My dad recently gave me a transcription of the events of a party which took place on July 28, 1874 in Tillsonburg, ON. Here is a copy. Enjoy! -- Beth Tadeson, BSc, MSc, MYCC Grimsby, ON www.myc.com/teacher/btadeson

I didn't get an attachment to this--maybe the spam filter stripped it off? Could you please re-send? Thanks! Laurie Cigan --- On Tue, 5/11/10, Beth Tadeson <mycgrimsby@gmail.com> wrote: From: Beth Tadeson <mycgrimsby@gmail.com> Subject: [VANNORMAN] Abram & Charity (Cummins) VN To: VANNORMAN@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 9:00 AM My dad recently gave me a transcription of the events of a party which took place on July 28, 1874 in Tillsonburg, ON.  Here is a copy. Enjoy! -- Beth Tadeson, BSc, MSc, MYCC Grimsby, ON www.myc.com/teacher/btadeson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just some random Berrien, Michigan, connections that may not mean a thing (citations on request). I've limited the list to facts before 1880. Maybe something will click for you: 1835 and 1839 deed record Berrien, MI, for Henry Jennings Slater (b 1804 Greene Co., PA). He married Lucy Vanarnam (1804 VT), oldest child of George Frederick and Mary Hill Vanarnam, my gg-grandparents. They married in OH, probably Knox Co, before 1830, and moved to Berrien, MI, about 1832: children born there in 1833, 1837, 1843. (Geo. Frederick and Mary moved to Indiana with their son Theodore.) 1850-51 Frederick Snow Van Aernam born (son of Danie Winne VanAernam) 1850 census: Daniel Winne VanAernam 27 NY, Lucy 25, Emma Beatta Van Aernam., A.P. VanAernam 23 (all b NY) Daniel is son of Abraham and Catherine Bedt and baptised in Helderberg church 1819. 1868 William Henry Van Orman age 18 b NY (Aaron< Daniel< Hendrick< Luykas) m Hannah Armstrong in in Buchanan, Berrien, MI. 1877 Decatur Bainbridge Van Orman (b 1853 Cawtawba, NY, son of Aaron) m. Sarah Ellen Weed, Hagar Twp., Berrien, MI Good luck! Linda Schwenn

Isaac and Matilda both age 21, he a blacksmith, are on the 2 lines above! > From: arkretired@hotmail.com > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 14:56:30 -0400 > Subject: [VANNORMAN] Hannah Paige 1850 census > > > I just found Hannah Paige in the 1850 census with Daniel Van Ornen (did you find him Stephen?) > > Arlene > > > > > > > > > > > Name: > > > Hannah Paige > > > Age: > > 82 > > > Estimated birth year: > > abt 1768 > > > Birth Place: > > Rhode Island > > > Home in 1850 (City,County,State): > > Newfane, Niagara, New York > > > Family Number: > > 188 > > > > > Household Members: > > > > > > > Name > > Age > > > Daniel Van Ornen > > 49 > > > Abagail Van Ornen > > 39 > > > Abram Van Ornen > > 18 > > > Jane Van Ornen > > 15 > > > Phillip Van Ornen > > 13 > > > Henry Van Ornen > > 10 > > > Stephen Van Ornen > > 7 > > > Drucilla Van Ornen > > 5 > > > Fhilena Van Ornen > > 2 > > > Hannah Paige > > 82 > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5

I just found Hannah Paige in the 1850 census with Daniel Van Ornen (did you find him Stephen?) Arlene Name: Hannah Paige Age: 82 Estimated birth year: abt 1768 Birth Place: Rhode Island Home in 1850 (City,County,State): Newfane, Niagara, New York Family Number: 188 Household Members: Name Age Daniel Van Ornen 49 Abagail Van Ornen 39 Abram Van Ornen 18 Jane Van Ornen 15 Phillip Van Ornen 13 Henry Van Ornen 10 Stephen Van Ornen 7 Drucilla Van Ornen 5 Fhilena Van Ornen 2 Hannah Paige 82 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1

Norhampton, you'll remember, was the location of Abraham (1762) VA, and a family named Olmstead were one of the three other families that pioneered the place with him. These are the early settlers of Northampton/Northeville: Zadoc Sherwood, Daniel Lobdell, Thomas Foster, Daniel and Timothy Resseguie, Caleb Lobdell, Abram (sic) Van Arnam, Nathen Hull, John McNeil, Calvin Young, Garrett Van Ness, Robert Palmer, and John Dennison. Isaac Penny, Justus Olmstead, Zadock Bass, Joseph Slocum, Caleb Meeker and Timothy Gifford --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Wood" <stephe.w300@gmail.com> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > Hi! > > Possible sibling of Jane Russell (1826 NY - 1901) w/o John P. > Robinson. > > 1) Daniel Russell (c1814 NY) - named first son Cornelius and second > daughter > Hannah > > Follows the naming patterns quite well and was in Northampton, Fulton > County, NY in the 1840 and 1850 census returns....(later entries not > checked > yet) > [A Joseph L. Russell was also listed in the 1840 census of Northampton > too....] > > No sign of Cornelius and Ana at that location that I can see however.... > > Stephen > > > On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Susan Claggett > <claimtofame@claggett6.com>wrote: > >> Does anyone know the parents of Ana VanArnam who married Cornelius >> Russell? >> She likely was born in the early 1800's. I am trying to locate the >> missing >> daughter (from the land grant) of Isaac VN and Hannah Brown who married >> an >> unknown Russell. Thanks >> >> Susan >> >> This is from Rootsweb World Connect >> >> * ID: I798 >> >> * Name: Ana VANARNAM >> >> >> Marriage: Cornelius RUSSELL >> >> Children >> >> 1. Jane RUSSELL b: 19 FEB 1826 in Northampton, Fulton County, New >> York, USA >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi! Possible sibling of Jane Russell (1826 NY - 1901) w/o John P. Robinson. 