Arlene, I say absolutely yes on the DNA test. Charlie Van Norman On 7/19/2010 5:37 PM, Arlene Reeves wrote: > Hi ALL, > > I have heard so many times "don't trust what you find on the internet"! And that includes geneology info as well as medical advice, etc. I've also heard the "VanArnhem Family in North America" book has many mistakes. The internet and the book also have many accurate pieces of information. I know from experience there are errors in many documents, including official documents. I recently spoke with a village clerk who had birth certificate request from a women who had born 4 children - her birth certificate says she is a male, the clerk could not correct that info. She was applying for Social Security, what a mess she had. And my favorite story is a picture I have from my parents home with "Leon and his grandfather" written on the back. Leon Joseph Van Norman is my father, he was born May 22, 1905, his grandfather Oliver Augustus Van Norman died October 15, 1904. The pic can't be who it says! > > > > I have made many assumptions in my research and I'm sure we all know what assume means. I'm sure I have many errors in my personal Family Tree Maker program. All information is important and might lead to the accurate account of our heritage. > > > > Most important is that we treat others research with respect. That does not mean we can't challange or correct each other as we all need the help! > > Arlene > > PS: Do you think we should ask Pim if there is a living male in the family that would do the DNA test? > > >> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:28:09 +0200 >> From: wc.van.arnhem@xmsnet.nl >> To: vannorman@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] VANNORMAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 89 >> >> Hi people in the States, >> >> Like I have written in the past, I used the next sources for my >> US-branch of the family Van Arnhem (and Pete I'm absolutely familiar >> with the meaning of the name!!). Since I haven't had time to work >> evidence of the sources on the US-branch, there has been no mail from >> me. (My focus is on the Dutch-branches and those are all verified and >> trustworthy). So for the US-branch on my site I used these sources: >> http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vnfa/families.html >> http://gedcomindex.com/towns/nlge004.html >> http://www.ristenbatt.com/genealogy >> http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=joanfran&id=I00239] >> >> If those Us-sources are not reliable, then you are right that my info is >> indeed also not reliable. If you have more and/or better info, I'll be >> glad to receive is. >> Greetings from the Netherlands. >> Pim van Arnhem >> >> Op 10-7-2010 9:02, vannorman-request@rootsweb.com schreef: >> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Genealogy of van Arnhem by Pim van Arnhem (Susan Claggett) >>> 2. Re: Genealogy of van Arnhem by Pim van Arnhem (Pete Gonigam) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:01:52 -0500 >>> From: "Susan Claggett"<claimtofame@claggett6.com> >>> Subject: [VANNORMAN] Genealogy of van Arnhem by Pim van Arnhem >>> To:<vannorman@rootsweb.com> >>> Message-ID:<D0FDA67EDF7F4081AC24607EAC94627E@vantk1o0kgylz7> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>> Has anyone seen this website? And if so is the information believed to be >>> accurate? Thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> Susan >>> >>> >>> >>> http://home.xmsnet.nl/pimonline/tak-arnhem-VS.html >>> >>> >>> >>> Genealogy of van Arnhem by Pim van Arnhem >>> >>> The genealogy of Dirk Jansz van Arnhem begins in Arnhem , but already in the >>> second generation son in January Dircksen travels from Arnhem to the United >>> States of America . We are therefore faced with one branch primarily in the >>> U.S. developed . >>> >>> Fascinating is the number of name changes: of Aernhem, of Aernam, >>> d'Arenberg, Vanorman, of Aarnem, of Aernum, of ornamental, Vann Orman, by >>> Arnam, of Arnum, of Ornum, Norman >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 12:05:54 -0500 >>> From: "Pete Gonigam"<gonigam@hotmail.com> >>> Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Genealogy of van Arnhem by Pim van Arnhem >>> To:<vannorman@rootsweb.com> >>> Message-ID:<BLU0-SMTP5877106E60418C9CAD733FABB50@phx.gbl> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> I hadn't seen his site but this guy popped up on the board a few times a >>> couple of years ago all hot and bothered that he'd found "U.S. Van Arnhems". >>> Even though he's Dutch it hadn't occurred to him that Van Arnhem just means >>> "from Arnhem" and lotsa people were in the old days. (There was a Henry >>> "from Arnhem" in Brooklyn 1742 or so who had no connection with our line; >>> I've never figured out if he died or took a different surname.) Anyway, I >>> told Pim I could suggest some fruitful lines of research to pursue in >>> Netherlands if he wanted to research U.S. Van Arnhems but he never answered >>> back. >>> >>> The site as far as U.S. Van Arnhems (etc.) is concerned is utterly >>> unreliable. >>> >>> There's nothing other than "Van Arnhem" to connect our Jan Dircks with the >>> parents listed on the site (and several reasons to think they're the wrong >>> ones.) Jan Dirks wasn't on the "Broken Heart", rather (no records, only >>> logic) "The Faith" with Sara Theunis. Sara was NOT the daughter of Theunis >>> Van Sallee. (Records show that woman married someone else and died in >>> Massachussets, I think.) Etc., etc., etc. >>> >>> I don't have a copy of it, but I think one way or another, this guy's site >>> derives from "Van Arnhems in North America" which we've proved in many ways >>> is itself unreliable. >>> >>> --pete >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Susan Claggett"<claimtofame@claggett6.com> >>> To:<vannorman@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:01 AM >>> Subject: [VANNORMAN] Genealogy of van Arnhem by Pim van Arnhem >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Has anyone seen this website? And if so is the information believed to be >>>> accurate? Thanks >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Susan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://home.xmsnet.nl/pimonline/tak-arnhem-VS.