Hi All, I am not sure you had this information or not, but on MDCH - Genealogical Death indexing system (Michigan) I found death record for Ephigm Vanorman (Ephraim) Date of death: 12/16/1886 Place of death: Jefferson , Hillsdale Co., Michigan Married, age 72 years Cause of Death: Brights Disease Birthplace: NY Occ: Farming Fathers Name: J. Vanorman Father's Resid: Michigan Mother's Name: Lydia Vanorman Mother's Resid: Michigan Ledger Page: 271 Record Number: 4113 Date of record: 7/28/1887 This would be Sophronia Folsom Vanorman's husband. And I believe Ephraim would be a son of Jacob and Lydia Sawyer Vanorman Linda

I've found a court "citation" dated 1903 asking the following to attend the will reading of Susan V Mills: Harriet Rogers [Harriet E. Van Ornum] Lewis VanOrnum [Hiram Lewis VO, son of Sardine Stone VO] Rose S. Williams of Morlow?, SD [possibly wife of Albert Ray VO?] Mary Williams of Serlin?, MI Judson VanOrnum [Adoniram Judson VO, son of Sardine Stone VO] John VanOrnum of Manilla PA [maybe son of Sardine Stone VO, but he died as infant] Mrs S Laidlaw of Wood Lake, MN [perhaps Sophronia Harmon, d/o Harrial Viall] Alta Thompson W. P. Harmon [prob. Wesley Porter Harmon] Addie Woods of Edwards NY [Prob. Harriet Adaline Harmon] E.O. Reynolds E.B. Peppers of Hermon NY [relation of Jennie Etheyln Peppers?] Samuel Mills of St Lawrence NY is administrater. I don't have a Susan V. Mills, but definitly related. If anyone has any of these people, we can compare notes.

Thanks! --- On Sat, 9/25/10, jroguetech@gmail.com <jroguetech@gmail.com> wrote: From: jroguetech@gmail.com <jroguetech@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Mary Ann VanOrnum (1799-1893) obituary To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, September 25, 2010, 12:51 PM Harry VO, b. 2 Sep 1804, New York (probably St Lawrence Co.), d. 11 Nov 1896, buried in Balsam Cemetery, Russell, St Lawrence, New York, married Mary O. Knox c. 1837. Mary O., b. 18 Aug 1815, d. 17 Jan 1876, also buried in Balsam Cemetery. That's all the info I have on them, and most of it from third-hand sources. On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Laurie Cigan <lcigan@yahoo.com> wrote: > I'm descended from a Henry Van Arman b. ca 1803 possibly in Vermont. The > last name of course has been spelt many different ways including Van Ornum. > Is it possible that my Henry is the same person as your Harry? I have not > been able to find a death record or burial location for him. I do show him > in Ellenburg, Clinton, New York in the 1840-1870 censuses. He was married to > a Martia (also spelt Marcia, Marsha, Martha), children James, Lewis, Nelson, > Ira, Hiram, Horace, Betsey, Hannah, John, George, Elsey. > > Laurie C. > > --- On Fri, 9/24/10, jroguetech@gmail.com <jroguetech@gmail.com> wrote: > > > From: jroguetech@gmail.com <jroguetech@gmail.com> > Subject: [VANNORMAN] Mary Ann VanOrnum (1799-1893) obituary > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Date: Friday, September 24, 2010, 8:42 PM > > > Mary Ann Van Ornum's (1799-1893), d/o Abraham Van Ornum and Sarah > Pratt, obit. > > On monday April 20, Mrs. Mary Ann Knox passed away to her heavenly reward > at > the ripe age of 92.She was the daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Abraham Van Ornum > who came to this county from Essex County in the early days of 1813.At that > time the townships of Russell and Hermon were unbroken forest save here and > there small clearings made by the axe of early settlers.Mrs. Knox descended > from a family noted for longevity-both her father and mother lived to be > over 80 years old.One of her brothers died at the age of 87 another at the > age of 92. She was married to Mr. Eri Knox December 25,1832. Four children > were born to them: Chauncy,Henry,Lewis,and Ellen (Mrs. E.A. Conant).Mr. and > Mrs. Knox settled in the town of Russell,which even in that date,was > largely > timberland.Through their enterprise and forethought they soon accumulated > property by which they were enabled to give bountifully to the poor.Mr.Knox > died in August 1874 at the age of 64 years.Mrs. Knox united with the > Baptist > Church at the early age of 17 years and for 75 years she lived a consistant > Christian life.What a testimony is such a life to the power of > Christianity. > The funeral services were conducted by her pastor,Rev. E.A.Hooper at her > home on Washington Street wednesday afternoon at one-o-clock. > (unknown source; Hermon, New York; unknown date) > > It mentions a brother dieing age 92. This would be Harry van Ornum > (1804-1896). I don't know who is the brother d. age 87. Also, as stated, I > don't know the original source (and it's unedited from my source; I assume > the original has correct spaces). > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hiram Lewis VO, s/o Sardine Stone VO, s/o Abraham VO ========== Hiram Lewis Van Ornum passed to the great beyond at noon, Friday, March 9, 1923 after an illness of several months from pernicious anemia, aged 74 yrs. 4 mos. and 13 d. at the home of his daughter, Mrs. A.O. Dewey. The funeral was at 2 p.m. Monday. Mr. Van Ornum was born in St. Lawrence Co., NY Oct. 24, 1849. At age 18 he left the parental home and engaged in farming in Cooperstown, MI where he married in 1871 Miss Adeline (Aurilla) Terry. In 1882 he moved with his family to this state and for 25 years carried on a farm two miles east of this city. He then moved into town where he remained for a number of years, death taking his wife during this period, she dying in 1916. Later, Mr. Van Ornum became interested in South Dakota irrigated lands and went to that state where in March 1919 he married Mrs. Addie Wood. They moved to Natural Bridge, NY. Last September he returned to Forman and since made his home with his daughter, Mrs. Dewey. Nine children were born to bless Mr. Van Ornum's first marriage,seven of whom survive the parents: Mrs. A. O. Dewey, Forman; Mrs. John Swan, Granite Falls, Minn.; J.W. Van Ornum, Lisbon, N.D.; Mrs. Manley Shaw, Hillhead, S.D.; Harry H. Van Ornum, Minneapolis, Minn.; Bert Van Ornum, Souix City, Iowa; Mrs. Carl Peterson, Oakes, N.D.; Mr. Van Ornum was a loyal citizen, and energetic and industrious man, a good example of the hardy pioneers who have made North Dakota the great state it has become. (unknown source, unkown date) Hiram Lewis Van Ornum Hiram Lewis Van Ornum was born in St. Lawrence Co., NY October 24, 1849. At 18 he left his parental home and moved to Cooperville, MI. where he engaged in farming. He married Miss Aurilla Terry in 1871. In 