1) Daniel Russell (c1814 NY) - named first son Cornelius and second daughter Hannah Follows the naming patterns quite well and was in Northampton, Fulton County, NY in the 1840 and 1850 census returns....(later entries not checked yet) [A Joseph L. Russell was also listed in the 1840 census of Northampton too....] No sign of Cornelius and Ana at that location that I can see however.... Stephen On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Susan Claggett <claimtofame@claggett6.com>wrote: > Does anyone know the parents of Ana VanArnam who married Cornelius Russell? > She likely was born in the early 1800's. I am trying to locate the missing > daughter (from the land grant) of Isaac VN and Hannah Brown who married an > unknown Russell. Thanks > > Susan > > This is from Rootsweb World Connect > > * ID: I798 > > * Name: Ana VANARNAM > > > Marriage: Cornelius RUSSELL > > Children > > 1. Jane RUSSELL b: 19 FEB 1826 in Northampton, Fulton County, New > York, USA >

Hi! I believe we are chasing the wrong Russell family here. The Cornelius Russell of Berrien County, MI appears to have married Sarah Ackelburg or Ackeberger according to two death records for their children on the LDS pilot project website. Martha M. Walworth d. 1922, age 79 [Perhaps this is Mahala?] Charles Alvin Russell d. 1923 age 88 [Alvah? or Artemus??] Olive R. Strong d. 1908 age 67 [Rebecca O.?] (mother's name not given on this record though) All died in Berrien County, MI. [A Philip M. Walworth (b. ca. 1829) married Eliza Ann Russell (b. ca. 1845) on the 1st Sept. 1861 in Royalton, Berrian County, MI as well - possibly another daughter, but parents names not listed.] I did locate this family in the 1850 New York census return, enumerated in Portage, Livington County, NY, although he was enumerated as Conelius Rufus! Cornilius Russel 48 NY farmer Sarah A 37 PA Mary 22 NY Benjamin 15? NY farmer Alvah 11 NY Rebecca O. 10 NY Mahala 7 NY Eliza 5 NY Amanda 3 NY Ellen 6/12 NY A Cornelius Russell resided in Portage, Allegany County, NY in the 1840 census too, so the county borders may have shifted after that date - haven't followed up on that..... Couldn't spot Eli Russell at this time....(in 1850 census) Stephen On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Susan Claggett <claimtofame@claggett6.com>wrote: > > I believe we have located all of the children on this warrant except for > Auria Russell. Linda and I are working on Sarah Ann Russell born abt 1803 > NY who was married to Cornelius Russell on the 1860 census in Royalton, > Barrien, MI. They can not be found on the 1850 census at this time. The > name Sarah would fit well with Isaac VN's (1764) mother Sarah who was > married to Luykas. Most of the siblings ended up in MI. Lois and Hannah > VN lived a few doors down from each other in Rutland, Barry, MI in 1850 > which is the year she and her daughter died of Bilus Fever. > > On the 1850 census in Marcellus, Onondaga, NY there is a Sarah Russell in > Marcellus, Onondaga, NY born abt 1803 NY. She is living with Jonathan > Russell 1770 Conn. (Possible father of Cornelius) and Elisha Brown 1810 NY > and Margaret Brown 1806 (possible wife of Elisha) could these Browns be > related to Hannah Brown 1769? and there also is a Lydia Balch born abt 1800 > MA. > > My family has a known connection to Eli Russell who might tie in to > Cornelius and Sarah Ann Russell. Emma Fish Cornell (widow of Watson > Cornell) who was the brother to my GG Grandmother (Samantha Francis > Cornell) > was living with her sister Sarah Jane Fish Russell in 1920. These Fish > sister's were both living with Sarah Jane Fish Russell's daughter Maryette > Russell Yeoman and husband George P Yeoman (Youman on this census) in 1920 > in Comstock, Kalamazoo, MI. > > I found Sarah Jane Fish Russell married to Eli Russell born 1834 on the > 1860 > census in Comstock, Kalamazoo, MI. Eli Russell was killed in the civil war > in 1865 in Selma, AL. I could not find them on the 1850 census. > > I was thinking Eli Russell may be the son of Cornelius Russell and Auria > (Sarah Ann) Van Norman Russell? > > We need to find the Russell's on the 1850 census to help put this puzzle > together. > > Susan > > >

I believe we have located all of the children on this warrant except for Auria Russell. Linda and I are working on Sarah Ann Russell born abt 1803 NY who was married to Cornelius Russell on the 1860 census in Royalton, Barrien, MI. They can not be found on the 1850 census at this time. The name Sarah would fit well with Isaac VN's (1764) mother Sarah who was married to Luykas. Most of the siblings ended up in MI. Lois and Hannah VN lived a few doors down from each other in Rutland, Barry, MI in 1850 which is the year she and her daughter died of Bilus Fever. On the 1850 census in Marcellus, Onondaga, NY there is a Sarah Russell in Marcellus, Onondaga, NY born abt 1803 NY. She is living with Jonathan Russell 1770 Conn. (Possible father of Cornelius) and Elisha Brown 1810 NY and Margaret Brown 1806 (possible wife of Elisha) could these Browns be related to Hannah Brown 1769? and there also