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Genealogy of van Arnhem by Pim van Arnhem >>>> >>>> The genealogy of Dirk Jansz van Arnhem begins in Arnhem , but already in >>>> the >>>> second generation son in January Dircksen travels from Arnhem to the >>>> United >>>> States of America . We are therefore faced with one branch primarily in >>>> the >>>> U.S. developed . >>>> >>>> Fascinating is the number of name changes: of Aernhem, of Aernam, >>>> d'Arenberg, Vanorman, of Aarnem, of Aernum, of ornamental, Vann Orman, by >>>> Arnam, of Arnum, of Ornum, Norman >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> To contact the VANNORMAN list administrator, send an email to >>> VANNORMAN-admin@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> To post a message to the VANNORMAN mailing list, send an email to VANNORMAN@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> __________________________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>> email with no additional text. >>> >>> >>> End of VANNORMAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 89 >>> **************************************** >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. 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Hi people in the States, Like I have written in the past, I used the next sources for my US-branch of the family Van Arnhem (and Pete I'm absolutely familiar with the meaning of the name!!). Since I haven't had time to work evidence of the sources on the US-branch, there has been no mail from me. (My focus is on the Dutch-branches and those are all verified and trustworthy). So for the US-branch on my site I used these sources: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vnfa/families.html http://gedcomindex.com/towns/nlge004.html http://www.ristenbatt.com/genealogy http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=joanfran&id=I00239] If those Us-sources are not reliable, then you are right that my info is indeed also not reliable. If you have more and/or better info, I'll be glad to receive is. Greetings from the Netherlands. Pim van Arnhem Op 10-7-2010 9:02, vannorman-request@rootsweb.com schreef: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Genealogy of van Arnhem by Pim van Arnhem (Susan Claggett) > 2. Re: Genealogy of van Arnhem by Pim van Arnhem (Pete Gonigam) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:01:52 -0500 > From: "Susan Claggett"<claimtofame@claggett6.com> > Subject: [VANNORMAN] Genealogy of van Arnhem by Pim van Arnhem > To:<vannorman@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID:<D0FDA67EDF7F4081AC24607EAC94627E@vantk1o0kgylz7> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Has anyone seen this website? And if so is the information believed to be > accurate? Thanks > > > > Susan > > > > http://home.xmsnet.nl/pimonline/tak-arnhem-VS.html > > > > Genealogy of van Arnhem by Pim van Arnhem > > The genealogy of Dirk Jansz van Arnhem begins in Arnhem , but already in the > second generation son in January Dircksen travels from Arnhem to the United > States of America . We are therefore faced with one branch primarily in the > U.S. developed . > > Fascinating is the number of name changes: of Aernhem, of Aernam, > d'Arenberg, Vanorman, of Aarnem, of Aernum, of ornamental, Vann Orman, by > Arnam, of Arnum, of Ornum, Norman > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 12:05:54 -0500 > From: "Pete Gonigam"<gonigam@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Genealogy of van Arnhem by Pim van Arnhem > To:<vannorman@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID:<BLU0-SMTP5877106E60418C9CAD733FABB50@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I hadn't seen his site but this guy popped up on the board a few times a > couple of years ago all hot and bothered that he'd found "U.S. Van Arnhems". > Even though he's Dutch it hadn't occurred to him that Van Arnhem just means > "from Arnhem" and lotsa people were in the old days. (There was a Henry > "from Arnhem" in Brooklyn 1742 or so who had no connection with our line; > I've never figured out if he died or took a different surname.) Anyway, I > told Pim I could suggest some fruitful lines of research to pursue in > Netherlands if he wanted to research U.S. Van Arnhems but he never answered > back. > > The site as far as U.S. Van Arnhems (etc.) is concerned is utterly > unreliable. > > There's nothing other than "Van Arnhem" to connect our Jan Dircks with the > parents listed on the site (and several reasons to think they're the wrong > ones.) Jan Dirks wasn't on the "Broken Heart", rather (no records, only > logic) "The Faith" with Sara Theunis. Sara was NOT the daughter of Theunis > Van Sallee. (Records show that woman married someone