaus she ties in (in eastern New Jersey) with two of the children of Jan Theunisen (later: Van Tilburg), father/brother/cousin/something, of Sara Theunis wife of Jan Dircks (Van Arnhem). Geertje Nanning was aboard the Conynck David in 1641 with a guy named Jan Theunisz, a carpenter from Leyden, who may or may not have been, the same Jan Theunisen. ----- Unless other researchers have it all screwed up Abel Redenhaus (Ritterhaus=castle?) has nothing to do with William, Gerhard and Claes Rettinghausen. Perhaps I've quoted Mike Royko before: "Life isn't fair but it shouldn't cheat this much." --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Schwenn" <schwel@comcast.net> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 6:21 PM Subject: [VANNORMAN] Elizabeth Van Norman m William Rittenhouse, Hunterdon,NJ 61. WILLIAM*5* RITTENHOUSE JR. (*WILLIAM**4*, *GERHARD (GARRETT)**3*, * WILHELM**2* *RÜDDINGHUYSEN*, *CLAES**1* *RETTINGHAUSEN*) (#21700) was born in Amwell, Hunterdon Co., N.J. 1720. WILLIAM died circa 1799 in Locktown, New Jersey, USA, at age 79. He married twice. He married REBECCA HARNED date unknown. (REBECCA HARNED is #21817.) REBECCA was born CA 1728. REBECCA was the daughter of EDWARD HARNED and REBECCA. REBECCA died 1806 in Locktown, New Jersey, USA, at age 78. REBECCA HARNED (Harnet), daughter of Edward Harned (or Harnet) of Hunterdon County, NJ, married William Rittenhouse in the early 1740's. In about the 1770's, Rebecca may have died after tumbling into and drowning in the well at the tavern of her late father-in-law. SOURCE of INFORMATION MR. CARL N, SHUSTER, JR. Arlington, Virginia. He married ELIZABETH VAN NORMAN (Widow) date unknown. (ELIZABETH VAN NORMAN (Widow) is #34299.) WILLIAM RITTENHOUSE JR. (1720-1799 was born in Amwell Township, Hunterdon County, New Jersey. His will, probated 5 May 1799, names his second wife, Mrs. Elizabeth Van Norman ( a widow) and 12 children [6 sons and 6 daughters presumed by his first wife]. After his marriage to REBECCA HARNED and several years prior to the Revolutionary War he settled on a farm just west of Locktown, NJ, on a hill on the north side of the Locktown-Kingwood road; he and his wife were buried in an old cemetery near Prallsville, NJ. He was baptized on 16 October 1743 in the Kingwood Baptist Church (established 1743), Hunterdon County, NJ. It was not the church of his parents so, since he was over 20, it may have been that of his fiancée (Larew, 1975). His will, drawn 3 January 1799, probated 5 May 1799 cites: wife Elizabeth retains all land and goods belonging to her prior to their marriage; sons Benjamin, William, Garret, Abner; son Daniel the remainder of the homestead plantation; the six children of daughter Hannah Hyde (deceased): Amelia (her heirs), Rebecca, Jonathan, William, Benjamin, and Anna; daughters: Presylla Freeman, Anne Dansdill, Rebecca Bonham, Catherine Heath, Abigail Larue; executors: Benjamin Rettinghouse and Daniel Rettinghouse, both of Kingwood Township, NJ; witnesses: Uriah Sutton, Aaron Swayze, and Uriah Bonham Uriah Sutton was almost 20 years old and his grandfather, Uriah Bonham was an old man. Sutton had inherited a farm in close proximity to that of the farm of William Rittenhouse and Bonham was father-in-law to Rebecca Bonham. SOURCE of INFORMATION DR. CARL. M. SHUSTER JR., PhD, Arlington, Virginia. ANCESTRAL CHART and HANDBOOK, by Olive Barrick Rowland Published in 1935 by Garrett and Massey, Richmond. WILLIAM RITTENHOUSE JR. and REBECCA HARNED had the following children: i. ISAAC*6* (#24887) was born in Locktown, New Jersey, USA. ii. PRISCILLA (PRESYLLA) (#58861). She married SAMUEL FREEMAN date unknown. (SAMUEL FREEMAN is #66917.) 