Okay if this is our Sara Teunis that arrived on De Trouw in 1664 when did Jan Dircksen come to New York? On my tree I have their marriage date as June 28 1664. Can't remember where this exact date came from but I picked it up from someone's tree or from the marriage record attached to Sara Theunis. June 28 does not correspond well with the birth of their first daughter Dirckje 31 Dec 1664; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Dirckje; Tryntie Grevenraedt Since they did not travel together she may have been promised to him and came over to join him. Could Sara be a daughter of Pieter Teunisz? >Pieter Teunisz From Brunswijck, (Germany); is first mentioned under date of March 28, 1648, as having taken farm implements, houses and cattle, formerly used by him and Crijn Cornelisz, with him to Catskill. In 1652 and 1653, Pieter Teunisz and Jan Dircksz, from Bremen, were summoned to appear before the court to settle their accounts Could our Jan Dircksen be the son of Jan Dircksz from Bremen? Did our Jan Dircksen arrive aboard the De Trouw 1659 with his wife and 3 children? Did his first wife pass away and Jan Dircksen than became engaged to Sara Teunis and he sent for her and she arrived in 1664 on the De Trouw??? DE TROUW (THE FAITH) 1659 57 Jan Dircksen (Dircxsen), from Alckmaer 58 Mrs. Dircksen (wife) 59 - 61 three children Dircksen, ages 3/4, 8 and 15 years DE TROUW (THE FAITH) Passenger list below Sailed after 13 Feb. 1659 [JJ], on 12 Feb 1659 [NWI], arrived New Amsterdam before 5 May 1659 Names of special interest to me******* . Jan Woutersen, from Ravesteyn; shoemaker, and wife and daughter . Catalyntje Cranenburg; maiden . Jan van Coppenol, from Remsen; farmer and wife and 2 children . Matthys Roelofs, from Denmark,and wife and child . Sophia Roeloffs . Geertruy Jochems, from Hamburgh; Wife of Claes Claessen from Amersfoort, now in N. Netherland; and two children . Peter Corneliss, from Holsteyn; Labourer ******** . Peter Jacobs, from Holsteyn . Josyntje Verhagen, from Middelburg, and daughter . Saertge Hendricks, from Delft . Egbert Meynderts, from Amsterdam, and wife and child and servant . Jan Leurens Noorman and wife ******* . Harmen Coerten, from Voorhuysen and wife and 5 children . Magalantje Teunis, from Voorhuysen ******* . Feytje Dircks ******** . Gillis Jansen van Garder and Wife and four children ******** . Bastiaen Clement, from Doornick . Adriaen Fournoi, from Valenciennes . Jannetje Eyckers, from East Friesland . Joris Jorissen Townsen, from Redfort; mason . Nicholas Gillissen Marschal . Wouter gerritsen van Kootuyck . Jan Jacobsen, from Utrecht; farmer, and wife, mother and two children . Arent Francken van Iperen . Dennys Isacksen, from Wyck by Daurstede . Weyntje Martens van Gorehem . Vroutje Gerrits, wife of Cosyn Gerritsen; Wheelwright . Jan Dircksen, from Alckmaer and Wife and three children ********* . Nettert Jansen, from Embden . Epke Jacobs, from Harlingen; farmer and wife and five sons . Stoffiel Gerritsen from Laer [ENN: On May 2, 1660 Adriaen van laer, his brother, settles his account] . Jan Meynderts, from Iperen; farmer and wife . Jan Barents Ameshof, from Amsterdam . Symon Drune from Henegouw . Hendrick Harmensen, from Amsterdam . Evert Cornellissen from the vicinity of Amersfoort ********* . Laurens Jacobs van der Wielen . Jannetje Theunis van Ysseltstein ********** . Jan Roelofsen, van Naerden; farmer . Jacob Hendricks, from the Highland, and maidservant . Goossen van Twiller, from New-Kerk . Lawrens Janssen, from Wormer ********* . Jan Harmens from Amersfoort; Taylor, and wife and four children . Evert Marschal; glasier, from Amsterdam and wife and daughter . Boele Roelofsen, Joncker, and wife and four children, besides his Wife's sister and a boy Name: Sara Teunis Marriage Date: 1664 Marriage Place: New York City, New York Passengers aboard the De Trouw in 1664 . Maarcelis Jansen van Bommel; farmer . Evert Tack, from the Barony of Breda . Lysbet Arens, from Amsterdam, and child [re NWI- child 8 years old] . Johannis Hardenbroeck, from Elberveld, and Wife and four children [re NWI children were 8,6,5 and 3] . Janneken Juriaensen, from Gorcum . Corneliss Cornelissen Vernoey, and Wife and sucking child . Lysbet de Roode, from Dantzick, Wife of John Saline, and child [re NWI child was 3 years old] . Sara Teunis We can add the following names as found in Abstracts from Notarial Documents in the Amsterdam Archives by Pim Nieuwenhuis published in New Netherland Connections in series Vol. 4:3,4; Vol. 5:1-3 . Daniel de Hondecoutre, bachelor, engaged by Pieter van den Beilcken merchant in Leyden for 4 years to trade on his behalf in New Netherland [NNC] . Norbardus Bodas, soldier from Antwerp, in service of WIC [NNC] Did Sara Teunis travel with Lysbet de Roode wife of John Saline? -----Original Message----- From: Linda Schwenn [mailto:schwel@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 5:35 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: [VANNORMAN] Dirk Jansz I received the information below from Janice Walters in about 2006. I have not followed up on any of it and only send it on today because of all the current interest. I have NOT documented this information, but have found duplication of names on other Ancestry.com trees, including Susan Claggett's. Of special interest to me is the addition that he was an officer in the military, suggesting to me that soldiering was in the family. Another researcher wrote that Dirk was "an officer under William II, Prince of Oranje, Count of Nassau," perhaps an example of redundant error...or fact? *Individual Report for Dirk Jansz Van Arnhem VA* *Individual Summary:* *Dirk Jansz Van Arnhem VA* Sex: Male Father: Jan Derryckssen Mother: Gerriken Beecken *Individual Facts:* Birth: Abt. 1615 in Arnhem, Gelderland, Holland Reference ID: 33 Death: Arnhem, Gelderland, Holland Military Service: officer under General Count von Nassau *Shared Facts:* *Magdalena Jans* Marriage: 22 Apr 1638 in Arnhem, Gelderland, Holland Reference ID: 1692 Children: Dirrecxken Van Arnhem VA Jan Dirckszen Van Arnhem VA Joris Van Arnhem VA Hendrik Van Arnhem VA Marricken Van Arnhem VA *Notes:* Person Notes: [jwlaters62[1] VN1.FTW] Was an officer under General County Von Nassau. 