else and died in > Massachussets, I think.) Etc., etc., etc. > > I don't have a copy of it, but I think one way or another, this guy's site > derives from "Van Arnhems in North America" which we've proved in many ways > is itself unreliable. > > --pete > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Claggett"<claimtofame@claggett6.com> > To:<vannorman@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:01 AM > Subject: [VANNORMAN] Genealogy of van Arnhem by Pim van Arnhem > > > >> Has anyone seen this website? And if so is the information believed to be >> accurate? Thanks >> >> >> >> Susan >> >> >> >> http://home.xmsnet.nl/pimonline/tak-arnhem-VS.html >> >> >> >> Genealogy of van Arnhem by Pim van Arnhem >> >> The genealogy of Dirk Jansz van Arnhem begins in Arnhem , but already in >> the >> second generation son in January Dircksen travels from Arnhem to the >> United >> States of America . We are therefore faced with one branch primarily in >> the >> U.S. developed . >> >> Fascinating is the number of name changes: of Aernhem, of Aernam, >> d'Arenberg, Vanorman, of Aarnem, of Aernum, of ornamental, Vann Orman, by >> Arnam, of Arnum, of Ornum, Norman >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the VANNORMAN list administrator, send an email to > VANNORMAN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the VANNORMAN mailing list, send an email to VANNORMAN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of VANNORMAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 89 > **************************************** > > >

North Plains Cemetery, Ionia County, Michigan Name, age, dod, lot# VanNorman, Almon 70 yrs 06-25-1924 367-5 VanNorman, Clara B. 78 yrs 05-28-1935 367-8 VanNorman, Grace 35 yrs 1917 367-2 VanNorman, Homer D. 83 yrs 02-17-1964 367-1 http://ionia.migenweb.net/cemetery/nplains.htm

I hadn't seen his site but this guy popped up on the board a few times a couple of years ago all hot and bothered that he'd found "U.S. Van Arnhems". Even though he's Dutch it hadn't occurred to him that Van Arnhem just means "from Arnhem" and lotsa people were in the old days. (There was a Henry "from Arnhem" in Brooklyn 1742 or so who had no connection with our line; I've never figured out if he died or took a different surname.) Anyway, I told Pim I could suggest some fruitful lines of research to pursue in Netherlands if he wanted to research U.S. Van Arnhems but he never answered back. The site as far as U.S. Van Arnhems (etc.) is concerned is utterly unreliable. There's nothing other than "Van Arnhem" to connect our Jan Dircks with the parents listed on the site (and several reasons to think they're the wrong ones.) Jan Dirks wasn't on the "Broken Heart", rather (no records, only logic) "The Faith" with Sara Theunis. Sara was NOT the daughter of Theunis Van Sallee. (Records show that woman married someone else and died in Massachussets, I think.) Etc., etc., etc. I don't have a copy of it, but I think one way or another, this guy's site derives from "Van Arnhems in North America" which we've proved in many ways is itself unreliable. --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Claggett" <claimtofame@claggett6.com> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:01 AM Subject: [VANNORMAN] Genealogy of van Arnhem by Pim van Arnhem > Has anyone seen this website? And if so is the information believed to be > accurate? Thanks > > > > Susan > > > > http://home.xmsnet.nl/pimonline/tak-arnhem-VS.html > > > > Genealogy of van Arnhem by Pim van Arnhem > > The genealogy of Dirk Jansz van Arnhem begins in Arnhem , but already in > the > second generation son in January Dircksen travels from Arnhem to the > United > States of America . We are therefore faced with one branch primarily in > the > U.S. developed . > > Fascinating is the number of name changes: of Aernhem, of Aernam, > d'Arenberg, Vanorman, of Aarnem, of Aernum, of ornamental, Vann Orman, by > Arnam, of Arnum, of Ornum, Norman > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Has anyone seen this website? And if so is the information believed to be accurate? Thanks Susan http://home.xmsnet.nl/pimonline/tak-arnhem-VS.html Genealogy of van Arnhem by Pim van Arnhem The genealogy of Dirk Jansz van Arnhem begins in Arnhem , but already in the second generation son in January Dircksen travels from Arnhem to the United States of America . We are therefore faced with one branch primarily in the U.S. developed . Fascinating is the number of name changes: of Aernhem, of Aernam, d'Arenberg, Vanorman, of Aarnem, of Aernum, of ornamental, Vann Orman, by Arnam, of Arnum, of Ornum, Norman

Hi all, I haven't posted for a while but I thought many of you (especially you Stephen) would be interested in the development of this new genetic test. Basically, what it is about is that a new genetic test has been developed that can pinpoint one's ancestors to within 5 miles. Here is the link to the article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1292390/Genetic-test-pinpoint-ancestors-came-miles.html -Christina