164 iii. BENJAMIN WILLIAM was born 17 December 1746 165 iv. GARRET was born 1754 166 v. HANNAH was born 1754 167 vi. WILLIAM was born 14 February 1755 168 vii. REBECCA was born 10 August 1758 169 viii. ABNER was born 05 May 1760 170 ix. DANIEL was born 02 March 1761 171 x. CATHERINE was born 1762 xi. ABIGAIL (#21819) was born in Locktown, New Jersey, USA 06 January 1764. ABIGAIL died 1809 at age 45. She married twice. She married UNKNOWN FREEMAN date unknown. (UNKNOWN FREEMAN is #37942.) She married ABRAHAM LA RUE (LAREW) 1781 in Hunterdon Co. NJ., USA. (ABRAHAM LA RUE (LAREW) is #21820.) ABRAHAM was born 20 January 1755. ABRAHAM died 26 May 1840 at age 85. ABIGAIL RITTENHOUSE married ABRAHAM LA RUE (Larew). Abraham was a veteran, discharged from the army in December 1779. Abigail was almost 16 at the time. Their first child was born 1n 1782. They lived in Fayette County, PA, probably drawn to the area by favorable reports from her three brothers who lived there [see Larew, 1975: 95-97]. SOURCE of INFORMATION DR. CARL N, SHUSTER, JR. Arlington, Virginia. e-mail carl.shuster@bookhouse.com xii. ANNA (#22809) was born in Locktown, New Jersey, USA 1765. She married twice. She married GEORGE DANSVILLE date unknown. (GEORGE DANSVILLE is #34306.) She married UNKNOWN MASON date unknown. (UNKNOWN MASONis #37943.) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

61. WILLIAM*5* RITTENHOUSE JR. (*WILLIAM**4*, *GERHARD (GARRETT)**3*, * WILHELM**2* *RÜDDINGHUYSEN*, *CLAES**1* *RETTINGHAUSEN*) (#21700) was born in Amwell, Hunterdon Co., N.J. 1720. WILLIAM died circa 1799 in Locktown, New Jersey, USA, at age 79. He married twice. He married REBECCA HARNED date unknown. (REBECCA HARNED is #21817.) REBECCA was born CA 1728. REBECCA was the daughter of EDWARD HARNED and REBECCA. REBECCA died 1806 in Locktown, New Jersey, USA, at age 78. REBECCA HARNED (Harnet), daughter of Edward Harned (or Harnet) of Hunterdon County, NJ, married William Rittenhouse in the early 1740's. In about the 1770's, Rebecca may have died after tumbling into and drowning in the well at the tavern of her late father-in-law. SOURCE of INFORMATION MR. CARL N, SHUSTER, JR. Arlington, Virginia. He married ELIZABETH VAN NORMAN (Widow) date unknown. (ELIZABETH VAN NORMAN (Widow) is #34299.) WILLIAM RITTENHOUSE JR. (1720-1799 was born in Amwell Township, Hunterdon County, New Jersey. His will, probated 5 May 1799, names his second wife, Mrs. Elizabeth Van Norman ( a widow) and 12 children [6 sons and 6 daughters presumed by his first wife]. After his marriage to REBECCA HARNED and several years prior to the Revolutionary War he settled on a farm just west of Locktown, NJ, on a hill on the north side of the Locktown-Kingwood road; he and his wife were buried in an old cemetery near Prallsville, NJ. He was baptized on 16 October 1743 in the Kingwood Baptist Church (established 1743), Hunterdon County, NJ. It was not the church of his parents so, since he was over 20, it may have been that of his fiancée (Larew, 1975). His will, drawn 3 January 1799, probated 5 May 1799 cites: wife Elizabeth retains all land and goods belonging to her prior to their marriage; sons Benjamin, William, Garret, Abner; son Daniel the remainder of the homestead plantation; the