Family Finder DNA tests don't list exact connections. My Family Tree account is 67031. I had an mtDNA test done first to no avail. Then I decided to try the Family Finder which says it can match you from 1st to 5th cousins. The read-out results are over 2,000 pages long with lots of numbers and letters... next to impossible for me to decipher them. Trouble is that the tests don't tell you HOW you relate to these people and where exactly you match. It does tells you what percentage of DNA you share. So far I only have 2 - 3rd cousins and we can't even figure out where the match is there. There are 12 - 4th cousins and 32 - 5th cousins. If a surname doesn't jump out at you there is a great deal of unanswered questions among all these people. Since my BARKER line is also from the UK via NY I match many other New England families as well. Family Tree DNA leaves it up to you to decide how and where you connect to these supposed matches. If someone hasn't carried their research out to their 64-6th great grandparents completely it could take a while to figure it all out. (I haven't gotten that far myself) Most of these 5th cousin matches haven't gotten beyond their 2nd great grandparents. My haplo group is HV. All that tells me is what nationality I'm not. But its still fun to try and figure it all out. Leslie Barker Thomas On Sep 6, 2010, at 8:50 PM, Susan Claggett wrote: Hi Leslie: I am glad that you were able to have a family DNA test done. Was it a Y test from a male relative thru the VanNorman project? Did your line match the Pennsylvania - Joseph Van Norman & Elizabeth Wybern line R1b1b2 or the early NY line R1A? My brother's test is 169963 which is the Early NY Ancestry of R1a. We are getting closer IMO to finding our answers. Susan -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Thomas [mailto:aeriehollow@ellijay.com] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 6:12 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: [VANNORMAN] Isaac VanNorman Pennsylvania b. 1794 Always glad to see the volume of activity on this list. I've been searching in depth using the Google Books site for information on my Isaac VanNorman b. 1794 in PA and died 22 Dec 1878 in MN. I've gone so far as to have the family finder DNA tests done and found dozens of cousins but have no idea how most are related. One recently came about that intrigues me in that this person has the surnames Janzen, Klassen, Loewen and Doerksen in their genealogy. I believe I had seen some of these names on this list indicate that these families married into VN lines. I have yet to find Harriet's, wife of my Isaac, maiden name. I have determined their children (forgive my repeating this information): Charles R. VN 1837-1918 m. Jane (or Nancy Jane) no further info on this couple, anyone have him in their tree? Mary Harriett 1838-1910 m. 1st Thomas Torrey, 2nd Duane Philes George W. 1840-1862 died during the CW at Antietam Theodore S. 1843-1865 died after the CW from illness contracted during the CW. James Melville 1845-1919 m. Susannah Rice Daniel E. 1848 m. Elmira Ferris (Harriet is listed in their home on the 1885 Territorial MN State Census) Sylvia Adelia or Adelia Sylvia 1849 m. Charles L. Orcutt (he lived to file a pension app in 1893 from the CW) their children are found on the 1880 census for MN living with grandmother Harriet... but no information is found as to why or where they are after that. Ella E. 1854-1918 (my great grandmother) m. Morris Barker Elmer J. 1858-1870 died of typhoid fever In checking the books I found five Pennsylvania VNs listed as soldiers in Captain Benj. Schonovers Co. 5th Bat. of North Hampton Co. in 1782. Anyone know what the abbreviations mean before their names: 5ts William VN 3ts Isaac VN 8th Joseph VN 1741-1824 (b. Pa, d. Oh.) 1st Class Ephraim VN 7th Class Samuel VN Anyone have any of these men in their trees? I'm assuming most of these men are related somehow. Further listing states that Isaac VN of NY re'cd a Rev. War bounty land grant in PA July 8, 1790. Could this be Isaac VN b. 1794 father? Leslie Barker Thomas Fear less; hope more. Eat less; chew more. Talk less; say more. Hate less; love more, and all good thing will be yours. - Swedish Proverb - ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Janzen, Klassen, Loewen and Doerksen could