Albert Vanorman is listed in the first known ancestor's list (those whom we cannot link to a known ancestor). A group sheet for Albert is posted on the Van Norman Family Association website: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vnfa/families-VN031.html<http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Evnfa/families-VN031.html> I've added him to the VNFA website along with documentation on what I've found about him, his parents and descendants. His first marriage record says he was born in Hillsdale, MI. On his second marriage record, which indicates a second marriage for him and 2-3 previous marriages for Orilla, his parents are identified as Osman Van Norman (US), and Caroline Folson, (NY) [to see this record go to the Family Search pilot site, and search for Caroline Folson in Michigan.]. Together, these facts suggest a possible relationship to Ephraim Vanorman (b NY) who married Sophronia Perry Folsom, who lived in Hillsdale, MI, in 1850, 1870, 1880. His first marriage record his name is James, but all subsequent records I found have him as Albert or Bert. James/Sarah F married in 1874 and the 1880 census has Albert/Sarah together. So I feel Albert and James are one guy, just disconcerting to have "James" not appear on any other document so far. Anyone have an idea who this Osman Van Norman is? Linda Schwenn

Aha! Addie Perkins is Arthur's first wife, b Dec 1862. I didn't have her > maiden name. > > From *Landmarks of Monroe County, NY* > by William F. Peck (1895) > Part III, p. 118 > Perkins, Asa F., is a son of Asa, sr., now deceased, who was prior to 1827 > a spinner in a woolen mill at Smithfield, Mass., where he married Martha > Erten, who was also an operative in the mills. In 1827 they started on what > was in those times a long journey, by wagon, to Troy, N. Y., where they took > canal passage. They settled first in Penfield, and four years later removed > to Perinton by ox team. Their happy married life covered a period of > sixty-nine years, broken by the death of Mr. Perkins in 1892, at the age of > ninety-two. Mrs. Perkins survives him, at the age of eighty-eight, a > remarkable instance of mental and physical preservation. Asa F. was born in > Penfield March 6,1831, and his home is just north of the village of > Fairport. The children of Asa and Martha Perkins are Asa F., Samuel F., Jane > E., Mary M., Olive C., Martha A., and Sarah Elizabeth. > > Still no Simon. > > > On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Arlene Reeves <arkretired@hotmail.com>wrote: > >> >> Fairport NY Monroe County Mail 1914 - 1916 Grayscale - 1131.pdf >> The Monroe County Mail >> Asa F. Perkins. >> Asa F. Perkins, a life-long resident of this section, died Friday night at >> his home, No. 23, Perin Street, aged eighty-five-years. >> Mr. Perkins was born March 6; 1831, in the southeastern part of the town >> of Penfield, his parents being the late Aea and Martha Perkins. - When he >> was but four years of age, his family moved to the farm east of Fairport now >> owned; by Charles Bendschneider, where deceased resided a greater part of >> his life. >> Mr. Perkins was twice married, his first wife being Miss Lucinda F. Davis >> of Walworth. Their marriage occurred in that place, March 6, 1855. She died >> in April 1879. On August >> 5, 1903, he was again married, his second wife being Miss Martha Hill of >> Medina, who survives. >> Besides the wife; deceased leaves one daughter, Mrs. Addie VanNorman of >> Wolcott, two sisters, Mrs. Olive VanLeeren of Fairport, and Mrs. Martha >> .Witter of Cortland, and one brother, Samuel F..Perkins of Batavia, also >> several nieces,: ephews and grandchildren. >> Funeral services were held at the Raymond Baptist church, Monday afternoon >> at 2:30 o'olook. Rev. H. R. SaunderB officiating. Interment was at Elmwood >> cemetery, northeast of this village. >> >> >> >> Fairport NY Monroe County Mail 1944 - 1945 Grayscale - 0488.pdf >> Fairport Harold - Mail >> FAIRPORT, N. Y., FEBRUARY 15, 1945 >> Arthur Van Norman-Former-Resident Dies in Ohio >> News has reached Fairport of the death Feb. 1, 1945 in Bellville, Ohio, of >> Arthur Van Norman, a former resident here. He was a son of the late John and >> Carrie Van Norman. >> He leaves his wife; a daughter, Elta Van Norman of Geneseo; a son, Rev. >> Lacy Van Norman of Sodus; a grandson, David; and a sister, Mrs. Myrtle Locke >> of Cleveland, Ohio. Burial was in Bellville, Ohio. >> >> Fairport NY Monroe County Mail 1930 - 1931 Grayscale - 1139.pdf >> Fairport Harold - Mail >> FAIRPORT,-N. Y., THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 12, 1931 >> Webster Man Crowded From Road to Death >> Webster, Nov. 10 — Alexander Van Norman; aged 24 years, died suddenly >> Saturday, Nov: 7. He is survived by his mother, Mrs. Edith VanNorman; >> one-sister Mae VanNorman of Webster; one brother, Raymond VanNorman of New >> York city. Funeral services were held from the home on the Phillips road >> Tuesday afternoon at 2:30; burial in Webster Rural cemetery. >> Mr. VanNorman was killed in an automobile accident at Ontario on Saturday, >> when the car in which he was riding with three companions was forced off the >> road. The other occupants of the car escaped with bruises. Mr. VanNorman was >> a nephew of Roy VanNorman of Fairport. >> >> >> >> Elmwood Cemetery, Carter Road >> Van Norman: Addie E. (Perkins), 1862-1934; Georgia daughter of Arthur and >> Addie, Feb. 21, age 1 month >> >> >> >> > From: arkretired@hotmail.com >> > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com >> > Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 10:03:00 -0400 >> > Subject: [VANNORMAN] Arthur Van Norman of Fairport, NY - interesting >> article >> > >> > >> > I believe this is the son of John J and Carrie Stevenson VanNorman - I >> found info on their 50th wedding anniversary. >> > >> > >> > >> > Fairport NY Monroe County Mail 1899 - 1901 Grayscale - 0278.pdf >> > The Monroe County Mail, Thursday, August 31 1899 >> > Local News (Fairport) >> > Arthur VanNorman of this place, has in his possession a very interesting >> legal document in the form of a warranty deed given by King Charles VI of >> Holland to Sergeant Begley and Simon Perkins, the latter an ancestor of Mr. >> Van- Norman's. The Indenture was in made on June l, 1818, and records the >> transfer of 25 acres of land situated in the town of Henrietta, the sum paid >> the attornies of the king for this property being $114.30. The document, >> which was given to Mr. VanNorman by his grandmother, has been preserved in >> remarkably good condition, not even the ink of the signatures having faded >> to any great degree. >> > >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. 