is a Lydia Balch born abt 1800 MA. My family has a known connection to Eli Russell who might tie in to Cornelius and Sarah Ann Russell. Emma Fish Cornell (widow of Watson Cornell) who was the brother to my GG Grandmother (Samantha Francis Cornell) was living with her sister Sarah Jane Fish Russell in 1920. These Fish sister's were both living with Sarah Jane Fish Russell's daughter Maryette Russell Yeoman and husband George P Yeoman (Youman on this census) in 1920 in Comstock, Kalamazoo, MI. I found Sarah Jane Fish Russell married to Eli Russell born 1834 on the 1860 census in Comstock, Kalamazoo, MI. Eli Russell was killed in the civil war in 1865 in Selma, AL. I could not find them on the 1850 census. I was thinking Eli Russell may be the son of Cornelius Russell and Auria (Sarah Ann) Van Norman Russell? We need to find the Russell's on the 1850 census to help put this puzzle together. Susan -----Original Message----- From: Arlene Reeves [mailto:arkretired@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 9:05 AM To: vannorman rootsweb Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell The names listed on the warrant # 27532 are: Luke, Philip, Daniel and Isaac Vannorman, Mrs. Hannah McMurry, Mrs. L. Omsted, Mrs Auria Russel, and Mrs. Susanna Chase. (as best I can transcribe them.) Arlene > Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 09:50:26 -0400 > From: stephe.w300@gmail.com > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > Hi again! > > Sorry - MY BAD!!! Not enough Sleep! > > I'm confusing my families....... > > My Anna / Hannah comment still holds, but forget what I said about the > will - (I even switched from Isaac to William somehow) > > It was the "U.S. War Bounty Land Warrants 1789 - 1858" at Ancestry that gave > us this list of children. I'll have to pull my copy of the original and take > another look at it again.... > > Stephen > > [P.S. - Pete's comment is correct, however I still think it would be more > apt to be the couple's own children named in the petition, especially when > none of them would have been underage when it was written in the 1840's.] > > SW > > Off to bed now, ZZZZZZZZZZZ > > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Arlene Reeves <arkretired@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > >> > >> Hi > >> > >> Where would the will be? > >> > >> > Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 08:25:42 -0400 > >> > From: stephe.w300@gmail.com > >> > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > >> > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > >> > > >> > Hi! > >> > > >> > My two cents worth... > >> > > >> > I had speculated earlier that I wondered if it could actually read > >> > Maria on the original, if the writing was really poor, but I can also > >> easily > >> > see how Anna could be made from Auria - again with poor writing. I guess > >> > we'll have to purchase a copy of the will eventually to see what the > >> > original looks like....... > >> > > >> > The only drawback with it being the name Anna is that there is already > >> > a sister Hannah, and "back in the day", those two names could be > >> > interchangeable, and both weren't often used in the same family. [Not a > >> rule > >> > etched in stone, however.....] > >> > > >> > Stephen > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:W L:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, it's definitely an "A" at the start of Auria and a "dot" over the "i" so it certainly looks like "Auria" was written down by the scribe. I wonder where he copied his information from? and if it was legible??? ["Amia" could be another take on the name, but that doesn't make sense.....] McMurry does appear to have an "s" before the "y" however and you would wonder why all the given names are there except for Mrs. "L." Omsted - Was the scribe having trouble copying the list of names on to this page? [We will probably never know!] Stephen ZZZZZZZZZZ On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Arlene Reeves <arkretired@hotmail.com>wrote: > > The names listed on the warrant # 27532 are: Luke, Philip, Daniel and Isaac > Vannorman, Mrs. Hannah McMurry, Mrs. L. Omsted, Mrs Auria Russel, and Mrs. > Susanna Chase. (as best I can transcribe them.) > > Arlene > > > Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 09:50:26 -0400 > > From: stephe.w300@gmail.com > > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > > > Hi again! > > > > Sorry - MY BAD!!! Not enough Sleep! > > > > I'm confusing my families....... > > > > My Anna / Hannah comment still holds, but forget what I said about the > > will - (I even switched from Isaac to William somehow) > > > > It was the "U.S. War Bounty Land Warrants 1789 - 1858" at Ancestry that > gave > > us this list of children. I'll have to pull my copy of the original and > take > > another look at it again.... > > > > Stephen > > > > [P.S. - Pete's comment is correct, however I still think it would be more > > apt to be the couple's own children named in the petition, especially > when > > none of them would have been underage when it was written in the 1840's.] > > > > SW > > > > Off to bed now, ZZZZZZZZZZZ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Arlene