1882 he and his family came to Forman and started farming two miles east of Iowa. Here they continued to live about twenty five years, worked up a good stock farm and built a good home. Mrs. Van Ornum's health was such she could not stand the hard work any longer and they moved to Forman where they lived about 13 years. Mrs. Van Ornum diedseveral years ago. Later Mr. Van Ornum became interested in some irrigated land in South Dakota. He built up a home there. Four years ago this month he married Mrs. Addie Wood and they moved to Natural Bridge, NY to live. Last September he returned to Forman with the intention of moving on to the old farm east of town. He made his home with his daughter, Mrs. A. O. Dewey. After the Holidays his health began to fail and it became evident that he would not last very long. Dr. Warnshuis [?] pronounced his ailment pernicious anemia. Friday, March 9th, the struggle was over and his spirit took its flight to the great beyond. He was 74 years old last October. Nine children blessed Mr. Van Ornum's first marriage, seven of whom remain to mourn his death. A daughter Mary died in infancy and a son Ruell was drowned in Bear Creek just west of Oakes in 1897. The surviving children are as follows: Mrs. A. O. Dewey, Forman; Mrs. John Swan, Granite Falls, Minn.; Mrs. Manley Shaw, Hill Head, S. D.; Mrs. Carl Peterson, Oakes; J. W. at Lisbon; Harry at Minneapolis, Minn.; and Bert at Sioux City, Iowa. The funeral services were held at the home of Mr. and Mrs. Dewey Monday afternoon at two o'clock. Rev. Dodge of Cogswell, preached the sermon. He dwelt mainly on what the immortality of the soul meant to the various nations of the earth from the most ancient time down to the present day. The pall bearers were Messrs. J. H. Dyste, Geo. Hohaus, Frank Argersinger, Bert Larson, J. Bugher, and Henry Gardner. The remains were taken to the Forman Cemetery where Rev. Dodge read the burial ceremony and the body was restored to earth again. Mr. Van Ornum was a representative of the hardy pioneers who came here when this country was practically a wilderness. He arrived four years before the Soo railroad came and even before the town was platted. The material for the [off the page]ed from Lisbon with oxen. Mr. Van Ornum was a loyal citizen an energetic and industrious farmer and a good provider for his family. He will be remembered as one of the early land marks of Forman and vicinity. Card of Thanks: We wish to express our sincere appreciation of the many acts of kindness shown us during the illness and death of our father. Mr. and Mrs. A. O. Dewey Mr. and Mrs. John Swan Mr. and Mrs. J. W. Van Ornum Mr. and Mrs. Manley Shaw Mr. and Mrs. Harry Van Ornum Mr. and Mrs. Carl Peterson Mr. and Mrs. Bert Van Ornum. (The Sargent County News of Forman, p. 1; 15 Mar 1923) ============== His son's Ruel (several alt. spellings): =============== A man named Van Ornum who was in charge of Senator Marshall's herd of cattle on Bear Creek near Oakes a week ago [sic]. The indications are that he tried to cross the creek on a raft, which parted and let him go into the ice cold water. At last accounts his body had not been recovered. He was about 23 years old and leaves a wife and two children to mourn his loss. (Dickey Co. Leader; Mon. 6 May 6 1897, p. 3, col. 3 roll #6371) The body of Ruel Van Ornum, drowned last week in Bear Creek near Oakes, has been recovered by his father. It is buried in Oakes Cemetery. (Sargent Co. Independent; Mon 6 May 1897, p. 2, col. 1 Roll #1102) ============= His "wife and two children" are unknown. ============= Mrs. P. Dewey Rites in Forman The funeral for Mrs. Arthur (Pruda) Dewey of Forman were held in the Sargent County Auditorium Tuesday with Walter Jardine officiating. Music was furnished by Richard Peterson as soloist, accompanied by Mrs. Richard Peterson. Pallbearers were: Roy Isakson, Niels Casperson, Art Anderson, Emil Evenson, L. F. Ellsworth and Howard Cady. Final resting place was the Forman Cemetery. She died Saturday in an area hospital. She was born Feb 14, 1876 at Battle Creek, MI and married Nov 3, 1900 at Willmar, Minn. She came to Sargent county area with her parents in 1883. She and her husband farmed in this area for many years. She leaves a son, Charles, of Forman; two daughters, Mrs. Oliver Taylor, Forman and Mrs. William Matl, Chicago; two sisters, Mrs. Alta Shaw, Minneapolis; and Mrs. Carl Peterson, Oklee, Minn. and a brother Harry Van Ornum of Minneapolis. Her husband died in 1923 and a son, three brothers and one sister have preceded her in death. (Sargent County News, 28 Jan 1965) ============= ============= Elbert Ray Van Ornum, Age 58 Born May 24, 1890 at Forman, North Dakota. Raised on a farm with family of 3 brothers and 4 sisters, 2 brothers who have preceded him in death. Both parents deceased. Eldest brother Harry and one sister-Mrs. Altha Shaw residing in Minneapolis, sister living at Forman, Mrs. Pruda Dewey, sister Mrs. Ellen Swan of Wichita, Kansas; and youngest sister, Mrs. Carl Peterson [Lillybelle Van Ornum] of Akeley, Minnesota. Father of 3 children by marriage to Geneva Gates, 2 sons Elbert Leo and John Wesley, and a daughter Annabelle May. Re-married June 17, 1935 to Rose Agnes Dobmeier at Sioux City, Iowa. Lived near Sioux City until moving to Sherbourne County in 1941. Has been active in community affairs and rural activities since establishing residence here. Was a Grange member and attended church at Becker, baptised in the Protestant faith. Surviving are his loving and devoted wife, eldest son and family, Mr. and Mrs. E. L. Van Ornum and 2 grandchildren, Roger Dean and Gary Leo, and youngest son John Wesley, all of Fort Dodge, Iowa. Funeral services were held on Saturday atMonticello, Minnesota. Attending these services from Forman were Mr. and Mrs. Charles Dewey, Mrs. Pruda Dewey and Mrs. Edna Taylor. (Sargent County News, 5 May 1949) http://theusgenweb.org/nd/sargent/sobit.htm ============= Hiram Lewis is the son of Sardine Stone VO and Eunice Harmon: ============= The death of Sardine S. Van Ornum, which took place at the residence of his son, HL Van Ornum at Forman, December 10, was briefly mentioned in these columns last week, and following is additional biographical sketch. Deceased was born May 9, 1825 at Edwards in St. Lawrence Co., NY. He was married to Eunis Harmon Sept 2, 1844. Five sons and three daughters were born to the union, all of whom except HL and AJ Van Ornum had passed away before their father. Of the second marriage of S.S. Van Ornum there is no data available at this writing. Both