fit with the NYC and Albany Van Arnams. Jansz and Dircksen particularly were surnames some of the children of Jan Dircks and Sara Theunis used before everybody seemed to settle on Van Arnam around 1700. Klassen and Loewen don't sound exactly right but they sound a little like a couple of ancilliary families. Depends on the date. Please feel free to have whoever this is contact me directly. --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Thomas" <aeriehollow@ellijay.com> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 6:11 PM Subject: [VANNORMAN] Isaac VanNorman Pennsylvania b. 1794 > Always glad to see the volume of activity on this list. > > I've been searching in depth using the Google Books site for > information on my Isaac VanNorman b. 1794 in PA and died 22 Dec 1878 > in MN. I've gone so far as to have the family finder DNA tests done > and found dozens of cousins but have no idea how most are related. > One recently came about that intrigues me in that this person has the > surnames Janzen, Klassen, Loewen and Doerksen in their genealogy. I > believe I had seen some of these names on this list indicate that > these families married into VN lines. > > I have yet to find Harriet's, wife of my Isaac, maiden name. > > I have determined their children (forgive my repeating this > information): > > Charles R. VN 1837-1918 m. Jane (or Nancy Jane) no further info on > this couple, anyone have him in their tree? > Mary Harriett 1838-1910 m. 1st Thomas Torrey, 2nd Duane Philes > George W. 1840-1862 died during the CW at Antietam > Theodore S. 1843-1865 died after the CW from illness contracted > during the CW. > James Melville 1845-1919 m. Susannah Rice > Daniel E. 1848 m. Elmira Ferris (Harriet is listed in their home on > the 1885 Territorial MN State Census) > Sylvia Adelia or Adelia Sylvia 1849 m. Charles L. Orcutt (he lived > to file a pension app in 1893 from the CW) their children are found > on the 1880 census for MN living with grandmother Harriet... but no > information is found as to why or where they are after that. > Ella E. 1854-1918 (my great grandmother) m. Morris Barker > Elmer J. 1858-1870 died of typhoid fever > > In checking the books I found five Pennsylvania VNs listed as > soldiers in Captain Benj. Schonovers Co. 5th Bat. of North Hampton > Co. in 1782. > Anyone know what the abbreviations mean before their names: > 5ts William VN > 3ts Isaac VN > 8th Joseph VN 1741-1824 (b. Pa, d. Oh.) > 1st Class Ephraim VN > 7th Class Samuel VN > Anyone have any of these men in their trees? I'm assuming most of > these men are related somehow. > > Further listing states that Isaac VN of NY re'cd a Rev. War bounty > land grant in PA July 8, 1790. Could this be Isaac VN b. 1794 father? > > Leslie Barker Thomas > Fear less; hope more. Eat less; chew more. Talk less; say more. Hate > less; love more, and all good thing will be yours. > - Swedish Proverb - > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm interested in the list of soldiers below: specificly the reference to Joseph b.PA d. OH as my Joseph died in Canandaigua NY. Where did this list come from? Arlene "In checking the books I found five Pennsylvania VNs listed as > > soldiers in Captain Benj. Schonovers Co. 5th Bat. of North Hampton > > Co. in 1782. > > Anyone know what the abbreviations mean before their names: > > 5ts William VN > > 3ts Isaac VN > > 8th Joseph VN 1741-1824 (b. Pa, d. Oh.)" > From: lindanoggle@verizon.net > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 01:50:56 -0400 > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Isaac VanNorman Pennsylvania b. 1794 > > Hi Leslie, > > I am working on the Samuel Van Norman line - who is mentioned below - actually his father is an Isaac Van Norman also. My Samuel Van Norman was listed in the 1790 Northampton Co., PA census and lived there until he died in 1847. He was born in 1762. He could possibly be your Isaac's father. I have not accounted for all his children as of yet. I had thought that Joseph Van Norman line of Smithfield and my line where connected - but have not made the connection. > I have the same list of soldiers - don't know what the designations mean. I wrote to the PA State Archives and got the record for Samuel Van Norman - not much of a record he was with the 2nd Company, 5th Battalion in 