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This is what I have for the grandmothers: Esther Corbin Stephenson b 12 Jan 1808 Woodstock, CT- 26 Jun 1898, or Marian [Unknown Surname] VanNorman b 1805 Washington Co., NY. I found a Simon Perkins in Rush, Ontario, NY in 1820; some Corbins nearby. IGI has Esther Corbin (dau of Wm and Mercy) marrying Henry Stevenson (b about 1805 Henrietta, Monroe, NY) about 1840 in Henrietta, NY. Dau Carrie Eliza b 24 Jul 1845 Pittsford, Monroe, NY who m John Van Norman 5 Feb 1865 Pittsford, Monroe, NY. No parents listed for John Van Norman. On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Arlene Reeves <arkretired@hotmail.com>wrote: > > I believe this is the son of John J and Carrie Stevenson VanNorman - I > found info on their 50th wedding anniversary. > > > > Fairport NY Monroe County Mail 1899 - 1901 Grayscale - 0278.pdf > The Monroe County Mail, Thursday, August 31 1899 > Local News (Fairport) > Arthur VanNorman of this place, has in his possession a very interesting > legal document in the form of a warranty deed given by King Charles VI of > Holland to Sergeant Begley and Simon Perkins, the latter an ancestor of Mr. > Van- Norman's. The Indenture was in made on June l, 1818, and records the > transfer of 25 acres of land situated in the town of Henrietta, the sum paid > the attornies of the king for this property being $114.30. The document, > which was given to Mr. VanNorman by his grandmother, has been preserved in > remarkably good condition, not even the ink of the signatures having faded > to any great degree. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your > inbox. > > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Fairport NY Monroe County Mail 1914 - 1916 Grayscale - 1131.pdf The Monroe County Mail Asa F. Perkins. Asa F. Perkins, a life-long resident of this section, died Friday night at his home, No. 23, Perin Street, aged eighty-five-years. Mr. Perkins was born March 6; 1831, in the southeastern part of the town of Penfield, his parents being the late Aea and Martha Perkins. - When he was but four years of age, his family moved to the farm east of Fairport now owned; by Charles Bendschneider, where deceased resided a greater part of his life. Mr. Perkins was twice married, his first wife being Miss Lucinda F. Davis of Walworth. Their marriage occurred in that place, March 6, 1855. She died in April 1879. On August 5, 1903, he was again married, his second wife being Miss Martha Hill of Medina, who survives. Besides the wife; deceased leaves one daughter, Mrs. Addie VanNorman of Wolcott, two sisters, Mrs. Olive VanLeeren of Fairport, and Mrs. Martha .Witter of Cortland, and one brother, Samuel F..Perkins of Batavia, also several nieces,: ephews and grandchildren. Funeral services were held at the Raymond Baptist church, Monday afternoon at 2:30 o'olook. Rev. H. R. SaunderB officiating. Interment was at Elmwood cemetery, northeast of this village. Fairport NY Monroe County Mail 1944 - 1945 Grayscale - 0488.pdf Fairport Harold - Mail FAIRPORT, N. Y., FEBRUARY 15, 1945 Arthur Van Norman-Former-Resident Dies in Ohio News has reached Fairport of the death Feb. 1, 1945 in Bellville, Ohio, of Arthur Van Norman, a former resident here. He was a son of the late John and Carrie Van Norman. He leaves his wife; a daughter, Elta Van Norman of Geneseo; a son, Rev. Lacy Van Norman of Sodus; a grandson, David; and a sister, Mrs. Myrtle Locke of Cleveland, Ohio. Burial was in Bellville, Ohio. Fairport NY Monroe County Mail 1930 - 1931 Grayscale - 1139.pdf Fairport Harold - Mail FAIRPORT,-N. Y., THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 12, 1931 Webster Man Crowded From Road to Death Webster, Nov. 10 — Alexander Van Norman; aged 24 years, died suddenly Saturday, Nov: 7. He is survived by his mother, Mrs. Edith VanNorman; one-sister Mae VanNorman of Webster; one brother, Raymond VanNorman of New York city. Funeral services were held from the home on the Phillips road Tuesday afternoon at 2:30; burial in Webster Rural cemetery. Mr. VanNorman was killed in an automobile accident at Ontario on Saturday, when the car in which he was riding with three companions was forced off the road. The other occupants of the car escaped with bruises. Mr. VanNorman was a nephew of Roy VanNorman of Fairport. Elmwood Cemetery, Carter Road Van Norman: Addie E. (Perkins), 1862-1934; Georgia daughter of Arthur and Addie, Feb. 21, age 1 month > From: arkretired@hotmail.com > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 10:03:00 -0400 > Subject: [VANNORMAN] Arthur Van Norman of Fairport, NY - interesting article > > > I believe this is the son of John J and Carrie Stevenson VanNorman - I found info on their 50th wedding anniversary. > > > > Fairport NY Monroe County Mail 1899 - 1901 Grayscale - 0278.pdf > The Monroe County Mail, Thursday, August 31 1899 > Local News (Fairport) > Arthur VanNorman of this place, has in his possession a very interesting legal document in the form of a warranty deed given by King Charles VI of Holland to Sergeant Begley and Simon Perkins, the latter an ancestor of Mr. Van- Norman's. The Indenture was in made on June l, 1818, and records the transfer of 25 acres of land situated in the town of Henrietta, the sum paid the attornies of the king for this property being $114.30. The document, which was given to Mr. VanNorman by his grandmother, has been preserved in remarkably good condition, not even the ink of the signatures having faded to any great degree. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3