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Okay if this is our Sara Teunis that arrived on De Trouw in 1664 when did Jan Dircksen come to New York? On my tree I have their marriage date as June 28 1664. Can't remember where this exact date came from but I picked it up from someone's tree or from the marriage record attached to the file. June 28 does not correspond well with the birth of their first daughter Dirckje 31 Dec 1664; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Dirckje; Tryntie Grevenraedt Since they did not travel together she may have been promised to him and came over to join him. Could she be a daughter of Pieter Teunisz? >Pieter Teunisz From Brunswijck, (Germany); is first mentioned under date of March 28, >1648, as having taken farm implements, houses and cattle, formerly used by him and Crijn Cornelisz, with him to Catskill. In 1652 and 1653, Pieter Teunisz and Jan Dircksz, from Bremen, were summoned to appear before the court to settle their accounts Could our Jan Dircksen be the son of Jan Dircksz from Bremen? Did our Jan Dircksen arrive aboard the De Trouw 1659 with his wife and 3 children? Did his first wife pass away and Jan Dircksen than became engaged to Sara Teunis and he sent for her and she arrived in 1664 on the De Trouw??? DE TROUW (THE FAITH) 1659 57 Jan Dircksen (Dircxsen), from Alckmaer 58 Mrs. Dircksen (wife) 59 - 61 three children Dircksen, ages 3/4, 8 and 15 years DE TROUW (THE FAITH) Passenger list below Sailed after 13 Feb. 1659 [JJ], on 12 Feb 1659 [NWI], arrived New Amsterdam before 5 May 1659 Names of interest in larger font: . Jan Woutersen, from Ravesteyn; shoemaker, and wife and daughter . Catalyntje Cranenburg; maiden . Jan van Coppenol, from Remsen; farmer and wife and 2 children . Matthys Roelofs, from Denmark,and wife and child . Sophia Roeloffs . Geertruy Jochems, from Hamburgh; Wife of Claes Claessen from Amersfoort, now in N. Netherland; and two children . Peter Corneliss, from Holsteyn; Labourer . Peter Jacobs, from Holsteyn . Josyntje Verhagen, from Middelburg, and daughter . Saertge Hendricks, from Delft . Egbert Meynderts, from Amsterdam, and wife and child and servant . Jan Leurens Noorman and wife . Harmen Coerten, from Voorhuysen and wife and 5 children . Magalantje Teunis, from Voorhuysen . Feytje Dircks . Gillis Jansen van Garder and Wife and four children . Bastiaen Clement, from Doornick . Adriaen Fournoi, from Valenciennes . Jannetje Eyckers, from East Friesland . Joris Jorissen Townsen, from Redfort; mason . Nicholas Gillissen Marschal . Wouter gerritsen van Kootuyck . Jan Jacobsen, from Utrecht; farmer, and wife, mother and two children . Arent Francken van Iperen . Dennys Isacksen, from Wyck by Daurstede . Weyntje Martens van Gorehem . Vroutje Gerrits, wife of Cosyn Gerritsen; Wheelwright . Jan Dircksen, from Alckmaer and Wife and three children . Nettert Jansen, from Embden . Epke Jacobs, from Harlingen; farmer and wife and five sons . Stoffiel Gerritsen from Laer [ENN: On May 2, 1660 Adriaen van laer, his brother, settles his account] . Jan Meynderts, from Iperen; farmer and wife . Jan Barents Ameshof, from Amsterdam . Symon Drune from Henegouw . Hendrick Harmensen, from Amsterdam . Evert Cornellissen from the vicinity of Amersfoort . Laurens Jacobs van der Wielen . Jannetje Theunis van Ysseltstein . Jan Roelofsen, van Naerden; farmer . Jacob Hendricks, from the Highland, and maidservant . Goossen van Twiller, from New-Kerk . Lawrens Janssen, from Wormer . Jan Harmens from Amersfoort; Taylor, and wife and four children . Evert Marschal; glasier, from Amsterdam and wife and daughter . Boele Roelofsen, Joncker, and wife and four children, besides his Wife's sister and a boy Name: Sara Teunis Marriage Date: 1664 Marriage Place: New York City, New York Passengers aboard the De Trouw in 1664 . Maarcelis Jansen van Bommel; farmer . Evert Tack, from the Barony of Breda . Lysbet Arens, from Amsterdam, and child [re NWI- child 8 years old] . Johannis Hardenbroeck, from Elberveld, and Wife and four children [re NWI children were 8,6,5 and 3] . Janneken Juriaensen, from Gorcum . Corneliss Cornelissen Vernoey, and Wife and sucking child . Lysbet de Roode, from Dantzick, Wife of John Saline, and child [re NWI child was 3 years old] . Sara Teunis We can add the following names as found in Abstracts from Notarial Documents in the Amsterdam Archives by Pim Nieuwenhuis published in New Netherland Connections in series Vol. 4:3,4; Vol. 5:1-3 . Daniel de Hondecoutre, bachelor, engaged by Pieter van den Beilcken merchant in Leyden for 4 years to trade on his behalf in New Netherland [NNC] . Norbardus Bodas, soldier from Antwerp, in service of WIC [NNC] -----Original Message----- From: Linda Schwenn [mailto:schwel@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 5:35 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: [VANNORMAN] Dirk Jansz I received the information below from Janice Walters in about 2006. I have not followed up on any of it and only send it on today because of all the current interest. I have NOT documented this information, but have found duplication of names on other Ancestry.com trees, including Susan Claggett's. Of special interest to me is the addition that he was an officer in the military, suggesting to me that soldiering was in the family. Another researcher wrote that Dirk was "an officer under William II, Prince of Oranje, Count of Nassau," perhaps an example of redundant error...or fact? *Individual Report for Dirk Jansz Van Arnhem VA* *Individual Summary:* *Dirk Jansz Van Arnhem VA* Sex: Male Father: Jan Derryckssen Mother: Gerriken Beecken *Individual Facts:* Birth: Abt. 1615 in Arnhem, Gelderland, Holland Reference ID: 33 Death: Arnhem, Gelderland, Holland Military Service: officer under General Count von Nassau *Shared Facts:* *Magdalena Jans* Marriage: 22 Apr 1638 in Arnhem, Gelderland, Holland Reference ID: 1692 Children: Dirrecxken Van Arnhem VA Jan Dirckszen Van Arnhem VA Joris Van Arnhem VA Hendrik Van Arnhem VA Marricken Van Arnhem VA *Notes:* Person Notes: [jwlaters62[1] VN1.FTW] Was an officer under General County Von Nassau. Was a soldier with Rembrandt's brother, Saloman, who was the subject in "Man in a Golden Helmet". ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I received the information below from Janice Walters in about 2006. I have not followed up on any of it and only send it on today because of all the current interest. I have NOT documented this information, but have found duplication of names on other Ancestry.com trees, including Susan Claggett's. Of special interest to me is the addition that he was an officer in the military, suggesting to me that soldiering was in the family. Another researcher wrote that Dirk was "an officer under William II, Prince of Oranje, Count of Nassau," perhaps an example of redundant error...or fact? *Individual Report for Dirk Jansz Van Arnhem VA* *Individual Summary:* *Dirk Jansz Van Arnhem VA* Sex: Male Father: Jan Derryckssen Mother: Gerriken Beecken *Individual Facts:* Birth: Abt. 1615 in Arnhem, Gelderland, Holland Reference ID: 33 Death: Arnhem, Gelderland, Holland Military Service: officer under General Count von Nassau *Shared Facts:* *Magdalena Jans* Marriage: 22 Apr 1638 in Arnhem, Gelderland, Holland Reference ID: 1692 Children: Dirrecxken Van Arnhem VA Jan Dirckszen Van Arnhem VA Joris Van Arnhem VA Hendrik Van Arnhem VA Marricken Van Arnhem VA *Notes:* Person Notes: [jwlaters62[1] VN1.FTW] Was an officer under General County Von Nassau. Was a soldier with Rembrandt's brother, Saloman, who was the subject in "Man in a Golden Helmet".