wives were taken by sickness and passed to their eternal sleep mourned and regretted. In the year 1868 S.S. Van Ornum moved to MI, in which state he resided until about 21 years ago when he came to Sargent Co., North Dakota, to join his son H.L. who had moved here some time before. For many years the family resided in Rutland township, but a few years ago the son retired from active farming, purchased a home in Forman and moved the family in, his father accompanying them. As stated last week, "Grandpa" Van Ornum was a well known figure on our streets, well liked by all and up to his last sickness, was a well preserved old gentleman, active and spry and vigorous of mind. In 1859 he had embraced the Seventh Day Adventist faith which held his firm belief in life ever afterwards. He died at the ripe old age of 88 years and some month after a week's illness. The funeral was held Saturday, 12 p.m. at the house and 1 p.m. from the Congregational Church, Rev. George J Ross officiating. The church was appropriately decorated and the services were impressive and touching. There was a good attendance of friends and neighbors of the bereaved family. The pall bearers wee J.H. Dyste, L.A. Hohaus Ed Anderson, L.A. Barney, B.H. Larson and O. B. Johnson. The out of town relatives present were Judson Van Ornum of Chicago and Joseph Williams of Island Lake, Minn. A host of others were notified but could not arrive in time for the funeral. There were about a dozen local relatives of the deceased present at the obsequies. The remains were interred in the cemetery a mile south of town. S.S. Van Ornum at rest. CARD OF THANKS: We desire to express in this way or sincere thanks for the kind services rendered by friends and neighbors during the sickness and at the funeral of our departed father and relative. Their services will ever be remembered. H. L. Van Ornum and family. (unknown newspaper; scrapbook of Addie Wood Van Ornum of South Edwards, St. Lawrence, NY; unknown date)http://theusgenweb.org/nd/sargent/sobit.htm ============= The "second marriage" with "no available information" is Jerushua Howell.

Harry VO, b. 2 Sep 1804, New York (probably St Lawrence Co.), d. 11 Nov 1896, buried in Balsam Cemetery, Russell, St Lawrence, New York, married Mary O. Knox c. 1837. Mary O., b. 18 Aug 1815, d. 17 Jan 1876, also buried in Balsam Cemetery. That's all the info I have on them, and most of it from third-hand sources. On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Laurie Cigan <lcigan@yahoo.com> wrote: > I'm descended from a Henry Van Arman b. ca 1803 possibly in Vermont. The > last name of course has been spelt many different ways including Van Ornum. > Is it possible that my Henry is the same person as your Harry? I have not > been able to find a death record or burial location for him. I do show him > in Ellenburg, Clinton, New York in the 1840-1870 censuses. He was married to > a Martia (also spelt Marcia, Marsha, Martha), children James, Lewis, Nelson, > Ira, Hiram, Horace, Betsey, Hannah, John, George, Elsey. > > Laurie C. > > --- On Fri, 9/24/10, jroguetech@gmail.com <jroguetech@gmail.com> wrote: > > > From: jroguetech@gmail.com <jroguetech@gmail.com> > Subject: [VANNORMAN] Mary Ann VanOrnum (1799-1893) obituary > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Date: Friday, September 24, 2010, 8:42 PM > > > Mary Ann Van Ornum's (1799-1893), d/o Abraham Van Ornum and Sarah > Pratt, obit. > > On monday April 20, Mrs. Mary Ann Knox passed away to her heavenly reward > at > the ripe age of 92.She was the daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Abraham Van Ornum > who came to this county from Essex County in the early days of 1813.At that > time the townships of Russell and Hermon were unbroken forest save here and > there small clearings made by the axe of early settlers.Mrs. Knox descended > from a family noted for longevity-both her father and mother lived to be > over 80 years old.One of her brothers died at the age of 87 another at the > age of 92. She was married to Mr. Eri Knox December 25,1832. Four children > were born to them: Chauncy,Henry,Lewis,and Ellen (Mrs. E.A. Conant).Mr. and > Mrs. Knox settled in the town of Russell,which even in that date,was > largely > timberland.Through their enterprise and forethought they soon accumulated > property by which they were enabled to give bountifully to the poor.Mr.Knox > died in August 1874 at the age of 64 years.Mrs. Knox united with the > Baptist > Church at the early age of 17 years and for 75 years she lived a consistant > Christian life.What a testimony is such a life to the power of > Christianity. > The funeral services were conducted by her pastor,Rev. E.A.Hooper at her > home on Washington Street wednesday afternoon at one-o-clock. > (unknown source; Hermon, New York; unknown date) > > It mentions a brother dieing age 92. This would be Harry van Ornum > (1804-1896). I don't know who is the brother d. age 87. Also, as stated, I > don't know the original source (and it's unedited from my source; I assume > the original has correct spaces). > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm descended from a Henry Van Arman b. ca 1803 possibly in Vermont. The last name of course has been spelt many different ways including Van Ornum. Is it possible that my Henry is the same person as your Harry? I have not been able to find a death record or burial location for him. I do show him in Ellenburg, Clinton, New York in the 1840-1870 censuses. He was married to a Martia (also spelt Marcia, Marsha, Martha), children James, Lewis, Nelson, Ira, Hiram, Horace, Betsey, Hannah, John, George, Elsey.   