1782 and 5th Company, 5th Battalion, 1784. They sent the payment records from 1838 until 1847 when he died. He received $20 every 6 months. Sometimes they sent only one check a year for $40. I was hoping to get pension application papers - their were none. > > I believe that the Ephraim and Isaac listed are the sons of Joseph that is listed. > I also think Samuel and William may be brothers. The Isaac that is listed could also be the father of Samuel and William. > > Did you say you had someone do the DNA testing for the Vanormans? > > Linda N > > On Sep 6, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Leslie Thomas wrote: > > > Always glad to see the volume of activity on this list. > > > > I've been searching in depth using the Google Books site for > > information on my Isaac VanNorman b. 1794 in PA and died 22 Dec 1878 > > in MN. I've gone so far as to have the family finder DNA tests done > > and found dozens of cousins but have no idea how most are related. > > One recently came about that intrigues me in that this person has the > > surnames Janzen, Klassen, Loewen and Doerksen in their genealogy. I > > believe I had seen some of these names on this list indicate that > > these families married into VN lines. > > > > I have yet to find Harriet's, wife of my Isaac, maiden name. > > > > I have determined their children (forgive my repeating this > > information): > > > > Charles R. VN 1837-1918 m. Jane (or Nancy Jane) no further info on > > this couple, anyone have him in their tree? > > Mary Harriett 1838-1910 m. 1st Thomas Torrey, 2nd Duane Philes > > George W. 1840-1862 died during the CW at Antietam > > Theodore S. 1843-1865 died after the CW from illness contracted > > during the CW. > > James Melville 1845-1919 m. Susannah Rice > > Daniel E. 1848 m. Elmira Ferris (Harriet is listed in their home on > > the 1885 Territorial MN State Census) > > Sylvia Adelia or Adelia Sylvia 1849 m. Charles L. Orcutt (he lived > > to file a pension app in 1893 from the CW) their children are found > > on the 1880 census for MN living with grandmother Harriet... but no > > information is found as to why or where they are after that. > > Ella E. 1854-1918 (my great grandmother) m. Morris Barker > > Elmer J. 1858-1870 died of typhoid fever > > > > In checking the books I found five Pennsylvania VNs listed as > > soldiers in Captain Benj. Schonovers Co. 5th Bat. of North Hampton > > Co. in 1782. > > Anyone know what the abbreviations mean before their names: > > 5ts William VN > > 3ts Isaac VN > > 8th Joseph VN 1741-1824 (b. Pa, d. Oh.) > > 1st Class Ephraim VN > > 7th Class Samuel VN > > Anyone have any of these men in their trees? I'm assuming most of > > these men are related somehow. > > > > Further listing states that Isaac VN of NY re'cd a Rev. War bounty > > land grant in PA July 8, 1790. Could this be Isaac VN b. 1794 father? > > > > Leslie Barker Thomas > > Fear less; hope more. Eat less; chew more. Talk less; say more. Hate > > less; love more, and all good thing will be yours. > > - Swedish Proverb - > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Leslie, I am working on the Samuel Van Norman line - who is mentioned below - actually his father is an Isaac Van Norman also. My Samuel Van Norman was listed in the 1790 Northampton Co., PA census and lived there until he died in 1847. He was born in 1762. He could possibly be your Isaac's father. I have not accounted for all his children as of yet. I had thought that Joseph Van Norman line of Smithfield and my line where connected - but have not made the connection. I have the same list of soldiers - don't know what the designations mean. I wrote to the PA State Archives and got the record for Samuel Van Norman - not much of a record he was with the 2nd Company, 5th Battalion in 1782 and 5th Company, 5th Battalion, 1784. They sent the payment records from 1838 until 1847 when he died. He received $20 every 6 months. Sometimes they sent only one check a year for $40. I was hoping to get pension application papers - their were none. I believe that the Ephraim and Isaac listed are the sons of Joseph that is listed. I also think Samuel and William may be brothers. The Isaac that is listed could also be the father of Samuel and William. Did you say you had someone do the DNA testing for the Vanormans? Linda