http://www.gemeentearchief.rotterdam.nl/content/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=57 Records of reformed church of Rotterdam. I've been unable to locate a Sara Theunis/Teunis, or Sara d/o Theunis/Teunis being born between 1635 and 1650. http://www.geneaknowhow.net/digi/resources.html For regions, Rotterdam is Zuid-Holland. Arnhem is Gelderland. On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Linda Schwenn <schwel@comcast.net> wrote: > http://geneaknowhow.net/digi/resources.html > > https://stadsarchief.amsterdam.nl/archieven/archiefbank/indexen/doopregisters/zoek/index.nl.html > http://stadsarchief.amsterdam.nl/home.nl.html > http://blog.traceyourdutchroots.com/ > > http://www.dutchgenealogy.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=48&Itemid=71 > [explains Dutch genealogical terms, etc.] > http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=86466430&map=0&page=0&ics=1 > > Linda Schwenn > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I disagree with Pete, in that I find it more likely she concieved on arrival. If conceived upon arrival, Dirkjz would have been premature about 3, maybe 4 weeks. Personally, I think this is more likely than onboard (he points out the difficulites of enroute). Regardless, even if she conceived on arrival, I agree it's probable she met the father onboard. Or she could have been raped. There is known to have been one soldier onboard De Trouw (1664), and where there's one, there's more. (Norbardus Bodas, soldier from Antwerp.) On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Pete Gonigam <gonigam@hotmail.com> wrote: > More reliable due to Lorrine's high standards: > > http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/nn/mm_intro.shtml > > Here's DeTrouw 1664: > > http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/nnship34.shtml > > DeTrouw made the trip with some regularity. The last one before the Dutch > surrender of New Amsterdam left Netherlands Jan. 19, 1664, arriving Apr. > 17. 1664. > > That 1659 voyage with 108 passengers listed, however, provides some sort of > measure of the actual capacity of De Trouw. There could have been many > more aboard on the 1664 voyage than the 13 adults and 7 children known from > the ship's books and notarial records. > > --pete > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Claggett" <claimtofame@claggett6.com> > To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 4:11 PM > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen New > AmsterdamBaptismsfrom1639-1730 > > > > Pete are we talking about the same sailing of the De Trouw? This > > reference > > says it arrived in 1659 and Dirckje was baptized in 1664. > > > > Susan > > > > Amsterdam, Netherlands to New Netherland (New York) sailed 12 February > > 1659 > > arrived May 1659 > > Captain: Jan Jansen Bestevaer > > De Trouw (In The Faith) sailed from Amsterdam February 12, 1659 under > > Captain Jan Jansen Bestevaer arriving at New Amsterdam May, 1659. > > http://www.immigrantships.net/v10/1600v10/detrouw16590500.html > > > > BAPTISMS OF 1664 > > 31 Dec; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Dirckje; Tryntie Grevenraedt > > > > BAPTISMS OF 1669 > > Aug; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Magdalena; Jilles Joosten, Maria > Wouters > > > > BAPTISMS OF 1671 > > 4 Jun; Jan Dircxzen Van Aernhem, Sara; Jan; Jan Laurenszen Duyts, Mayken > > Laurens > > > > BAPTISMS OF 1673 > > 9 Apr; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Abraham; Jean le Maistre, Susanna Le > > Maistre > > > > BAPTISMS OF 1675 > > 14 Jul; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Thomas; Marie; Willem Van Leyden ??? > > > > BAPTISMS OF 1677 > > 26 Sept; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Catharina; David Hendrickszen, > > Tryntie > > Hercks > > > > BAPTISMS OF 1680 > > 3 Apr; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Isaac and Jacob (twins); Daniel > > Terneur, > > Hester de La Maistre, Marritie Pieters > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pete Gonigam [mailto:gonigam@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 3:25 PM > > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen New Amsterdam > > Baptismsfrom1639-1730 > > > > Please look for my post a few months ago about Pym Van Arnhem's > > Netherland-based web page. > > > > Jan Dircks (Van Arnhem) isn't any of the many other Jan Dircks's during > > the > > period in New Amsterdam. In the first place most of them have their own > > documented histories, anyway. More important, though, look at the date > of > > baptism of Jan Dircks' first child, daughter Dirkje. Then look at the > > date > > > > De Trouw reached port. Unless you resort to unneccessarily complicated > > explanations, Sara Theunis was at least a month pregnant when when she > > disembarked the ship which had been at sea for three months. Again, > > unless > > you resort to complicated ( indeed, wholly unlikely) explanations, Jan > > Dircks is the guy who made her that way so he was on the ship, too. > > > > De Trouw and Gekruyste Hart both left Amsterdam within a day of each > other > > at the wrong time of the year for the voyage. However, it was the right > > time of year for WIC to send about 200 soldiers to New Amsterdam to > > protect > > against an anticipated attack by the British. > > > > There's no record I can find that soldiers were aboard the two ships but > > the > > > > ships had to have been carrying something. There are indications the > New > > Amsterdam garrison was considerably larger after the ships had arrived. > > > > Stuyvesant in Jan 1664 had sent a letter to the company requesting 400 > > reinforcements but he was at the end of the news chain and the WIC > > directors were at the front end. They could read the tea leaves as well > > as > > he could and long before he even got a squint at them in any case. > > > > Don't ask me how Jan Dircks and Sara managed to do it on a little ship > > packed with a company of soldiers in the middle of the Atlantic in > Winter. > > "Love laughs at locks," and a lot of other impediments if I recall the > > days > > of my youth correctly. (There's a remote chance the ships might have > > dropped reinforcements at Guyana or the Antilles before swinging north to > > New Amsterdam; I haven't been able to figure out an average length of > time > > for a winter crossing because it's not clear if there ever were any > > others.) > > > > There should be WIC and notarial records on all this. However they're > > going > > > > to be in Dutch and they're going to be in the Netherlands. Assuming they > > survived 350 years of fires, floods, bugs, rats and God knows what else > in > > the first place. > > > > I'd really love to know who in New Amsterdam paid Sara's passage on > > DeTrouw > > (the only reason we know about it at all is that it wasn't paid at the > > Amsterdam end) but I've never been able to find that. > > > > --pete > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Susan Claggett" <claimtofame@claggett6.com> > > To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 1:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen New Amsterdam Baptisms > > from1639-1730 > > > > > >> This is interesting. Note the name Tryntie again below. Jan Dircksen > >> van > >> Bremen's wife was Catharine Tryntie Dircksen (Andriesen). Does anyone > >> think > >> we may be looking at the same person in Jan Dircksen van Bremen and our > >> Jan > >> Dirckszen who was married to Sara Theunis? Was she his second wife? > >> > >> 1664 Dec 31; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Dirckje; Tryntie Grevenraedt > >> > >> I don't think I have ever visited this page before of early baptismal > >> records. Maybe I have? The all start to blend together. Lots of Jan > >> Dirckszen hits at the below link. > >> > >> Susan > >> > >> http://longislandgenealogy.com/baptisms/baps.html > >> > >> New Amsterdam Baptisms from 1639-1730 > >> These are complete to the end of 1730 as per Vol II of the > >> Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, > 1901'. > >> Originally appearing on the site of Robert L. Billard > >> You can visit his site at > >> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~rbillard/index.htm > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] > >> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 12:18 PM > >> To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen > >> > >> > >> > >> Immigrants to New Netherlands 1623-64 > >> > >> > > > http://www.family-crests.com/family-crest-coat-of-arms/surnames-7-7/immigran > >> ts-to-new-netherlands-1623.html > >> > >> > >> > >> Jan Dircksz from Bremen > >> > >> > >> > >> Scandinavian Immigrants in New York > >> 1630-1674 > >> > >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nycoloni/evjen/407evj.html > >> > >> Interesting description of Jan Dircksen from Bremen at above link midway > >> down the page. His wife's name was Tryntie Anders. Just below Jan > >> Dircksen > >> is a Lucas Dircksen from Berg German married to Annetje Cornelis. > >> > >> > >> > >> Jan Van Bremen Dircksen's Details > >> > >> http://www.geni.com/people/Jan-Dircksen/5039393853980077705 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Birthdate: > >> > >> 1620 > >> > >> > >> Birthplace: > >> > >> Bremen, Germany > >> > >> > >> Death: > >> > >> Died September 15, 1668 in Albany, New York > >> > >> > >> Occupation: > >> > >> IMMIGRATION: 1638 From Texel to New Amsterdam (New York City)HET WAPEN > >> VAN > >> NOORWEGEN ([THE SHIP] Arms of Norway)Sailed from the Texel about 12 May > >> 1638, arrived New Amsterdam before 4 