Laurie C. --- On Fri, 9/24/10, jroguetech@gmail.com <jroguetech@gmail.com> wrote: From: jroguetech@gmail.com <jroguetech@gmail.com> Subject: [VANNORMAN] Mary Ann VanOrnum (1799-1893) obituary To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, September 24, 2010, 8:42 PM Mary Ann Van Ornum's (1799-1893), d/o Abraham Van Ornum and Sarah Pratt, obit. On monday April 20, Mrs. Mary Ann Knox passed away to her heavenly reward at the ripe age of 92.She was the daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Abraham Van Ornum who came to this county from Essex County in the early days of 1813.At that time the townships of Russell and Hermon were unbroken forest save here and there small clearings made by the axe of early settlers.Mrs. Knox descended from a family noted for longevity-both her father and mother lived to be over 80 years old.One of her brothers died at the age of 87 another at the age of 92. She was married to Mr. Eri Knox December 25,1832. Four children were born to them: Chauncy,Henry,Lewis,and Ellen (Mrs. E.A. Conant).Mr. and Mrs. Knox settled in the town of Russell,which even in that date,was largely timberland.Through their enterprise and forethought they soon accumulated property by which they were enabled to give bountifully to the poor.Mr.Knox died in August 1874 at the age of 64 years.Mrs. Knox united with the Baptist Church at the early age of 17 years and for 75 years she lived a consistant Christian life.What a testimony is such a life to the power of Christianity. The funeral services were conducted by her pastor,Rev. E.A.Hooper at her home on Washington Street wednesday afternoon at one-o-clock. (unknown source; Hermon, New York; unknown date) It mentions a brother dieing age 92. This would be Harry van Ornum (1804-1896). I don't know who is the brother d. age 87. Also, as stated, I don't know the original source (and it's unedited from my source; I assume the original has correct spaces). ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary Ann Van Ornum's (1799-1893), d/o Abraham Van Ornum and Sarah Pratt, obit. On monday April 20, Mrs. Mary Ann Knox passed away to her heavenly reward at the ripe age of 92.She was the daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Abraham Van Ornum who came to this county from Essex County in the early days of 1813.At that time the townships of Russell and Hermon were unbroken forest save here and there small clearings made by the axe of early settlers.Mrs. Knox descended from a family noted for longevity-both her father and mother lived to be over 80 years old.One of her brothers died at the age of 87 another at the age of 92. She was married to Mr. Eri Knox December 25,1832. Four children were born to them: Chauncy,Henry,Lewis,and Ellen (Mrs. E.A. Conant).Mr. and Mrs. Knox settled in the town of Russell,which even in that date,was largely timberland.Through their enterprise and forethought they soon accumulated property by which they were enabled to give bountifully to the poor.Mr.Knox died in August 1874 at the age of 64 years.Mrs. Knox united with the Baptist Church at the early age of 17 years and for 75 years she lived a consistant Christian life.What a testimony is such a life to the power of Christianity. The funeral services were conducted by her pastor,Rev. E.A.Hooper at her home on Washington Street wednesday afternoon at one-o-clock. (unknown source; Hermon, New York; unknown date) It mentions a brother dieing age 92. This would be Harry van Ornum (1804-1896). I don't know who is the brother d. age 87. Also, as stated, I don't know the original source (and it's unedited from my source; I assume the original has correct spaces).

Prompted by the posting of the marriage of Wm to Harriet McBride, I did some research into that couple. Their marriage record is found, with image, on the Family Search pilot site: http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=allCollections&r=-1 In the 1900 census I found William in Kalamazoo married to a Harriet in 1876; in 1910 they are in Hopkins which revealed he was married for the second time, she the first. His death record for 6 July 1918 lists his parents as Aaron and Sophia Dustin (sp?). William and Harriet McBride Vanorman are buried in Maplewood Cemetery, Hopkins, Allegan, MI, 1851-1918. Same cemetery is his brother Aaron, Aaron's wife Mary, and their son Roy. Pics on Find A Grave. The 1900 census on this William says he was born Sept 1849. Tombstone says 1851. I'm not surprised by the date conflict. Several of the other Vanormans in Maplewood have dates slightly different from their death or census dates, suggesting an informant who somewhat guessed at the facts. Harriet and William had no children. William had been previously married to Hannah Armstrong in 1868. They must have divorced. Hannah married again in 1900. Harriet was the dau of James and Caroline McBride. Linda Schwenn

On the Us Gen Web site for Allegan Co., Michigan found Thomas H. Vannorman married to Harriett McBride - 2/27/1876 William H. Vannorman married to Harriett McBride - 7/27/1876 says it is from Dibean Collection Linda

Arlene That newspaper story about Anna Munson's death is quite important. I hope you are able to get an image of it and determine on which date the newspaper article appeared. (Did she die on 5 June or was the paper published on 5 June?). The newspaper story shows that either the cemetery transcription or the gravestone engraving was wrong about her death year. The newspaper story indicates that she was born about 1776. I note that again her name was written as "Anna" not "Eliza Anna". Cheers Ray -----Original Message----- From: vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Arlene Reeves Sent: September 17, 2010 9:05 PM To: vannorman rootsweb Subject: [VANNORMAN] Joseph Van Norman's will (1741-1824) In reviewing the will of Joseph Van Norman I have "found" things I missed in previous readings. The will is dated September 7, 1810 and was "proved" April 13, 1824. Joseph names all of the children I am aware of- Ephraim, Isaac, Daniel, John, Jessie, Aaron, Susannah, ... Benjamin, equal shares, then Levi (as listed below) and Sarah Fleming "one good cow", and Anna (as listed below). "I give and bequeath to my beloved son Levi three hundred dollars .... except Levi only, he is to pay out of his share seventy dollars to Oliver Brown" "I give and bequeath Sarah Owens, Luman Munson and Lacy Munson the share that my beloved daughter Anna would have had, had she lived, to be equally divided among them." "To my four grandchildren, to wit, Oliver Brown, Sarah Owens, Luman Munson and Lacy Munson..." I believe Anna named in the will is Joseph & Elizabeth's daughter Eliza Anna Van Norman (Elijah) Owens (Thaddeus) Munson. Records indicate she died from 1811 to 1817, her headstone says "Anna Munson May 29, 1811 aged 36 years". I recently found a reference to a newspaper listing "Munson, Anna 34 died, Ontario County Repository, June 5 1810 Mrs. Thad's Munson" I will attempt to find a copy of this listing to see if there is additional information. I show Sarah, Luman & Lacy as her children. Has anyone heard of an Oliver Brown connected to this family? Arlene Van Norman Reees ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Arlene, Just some random thoughts on this: So there are two daughters: Eliza Anna and Susannah? If Susannah married a Brown, why isn't she referred to as Brown in the will? Or....is Oliver a child of Levi's indiscretion? Perhaps he didn't