Reeves <arkretired@hotmail.com > >wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> Hi > > >> > > >> Where would the will be? > > >> > > >> > Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 08:25:42 -0400 > > >> > From: stephe.w300@gmail.com > > >> > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > > >> > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > >> > > > >> > Hi! > > >> > > > >> > My two cents worth... > > >> > > > >> > I had speculated earlier that I wondered if it could actually read > > >> > Maria on the original, if the writing was really poor, but I can > also > > >> easily > > >> > see how Anna could be made from Auria - again with poor writing. I > guess > > >> > we'll have to purchase a copy of the will eventually to see what the > > >> > original looks like....... > > >> > > > >> > The only drawback with it being the name Anna is that there is > already > > >> > a sister Hannah, and "back in the day", those two names could be > > >> > interchangeable, and both weren't often used in the same family. > [Not a > > >> rule > > >> > etched in stone, however.....] > > >> > > > >> > Stephen > > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your > inbox. > > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The names listed on the warrant # 27532 are: Luke, Philip, Daniel and Isaac Vannorman, Mrs. Hannah McMurry, Mrs. L. Omsted, Mrs Auria Russel, and Mrs. Susanna Chase. (as best I can transcribe them.) Arlene > Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 09:50:26 -0400 > From: stephe.w300@gmail.com > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > Hi again! > > Sorry - MY BAD!!! Not enough Sleep! > > I'm confusing my families....... > > My Anna / Hannah comment still holds, but forget what I said about the > will - (I even switched from Isaac to William somehow) > > It was the "U.S. War Bounty Land Warrants 1789 - 1858" at Ancestry that gave > us this list of children. I'll have to pull my copy of the original and take > another look at it again.... > > Stephen > > [P.S. - Pete's comment is correct, however I still think it would be more > apt to be the couple's own children named in the petition, especially when > none of them would have been underage when it was written in the 1840's.] > > SW > > Off to bed now, ZZZZZZZZZZZ > > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Arlene Reeves <arkretired@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > >> > >> Hi > >> > >> Where would the will be? > >> > >> > Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 08:25:42 -0400 > >> > From: stephe.w300@gmail.com > >> > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > >> > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > >> > > >> > Hi! > >> > > >> > My two cents worth... > >> > > >> > I had speculated earlier that I wondered if it could actually read > >> > Maria on the original, if the writing was really poor, but I can also > >> easily > >> > see how Anna could be made from Auria - again with poor writing. I guess > >> > we'll have to purchase a copy of the will eventually to see what the > >> > original looks like....... > >> > > >> > The only drawback with it being the name Anna is that there is already > >> > a sister Hannah, and "back in the day", those two names could be > >> > interchangeable, and both weren't often used in the same family. [Not a > >> rule > >> > etched in stone, however.....] > >> > > >> > Stephen > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1

Hi again! Sorry - MY BAD!!! Not enough Sleep! I'm confusing my families....... My Anna / Hannah comment still holds, but forget what I said about the will - (I even switched from Isaac to William somehow) It was the "U.S. War Bounty Land Warrants 1789 - 1858" at Ancestry that gave us this list of children. I'll have to pull my copy of the original and take another look at it again.... Stephen [P.S. - Pete's comment is correct, however I still think it would be more apt to be the couple's own children named in the petition, especially when none of them would have been underage when it was written in the 1840's.] SW Off to bed now, ZZZZZZZZZZZ > > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Arlene Reeves <arkretired@hotmail.com>wrote: > >> >> Hi >> >> Where would the will be? >> >> > Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 08:25:42 -0400 >> > From: stephe.w300@gmail.com >> > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell >> > >> > Hi! >> > >> > My two cents worth... >> > >> > I had speculated earlier that I wondered if it could actually read >> > Maria on the original, if the writing was really poor, but I can also >> easily >> > see how Anna could be made from Auria - again with poor writing. I guess >> > we'll have to purchase a copy of the will eventually to see what the >> > original looks like....... >> > >> > The only drawback with it being the name Anna is that there is already >> > a sister Hannah, and "back in the day", those two names could be >> > interchangeable, and both weren't often used in the same family. [Not a >> rule >> > etched in stone, however.....] >> > >> > Stephen >> >