August1638 [as per the account > >> submitted by Cornelis Melyn against Kili > >> > >> > >> Added by: > >> > >> Brian <http://www.geni.com/people/Brian-Carrigan/311175475190004578> > >> Carrigan on January 27, 2008 > >> > >> > >> Managed by: > >> > >> Brian <http://www.geni.com/people/Brian-Carrigan/311175475190004578> > >> Peter > >> Carrigan > >> > >> > >> Last Updated: > >> > >> October 26, 2008 > >> > >> Catharine Tryntie Dircksen (Andriesen)'s Family > >> > >> > >> Immediate Family: > >> > >> Daughter of ? Andriesen > >> <http://www.geni.com/people/-Andriesen/5039425191680040209> and ? > >> <http://www.geni.com/people/-Andriesen/5039425205520040215> Andriesen > >> Wife of Jan < > http://www.geni.com/people/Jan-Dircksen/5039393853980077705> > >> Dircksen > >> Mother of Sara > >> <http://www.geni.com/people/Sara-Gardenier/5039346657760037507> > >> Gardenier > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] > >> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 4:57 AM > >> To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen > >> > >> > >> > >> Has anyone come across this before? Could this be anything? Jan > >> Dircksen > >> > >> van Bremen > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > http://www.archive.org/stream/16301897briefhis00rose/16301897briefhis00rose_ > >> > >> djvu.txt > >> > >> > >> > >> Preserved among the Fort Orange Records of date 1660, May > >> > >> 27, is the "petition of Jan Dircksen van Bremen, Albert James von > >> > >> Volekenburgh, et al., praying that Dutch as well as Indians brokers > >> > >> be employed to trade with the Indians," and among the names ap- > >> > >> pended is " Henderick Roseboom." The other party were for pro- > >> > >> hibiting all Europeans, " Christians," from treading the forest paths, > >> > >> thus excluding civilization. The first date after this is Sept. 13, > >> > >> 1662, when he purchased a house and lot "in the village of Bever- > >> > >> wyck, on the hill," and from this time on his name is found in num- > >> > >> erous authentic documents in the annals of Albany. The property > >> > >> mentioned was of historical interest, having been patented to Pieter > >> > >> Bronck. "As it stands with all that is fast by earth and nailed, > >> > >> and a? great as the patent thereof mentions," it was conveyed by > >> > >> Reyndert Pieterse (Bronck?) and Jacob Herick (Gerick), "for the > >> > >> sum of 550 guilders, payable in good merchantable beavers, at eight > >> > >> guilders apiece, in two installments, in July '63 and '64," the two > >> > >> "sellers" setting their "marks," but Rooseboom writing hi^ name > >> > >> with his own hand. November 16, of that year, he is surety with > >> > >> J. J. Schermerhooren for Jurriaen Janssen in the purchase of a house > >> > >> from the estate of Andries Herbertsen, for the benefit of the > >> > >> widow. > >> > >> > >> > >> The exact situations of the ancient properties in Albany have > >> > >> been carefully ascertained and mapped, so that we can fix the pre- > >> > >> cise spot where this ancestor lived. It lay on the east side of Norlli > >> > >> Pearl street, northward of Maiden Lane. The palisades constitu- > >> > >> ting the northerly fortifications of the settlement passed through the > >> > >> middle of the land-plat, and the name of " Roseboom's gate" was > >> > >> o-iven to the exit which existed at that point, the "Burghers' block- > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

More reliable due to Lorrine's high standards: http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/nn/mm_intro.shtml Here's DeTrouw 1664: http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/nnship34.shtml DeTrouw made the trip with some regularity. The last one before the Dutch surrender of New Amsterdam left Netherlands Jan. 19, 1664, arriving Apr. 17. 1664. That 1659 voyage with 108 passengers listed, however, provides some sort of measure of the actual capacity of De Trouw. There could have been many more aboard on the 1664 voyage than the 13 adults and 7 children known from the ship's books and notarial records. --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Claggett" <claimtofame@claggett6.com> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen New AmsterdamBaptismsfrom1639-1730 > Pete are we talking about the same sailing of the De Trouw? This > reference > says it arrived in 1659 and Dirckje was baptized in 1664. > > Susan > > Amsterdam, Netherlands to New Netherland (New York) sailed 12 February > 1659 > arrived May 1659 > Captain: Jan Jansen Bestevaer > De Trouw (In The Faith) sailed from Amsterdam February 12, 1659 under > Captain Jan Jansen Bestevaer arriving at New Amsterdam May, 1659. > http://www.immigrantships.net/v10/1600v10/detrouw16590500.html > > BAPTISMS OF 1664 > 31 Dec; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Dirckje; Tryntie Grevenraedt > > BAPTISMS OF 1669 > Aug; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Magdalena; Jilles Joosten, Maria Wouters > > BAPTISMS OF 1671 > 4 Jun; Jan Dircxzen Van Aernhem, Sara; Jan; Jan Laurenszen Duyts, Mayken > Laurens > > BAPTISMS OF 1673 > 9 Apr; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Abraham; Jean le Maistre, Susanna Le > Maistre > > BAPTISMS OF 1675 > 14 Jul; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Thomas; Marie; Willem Van Leyden ??? > > BAPTISMS OF 1677 > 26 Sept; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Catharina; David Hendrickszen, > Tryntie > Hercks > > BAPTISMS OF 1680 > 3 Apr; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Isaac and Jacob (twins); Daniel > Terneur, > Hester de La Maistre, Marritie Pieters > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pete Gonigam [mailto:gonigam@hotmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 3:25 PM > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen New Amsterdam > Baptismsfrom1639-1730 > > Please look for my post a few months ago about Pym Van Arnhem's > Netherland-based web page. > > Jan Dircks (Van Arnhem) isn't any of the many other Jan Dircks's during > the > period in New Amsterdam. In the first place most of them have their own > documented histories, anyway. More important, though, look at the date of > baptism of Jan Dircks' first child, daughter Dirkje. Then look at the > date > > De Trouw reached port. Unless you resort to unneccessarily complicated > explanations, Sara Theunis was at least a month pregnant when when she > disembarked the ship which had been at sea for three months. Again, > unless > you resort to complicated ( indeed, wholly unlikely) explanations, Jan > Dircks is the guy who made her that way so he was on the ship, too. > > De Trouw and Gekruyste Hart both left Amsterdam within a day of each other > at the wrong time of the year for the voyage. However, it was the right > time of year for WIC to send about 200 soldiers to New Amsterdam to > protect > against an anticipated attack by the British. > > There's no record I can find that soldiers were aboard the two ships but > the > > ships had to have been carrying something. There are indications the New > Amsterdam garrison was considerably larger after the ships had arrived. > > Stuyvesant in Jan 1664 had sent a letter to the company requesting 400 > reinforcements but he was at the end of the news chain and the WIC > directors were at the front end. They could read the tea leaves as well > as > he could and long before he even got a squint at them in any case. > > Don't ask me how Jan Dircks and Sara managed to do it on a little ship > packed with a company of soldiers in the middle of the Atlantic in Winter. > "Love laughs at locks," and a lot of other impediments if I recall the > days > of my youth correctly. (There's a remote chance the ships might have > dropped reinforcements at Guyana or the Antilles before swinging north to > New Amsterdam; I haven't been able to figure out an average length of time > for a winter crossing because it's not clear if there ever were any > others.) > > There should be WIC and notarial records on all this. However they're > going > > to be in Dutch and they're going to be in the Netherlands. Assuming they > survived 350 years of fires, floods, bugs, rats and God knows what else in > the first place. > > I'd really love to know who in New Amsterdam paid Sara's passage on > DeTrouw > (the only reason we know about it at all is that it wasn't paid at the > Amsterdam end) but I've never been able to find that. > > --pete > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Claggett" <claimtofame@claggett6.com> > To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 1:36 PM > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen New Amsterdam Baptisms > from1639-1730 > > >> This is interesting. Note the name Tryntie again below. Jan Dircksen >> van >> Bremen's wife was Catharine Tryntie Dircksen (Andriesen). Does anyone >> think >> we may be looking at the same person in Jan Dircksen van Bremen and our >> Jan >> Dirckszen who was married to Sara Theunis? Was she his second wife? >> >> 1664 Dec 31; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Dirckje; Tryntie Grevenraedt >> >> I don't think I have ever visited this page before of early baptismal >> records. Maybe I have? The all start to blend together. Lots of Jan >> Dirckszen hits at the below link. >> >> Susan >> >> http://longislandgenealogy.com/baptisms/baps.html >> >> New Amsterdam Baptisms from 1639-1730 >> These are complete to the end of 1730 as per Vol II of the >> Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, 1901'. >> Originally appearing on the site of Robert L. Billard >> You can visit his site