N On Sep 6, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Leslie Thomas wrote: > Always glad to see the volume of activity on this list. > > I've been searching in depth using the Google Books site for > information on my Isaac VanNorman b. 1794 in PA and died 22 Dec 1878 > in MN. I've gone so far as to have the family finder DNA tests done > and found dozens of cousins but have no idea how most are related. > One recently came about that intrigues me in that this person has the > surnames Janzen, Klassen, Loewen and Doerksen in their genealogy. I > believe I had seen some of these names on this list indicate that > these families married into VN lines. > > I have yet to find Harriet's, wife of my Isaac, maiden name. > > I have determined their children (forgive my repeating this > information): > > Charles R. VN 1837-1918 m. Jane (or Nancy Jane) no further info on > this couple, anyone have him in their tree? > Mary Harriett 1838-1910 m. 1st Thomas Torrey, 2nd Duane Philes > George W. 1840-1862 died during the CW at Antietam > Theodore S. 1843-1865 died after the CW from illness contracted > during the CW. > James Melville 1845-1919 m. Susannah Rice > Daniel E. 1848 m. Elmira Ferris (Harriet is listed in their home on > the 1885 Territorial MN State Census) > Sylvia Adelia or Adelia Sylvia 1849 m. Charles L. Orcutt (he lived > to file a pension app in 1893 from the CW) their children are found > on the 1880 census for MN living with grandmother Harriet... but no > information is found as to why or where they are after that. > Ella E. 1854-1918 (my great grandmother) m. Morris Barker > Elmer J. 1858-1870 died of typhoid fever > > In checking the books I found five Pennsylvania VNs listed as > soldiers in Captain Benj. Schonovers Co. 5th Bat. of North Hampton > Co. in 1782. > Anyone know what the abbreviations mean before their names: > 5ts William VN > 3ts Isaac VN > 8th Joseph VN 1741-1824 (b. Pa, d. Oh.) > 1st Class Ephraim VN > 7th Class Samuel VN > Anyone have any of these men in their trees? I'm assuming most of > these men are related somehow. > > Further listing states that Isaac VN of NY re'cd a Rev. War bounty > land grant in PA July 8, 1790. Could this be Isaac VN b. 1794 father? > > Leslie Barker Thomas > Fear less; hope more. Eat less; chew more. Talk less; say more. Hate > less; love more, and all good thing will be yours. > - Swedish Proverb - > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Found the following on the Mormom Church site under their pilot program search for Wisconsin and Vannormans. Harrison Vanorman born 1833 New York - died 11/19/1897 in Ashland, Ashland, Wisconsin - wife was Jane - mail carrier parents H. & May Vanorman Lachens Vanorman born NY married 4/17/1864 Elizabeth Rowe Fayette, Lafayette, Wisconsin parents Henry and Maria Vanorman Linda Noggle

Hi Leslie: I am glad that you were able to have a family DNA test done. Was it a Y test from a male relative thru the VanNorman project? Did your line match the Pennsylvania - Joseph Van Norman & Elizabeth Wybern line R1b1b2 or the early NY line R1A? My brother's test is 169963 which is the Early NY Ancestry of R1a. We are getting closer IMO to finding our answers. Susan -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Thomas [mailto:aeriehollow@ellijay.com] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 6:12 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: [VANNORMAN] Isaac VanNorman Pennsylvania b. 1794 Always glad to see the volume of activity on this list. I've been searching in depth using the Google Books site for information on my Isaac VanNorman b. 1794 in PA and died 22 Dec 1878 in MN. I've gone so far as to have the family finder DNA tests done and found dozens of cousins but have no idea how most are related. One recently came about that intrigues me in that this person has the surnames Janzen, Klassen, Loewen and Doerksen in their genealogy. I believe I had seen some of these names on this list indicate that these families married into VN lines. I have yet to find Harriet's, wife of my Isaac, maiden name. I have determined their children (forgive my repeating this information): Charles R. VN 1837-1918 m. Jane (or Nancy Jane) no further info on this couple, anyone have him in their tree? Mary Harriett 1838-1910 m. 1st Thomas Torrey, 