I believe this is the son of John J and Carrie Stevenson VanNorman - I found info on their 50th wedding anniversary. Fairport NY Monroe County Mail 1899 - 1901 Grayscale - 0278.pdf The Monroe County Mail, Thursday, August 31 1899 Local News (Fairport) Arthur VanNorman of this place, has in his possession a very interesting legal document in the form of a warranty deed given by King Charles VI of Holland to Sergeant Begley and Simon Perkins, the latter an ancestor of Mr. Van- Norman's. The Indenture was in made on June l, 1818, and records the transfer of 25 acres of land situated in the town of Henrietta, the sum paid the attornies of the king for this property being $114.30. The document, which was given to Mr. VanNorman by his grandmother, has been preserved in remarkably good condition, not even the ink of the signatures having faded to any great degree. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2

Hi Everyone! Just a reminder that the promotion for the Y-DNA is just available for a few more days, until the 25th of June 2010. We have been using the Y-DNA37 kit for our project which is now $119 - reg. $149. You can see our Van Norman Project's current results at www.FamilyTreeDNA.com - type Van Norman into the search engine and follow the links..... or go directly to the results with www.familytreedna.com/public/vannorman . As mentioned before, any participant must be a male bearing the Van Norman surname (any variation) as the Y-DNA is passed solely from father to son - making it ideal for Surname based projects such as ours. Any Female researcher must get a male Van Norman (etc.) relative to "sub" in for them - i.e. father, brother, uncle, cousin, etc.... If you do not know which line of the Van Norman (etc.) family you connect back to (i.e. Jans Dirks & Sarah Theunis; Joseph Van Norman & Elizabeth Wybern; Josiah Van Norman & Mary __?__; etc.] this is one way to get a jump on matters if you can't locate a paper trail. For those who have determined where they fit into a family tree, it is an opportunity to confirm your research, and to assist us to build up our database of family members for each line. We have been quite successful with the early stages of our project, determining that there was simply not one sole Van Norman ancestor for everyone, but likely several different progenitors bearing the same or a similar Surname. Maybe you will be able to use the Van Norman Y-DNA project to put a crack in your "brick wall"! Thank you, Stephen Wood Feel free to contact me with any questions you may have: stephe.w300@gmail.com [Disclaimer: I have no connection to the FamilyTreeDNA company except as being one of the Van Norman Co-ordinators.]

Hi! Just wanted to let you all know that www.footnote.com has it's U.S. Civil War Papers available at no charge for the month of June. (You will probably have to register, but that is all...) I've briefly touched on it - for instance, "Van Norman" entered into the search engine gets you over 60 hits in this category, but I can't do much with my dial-up connection.... Here's a couple of examples from my brief search: S. T. Van Norman; Pvt. Co. C. 7th Reg't., Mississippi Vol. appears on the Co. Muster Payroll Aug. 15th - Sept. 27th 1861 Enlisted 29 April 186[blank] Liberty by Col. Posey for 12 months S. T. Van Norman; Pvt. Co. C. 7th Miss. Appears on a roll of non-commissioned officers and privates employed on extra duty at Chattanooga, Tenn. during month of Aug. 1863. Nature of Service: Harness Maker Term of Service: Aug. 1 - Aug. 31. Remarks: 4 Sundays did not work This would be Samuel T. Van Norman (1837 - 1895), son of Hiram & Elizabeth S. (Walden) Van Norman. [Joseph Van Norman & Elizabeth Wybern descendant] The search engine can be kind of finicky - I always have to back-arrow to make sure I stay inside the correct category, as sometimes it tries to search the entire website..... Have fun! Stephen

Hi everyone! Just a quick note to let everyone know that FamilyTreeDNA has a special on their Y-DNA kits again, just in time for father's day! Y-DNA37 for $119 (Regular price $149) Y-DNA67 for $199 (Regular price $239) Y-DNA37+mtDNA for $159 (Combined test reg. $238) The promotion started June 5 and will end June 25. Kits need to be paid for by June 30, 2010. You can see our Van Norman Project's current results at http://www.FamilyTreeDNA.com - type Van Norman into the search engine, and follow the links.... [or go directly to the results with www.familytreedna.com/public/vannorman ] As you can see, the majority of our participants have used the Y-DNA37 kit, which gives us sufficient points for comparison in most cases. Any participant must be a male bearing the Van Norman surname (any variation) as the Y-DNA is passed solely from father to son - making it ideal for Surname based projects such as ours. Female researchers must get a male Van Norman (etc.) relative to "sub" in for them - father, brother, uncle, cousin, etc.... If you do not know which line of the Van Norman (etc.) family you connect back to [i.e. Jans Dirks & Sarah Theunis; Joseph Van Norman & Elizabeth Wybern; Josiah Van Norman & Mary __?