at >> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~rbillard/index.htm >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] >> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 12:18 PM >> To: vannorman@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen >> >> >> >> Immigrants to New Netherlands 1623-64 >> >> > http://www.family-crests.com/family-crest-coat-of-arms/surnames-7-7/immigran >> ts-to-new-netherlands-1623.html >> >> >> >> Jan Dircksz from Bremen >> >> >> >> Scandinavian Immigrants in New York >> 1630-1674 >> >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nycoloni/evjen/407evj.html >> >> Interesting description of Jan Dircksen from Bremen at above link midway >> down the page. His wife's name was Tryntie Anders. Just below Jan >> Dircksen >> is a Lucas Dircksen from Berg German married to Annetje Cornelis. >> >> >> >> Jan Van Bremen Dircksen's Details >> >> http://www.geni.com/people/Jan-Dircksen/5039393853980077705 >> >> >> >> >> Birthdate: >> >> 1620 >> >> >> Birthplace: >> >> Bremen, Germany >> >> >> Death: >> >> Died September 15, 1668 in Albany, New York >> >> >> Occupation: >> >> IMMIGRATION: 1638 From Texel to New Amsterdam (New York City)HET WAPEN >> VAN >> NOORWEGEN ([THE SHIP] Arms of Norway)Sailed from the Texel about 12 May >> 1638, arrived New Amsterdam before 4 August1638 [as per the account >> submitted by Cornelis Melyn against Kili >> >> >> Added by: >> >> Brian <http://www.geni.com/people/Brian-Carrigan/311175475190004578> >> Carrigan on January 27, 2008 >> >> >> Managed by: >> >> Brian <http://www.geni.com/people/Brian-Carrigan/311175475190004578> >> Peter >> Carrigan >> >> >> Last Updated: >> >> October 26, 2008 >> >> Catharine Tryntie Dircksen (Andriesen)'s Family >> >> >> Immediate Family: >> >> Daughter of ? Andriesen >> <http://www.geni.com/people/-Andriesen/5039425191680040209> and ? >> <http://www.geni.com/people/-Andriesen/5039425205520040215> Andriesen >> Wife of Jan <http://www.geni.com/people/Jan-Dircksen/5039393853980077705> >> Dircksen >> Mother of Sara >> <http://www.geni.com/people/Sara-Gardenier/5039346657760037507> >> Gardenier >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] >> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 4:57 AM >> To: vannorman@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen >> >> >> >> Has anyone come across this before? Could this be anything? Jan >> Dircksen >> >> van Bremen >> >> >> >> > http://www.archive.org/stream/16301897briefhis00rose/16301897briefhis00rose_ >> >> djvu.txt >> >> >> >> Preserved among the Fort Orange Records of date 1660, May >> >> 27, is the "petition of Jan Dircksen van Bremen, Albert James von >> >> Volekenburgh, et al., praying that Dutch as well as Indians brokers >> >> be employed to trade with the Indians," and among the names ap- >> >> pended is " Henderick Roseboom." The other party were for pro- >> >> hibiting all Europeans, " Christians," from treading the forest paths, >> >> thus excluding civilization. The first date after this is Sept. 13, >> >> 1662, when he purchased a house and lot "in the village of Bever- >> >> wyck, on the hill," and from this time on his name is found in num- >> >> erous authentic documents in the annals of Albany. The property >> >> mentioned was of historical interest, having been patented to Pieter >> >> Bronck. "As it stands with all that is fast by earth and nailed, >> >> and a? great as the patent thereof mentions," it was conveyed by >> >> Reyndert Pieterse (Bronck?) and Jacob Herick (Gerick), "for the >> >> sum of 550 guilders, payable in good merchantable beavers, at eight >> >> guilders apiece, in two installments, in July '63 and '64," the two >> >> "sellers" setting their "marks," but Rooseboom writing hi^ name >> >> with his own hand. November 16, of that year, he is surety with >> >> J. J. Schermerhooren for Jurriaen Janssen in the purchase of a house >> >> from the estate of Andries Herbertsen, for the benefit of the >> >> widow. >> >> >> >> The exact situations of the ancient properties in Albany have >> >> been carefully ascertained and mapped, so that we can fix the pre- >> >> cise spot where this ancestor lived. It lay on the east side of Norlli >> >> Pearl street, northward of Maiden Lane. The palisades constitu- >> >> ting the northerly fortifications of the settlement passed through the >> >> middle of the land-plat, and the name of " Roseboom's gate" was >> >> o-iven to the exit which existed at that point, the "Burghers' block- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Pete are we talking about the same sailing of the De Trouw? This reference says it arrived in 1659 and Dirckje was baptized in 1664. Susan Amsterdam, Netherlands to New Netherland (New York) sailed 12 February 1659 arrived May 1659 Captain: Jan Jansen Bestevaer De Trouw (In The Faith) sailed from Amsterdam February 12, 1659 under Captain Jan Jansen Bestevaer arriving at New Amsterdam May, 1659. http://www.immigrantships.net/v10/1600v10/detrouw16590500.html BAPTISMS OF 1664 31 Dec; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Dirckje; Tryntie Grevenraedt BAPTISMS OF 1669 Aug; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Magdalena; Jilles Joosten, Maria Wouters BAPTISMS OF 1671 4 Jun; Jan Dircxzen Van Aernhem, Sara; Jan; Jan Laurenszen Duyts, Mayken Laurens BAPTISMS OF 1673 9 Apr; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Abraham; Jean le Maistre, Susanna Le Maistre BAPTISMS OF 1675 14 Jul; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Thomas; Marie; Willem Van Leyden ??? BAPTISMS OF 1677 26 Sept; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Catharina; David Hendrickszen, Tryntie Hercks BAPTISMS OF 1680 3 Apr; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Isaac and Jacob (twins); Daniel Terneur, Hester de La Maistre, Marritie Pieters -----Original Message----- From: Pete Gonigam [mailto:gonigam@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 3:25 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen New Amsterdam Baptismsfrom1639-1730 Please look for my post a few months ago about Pym Van Arnhem's Netherland-based web page. Jan Dircks (Van Arnhem) isn't any of the many other Jan Dircks's during the period in New Amsterdam. In the first place most of them have their own documented histories, anyway. More important, though, look at the date of baptism of Jan Dircks' first child, daughter Dirkje. Then look at the date De Trouw reached port. Unless you resort to unneccessarily complicated explanations, Sara Theunis was at least a month pregnant when when she disembarked the ship which had been at sea for three months. Again, unless you resort to complicated ( indeed, wholly unlikely) explanations, Jan Dircks is the guy who made her that way so he was on the ship, too. De Trouw and Gekruyste Hart both left Amsterdam within a day of each other at the wrong time of the year for the voyage. However, it was the right time of year for WIC to send about 200 soldiers to New Amsterdam to protect against an anticipated attack by the British. There's no record I can find that soldiers were aboard the two ships but the ships had to have been carrying something. There are indications the New Amsterdam garrison was considerably larger after the ships had arrived. Stuyvesant in Jan 1664 had sent a letter to the company requesting 400 reinforcements but he was at the end of the news chain and the WIC directors were at the front end. They could read the tea leaves as well as he could and long before he even got a squint at them in any case. Don't ask me how Jan Dircks and Sara managed to do it on a little ship packed with a company of soldiers in the middle of the Atlantic in Winter. "Love laughs at locks," and a lot of other impediments if I recall the days of my youth correctly. (There's a remote chance the ships might have dropped reinforcements at Guyana or the Antilles before swinging north to New Amsterdam; I haven't been able to figure out an average length of time for a winter crossing because it's not clear if there ever were any others.) There should be WIC and notarial records on all this. However they're going to be in Dutch and they're going to be in the Netherlands. Assuming they survived 350 years of fires, floods, bugs, rats and God knows what else in the first place. I'd really love to know who in New Amsterdam paid Sara's passage on DeTrouw (the only reason we know about it at all is that it wasn't paid at the Amsterdam end) but I've never been able to find that. --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Claggett" <claimtofame@claggett6.com> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen New Amsterdam Baptisms from1639-1730 > This is interesting. Note the name Tryntie again below. Jan Dircksen van > Bremen's wife was Catharine Tryntie Dircksen (Andriesen). Does anyone > think > we may be looking at the same person in Jan Dircksen van Bremen and our > Jan > Dirckszen who was married to Sara Theunis? Was she his second wife? > > 1664 Dec 31; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Dirckje; Tryntie Grevenraedt > > I don't think I have ever visited this page before of early baptismal > records. Maybe I have? The all start to blend together. Lots of Jan > Dirckszen hits at the below link. > > Susan > > http://longislandgenealogy.com/baptisms/baps.html > > New Amsterdam Baptisms from 1639-1730 > These are complete to the end of 1730 as per Vol II of the > Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, 1901'. > Originally appearing on the site of Robert L. Billard > You can visit his site at > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~rbillard/index.htm > > -----Original Message----- > From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 12:18 PM > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen > > > > Immigrants to New Netherlands 1623-64 > > http://www.family-crests.com/family-crest-coat-of-arms/surnames-7-7/immigran > ts-to-new-netherlands-1623.html > > > > Jan Dircksz from Bremen > > > > Scandinavian Immigrants in New York > 1630-1674 > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nycoloni/evjen/407evj.html > > Interesting description of Jan Dircksen from Bremen at above link midway > down the page. His wife's name was Tryntie Anders. Just below Jan > Dircksen > is a Lucas Dircksen from Berg German married to Annetje Cornelis. > > > > Jan Van Bremen Dircksen's Details > > http://www.geni.com/people/Jan-Dircksen/5039393853980077705 > > > > > Birthdate: > > 1620 > > > Birthplace: > > Bremen, Germany > > > Death: > > Died September 15, 1668 in Albany, New York > > > Occupation: > > IMMIGRATION: 1638 From Texel to New Amsterdam (New York City)HET WAPEN VAN > NOORWEGEN ([THE SHIP] Arms of Norway)Sailed from the Texel about 12 May > 1638, arrived New Amsterdam before 4 August1638 [as per the account > submitted by Cornelis Melyn against Kili > > > Added by: > > Brian <http://www.geni.com/people/Brian-Carrigan/311175475190004578> > Carrigan on January 27, 2008 > > > Managed by: > > Brian <http://www.geni.com/people/Brian-Carrigan/311175475190004578> > Peter > Carrigan > > > Last Updated: > > October 26, 2008 > > Catharine Tryntie Dircksen (Andriesen)'s Family > > > Immediate Family: > > Daughter of ? Andriesen > <http://www.geni.com/people/-Andriesen/5039425191680040209> and ? > <http://www.geni.com/people/-Andriesen/5039425205520040215> Andriesen > Wife of Jan <http://www.geni.com/people/Jan-Dircksen/5039393853980077705> > Dircksen > Mother of Sara > <http://www.geni.com/people/Sara-Gardenier/5039346657760037507> Gardenier > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 4:57 AM > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen > > > > Has anyone come across this before? Could this be anything? Jan Dircksen > > van Bremen > > > > http://www.archive.org/stream/16301897briefhis00rose/16301897briefhis00rose_ > > djvu.txt > > > > Preserved among the Fort Orange Records of date 1660, May > > 27, is the "petition of Jan Dircksen van Bremen, Albert James von > > Volekenburgh, et al., praying that Dutch as well as Indians brokers > > be employed to trade with the Indians," and among the names ap- > > pended is " Henderick Roseboom." The other party were for pro- > > hibiting all Europeans, " Christians," from treading the forest paths, > > thus excluding civilization. The first date after this is Sept. 13, > > 1662, when he purchased a house and lot "in the village of Bever- > > wyck, on the hill," and from this time on his name is found in num- > > erous authentic documents in the annals of Albany. The property > > mentioned was of historical interest, having been patented to Pieter > > Bronck. "As it stands with all that is fast by earth and nailed, > > and a? great as the patent thereof mentions," it was conveyed by > > Reyndert Pieterse (Bronck?) and Jacob Herick (Gerick), "for the > > sum of 550 guilders, payable in good merchantable beavers, at eight > > guilders apiece, in two installments, in July '63 and '64," the two > > "sellers" setting their "marks," but Rooseboom writing hi^ name > > with his own hand. November 16, of that year, he is surety with > > J. J. Schermerhooren for Jurriaen Janssen in the purchase of a house > > from the estate of Andries Herbertsen, for the benefit of the > > widow. > > > > The exact situations of the ancient properties in Albany have > > been carefully ascertained and mapped, so that we can fix the pre- > > cise spot where this ancestor lived. It lay on the east side of Norlli > > Pearl street, northward of Maiden Lane. The palisades constitu- > > ting the northerly fortifications of the settlement passed through the > > middle of the land-plat, and the name of " Roseboom's gate" was > > o-iven to the exit which existed at that point, the "Burghers' block- > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please look for my post a few months ago about Pym Van Arnhem's Netherland-based web page. Jan Dircks (Van Arnhem) isn't any of the many other Jan Dircks's during the period in New Amsterdam. In the first place most of them have their own documented histories, anyway. More important, though, look at the date of baptism of Jan Dircks' first child, daughter Dirkje. Then look at the date De Trouw reached port. Unless you resort to unneccessarily complicated explanations, Sara Theunis was at least a month pregnant when when she disembarked the ship which had been at sea for three months. Again, unless you resort to complicated ( indeed, wholly unlikely) explanations, Jan Dircks is the guy who made her that way so he was on the ship, too. De Trouw and Gekruyste Hart both left Amsterdam within a day of each other at the wrong time of the year for the voyage. However, it was the right time of year for WIC to send about 200 soldiers to New Amsterdam to protect against an anticipated attack by the British. There's no record I can find that soldiers were aboard the two ships but the ships had to have been carrying something. There are indications the New Amsterdam garrison was considerably larger after the ships had arrived. Stuyvesant in Jan 1664 had sent a letter to the company requesting 400 reinforcements but he was at the end of the news chain and the WIC directors were at the front end. They could read the tea leaves as well as he could and long before he even got a squint at them in any case. Don't ask me how Jan Dircks and Sara managed to do it on a little ship packed with a company of soldiers in the middle of the Atlantic in Winter. "Love laughs at locks," and a lot of other impediments if I recall the days of my youth correctly. (There's a remote chance the ships might have dropped reinforcements at Guyana or the Antilles before swinging north to New Amsterdam; I haven't been able to figure out an average length of time for a winter crossing because it's not clear if there ever were any others.) There should be WIC and notarial records on all this. However they're going to be in Dutch and they're going to be in the Netherlands. Assuming they survived 350 years of fires, floods, bugs, rats and God knows what else in the first place. I'd really love to know who in New Amsterdam paid Sara's passage on DeTrouw (the only reason we know about it at all is that it wasn't paid at the Amsterdam end) but I've never been able to find that. --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Claggett" <claimtofame@claggett6.com> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen New Amsterdam Baptisms from1639-1730 > This is interesting. Note the name Tryntie again below. Jan Dircksen van > Bremen's wife was Catharine Tryntie Dircksen (Andriesen). Does anyone > think > we may be looking at the same person in Jan Dircksen van Bremen and our > Jan > Dirckszen who was married to Sara Theunis? Was she his second wife? > > 1664 Dec 31; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Dirckje; Tryntie Grevenraedt > > I don't think I have ever visited this page before of early baptismal > records. Maybe I have? The all start to blend together. Lots of Jan > Dirckszen hits at the below link. > > Susan > > http://longislandgenealogy.com/baptisms/baps.html > > New Amsterdam Baptisms from 1639-1730 > These are complete to the end of 1730 as per Vol II of the > Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, 1901'. > Originally appearing on the site of Robert L. Billard > You can visit his site at > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~rbillard/index.htm > > -----Original Message----- > From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 12:18 PM > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen > > > > Immigrants to New Netherlands 1623-64 > > http://www.family-crests.com/family-crest-coat-of-arms/surnames-7-7/immigran > ts-to-new-netherlands-1623.html > > > > Jan Dircksz from Bremen > > > > Scandinavian Immigrants in New York > 1630-1674 > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nycoloni/evjen/407evj.html > > Interesting description of Jan Dircksen from Bremen at above link midway > down the page. His wife's name was Tryntie Anders. Just below Jan > Dircksen > is a Lucas Dircksen from Berg German married to Annetje Cornelis. > > > > Jan Van Bremen Dircksen's Details > > http://www.geni.com/people/Jan-Dircksen/5039393853980077705 > > > > > Birthdate: > > 1620 > > > Birthplace: > > Bremen, Germany > > > Death: > > Died September 15, 1668 in Albany, New York > > > Occupation: > > IMMIGRATION: 1638 From Texel to New Amsterdam (New York City)HET WAPEN VAN > NOORWEGEN ([THE SHIP] Arms of Norway)Sailed from the Texel about 12 May > 1638, arrived New Amsterdam before 4 August1638 [as per the account > submitted by Cornelis Melyn against Kili > > > Added by: > > Brian <http://www.geni.com/people/Brian-Carrigan/311175475190004578> > Carrigan on January 27, 2008 > > > Managed by: > > Brian <http://www.geni.com/people/Brian-Carrigan/311175475190004578> > Peter > Carrigan > > > Last Updated: > > October 26, 2008 > > Catharine Tryntie Dircksen (Andriesen)'s Family > > > Immediate Family: > > Daughter of ? Andriesen > <http://www.geni.com/people/-Andriesen/5039425191680040209> and ? > <http://www.geni.com/people/-Andriesen/5039425205520040215> Andriesen > Wife of Jan <http://www.geni.com/people/Jan-Dircksen/5039393853980077705> > Dircksen > Mother of