2nd Duane Philes George W. 1840-1862 died during the CW at Antietam Theodore S. 1843-1865 died after the CW from illness contracted during the CW. James Melville 1845-1919 m. Susannah Rice Daniel E. 1848 m. Elmira Ferris (Harriet is listed in their home on the 1885 Territorial MN State Census) Sylvia Adelia or Adelia Sylvia 1849 m. Charles L. Orcutt (he lived to file a pension app in 1893 from the CW) their children are found on the 1880 census for MN living with grandmother Harriet... but no information is found as to why or where they are after that. Ella E. 1854-1918 (my great grandmother) m. Morris Barker Elmer J. 1858-1870 died of typhoid fever In checking the books I found five Pennsylvania VNs listed as soldiers in Captain Benj. Schonovers Co. 5th Bat. of North Hampton Co. in 1782. Anyone know what the abbreviations mean before their names: 5ts William VN 3ts Isaac VN 8th Joseph VN 1741-1824 (b. Pa, d. Oh.) 1st Class Ephraim VN 7th Class Samuel VN Anyone have any of these men in their trees? I'm assuming most of these men are related somehow. Further listing states that Isaac VN of NY re'cd a Rev. War bounty land grant in PA July 8, 1790. Could this be Isaac VN b. 1794 father? Leslie Barker Thomas Fear less; hope more. Eat less; chew more. Talk less; say more. Hate less; love more, and all good thing will be yours. - Swedish Proverb - ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Always glad to see the volume of activity on this list. I've been searching in depth using the Google Books site for information on my Isaac VanNorman b. 1794 in PA and died 22 Dec 1878 in MN. I've gone so far as to have the family finder DNA tests done and found dozens of cousins but have no idea how most are related. One recently came about that intrigues me in that this person has the surnames Janzen, Klassen, Loewen and Doerksen in their genealogy. I believe I had seen some of these names on this list indicate that these families married into VN lines. I have yet to find Harriet's, wife of my Isaac, maiden name. I have determined their children (forgive my repeating this information): Charles R. VN 1837-1918 m. Jane (or Nancy Jane) no further info on this couple, anyone have him in their tree? Mary Harriett 1838-1910 m. 1st Thomas Torrey, 2nd Duane Philes George W. 1840-1862 died during the CW at Antietam Theodore S. 1843-1865 died after the CW from illness contracted during the CW. James Melville 1845-1919 m. Susannah Rice Daniel E. 1848 m. Elmira Ferris (Harriet is listed in their home on the 1885 Territorial MN State Census) Sylvia Adelia or Adelia Sylvia 1849 m. Charles L. Orcutt (he lived to file a pension app in 1893 from the CW) their children are found on the 1880 census for MN living with grandmother Harriet... but no information is found as to why or where they are after that. Ella E. 1854-1918 (my great grandmother) m. Morris Barker Elmer J. 1858-1870 died of typhoid fever In checking the books I found five Pennsylvania VNs listed as soldiers in Captain Benj. Schonovers Co. 5th Bat. of North Hampton Co. in 1782. Anyone know what the abbreviations mean before their names: 5ts William VN 3ts Isaac VN 8th Joseph VN 1741-1824 (b. Pa, d. Oh.) 1st Class Ephraim VN 7th Class Samuel VN Anyone have any of these men in their trees? I'm assuming most of these men are related somehow. Further listing states that Isaac VN of NY re'cd a Rev. War bounty land grant in PA July 8, 1790. Could this be Isaac VN b. 1794 father? Leslie Barker Thomas Fear less; hope more. Eat less; chew more. Talk less; say more. Hate less; love more, and all good thing will be yours. - Swedish Proverb -

I've noticed several people have added Daniel VanOrman & Abigail Kellogg as the parents of Isaac Jacob VanOrman (DOB 1824) born in New York & later farmed in Prairieville, MI. Can anyone provide documentation they are his parents? Jeff Swanty -----Original Message----- From: Linda Noggle <lindanoggle@verizon.net> To: Vannorman <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Sep 6, 2010 3:19 pm Subject: [VANNORMAN] Michigan records Found marriage information from Allegan County, Michigan for Michael Vanorman who married Lucretia Kendall 12/23/1841 Is this the same Michael Vanorman that lived in Painted Post, Steuben Co, PA in 1850? Linda Noggle ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Found marriage information from Allegan County, Michigan for Michael Vanorman who married Lucretia Kendall 12/23/1841 Is this the same Michael Vanorman that lived in Painted Post, Steuben Co, PA in 1850? Linda Noggle