Thanks Stephen, I do remember that. Was there also a will for Isaac? I guess my brain isn't working well today- is William his son? Also, I was on Heritage Quest and found a 13 page document of Hannah's application for Pension. In the document (pg 10) it refers to Isaac selling his Land Warrant to Michael (maybe Sampson) "49 or 50 years ago" (document dated 1844). It appears Isaac had more than 1 land warrant, # 7913 dated 1793 and # 27532 dated 1848. One for his service in the Revolutionary War and one of the War of 1812? He died August 15 1812 from the "prevailing epidemic" according to these papers. Arlene > Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 08:42:57 -0400 > From: stephe.w300@gmail.com > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > Hi Arlene! > > Remember that list of NY wills I posted back in the summer of 2009 > (after which you obtained Peter's will)? I believe number 33 on my list is > this will. > > Tompkins County: Vannorman, William Ithaca 1827/32 > > I plan to obtain more of these wills soon, but this one isn't on my > "wish" list as someone has already transcribed it (however poor the writing > must have been). > > The current indexes for the U.S. wills are at the following website: > www.sampubco.com/wills/index.htm > > [still a work in progress....] > > Stephen > > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Arlene Reeves <arkretired@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > > Where would the will be? > > > > > Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 08:25:42 -0400 > > > From: stephe.w300@gmail.com > > > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > My two cents worth... > > > > > > I had speculated earlier that I wondered if it could actually read > > > Maria on the original, if the writing was really poor, but I can also > > easily > > > see how Anna could be made from Auria - again with poor writing. I guess > > > we'll have to purchase a copy of the will eventually to see what the > > > original looks like....... > > > > > > The only drawback with it being the name Anna is that there is already > > > a sister Hannah, and "back in the day", those two names could be > > > interchangeable, and both weren't often used in the same family. [Not a > > rule > > > etched in stone, however.....] > > > > > > Stephen > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3

I'd tend to agree with Stephe on playing the odds the individuals named were the couple's offspring. Even so, I have one earlier instance in which a woman gave one of her children to her (far better-off but childless) sister to adopt as her own; the child was known by and used the Van Arnam surname, at least most of the time. It was a different world and these people weren't us. --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Wood" <stephe.w300@gmail.com> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > Hi again! > > Sorry - MY BAD!!! Not enough Sleep! > > I'm confusing my families....... > > My Anna / Hannah comment still holds, but forget what I said about the > will - (I even switched from Isaac to William somehow) > > It was the "U.S. War Bounty Land Warrants 1789 - 1858" at Ancestry that > gave > us this list of children. I'll have to pull my copy of the original and > take > another look at it again.... > > Stephen > > [P.S. - Pete's comment is correct, however I still think it would be more > apt to be the couple's own children named in the petition, especially when > none of them would have been underage when it was written in the 1840's.] > > SW > > Off to bed now, ZZZZZZZZZZZ > > > > > >> >> On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Arlene Reeves >> <arkretired@hotmail.com>wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> Where would the will be? >>> >>> > Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 08:25:42 -0400 >>> > From: stephe.w300@gmail.com >>> > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com >>> > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell >>> > >>> > Hi! >>> > >>> > My two cents worth... >>> > >>> > I had speculated earlier that I wondered if it could actually read >>> > Maria on the original, if the writing was really poor, but I can also >>> easily >>> > see how Anna could be made from Auria - again with poor writing. I >>> > guess >>> > we'll have to purchase a copy of the will eventually to see what the >>> > original looks like....... >>> > >>> > The only drawback with it being the name Anna is that there is already >>> > a sister Hannah, and "back in the day", those two names could be >>> > interchangeable, and both weren't often used in the same family. [Not >>> > a >>> rule >>> > etched in stone, however.....] >>> > >>> > Stephen >>> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Arlene! Remember that list of NY wills I posted back in the summer of 2009 (after which you obtained Peter's will)? I believe number 33 on my list is this will. Tompkins County: Vannorman, William Ithaca 1827/32 I plan to obtain more of these wills soon, but this one isn't on my "wish" list as someone has already transcribed it (however poor the writing must have been). The current indexes for the U.S. wills are at the following website: www.sampubco.com/wills/index.htm [still a work in progress....] Stephen