__; etc.] this is one way to get a jump on matters if you can't locate a paper trail. For those who have determined where they fit into a family tree, it is an opportunity to confirm your research, and to assist us to build up our database of family members for each line. We have been quite successful with the early stages of our project, determining that there was not one sole Van Norman ancestor for everyone, but likely several different progenitors bearing the same or a similar Surname. We still require additional participants who can trace their line back into the 1700's or so in New Jersey and more people who can do the same in New York - especially one who can connect back to Jans Dirks & Sarah Theunis..... Other early Pennsylvania Van Normans would be useful as well, particularly if you can trace back to the Samuel or Isaac lines, as we have a mystery to solve there. Of course, all "brickwall" ancestors are welcome too! Since there is a small chance that a DNA sample won't match up to anything in our database, due to adoption, infidelity, illegitimacy, etc., anyone who would be greatly upset by not having a match to a known line is cautioned about taking the test. If there is anyone who wishes to sponsor a test because they don't have a relative to "borrow" or someone who is willing to participate, but can't afford the expense at this time, etc., please contact me directly and I will get a list going. Please consider the Van Norman Y-DNA project as being a part of our common quest to sort out the numerous Van Norman lines by breaking down their brick walls. Thanks, Stephen Wood Feel free to contact me with any questions you may have. stephe.w300@gmail.com [Disclaimer: I have no connection to the FamilyTreeDNA company except as being one of the Van Norman Project Co-ordinators.]

James Riley Vanorman is the 3rd son of John Trusdale Van Norman. It appears he is a decendent of Zebulon Mack as he is named in a deed selling Zebulon's land in Ontario county NY in 1841, although I do not know his mother's name. He was born around 1820 in Canandaigua. Marriages and Deaths from Ontario County Messenger Published Canandaigua - Ontario County - NY: 14 September 1842. MARRIED - In this village on the 6th inst., by Elder Raines, James Riley Van Caman of Wisconsin to Miss Elizabeth Arabella Adams, of this place. Thank you so much for this site. I used the "standard" search tab for "Land Patents", changed to all states, typed in Van Orman and got 2 pages of responses including Van Orman and VanNorman . Typing in Vanorman and Van Norman give more results. I also was able to download the images to my pc. Arlene PS. A short time ago someone had land info and was trying to figure out where it was- I can't seem to find the e-mail. This site may help. > From: lindanoggle@verizon.net > Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 20:09:32 -0400 > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: [VANNORMAN] Land Patent searches > > Hi all, > > I just found a great site which lets me print out some land records. > www.glorecords.blm.gov - then search land patents > I have not had any trouble printing out the patents. > > I have an 1844 patent for James Riley Vanorman of Jefferson County, Wisconsin territory > > whose line is this? > > Linda Noggle > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2

Hi all, I just found a great site which lets me print out some land records. www.glorecords.blm.gov - then search land patents I have not had any trouble printing out the patents. I have an 1844 patent for James Riley Vanorman of Jefferson County, Wisconsin territory whose line is this? Linda Noggle

I agree. This guy's approximate birthdate is about right to be a son of John of Chazy and the supposed birth is about right if John was still in Vermont in 1800 as I believe he was. I believe John of Chazy was the son of Isaac (1704)'s son John but it's all just a guess since most of the records for the relevant period and places are believed destroyed. I don't recall the pedigree for John of Chazy's wife, Tamar Dewey. It might be worth comparing this Henry's family names against those in Tamar's line in case there's a semi-smoking gun. --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurie Cigan" <lcigan@yahoo.com> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Vernornam >I have a Henry Van Arman b. ca. 1803 in Vermont. In the 1840 census he is >living in Chazy. In 1850, 1860, 1870 he is living in Ellenburg, very close >to Chazy. In 1850 his wife is listed as Marsha, in 1860 as Nancy, and in >1870 as Mertia. His sons James and Horace died young and are buried in >Ellenburg and the headstone reads "sons of Henry and Martia Van Aranam". I >have never found Henry and Martia's graves. The date doesn't match with >Martia still being alive in 1870, could it be another wife who died >earlier? Or does the "M" in "Louisa M" stand for Martia and he married a >Nancy later (from the 1860 census)? But then Martia shows up again in 1870. >It's just too confusing, but a great find! > > I suspect this Henry is a brother to lawyer John Van Arman (one of the 14 > children mentioned