Just looking at some Van Norman records in Michigan - Philip W. & Phebe Van Ornum buried Ross Center Cemetery for Philip it says he was 36y 4 months - died 1/18/1886 (I believe this was probably 86 years) Phebe died 3/14/1886 - was 81 year 7 months son Willis 10/20/1879 - 36 years also listed Charles Vanorman 3/21/1862 1 yr 6 month - son of B.W. & Malinda Vanorman George Vanorman 9/12/1862 9/12/1862 12 day - son of B.W. & Malinda Vanorman Robert Vanorman 7/13/1886 - 54 years "G.A.R." Co. F. 8th Michigan Cav. this is in Ross Twsp, Kalamazoo, Michigan Linda Noggle

Wonder what those two little ones died of.  A lot of grief for that mother in one year. ________________________________ From: Linda Noggle <lindanoggle@verizon.net> To: Vannorman <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, September 6, 2010 1:49:15 PM Subject: [VANNORMAN] Michigan records Just looking at some Van Norman records in Michigan - Philip W. & Phebe Van Ornum  buried Ross Center Cemetery for Philip it says he was 36y 4 months - died 1/18/1886  (I believe this was probably 86 years) Phebe died 3/14/1886 - was 81 year 7 months son Willis 10/20/1879 - 36 years also listed Charles Vanorman 3/21/1862  1 yr 6 month - son of B.W. & Malinda Vanorman George Vanorman 9/12/1862  9/12/1862 12 day - son of B.W. & Malinda Vanorman Robert Vanorman  7/13/1886 - 54 years  "G.A.R." Co. F. 8th Michigan Cav. this is in Ross Twsp, Kalamazoo, Michigan Linda Noggle ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a number of documents pertaining to Isaac Van Norman (Hannah Brown) land grants. In addition to what I have listed below I have an index for both, a letter from NYS Library (to Karl VN) saying "Patent for land of Isaac Van Norman delivered to John M. Watson" (I belive that refers to the "assign" listed below. Does anyone know how these things worked? Are there more documents to be found? Arlene Van Norman Reeves 7913- March 14 1893 - a document requesting a survey of 100 acres for Isaac Van Norman "of the late New York line" Then on March 23, 1893 he signed a document to "assign" the land "for the use of the people of the State of New York" 27532 Sept 15, 1848 (the original document that was found) "heirs "are entitled to 160 acres" this document appears to have been filed by the same guy "A. L. Lynde" that applied for Hannah's pension. What I find interesting is Hannah was not listed on this document. Then another document dated Feb 20 1849 "in their favor" naming the land and all the heirs and "subject to sale at Mineral Point" (that's the land office)

Karl Franklin Van Norman born 1886 PA is my Isaac and Cynthia Hatch Van Norman's great grandson. I have found several letters from him on Footnote regarding Isaac VN. Is this the same Karl that the letter from the NYS Library was sent to? -----Original Message----- From: Arlene Reeves [mailto:arkretired@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 3:08 PM To: vannorman rootsweb Subject: [VANNORMAN] Isaac VN land grants I have a number of documents pertaining to Isaac Van Norman (Hannah Brown) land grants. In addition to what I have listed below I have an index for both, a letter from NYS Library (to Karl VN) saying "Patent for land of Isaac Van Norman delivered to John M. Watson" (I belive that refers to the "assign" listed below. Does anyone know how these things worked? Are there more documents to be found? Arlene Van Norman Reeves 7913- March 14 1893 - a document requesting a survey of 100 acres for Isaac Van Norman "of the late New York line" Then on March 23, 1893 he signed a document to "assign" the land "for the use of the people of the State of New York" 27532 Sept 15, 1848 (the original document that was found) "heirs "are entitled to 160 acres" this document appears to have been filed by the same guy "A. L. Lynde" that applied for Hannah's pension. What I find interesting is Hannah was not listed on this document. Then another document dated Feb 20 1849 "in their favor" naming the land and all the heirs and "subject to sale at Mineral Point" (that's the land office) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree with your assessment, Arlene. This is what I have in my notes: 1850 United States Federal Census This is NOT our Hannah Paige: Name: Hannah Page Age: 80 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1770 Birth Place: New Hampshire Gender: Female Home in 1850(City,County,State): Rochester Ward 9, Monroe, New York Household Members: Name Age Clark D Page 37 NH Chloe Page 37 NY Caroline F Page 12 NY Daniel A Page 10 NY Clark A Page 8 NY John G Page 6 NY Mary J Page 5 NY Olive L Page 3 NY David P Page 11m NY Hannah Page 80 NH The following I think are just boarders at the inn. Edward Wilson 21 Thomas Bell 24 Joseph F Bonesteel 32 Asa Chappell 30 Ellen Obrien 18 Hannah and Chloe both died the following year, 1851, and are buried in Falls Cemetery, Greece, Monroe Co., NY. Clark moved to NJ. Hannah's tombstone reading says she was 84. This could be a misreading for 81y. Records are on Find A Grave, but no pictures. Chloe: Birth: unknown Death: Jul. 13, 1851; Age 38y 8m 8d - wife of C. D. Also buried there are "two infants of C. D. & Chloe." Linda Schwenn

I found a document on ancestery where Isaac assigned his "Warrant of Survey" to Simon Dewitt Esq Surveyor General on March 23 1793. It is attached to his 7913 warrant dated March 14 1793. If you are unable to find it and would like a copy I have saved it to my computer and can e-mail it to you. Just send me a note at arkretired@hotmail.com Arlene

I should have included in this infomation that Chloe Page is buried in the same plot with Hannah. > From: arkretired@hotmail.com > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:10:35 -0400 > Subject: [VANNORMAN] Hannah Paige > > > Hi all, > > I was as the surrogate court record place in Rochester, Monroe County, NY today doing some other research and found info regarding a Hannah C. Page- they had gardianship records about a Hannah, Daniel, Ann, Porter and Sarah in 1828. The records had not yet been scanned so I was unable to "view" them. I did find on ancestry.com census a Hannah Page born in New Hampshire living in Rochester with Clark & Chloe Page and their 7 kids and a Hannah Paige living in Newfane, Niagara County born in RI, living with Daniel and Abigail Van Ornen and their 7 kids. > > This brings me to the conclusion that the Hannah C. Page who died Dec 29, 1851, buried in Falls Cemetery, Greece, Monroe County (on find a grave) is not Hannah Brown Van Norman Paige- but the other one. > > Arlene Reeves > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, I was as the surrogate court record place in Rochester, Monroe County, NY today doing some other research and found info regarding a Hannah C. Page- they had gardianship records about a Hannah, Daniel, Ann, Porter and Sarah in 1828. The records had not yet been scanned so I was unable to "view" them. I did find on ancestry.com census a Hannah Page born in New Hampshire living in Rochester with Clark & Chloe Page and their 7 kids and a Hannah Paige living in Newfane, Niagara County born in RI, living with Daniel and Abigail Van Ornen and their 7 kids. This brings me to the conclusion that the Hannah C. Page who died Dec 29, 1851, buried in Falls Cemetery, Greece, Monroe County (on find a grave) is not Hannah Brown Van Norman Paige- but the other one. Arlene Reeves

Name: Josiah G. Van Orman Gender: Male Burial Date: 24 Feb 1900 Death Date: 13 Feb 1900 Death Place: Royalton, Waupaca, Wisconsin Age: 83 Birth Date: 14 Feb 1817 Birthplace: Canada Occupation: Farmer Race: White Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Lydia Sawyer--*********[*error???should be mother, I think]. Father's Name: Jacob Van Orman Father's Birthplace: Canada Mother's Name: Mother's Birthplace: Canada Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B06569-9 System Origin: Wisconsin-EASy Source Film Number: 1311663 Reference Number: pg9 no01779 Collection: Wisconsin Deaths and Burials, 1835-1968 [Family Search]

Thanks Linda for posting this information. This is great! We now have the name of Sarah Payn's parents and siblings!

You may already have this information but I was on Joyce Tice site (TriCounty) and found Duren (?) T. (M) VanOrman died 9/4/1921 buried Woodlawn Cemetery, Elmira, New York says he was 62 yrs 4 months, 15 days and born Binghamton, New York Linda Noggle