On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Arlene Reeves <arkretired@hotmail.com>wrote: > > Hi > > Where would the will be? > > > Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 08:25:42 -0400 > > From: stephe.w300@gmail.com > > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > > > Hi! > > > > My two cents worth... > > > > I had speculated earlier that I wondered if it could actually read > > Maria on the original, if the writing was really poor, but I can also > easily > > see how Anna could be made from Auria - again with poor writing. I guess > > we'll have to purchase a copy of the will eventually to see what the > > original looks like....... > > > > The only drawback with it being the name Anna is that there is already > > a sister Hannah, and "back in the day", those two names could be > > interchangeable, and both weren't often used in the same family. [Not a > rule > > etched in stone, however.....] > > > > Stephen >

Hi Where would the will be? > Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 08:25:42 -0400 > From: stephe.w300@gmail.com > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > Hi! > > My two cents worth... > > I had speculated earlier that I wondered if it could actually read > Maria on the original, if the writing was really poor, but I can also easily > see how Anna could be made from Auria - again with poor writing. I guess > we'll have to purchase a copy of the will eventually to see what the > original looks like....... > > The only drawback with it being the name Anna is that there is already > a sister Hannah, and "back in the day", those two names could be > interchangeable, and both weren't often used in the same family. [Not a rule > etched in stone, however.....] > > Stephen > > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Arlene Reeves <arkretired@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > > > Thanks for the info. > > > > So in a transcribed list, it could be transcribed Russell, Rufsel, or > > Rujsel I guess. What do you think about the Auria/ Aurelia possibilities? > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3

Hi! My two cents worth... I had speculated earlier that I wondered if it could actually read Maria on the original, if the writing was really poor, but I can also easily see how Anna could be made from Auria - again with poor writing. I guess we'll have to purchase a copy of the will eventually to see what the original looks like....... The only drawback with it being the name Anna is that there is already a sister Hannah, and "back in the day", those two names could be interchangeable, and both weren't often used in the same family. [Not a rule etched in stone, however.....] Stephen On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Arlene Reeves <arkretired@hotmail.com>wrote: > > Thanks for the info. > > So in a transcribed list, it could be transcribed Russell, Rufsel, or > Rujsel I guess. What do you think about the Auria/ Aurelia possibilities? > >

My 1/2 cent's worth with regard to "Anna" and "Hannah" tending not to be names used for siblings: As near as I could tell when I was noodling around the Finger Lakes region, there appeared to be several different Van Arnam/Van Normans families in the mid 1800's. At least two were connected to each other because one girl gave a book to her cousin (the link's gone now, by the way) although I couldn't tell to which family either child belonged. All of which is kind of a preface to reminding that kids in the same family weren't necessarily siblings. I have at least two initially confusing instances later on in which kids from one family for some reason were clearly living with their father's brother. (There are others where they're living with their father's married sister but then the situation is much more obvious.) --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Wood" <stephe.w300@gmail.com> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > Hi! > > My two cents worth... > > I had speculated earlier that I wondered if it could actually read > Maria on the original, if the writing was really poor, but I can also > easily > see how Anna could be made from Auria - again with poor writing. I guess > we'll have to purchase a copy of the will eventually to see what the > original looks like....... > > The only drawback with it being the name Anna is that there is already > a sister Hannah, and "back in the day", those two names could be > interchangeable, and both weren't often used in the same family. [Not a > rule > etched in stone, however.....] > > Stephen > > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Arlene Reeves > <arkretired@hotmail.com>wrote: > >> >> Thanks for the info. >> >> So in a transcribed list, it could be transcribed Russell, Rufsel, or >> Rujsel I guess. What do you think about the Auria/ Aurelia >> possibilities? >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