Sara > <http://www.geni.com/people/Sara-Gardenier/5039346657760037507> Gardenier > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 4:57 AM > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen > > > > Has anyone come across this before? Could this be anything? Jan Dircksen > > van Bremen > > > > http://www.archive.org/stream/16301897briefhis00rose/16301897briefhis00rose_ > > djvu.txt > > > > Preserved among the Fort Orange Records of date 1660, May > > 27, is the "petition of Jan Dircksen van Bremen, Albert James von > > Volekenburgh, et al., praying that Dutch as well as Indians brokers > > be employed to trade with the Indians," and among the names ap- > > pended is " Henderick Roseboom." The other party were for pro- > > hibiting all Europeans, " Christians," from treading the forest paths, > > thus excluding civilization. The first date after this is Sept. 13, > > 1662, when he purchased a house and lot "in the village of Bever- > > wyck, on the hill," and from this time on his name is found in num- > > erous authentic documents in the annals of Albany. The property > > mentioned was of historical interest, having been patented to Pieter > > Bronck. "As it stands with all that is fast by earth and nailed, > > and a? great as the patent thereof mentions," it was conveyed by > > Reyndert Pieterse (Bronck?) and Jacob Herick (Gerick), "for the > > sum of 550 guilders, payable in good merchantable beavers, at eight > > guilders apiece, in two installments, in July '63 and '64," the two > > "sellers" setting their "marks," but Rooseboom writing hi^ name > > with his own hand. November 16, of that year, he is surety with > > J. J. Schermerhooren for Jurriaen Janssen in the purchase of a house > > from the estate of Andries Herbertsen, for the benefit of the > > widow. > > > > The exact situations of the ancient properties in Albany have > > been carefully ascertained and mapped, so that we can fix the pre- > > cise spot where this ancestor lived. It lay on the east side of Norlli > > Pearl street, northward of Maiden Lane. The palisades constitu- > > ting the northerly fortifications of the settlement passed through the > > middle of the land-plat, and the name of " Roseboom's gate" was > > o-iven to the exit which existed at that point, the "Burghers' block- > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nycoloni/renbioset2.html Jan Barentsz Wemp Nicknamed Poest; appears to have been in the colony as early as 1643 and for a time to have served under Cornelis Teunisz, from Breuckelen. From April 10, 1645, to June 11, 1646, he had charge of the patroon's farm called de Vlackte and during that period is credited with wages at the rate of f300 a year, for the services of himself and his wife. He left de Vlackte June 11, 1646, on account of some sporlingh met de wilden (trouble with the Indians) and Aug. 13, 1646, agreed to take charge of the saw- and grist-mill on the fifth creek for the term of five years beginning July 25, 1646, at wages of f13 a month and f100 a year for board. March 20, 1647, with Andries Herbertsz, he took a lease of land south of Jan Dircksz, from Bremen, and east of Albert Andriesz, along the creek of Castle Island and the mill (Normans) kill, for six years, at an annual rent of f275 from Nov. 1, 1647. Andries Herbertsz, however changed his plans and Jan Barentsz agreed to carry out the terms of the contract alone. He remained in possession of this farm till Nov. 1, 1654, when he took over the farm of Thomas Chambers situated on the east side of the river on what later became known as the Poesten Kill. Jan Barentsz obtained a lot adjoining the stockade and north of Thomas Jansz, Feb. 1, 1652, the rent to begin at Easter 1653. In 1661, he owned a house which was leased by Jeremias van Rensselaer for the use of the schout, Gerard Swart. Jan Barentsz died between May 18 and June 28, 1663. His widow married Sweer Theunisz, from Velsen, (near Arnhem), who was engaged in Holland, Nov. 9, 1660, as a farm hand for Jan Barentsz. Paulus Thomasz Testified Feb. 1, 1652, that he, Jan Dircksz, from Bremen, Pieter Teunisz, Compeer and other entered upon lands at Catskill on condition that they be free from taxes for ten years. Pieter Teunisz >From Brunswijck, (Germany); is first mentioned under date of March 28, 1648, as having taken farm implements, houses and cattle, formerly used by him and Crijn Cornelisz, with him to Catskill. In 1652 and 1653, Pieter Teunisz and Jan Dircksz, from Bremen, were summoned to appear before the court to settle their accounts Jan Barentsz Wemp Nicknamed Poest; appears to have been in the colony as early as 1643 and for a time to have served under Cornelis Teunisz, from Breuckelen. From April 10, 1645, to June 11, 1646, he had charge of the patroon's farm called de Vlackte and during that period is credited with wages at the rate of f300 a year, for the services of himself and his wife. He left de Vlackte June 11, 1646, on account of some sporlingh met de wilden (trouble with the Indians) and Aug. 13, 1646, agreed to take charge of the saw- and grist-mill on the fifth creek for the term of five years beginning July 25, 1646, at wages of f13 a month and f100 a year for board. March 20, 1647, with Andries Herbertsz, he took a lease of land south of Jan Dircksz, from Bremen, and east of Albert Andriesz, along the creek of Castle Island and the mill (Normans) kill, for six years, at an annual rent of f275 from Nov. 1, 1647. Andries Herbertsz, however changed his plans and Jan Barentsz agreed to carry out the terms of the contract alone. He remained in possession of this farm till Nov. 1, 1654, when he took over the farm of Thomas Chambers situated on the east side of the river on what later became known as the Poesten Kill. Jan Barentsz obtained a lot adjoining the stockade and north of Thomas Jansz, Feb. 1, 1652, the rent to begin at Easter 1653. In 1661, he owned a house which was leased by Jeremias van Rensselaer for the use of the schout, Gerard Swart. Jan Barentsz died between May 18 and June 28, 1663. His widow married Sweer Theunisz, from Velsen, (near Arnhem), who was engaged in Holland, Nov. 9, 1660, as a farm hand for Jan Barentsz. -----Original Message----- From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 12:18 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen Immigrants to New Netherlands 1623-64 http://www.family-crests.com/family-crest-coat-of-arms/surnames-7-7/immigran ts-to-new-netherlands-1623.html Jan Dircksz from Bremen Scandinavian Immigrants in New York 1630-1674 http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nycoloni/evjen/407evj.html Interesting description of Jan Dircksen from Bremen at above link midway down the page. His wife's name was Tryntie Anders. Just below Jan Dircksen is a Lucas Dircksen from Berg German married to Annetje Cornelis. Jan Van Bremen Dircksen's Details http://www.geni.com/people/Jan-Dircksen/5039393853980077705 Birthdate: 1620 Birthplace: Bremen, Germany Death: Died September 15, 1668 in Albany, New York Occupation: IMMIGRATION: 1638 From Texel to New Amsterdam (New York City)HET WAPEN VAN NOORWEGEN ([THE SHIP] Arms of Norway)Sailed from the Texel about 12 May 1638, arrived New Amsterdam before 4 August1638 [as per the account submitted by Cornelis Melyn against Kili Added by: Brian <http://www.geni.com/people/Brian-Carrigan/311175475190004578> Carrigan on January 27, 2008 Managed by: Brian <http://www.geni.com/people/Brian-Carrigan/311175475190004578> Peter Carrigan Last Updated: October 26, 2008 Catharine Tryntie Dircksen (Andriesen)'s Family Immediate Family: Daughter of ? Andriesen <http://www.geni.com/people/-Andriesen/5039425191680040209> and ? <http://www.geni.com/people/-Andriesen/5039425205520040215> Andriesen Wife of Jan <http://www.geni.com/people/Jan-Dircksen/5039393853980077705> Dircksen Mother of Sara <http://www.geni.com/people/Sara-Gardenier/5039346657760037507> Gardenier -----Original Message----- From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 4:57 AM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen Has anyone come across this before? Could this be anything? Jan Dircksen van Bremen http://www.archive.org/stream/16301897briefhis00rose/16301897briefhis00rose_ djvu.txt Preserved among the Fort Orange Records of date 1660, May 27, is the "petition of Jan Dircksen van Bremen, Albert James von Volekenburgh, et al., praying that Dutch as well as Indians brokers be employed to trade with the Indians," and among the names ap- pended is " Henderick Roseboom." The other party were for pro- hibiting all Europeans, " Christians," from treading the forest paths, thus excluding civilization. The first date after this is Sept. 13, 1662, when he purchased a house and lot "in the village of Bever- wyck, on the hill," and from this time on his name is found in num- erous authentic documents in the annals of Albany. The property mentioned was of historical interest, having been patented to Pieter Bronck. "As it stands with all that is fast by earth and nailed, and a? great as the patent thereof mentions," it was conveyed by Reyndert Pieterse (Bronck?) and Jacob Herick (Gerick), "for the sum of 550 guilders, payable in good merchantable beavers, at eight guilders apiece, in two installments, in July '63 and '64," the two "sellers" setting their "marks," but Rooseboom writing hi^ name with his own hand. November 16, of that year, he is surety with J. J. Schermerhooren for Jurriaen Janssen in the purchase of a house from the estate of Andries Herbertsen, for the benefit of the widow. The exact situations of the ancient properties in Albany have been carefully ascertained and mapped, so that we can fix the pre- cise spot where this ancestor lived. It lay on the east side of Norlli Pearl street, northward of Maiden Lane. The palisades constitu- ting the northerly fortifications of the settlement passed through the middle of the land-plat, and the name of " Roseboom's gate" was o-iven to the exit which existed at that point, the "Burghers' block- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