marry Oliver's mother, but Joseph is doing the right thing in recognizing him as a descendant. If Oliver were Anna's, the will that specifically names Anna's children would have included Oliver in the list. "I give and bequeath Sarah Owens, Luman Munson and Lacy Munson the share that my beloved daughter Anna would have had, had she lived, to be equally divided among them." A side note here that it was perhaps Anna's untimely death, either in childbirth or shortly thereafter, that made Joseph contemplate his own mortality and make a will. He did live for another 14 years. She was his "beloved daughter." Have you found Lacy and Luman in the 1810 census? Is there a third child in that census that could be Oliver? Oliver had to be born before the will written in 1810. There are a couple Olivers in the 1850 census who were born before 1811. Certainly he could still be alive then. Also found a Susan Oliver born about the right time living with her son Nathaniel. AmericanAncestors.org search results for Thaddeus Munson: has a Granville, MA, birth record for a Thaddeus Munson twin son of Ephraim and Comfort b 22 Nov 1748. Twin sister was named Comfort. [p 60 Massachusetts Vital Records to 1850] FYI: THE TOWN OF GRANVILLE, Hampden County, was established as a district January 25, 1754, from the plantation of Bedford. August 23, 1775, the district was made a town by general act. June 14, 1810, a part was established as Tolland. and a Thaddeus Munson query from *The American Genealogist* asks for info re a Thaddeus Munson b 11-22-1748 in Granville, who m Miriam/ Mariam Dibble. They lived in Lanesboro, MA, and in Manchester and Hinesburg, VT. Ch b at Manchester. Served in Revolutionary War. signed G.W.W.R.

Linda - I really like what I see here with your logic. My comments and additions.... There is a David D. Van (N)Orman (b. ca. 1831/2 NY) residing in Warren, Bradford in the 1860 census and in Wyalusing, Bradford County, PA in the 1870 and 1880 census returns which could be the brother of Charles of Warren, Bradford County, PA. He married Sarah M. (b. ca. 1834/5 PA) His children include: Adelaide (c1857); Leroy (c1867); Percelia E. (c1871/2); and Carrie L. (c1875) - all born in PA. [Haven't been able to locate him in the 1850 census return yet. --- Also note first daughter named Adelaide!!] According to his death registration transcription at Joyce Tice's Tri-County website, he was born in Rensselaer County, NY, the son of William & Sally VanOrman. [daughter Percelia's marriage record transcription at the same website confirms this is D. D. VN] Also interesting is the fact that a William Van (N)Orman (1801 Washington Co., NY - 1894 PA) and his wife Adelaide [Smith???] (1812 VT - 1891 PA) are also residents of Orwell [1850] & Warren [1860, 1880], Bradford County, PA. His known family includes William Dennis (1835 NY); Henry Smith (1840 NY); and Mary (c1849 PA). The 1840 census of Easton, Washington County, NY fits this family, if the children from the (first?) wife Susan are figured in - the child under 5 being William Dennis VN, and Henry Smith VN not born yet........ (although the notes [tombstone transcription] I have indicate that Henry was born in January 1840, and therefore should bave been counted in the census return.......) If we could determine if this William married Adelaide in the 1831 - 1835 time period in the Pittstown area, we may be able to combine these two families into one larger one! Thanks for posting this! Stephen On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Linda Schwenn <schwel@comcast.net> wrote: > PROBATE ABSTRACTS > RENSSELAER COUNTY SURROGATE > > > SHEARWOOD, John of Pittstown - 9 Oct 1837 - 4 Dec 1837. Heirs: son, John W. > Shearwood; daughters: Nancy & Ann Mariah Shearwood; and Leah Wager; > grand-children; Charles, Nancy, & David Van Ornam children of daughter, > Susan. Exec. son and Abner Dayton. [Abstracted & Compiled > by Barbara Jeffries] > > > A William Van Ornam is living in Pittstown in 1830, one male under 5, 1 > male > 20-29, one female under 5, one female 30-39. Not there in 1840. John > Shearwood is John Sherwood in the 1830 census for Pittstown. > > If Susan were alive, she'd be listed with the living heirs, I think. > > 1840 NY Williams age 30-39 that have been identified (thanks to Stephen > Wood, *et al*) include > William Van Arnum in Easton, Washington Co., *Easton is about 15 miles > north > of Pittstown. * > William Van Norman in Marcellas, Onondaga, NY. > > If Susan's 3 children all lived, the Easton resident has children the > right ages (M:1 under 5, 1 5–9, 1 10–14, 1 30–39 F: 1 10– 14, 1 20– 29) > The > assumed wife 20-29 is perhaps too young for a male 10-14 who is living in > the household. Children's ages are consistent with a second marriage. > > So IF William of Easton in 1840 is the same family: Nancy and one of the > boys would have been born 1826-1830 and the other boy 1831-1835, consistent > with the 1830 Pittstown William record. > > This Charles fits the birth year and could be a possibility. > Home in 1850 : Stillwater, Saratoga, New York , Family Number: 266 > Charles Vanornam 24 NY farmer > Almira Vanornam 22 NY > Mary Rowley 30 NY > Same dwelling, diff fam, Geddediah Palen 49 NY, Ruth Palen 28 NY > > Almira is believed to be the dau of Thomas Gowin b VT abt 1802. Her mother > was b NY. Almira and Charles named their first son Thomas William. In 1860 > and 1870 Charles and Almira are in Warren, Bradford, PA. They are buried in > Little Meadows Cemetery in PA: > > Linda Schwenn > >

I haven't a clue. It has occurred to me that it could be Oliver Brown Owen or Oliver Brown Munson or something like that. I find it interesting that none of Joseph's other grandchildren are named- "Joseph Van Orman, died April 6th 1824, numerous progeny, 173 children, grand and great grand-children, 153 "now living in 1824". So, my assumption is Oliver must have been a child of Anna, the only other grandchildren named in the will. Of couse, then why money from Levi? Arlene > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 09:52:07 -0400 > From: schwel@comcast.net > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] VANNORMAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 110 > > Do you think Susannah married a Brown? > > On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 3:01 AM, <vannorman-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Joseph Van Norman's will (1741-1824) (Arlene Reeves) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 21:05:03 -0400 > > From: Arlene Reeves <arkretired@hotmail.com> > > Subject: [VANNORMAN] Joseph Van Norman's will (1741-1824) > > To: vannorman rootsweb <vannorman@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <SNT143-w2977EEE17D1384A59D2DBFCE7C0@phx.gbl> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > In reviewing the will of Joseph Van Norman I have "found" things I missed > > in previous readings. The will is dated September 7, 1810 and was "proved" > > April 13, 1824. Joseph names all of the children I am aware of- Ephraim, > > Isaac, Daniel, John, Jessie, Aaron, Susannah, ... Benjamin, equal shares, > > then Levi (as listed below) and Sarah Fleming "one good cow", and Anna (as > > listed below). > > > > "I give and bequeath to my beloved son Levi three hundred dollars .... > > except Levi only, he is to pay out of his share seventy dollars to Oliver > > Brown" > > > > "I give and bequeath Sarah Owens, Luman Munson and Lacy Munson the share > > that my beloved daughter Anna would have had, had she lived, to be equally > > divided among them." > > > > "To my four grandchildren, to wit, Oliver Brown, Sarah Owens, Luman Munson > > and Lacy Munson..." > > > > I believe Anna named in the will is Joseph & Elizabeth's daughter Eliza > > Anna Van Norman (Elijah) Owens (Thaddeus) Munson. Records indicate she > > died from 1811 to 1817, her headstone says "Anna Munson May 29, 1811 aged > > 36 years". I recently found a reference to a newspaper listing "Munson, > > Anna 34 died, Ontario County Repository, June 5 1810 Mrs. Thad's Munson" I > > will attempt to find a copy of this listing to see if there is additional > > information. I show Sarah, Luman & Lacy as her children. > > > > Has anyone heard of an Oliver Brown connected to this family? > > Arlene Van Norman Reees > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > To contact the VANNORMAN list administrator, send an email to > > VANNORMAN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > To post a message to the VANNORMAN mailing list, send an email to > > VANNORMAN@rootsweb.com. > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > > of the > > email with no additional text. > > > > > > End of VANNORMAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 110 > > ***************************************** > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Do you think Susannah married a Brown? On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 3:01 AM, <vannorman-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Joseph Van Norman's will (1741-1824) (Arlene Reeves) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 21:05:03 -0400 > From: Arlene Reeves <arkretired@hotmail.com> > Subject: [VANNORMAN] Joseph Van Norman's will (1741-1824) > To: vannorman rootsweb <vannorman@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <SNT143-w2977EEE17D1384A59D2DBFCE7C0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > In reviewing the will of Joseph Van Norman I have "found" things I missed > in previous readings. The will is dated September 7, 1810 and was "proved" > April 13, 1824. Joseph names all of the children I am aware of- Ephraim, > Isaac, Daniel, John, Jessie, Aaron, Susannah, ... Benjamin, equal shares, > then Levi (as listed below) and Sarah Fleming "one good cow", and Anna (as > listed below). > > "I give and bequeath to my beloved son Levi three hundred dollars .... > except Levi only, he is to pay out of his share seventy dollars to Oliver > Brown" > > "I give and bequeath Sarah Owens, Luman Munson and Lacy Munson the share > that my beloved daughter Anna would have had, had she lived, to be equally > divided among them." > > "To my four grandchildren, to wit, Oliver Brown, Sarah Owens, Luman Munson > and Lacy Munson..." > > I believe Anna named in the will is Joseph & Elizabeth's daughter Eliza > Anna Van Norman (Elijah) Owens (Thaddeus) Munson. Records indicate she > died from 1811 to 1817, her headstone says "Anna Munson May 29, 1811 aged > 36 years". I recently found a reference to a newspaper listing "Munson, > Anna 34 died, Ontario County Repository, June 5 1810 Mrs. Thad's Munson" I > will attempt to find a copy of this listing to see if there is additional > information. I show Sarah, Luman & Lacy as her children. > > Has anyone heard of an Oliver Brown connected to this family? > Arlene Van Norman Reees > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the VANNORMAN list administrator, send an email to > VANNORMAN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the VANNORMAN mailing list, send an email to > VANNORMAN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of VANNORMAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 110 > ***************************************** >

In reviewing the will of Joseph Van Norman I have "found" things I missed in previous readings. The will is dated September 7, 1810 and was "proved" April 13, 1824. Joseph names all of the children I am aware of- Ephraim, Isaac, Daniel, John, Jessie, Aaron, Susannah, ... Benjamin, equal shares, then Levi (as listed below) and Sarah Fleming "one good cow", and Anna (as listed below). "I give and bequeath to my beloved son Levi three hundred dollars .... except Levi only, he is to pay out of his share seventy dollars to Oliver Brown" "I give and bequeath Sarah Owens, Luman Munson and Lacy Munson the share that my beloved daughter Anna would have had, had she lived, to be equally divided among them." "To my four grandchildren, to wit, Oliver Brown, Sarah Owens, Luman Munson and Lacy Munson..." I believe Anna named in the will is Joseph & Elizabeth's daughter Eliza Anna Van Norman (Elijah) Owens (Thaddeus) Munson. Records indicate she died from 1811 to 1817, her headstone says "Anna Munson May 29, 1811 aged 36 years". I recently found a reference to a newspaper listing "Munson, Anna 34 died, Ontario County Repository, June 5 1810 Mrs. Thad's Munson" I will attempt to find a copy of this listing to see if there is additional information. I show Sarah, Luman & Lacy as her children. Has anyone heard of an Oliver Brown connected to this family? Arlene Van Norman Reees