If I can ever help you out getting copies of the wills on microfilm at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah, I would gladly do it. Before asking, check the Catalog to see what microfilm it is on. I do things like that for other people all the time through a group I belong to, RAOGK (Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness, http://www.raogk.org ). I live 20 minutes from the Library. Vicki --- On Sat, 5/8/10, Stephen Wood <stephe.w300@gmail.com> wrote: From: Stephen Wood <stephe.w300@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, May 8, 2010, 6:42 AM Hi Arlene!      Remember that list of NY wills I posted back in the summer of 2009 (after which you obtained Peter's will)?  I believe number 33 on my list is this will. Tompkins County:  Vannorman, William   Ithaca   1827/32     I plan to obtain more of these wills soon, but this one isn't on my "wish" list as someone has already transcribed it (however poor the writing must have been). The current indexes for the U.S. wills are at the following website: www.sampubco.com/wills/index.htm [still a work in progress....] Stephen On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Arlene Reeves <arkretired@hotmail.com>wrote: > > Hi > > Where would the will be? > > > Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 08:25:42 -0400 > > From: stephe.w300@gmail.com > > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > >  > Hi! > > > > My two cents worth... > > > > I had speculated earlier that I wondered if it could actually read > > Maria on the original, if the writing was really poor, but I can also > easily > > see how Anna could be made from Auria - again with poor writing. I guess > > we'll have to purchase a copy of the will eventually to see what the > > original looks like....... > > > > The only drawback with it being the name Anna is that there is already > > a sister Hannah, and "back in the day", those two names could be > > interchangeable, and both weren't often used in the same family. [Not a > rule > > etched in stone, however.....] > > > > Stephen > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the info. So in a transcribed list, it could be transcribed Russell, Rufsel, or Rujsel I guess. What do you think about the Auria/ Aurelia possibilities? > From: gonigam@hotmail.com > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 12:05:19 -0500 > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > First S in a word. In some hands a florid capital J looks like an F, too. > --pete > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laurie Cigan" <lcigan@yahoo.com> > To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 11:51 AM > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > > Arlene: > > Depending on the age of the document, what looks like "Rufsell" might > actually be "Russell". In earlier times it was very common for the double s > to be written this way, where the s looks like an s. Just look at the > Declaration of Independence or the Constitution--you'll fee many examplef of > thif! > > Laurie > > --- On Fri, 5/7/10, Arlene Reeves <arkretired@hotmail.com> wrote: > > From: Arlene Reeves <arkretired@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > To: "vannorman rootsweb" <vannorman@rootsweb.com> > Date: Friday, May 7, 2010, 9:50 AM > > > Hi Susan, > > I have not had much time to look as I am "working as a census enumerator". > After looking at census for finding my ancestors I find it very interesting > to be working on it. > > > > I noticed that the name on the Land Warrant appears to be Auria Rufsell, not > Ann Russell. So I'm a bit confused. In looking for Auria VanNorman I found > her on Ancestry.com including on your family tree - you don't have her > connected to any one but show her as born in 1791. Others have her connected > to Isaac and Hannah. I could not find Auria Rufsell but did find many other > Rufsells. > > > > On the Van Orman Family Tree > http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/15448800/person/271454232?ssrc= > > the owner shows Auria as the 3rd child of Isaac and Hannah. > > I just found Aurelia VanNorman on your family tree, married to a Russell. > Maybe you just added it from your current research, again no parents. > > I'll keep looking. > > Arlene > > > > > > > > > > Van Orman Family Tree > > > > > > > > > > > > Van Orman Family Tree > > > > From: claimtofame@claggett6.com > > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > > Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 23:13:32 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > > > Hi Pete: > > > > I am quite sure about my father's line to Isaac Van Orman 1794 who was > > married to Cynthia Hatch. My Isaac and Cynthia VN's son William Henry Van > > Orman was born in 1832 NY and married Samantha Francis Cornell. Her > > brother > > Watson Cornell married Emma Fish 1845 NY in Michigan. Emma "Emily" Fish > > Cornell is living with my William Henry and Samantha Cornell VO in > > Anderson, > > IN in 1900. > > > > I show Isaac Van Norman born in 1764 Bennington, VT and he was married to > > Hannah Brown and his parents are Luykas and Sarah Payne VanArnhem. Do you > > agree with this information? > > > > Lois Van Norman 1809 daughter of Isaac and Hannah Brown VN married Solomon > > Olmstead 1790 VT and they moved to Michigan as well. > > > > Susan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pete Gonigam [mailto:gonigam@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:39 PM > > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > > > Are