in his bio) and probably descends through Isaac but I > cannot prove it (yet!) > > Laurie Cigan > > --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Linda Schwenn <schwel@comcast.net> wrote: > > From: Linda Schwenn <schwel@comcast.net> > Subject: [VANNORMAN] Vernornam > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 10:45 AM > > Anybody have a guess who this Henry is? Several times I have seen this > spelling (starts Ver... instead of Van...) as an early variation of the > Vanornam name in upstate New York and Vermont. > > Chazy Landing Cemetery (also known as Saxes Landing Cemetery), Chazy, > Clinton County, New York > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~frgen/clinton/chazy/Chazy_Landing.htm > VERNORNAM Louisa M. / Wife of / Henry VERNORNAM / Died July 8, 1851, / AE. > 22 Y's. / > > > Possible relationships (First one looks like a fit with William G. > Vanornam > and his wife Marcia/Maria Philips. Second one is, I think, son of Isaac > and > Julia Jenner): > > Home in 1850 Chazy, Clinton, New York > > Family Number: 1291 > > Wm Vernormum 25 Canada, wheelwright > > Maria Vernormum 23 Canada > > Wm Vernormum 3 VT > > Harvey Vernormum 1 VT > > Home in 1850: Parishville, Saint Lawrence, New York > > Household Members: Name Age --all b NY > > Rachael Jenner 61 > > Samuel Jenner 33 > > James Jenner 25 > > Maria Jenner 23 > > Isaac Vernorman 8 > Linda > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Anybody have a guess who this Henry is? Several times I have seen this spelling (starts Ver... instead of Van...) as an early variation of the Vanornam name in upstate New York and Vermont. Chazy Landing Cemetery (also known as Saxes Landing Cemetery), Chazy, Clinton County, New York http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~frgen/clinton/chazy/Chazy_Landing.htm VERNORNAM Louisa M. / Wife of / Henry VERNORNAM / Died July 8, 1851, / AE. 22 Y's. / Possible relationships (First one looks like a fit with William G. Vanornam and his wife Marcia/Maria Philips. Second one is, I think, son of Isaac and Julia Jenner): Home in 1850 Chazy, Clinton, New York Family Number: 1291 Wm Vernormum 25 Canada, wheelwright Maria Vernormum 23 Canada Wm Vernormum 3 VT Harvey Vernormum 1 VT Home in 1850: Parishville, Saint Lawrence, New York Household Members: Name Age --all b NY Rachael Jenner 61 Samuel Jenner 33 James Jenner 25 Maria Jenner 23 Isaac Vernorman 8 Linda

I have a Henry Van Arman b. ca. 1803 in Vermont. In the 1840 census he is living in Chazy. In 1850, 1860, 1870 he is living in Ellenburg, very close to Chazy. In 1850 his wife is listed as Marsha, in 1860 as Nancy, and in 1870 as Mertia. His sons James and Horace died young and are buried in Ellenburg and the headstone reads "sons of Henry and Martia Van Aranam". I have never found Henry and Martia's graves. The date doesn't match with Martia still being alive in 1870, could it be another wife who died earlier? Or does the "M" in "Louisa M" stand for Martia and he married a Nancy later (from the 1860 census)? But then Martia shows up again in 1870. It's just too confusing, but a great find! I suspect this Henry is a brother to lawyer John Van Arman (one of the 14 children mentioned in his bio) and probably descends through Isaac but I cannot prove it (yet!) Laurie Cigan --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Linda Schwenn <schwel@comcast.net> wrote: From: Linda Schwenn <schwel@comcast.net> Subject: [VANNORMAN] Vernornam To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 10:45 AM Anybody have a guess who this Henry is? Several times I have seen this spelling (starts Ver... instead of Van...) as an early variation of the Vanornam name in upstate New York and Vermont. Chazy Landing Cemetery (also known as Saxes Landing Cemetery), Chazy, Clinton County, New York http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~frgen/clinton/chazy/Chazy_Landing.htm VERNORNAM Louisa M. / Wife of / Henry VERNORNAM / Died July 8, 1851, / AE. 22 Y's. / Possible relationships (First one looks like a fit with William G. Vanornam and his wife Marcia/Maria Philips. Second one is, I think, son of Isaac and Julia Jenner): Home in 1850 Chazy, Clinton, New York Family Number: 1291 Wm Vernormum 25 Canada, wheelwright Maria Vernormum 23 Canada Wm Vernormum 3 VT Harvey Vernormum 1 VT Home in 1850: Parishville, Saint Lawrence, New York Household Members: Name Age --all b NY Rachael Jenner 61 Samuel Jenner 33 James Jenner 25 Maria Jenner 23 Isaac Vernorman 8 Linda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Beth I too would very much like to see the transcription and to know from whence it was transcribed. It may be a report of the "love feast" celebrating the 61st wedding anniversary of Abraham Van Norman and Charity Cummins at the farm of their daughter, Hannah Everitt Van Norman, and their son-in-law, Johnson Van Norman (two cousins who married) near Tillsonburg, Dereham Township, Oxford County, Ontario. Cheers Ray W. Raymond Cummins, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada. -----Original Message----- From: vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Beth Tadeson Sent: May 11, 2010 11:01 AM To: VANNORMAN@rootsweb.com Subject: [VANNORMAN] Abram & Charity (Cummins) VN My dad recently gave me a transcription of the events of a party which took place on July 28, 1874 in Tillsonburg, ON. Here is a copy. Enjoy! -- Beth Tadeson, BSc, MSc, MYCC Grimsby, ON www.myc.com/teacher/btadeson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message