six children of daughter Hannah Hyde (deceased): Amelia (her heirs), Rebecca, Jonathan, William, Benjamin, and Anna; daughters: Presylla Freeman, Anne Dansdill, Rebecca Bonham, Catherine Heath, Abigail Larue; executors: Benjamin Rettinghouse and Daniel Rettinghouse, both of Kingwood Township, NJ; witnesses: Uriah Sutton, Aaron Swayze, and Uriah Bonham Uriah Sutton was almost 20 years old and his grandfather, Uriah Bonham was an old man. Sutton had inherited a farm in close proximity to that of the farm of William Rittenhouse and Bonham was father-in-law to Rebecca Bonham. SOURCE of INFORMATION DR. CARL. M. SHUSTER JR., PhD, Arlington, Virginia. ANCESTRAL CHART and HANDBOOK, by Olive Barrick Rowland Published in 1935 by Garrett and Massey, Richmond. WILLIAM RITTENHOUSE JR. and REBECCA HARNED had the following children: i. ISAAC*6* (#24887) was born in Locktown, New Jersey, USA. ii. PRISCILLA (PRESYLLA) (#58861). She married SAMUEL FREEMAN date unknown. (SAMUEL FREEMAN is #66917.) 164 iii. BENJAMIN WILLIAM was born 17 December 1746 165 iv. GARRET was born 1754 166 v. HANNAH was born 1754 167 vi. WILLIAM was born 14 February 1755 168 vii. REBECCA was born 10 August 1758 169 viii. ABNER was born 05 May 1760 170 ix. DANIEL was born 02 March 1761 171 x. CATHERINE was born 1762 xi. ABIGAIL (#21819) was born in Locktown, New Jersey, USA 06 January 1764. ABIGAIL died 1809 at age 45. She married twice. She married UNKNOWN FREEMAN date unknown. (UNKNOWN FREEMAN is #37942.) She married ABRAHAM LA RUE (LAREW) 1781 in Hunterdon Co. NJ., USA. (ABRAHAM LA RUE (LAREW) is #21820.) ABRAHAM was born 20 January 1755. ABRAHAM died 26 May 1840 at age 85. ABIGAIL RITTENHOUSE married ABRAHAM LA RUE (Larew). Abraham was a veteran, discharged from the army in December 1779. Abigail was almost 16 at the time. Their first child was born 1n 1782. They lived in Fayette County, PA, probably drawn to the area by favorable reports from her three brothers who lived there [see Larew, 1975: 95-97]. SOURCE of INFORMATION DR. CARL N, SHUSTER, JR. Arlington, Virginia. e-mail carl.shuster@bookhouse.com xii. ANNA (#22809) was born in Locktown, New Jersey, USA 1765. She married twice. She married GEORGE DANSVILLE date unknown. (GEORGE DANSVILLE is #34306.) She married UNKNOWN MASON date unknown. (UNKNOWN MASONis #37943.)

Linda Thanks for posting this. Linda N On Mar 27, 2010, at 8:35 AM, Linda Schwenn wrote: > The Hunterdon *Democrat* was formed September 5, 1838 at Flemington, New > Jersey. > > Oct. 12, 1870, Vol. XXXIII, No. 8 (1724) Deaths-- "At the residence of > James Housel, in Flemington, August 24th, 1870, Anna C. Poulson, wife of > Sam'l Van Norman, of Wilkesbarre, Pa., aged 32 years, 4 months and 17 days." > > August 8, 1876, Vol. XXXVIII, No. 46, Whole No. 1975: Deaths June 9th, > 1876, at the residence of Sarah Poulson, in Flemington, Sarah Jane Van > Norman, aged 8 years, 5 months and 2 days. > > Oct 27, 1841, Vol IV, No. 9 (165) Marriage-- On the 7th inst., by the Rev. > J. N. Crane, Mr. Anthony Hough of Wantage, Sussex co., to Miss Elizabeth Wan > Norman of Raritan, Hunterdon co., NJ. > > June 4, 1878, Vol. XL - No. 41, Whole No. 2064 Marriages --May 29, by Rev. > Geo. Young, David Van Orman, of Kingwood to Martha E. Short, of Kent county, > Del. > > July 19, 1865, Vol. XXVII, No. 48 (1403) Married --July 4th, near Croton, > by Rev. J. B. Howard, Samuel Vannorman, to Anna C. Poulson. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message