you sure these people all belong together? > > Random observations: > > > > The names Olmstead and Fish are both connected to the families descended > > from Abraham (1762) Van Arnam and Hanna Newcomb. A child or grandchild > > married into the (fellow pioneer) Olmsteads. The Fish family was part of > > the Newcombs or Howlands (her mother's family) I think. In fact, I think > > the Balch's connected with the Howlands but I think that was very early in > > their line. > > > > Lawyer John Van Arman had an office in Kalamazoo for a while. He's the one > > who had 13 (?) unknown siblings and while I've never found evidence any > > followed him to Michigan it wouldn't be surprising if one or more did. He > > is probably a great-grandson of Isaac (1704) so neither would it be > > surprising to find someone named Isaac associated with him. > > > > After about 1870 recall that George W. Van Arnam from my line (Jacob 1773) > > was present in Barry County. I've never traced the family so I don't know > > for how long. > > > > --pete > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Susan Claggett" <claimtofame@claggett6.com> > > To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:02 PM > > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > > > > > > Hi Linda and all: > > > > > > I sure could use some help here, LOL. I was working on that same Sarah > > > Ann > > > and Cornelius Russell until my head started spinning from confusion. I > > > figured I would put it down for a few weeks and hopefully be able to > > > continue on with finding our missing Auria VN Russell. I think I am > > > ready > > > to get back to the puzzle. > > > > > > As most of you know I feel that my Isaac VN married to Cynthia Hatch is > > > the > > > son of Isaac and Hannah Brown. I am still trying to prove the > > > relationship. > > > I have been able to locate all of the siblings listed on the land grant > > > except for Auria Russell. > > > > > > I believe I found Hannah McMurray just a few doors down from her sister > > > Lois > > > VN Omstead on the 1850 census in Rutland, Barry, MI. Solomon and Lois VN > > > Omstead lived at house 559 and Samuel McMurray (Hannah VN's widowed > > > husband) > > > listed as Samuel McMana on this census lived at house 568. Hannah VN > > > McMurray (and her daughter Hannah) died in May of 1850 from Bilus Fever > > > which was just a few months before the census but I found her listed in > > > the > > > mortality schedules. > > > > > > Another clue I have about the Russell name that might tie in is that > > > Emma > > > Fish Cornell (widow of Watson Cornell) who was the brother to my GG > > > Grandmother (Samantha Francis Cornell) was living with her sister Sarah > > > Jane > > > Fish Russell in 1920. These Fish sister's were both living with Sarah > > > Jane > > > Fish Russell's daughter Maryette Russell Yeoman and husband George P > > > Yeoman > > > (Youman on this census) in 1920 in Comstock, Kalamazoo, MI. > > > > > > I found Sarah Jane Fish Russell married to Eli Russell born 1834 on the > > > 1860 > > > census in Comstock, Kalamazoo, MI. Eli Russell was killed in the civil > > > war > > > in 1865 in Selma, AL. I could not find them on the 1850 census. > > > > > > I was thinking Eli Russell may be the son of Cornelius Russell and Auria > > > (Sarah Ann) Van Norman Russell? > > > > > > There is a Sarah Russell born 1803 NY listed on the 1870 census in > > > Marcellus, Onondaga, NY. She is living with her probable daughter Jane > > > Russell Wells who is married to Warren Wells. They are living next door > > > to > > > David and Joanna Fish and another Wells family. I think this may tie in > > > with the death record of Cornelius Russell in 1866 at the Berrien > > > Cemetery > > > that you found. Our Sarah Ann VN Russell must have gone to live with her > > > daughter Jane Russell Wells back in NY. The other Wells family look the > > > age > > > to be the parents of Warren Wells. > > > > > > What do you all think? I am hopeful... and could use your input. Thanks > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Susan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Linda Schwenn [mailto:schwel@comcast.net] > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 2:46 PM > > > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Ana VanArnam married to Cornelius Russell > > > > > > There is a family in 1860 Royalton Twp., Berrien Co., MI, headed by > > > Cornelius Russell (1800 NY) and his wife Sarah Ann (1814 NY). This is a > > > possibility at least. Their > > > "children's" ages are problematic given that the oldest is only 8 yrs > > > younger than Sarah Ann, so the enumerator might have mixed siblings in > > > with > > > children. The Berrien County site has a cemetery record Cornelius for > > > Cornelius Russell who died in 1866 age 67. No Sarah Ann listed, nor any > > > other family names. I can't find any of them after 1860. Lots of males > > > disappear from census records after 1860 due to the war, so it may not > > > be > > > surprising to lose many of these Russells by 1870. > > > > > > Linda Schwenn > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. 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