PROBATE ABSTRACTS RENSSELAER COUNTY SURROGATE SHEARWOOD, John of Pittstown - 9 Oct 1837 - 4 Dec 1837. Heirs: son, John W. Shearwood; daughters: Nancy & Ann Mariah Shearwood; and Leah Wager; grand-children; Charles, Nancy, & David Van Ornam children of daughter, Susan. Exec. son and Abner Dayton. [Abstracted & Compiled by Barbara Jeffries] A William Van Ornam is living in Pittstown in 1830, one male under 5, 1 male 20-29, one female under 5, one female 30-39. Not there in 1840. John Shearwood is John Sherwood in the 1830 census for Pittstown. If Susan were alive, she'd be listed with the living heirs, I think. 1840 NY Williams age 30-39 that have been identified (thanks to Stephen Wood, *et al*) include William Van Arnum in Easton, Washington Co., *Easton is about 15 miles north of Pittstown. * William Van Norman in Marcellas, Onondaga, NY. If Susan's 3 children all lived, the Easton resident has children the right ages (M:1 under 5, 1 5–9, 1 10–14, 1 30–39 F: 1 10– 14, 1 20– 29) The assumed wife 20-29 is perhaps too young for a male 10-14 who is living in the household. Children's ages are consistent with a second marriage. So IF William of Easton in 1840 is the same family: Nancy and one of the boys would have been born 1826-1830 and the other boy 1831-1835, consistent with the 1830 Pittstown William record. This Charles fits the birth year and could be a possibility. Home in 1850 : Stillwater, Saratoga, New York , Family Number: 266 Charles Vanornam 24 NY farmer Almira Vanornam 22 NY Mary Rowley 30 NY Same dwelling, diff fam, Geddediah Palen 49 NY, Ruth Palen 28 NY Almira is believed to be the dau of Thomas Gowin b VT abt 1802. Her mother was b NY. Almira and Charles named their first son Thomas William. In 1860 and 1870 Charles and Almira are in Warren, Bradford, PA. They are buried in Little Meadows Cemetery in PA: Linda Schwenn

Hi! I believe Archibald's niece is his brother Isaac's (wife Lucinda) daughter born ca. 1837 in Tompkins County, NY. I haven't figured out Nettie Brown yet, but perhaps she was related on William's wife Nancy's side???? Stephen On 9/8/10, Arlene Reeves <arkretired@hotmail.com> wrote: > > On the new VNFA file > > children of William Van Orman b. 1761/64 (attached to this William is the > following: "Deposition of William Vannorman in regard to pension application > of James Johnston. James Johnston wife was Betsey Vanorman - COULD WILLIAM > BE A BROTHER") > > 1880 census Ithaca,Tompkins County NY > > Archibald VanOrman b.1806 has "niece" Elizabeth Vanorman b. 1840- niece > keeping house > > William Van Orman b. 1811 has "niece" Nettie Brown b. 1860 - niece keeping > house. His son Myron b 1841 tobacco dealer is also there. > > I am unable to figure out who the nieces belong to. > > Arlene > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On the new VNFA file children of William Van Orman b. 1761/64 (attached to this William is the following: "Deposition of William Vannorman in regard to pension application of James Johnston. James Johnston wife was Betsey Vanorman - COULD WILLIAM BE A BROTHER") 1880 census Ithaca,Tompkins County NY Archibald VanOrman b.1806 has "niece" Elizabeth Vanorman b. 1840- niece keeping house William Van Orman b. 1811 has "niece" Nettie Brown b. 1860 - niece keeping house. His son Myron b 1841 tobacco dealer is also there. I am unable to figure out who the nieces belong to. Arlene

Could the "s" by William and Isaac possibly be "h"'s? Perhaps they are the Platoon within Capt. Schonovers Company. You note > > 8th Joseph VN 1741-1824 (b. Pa, d. Oh.)" - The dates line up with Joseph, father of Ephraim, Isaac, etc. But I thought he died in Canandaigua, NY. E B Leifer He has showed you, O man, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act Justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8 (NIV) -----Original Message----- From: vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vannorman-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Arlene Reeves Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 7:10 AM To: vannorman rootsweb Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Isaac VanNorman Pennsylvania b. 1794 I'm interested in the list of soldiers below: specificly the reference to Joseph b.PA d. OH as my Joseph died in Canandaigua NY. Where did this list come from? Arlene "In checking the books I found five Pennsylvania VNs listed as > > soldiers in Captain Benj. Schonovers Co. 5th Bat. of North Hampton > > Co. in 1782. > > Anyone know what the abbreviations mean before their names: > > 5ts William VN > > 3ts Isaac VN > > 8th Joseph VN 1741-1824 (b. Pa, d. Oh.)" > From: lindanoggle@verizon.net > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 01:50:56 -0400 > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Isaac VanNorman Pennsylvania b. 1794 > > Hi Leslie, > > I am working on the Samuel Van Norman line - who is mentioned below - actually his father is an Isaac Van Norman also. My Samuel Van Norman was listed in the 1790 Northampton Co., PA census and lived there until he died in 1847. He was born in 1762. He could possibly be your Isaac's father. I have not accounted for all his children as of yet. I had thought that Joseph Van Norman line of Smithfield and my line where connected - but have not made the connection. > I have the same list of soldiers - don't know what the designations mean. I wrote to the PA State Archives and got the record for Samuel Van Norman - not much of a record he was with the 2nd Company, 5th Battalion in 1782 and 5th Company, 5th Battalion, 1784. They sent the payment records from 1838 until 1847 when he died. He received $20 every 6 months. Sometimes they sent only one check a year for $40. I was hoping to get pension application papers - their were none. > > I believe that the Ephraim and Isaac listed are the sons of Joseph that is listed. > I also think Samuel and William may be brothers. The Isaac that is listed could also be the father of Samuel and William. > > Did you say you had someone do the DNA testing for the Vanormans? > > Linda N > > On Sep 6, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Leslie Thomas wrote: > > > Always glad to see the volume of activity on this list. > > > > I've been searching in depth using the Google Books site for > > information on my Isaac VanNorman b. 1794 in PA and died 22 Dec 1878 > > in MN. I've gone so far as to have the family finder DNA tests done > > and found dozens of cousins but have no idea how most are related. > > One recently came about that intrigues me in that this person has the > > surnames Janzen, Klassen, Loewen and Doerksen in their genealogy. I > > believe I had seen some of these names on this list indicate that > > these families married into VN lines. > > > > I have yet to find Harriet's, wife of my Isaac, maiden name. > > > > I have determined their children (forgive my repeating this > > information): > > > > Charles R. VN 1837-1918 m. Jane (or Nancy Jane) no further info on > > this couple, anyone have him in their tree? > > Mary Harriett 1838-1910 m. 1st Thomas Torrey, 2nd Duane Philes > > George W. 1840-1862 died during the CW at Antietam > > Theodore S. 1843-1865 died after the CW from illness contracted > > during the CW. > > James Melville 1845-1919 m. Susannah Rice > > Daniel E. 1848 m. Elmira Ferris (Harriet is listed in their home on > > the 1885 Territorial MN State Census) > > Sylvia Adelia or Adelia Sylvia 1849 m. Charles L. Orcutt (he lived > > to file a pension app in 1893 from the CW) their children are found > > on the 1880 census for MN living with grandmother Harriet... but no > > information is found as to why or where they are after that. > > Ella E. 1854-1918 (my great grandmother) m. Morris Barker > > Elmer J. 1858-1870 died of typhoid fever > > > > In checking the books I found five Pennsylvania VNs listed as > > soldiers in Captain Benj. Schonovers Co. 5th Bat. of North Hampton > > Co. in 1782. > > Anyone know what the abbreviations mean before their names: > > 5ts William VN > > 3ts Isaac VN > > 8th Joseph VN 1741-1824 (b. Pa, d. Oh.) > > 1st Class Ephraim VN > > 7th Class Samuel VN > > Anyone have any of these men in their trees? I'm assuming most of > > these men are related somehow. > > > > Further listing states that Isaac VN of NY re'cd a Rev. War bounty > > land grant in PA July 8, 1790. Could this be Isaac VN b. 1794 father? > > > > Leslie Barker Thomas > > Fear less; hope more. Eat less; chew more. Talk less; say more. Hate > > less; love more, and all good thing will be yours. > > - Swedish Proverb - > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The listing is from a book entitled the Pennsylvania Archives Volume VIII, published 1906, page 397. I did a search on books.google.com for Isaac Vannorman and this reference came up among others. Its a listing for the county of Northampton. When you use the Google books site - and a reference shows up - it tells how many instances there are in the books listed when you pull up the book. Not all books are online but there are a good many, including several that are out of print. I use this resource often. Leslie Barker Thomas On Sep 7, 2010, at 7:10 AM, Arlene Reeves wrote: I'm interested in the list of soldiers below: specificly the reference to Joseph b.PA d. OH as my Joseph died in Canandaigua NY. Where did this list come from? Arlene "In checking the books I found five Pennsylvania VNs listed as >> soldiers in Captain Benj. Schonovers Co. 5th Bat. of North Hampton >> Co. in 1782. >> Anyone know what the abbreviations mean before their names: >> 5ts William VN >> 3ts Isaac VN >> 8th Joseph VN 1741-1824 (b. Pa, d. Oh.)" > From: lindanoggle@verizon.net > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 01:50:56 -0400 > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Isaac VanNorman Pennsylvania b. 1794 > > Hi Leslie, > > I am working on the Samuel Van Norman line - who is mentioned below > - actually his father is an Isaac Van Norman also. My Samuel Van > Norman was listed in the 1790 Northampton Co., PA census and lived > there until he died in 1847. He was born in 1762. He could possibly > be your Isaac's father. I have not accounted for all his children > as of yet. I had thought that Joseph Van Norman line of Smithfield > and my line where connected - but have not made the connection. > I have the same list of soldiers - don't know what the designations > mean. I wrote to the PA State Archives and got the record for > Samuel Van Norman - not much of a record he was with the 2nd > Company, 5th Battalion in 1782 and 5th Company, 5th Battalion, > 1784. They sent the payment records from 1838 until 1847 when he > died. He received $20 every 6 months. Sometimes they sent only one > check a year for $40. I was hoping to get pension application > papers - their were none. > > I believe that the Ephraim and Isaac listed are the sons of Joseph > that is listed. > I also think Samuel and William may be brothers. The Isaac that is > listed could also be the father of Samuel and William. > > Did you say you had someone do the DNA testing for the Vanormans? > > Linda N > > On Sep 6, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Leslie Thomas wrote: > >> Always glad to see the volume of activity on this list. >> >> I've been searching in depth using the Google Books site for >> information on my Isaac VanNorman b. 1794 in PA and died 22 Dec 1878 >> in MN. I've gone so far as to have the family finder DNA tests done >> and found dozens of cousins but have no idea how most are related. >> One recently came about that intrigues me in that this person has the >> surnames Janzen, Klassen, Loewen and Doerksen in their genealogy. I >> believe I had seen some of these names on this list indicate that >> these families married into VN lines. >> >> I have yet to find Harriet's, wife of my Isaac, maiden name. >> >> I have determined their children (forgive my repeating this >> information): >> >> Charles R. VN 1837-1918 m. Jane (or Nancy Jane) no further info on >> this couple, anyone have him in their tree? >> Mary Harriett 1838-1910 m. 1st Thomas Torrey, 2nd Duane Philes >> George W. 1840-1862 died during the CW at Antietam >> Theodore S. 1843-1865 died after the CW from illness contracted >> during the CW. >> James Melville 1845-1919 m. Susannah Rice >> Daniel E. 1848 m. Elmira Ferris (Harriet is listed in their home on >> the 1885 Territorial MN State Census) >> Sylvia Adelia or Adelia Sylvia 1849 m. Charles L. Orcutt (he lived >> to file a pension app in 1893 from the CW) their children are found >> on the 1880 census for MN living with grandmother Harriet... but no >> information is found as to why or where they are after that. >> Ella E. 1854-1918 (my great grandmother) m. Morris Barker >> Elmer J. 1858-1870 died of typhoid fever >> >> In checking the books I found five Pennsylvania VNs listed as >> soldiers in Captain Benj. Schonovers Co. 5th Bat. of North Hampton >> Co. in 1782. >> Anyone know what the abbreviations mean before their names: >> 5ts William VN >> 3ts Isaac VN >> 8th Joseph VN 1741-1824 (b. Pa, d. Oh.) >> 1st Class Ephraim VN >> 7th Class Samuel VN >> Anyone have any of these men in their trees? I'm assuming most of >> these men are related somehow. >> >> Further listing states that Isaac VN of NY re'cd a Rev. War bounty >> land grant in PA July 8, 1790. Could this be Isaac VN b. 1794 father? >> >> Leslie Barker Thomas >> Fear less; hope more. Eat less; chew more. Talk less; say more. Hate >> less; love more, and all good thing will be yours. >> - Swedish Proverb - >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message