1652 Feb 25; Jan Dirckszen; Johannes; Hendrick Hendrickszen, Isaac Grevenraedt, Christina Andries, Grietie Jans -----Original Message----- From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 1:36 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen New Amsterdam Baptisms from1639-1730 This is interesting. Note the name Tryntie again below. Jan Dircksen van Bremen's wife was Catharine Tryntie Dircksen (Andriesen). Does anyone think we may be looking at the same person in Jan Dircksen van Bremen and our Jan Dirckszen who was married to Sara Theunis? Was she his second wife? 1664 Dec 31; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Dirckje; Tryntie Grevenraedt I don't think I have ever visited this page before of early baptismal records. Maybe I have? The all start to blend together. Lots of Jan Dirckszen hits at the below link. Susan http://longislandgenealogy.com/baptisms/baps.html New Amsterdam Baptisms from 1639-1730 These are complete to the end of 1730 as per Vol II of the Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, 1901'. Originally appearing on the site of Robert L. Billard You can visit his site at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~rbillard/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 12:18 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen Immigrants to New Netherlands 1623-64 http://www.family-crests.com/family-crest-coat-of-arms/surnames-7-7/immigran ts-to-new-netherlands-1623.html Jan Dircksz from Bremen Scandinavian Immigrants in New York 1630-1674 http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nycoloni/evjen/407evj.html Interesting description of Jan Dircksen from Bremen at above link midway down the page. His wife's name was Tryntie Anders. Just below Jan Dircksen is a Lucas Dircksen from Berg German married to Annetje Cornelis. Jan Van Bremen Dircksen's Details http://www.geni.com/people/Jan-Dircksen/5039393853980077705 Birthdate: 1620 Birthplace: Bremen, Germany Death: Died September 15, 1668 in Albany, New York Occupation: IMMIGRATION: 1638 From Texel to New Amsterdam (New York City)HET WAPEN VAN NOORWEGEN ([THE SHIP] Arms of Norway)Sailed from the Texel about 12 May 1638, arrived New Amsterdam before 4 August1638 [as per the account submitted by Cornelis Melyn against Kili Added by: Brian <http://www.geni.com/people/Brian-Carrigan/311175475190004578> Carrigan on January 27, 2008 Managed by: Brian <http://www.geni.com/people/Brian-Carrigan/311175475190004578> Peter Carrigan Last Updated: October 26, 2008 Catharine Tryntie Dircksen (Andriesen)'s Family Immediate Family: Daughter of ? Andriesen <http://www.geni.com/people/-Andriesen/5039425191680040209> and ? <http://www.geni.com/people/-Andriesen/5039425205520040215> Andriesen Wife of Jan <http://www.geni.com/people/Jan-Dircksen/5039393853980077705> Dircksen Mother of Sara <http://www.geni.com/people/Sara-Gardenier/5039346657760037507> Gardenier -----Original Message----- From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 4:57 AM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen Has anyone come across this before? Could this be anything? Jan Dircksen van Bremen http://www.archive.org/stream/16301897briefhis00rose/16301897briefhis00rose_ djvu.txt Preserved among the Fort Orange Records of date 1660, May 27, is the "petition of Jan Dircksen van Bremen, Albert James von Volekenburgh, et al., praying that Dutch as well as Indians brokers be employed to trade with the Indians," and among the names ap- pended is " Henderick Roseboom." The other party were for pro- hibiting all Europeans, " Christians," from treading the forest paths, thus excluding civilization. The first date after this is Sept. 13, 1662, when he purchased a house and lot "in the village of Bever- wyck, on the hill," and from this time on his name is found in num- erous authentic documents in the annals of Albany. The property mentioned was of historical interest, having been patented to Pieter Bronck. "As it stands with all that is fast by earth and nailed, and a? great as the patent thereof mentions," it was conveyed by Reyndert Pieterse (Bronck?) and Jacob Herick (Gerick), "for the sum of 550 guilders, payable in good merchantable beavers, at eight guilders apiece, in two installments, in July '63 and '64," the two "sellers" setting their "marks," but Rooseboom writing hi^ name with his own hand. November 16, of that year, he is surety with J. J. Schermerhooren for Jurriaen Janssen in the purchase of a house from the estate of Andries Herbertsen, for the benefit of the widow. The exact situations of the ancient properties in Albany have been carefully ascertained and mapped, so that we can fix the pre- cise spot where this ancestor lived. It lay on the east side of Norlli Pearl street, northward of Maiden Lane. The palisades constitu- ting the northerly fortifications of the settlement passed through the middle of the land-plat, and the name of " Roseboom's gate" was o-iven to the exit which existed at that point, the "Burghers' block- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

1671 Jun 04; Jan Dircxzen Van Aernhem, Sara Theunis; Jan; Jan Laurenszen Duyts, Mayken Laurens http://longislandgenealogy.com/baptisms/baps.html -----Original Message----- From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 1:36 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen New Amsterdam Baptisms from1639-1730 This is interesting. Note the name Tryntie again below. Jan Dircksen van Bremen's wife was Catharine Tryntie Dircksen (Andriesen). Does anyone think we may be looking at the same person in Jan Dircksen van Bremen and our Jan Dirckszen who was married to Sara Theunis? Was she his second wife? 1664 Dec 31; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Dirckje; Tryntie Grevenraedt I don't think I have ever visited this page before of early baptismal records. Maybe I have? The all start to blend together. Lots of Jan Dirckszen hits at the below link. Susan http://longislandgenealogy.com/baptisms/baps.html New Amsterdam Baptisms from 1639-1730 These are complete to the end of 1730 as per Vol II of the Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, 1901'. Originally appearing on the site of Robert L. Billard You can visit his site at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~rbillard/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 12:18 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen Immigrants to New Netherlands 1623-64 http://www.family-crests.com/family-crest-coat-of-arms/surnames-7-7/immigran ts-to-new-netherlands-1623.html Jan Dircksz from Bremen Scandinavian Immigrants in New York 1630-1674 http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nycoloni/evjen/407evj.html Interesting description of Jan Dircksen from Bremen at above link midway down the page. His wife's name was Tryntie Anders. Just below Jan Dircksen is a Lucas Dircksen from Berg German married to Annetje Cornelis. Jan Van Bremen Dircksen's Details http://www.geni.com/people/Jan-Dircksen/5039393853980077705 Birthdate: 1620 Birthplace: Bremen, Germany Death: Died September 15, 1668 in Albany, New York Occupation: IMMIGRATION: 1638 From Texel to New Amsterdam (New York City)HET WAPEN VAN NOORWEGEN ([THE SHIP] Arms of Norway)Sailed from the Texel about 12 May 1638, arrived New Amsterdam before 4 August1638 [as per the account submitted by Cornelis Melyn against Kili Added by: Brian <http://www.geni.com/people/Brian-Carrigan/311175475190004578> Carrigan on January 27, 2008 Managed by: Brian <http://www.geni.com/people/Brian-Carrigan/311175475190004578> Peter Carrigan Last Updated: October 26, 2008 Catharine Tryntie Dircksen (Andriesen)'s Family Immediate Family: Daughter of ? Andriesen <http://www.geni.com/people/-Andriesen/5039425191680040209> and ? <http://www.geni.com/people/-Andriesen/5039425205520040215> Andriesen Wife of Jan <http://www.geni.com/people/Jan-Dircksen/5039393853980077705> Dircksen Mother of Sara <http://www.geni.com/people/Sara-Gardenier/5039346657760037507> Gardenier -----Original Message----- From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 4:57 AM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen Has anyone come across this before? Could this be anything? Jan Dircksen van Bremen http://www.archive.org/stream/16301897briefhis00rose/16301897briefhis00rose_ djvu.txt Preserved among the Fort Orange Records of date 1660, May 27, is the "petition of Jan Dircksen van Bremen, Albert James von Volekenburgh, et al., praying that Dutch as well as Indians brokers be employed to trade with the Indians," and among the names ap- pended is " Henderick Roseboom." The other party were for pro- hibiting all Europeans, " Christians," from treading the forest paths, thus excluding civilization. The first date after this is Sept. 13, 1662, when he purchased a house and lot "in the village of Bever- wyck, on the hill," and from this time on his name is found in num- erous authentic documents in the annals of Albany. The property mentioned was of historical interest, having been patented to Pieter Bronck. "As it stands with all that is fast by earth and nailed, and a? great as the patent thereof mentions," it was conveyed by Reyndert Pieterse (Bronck?) and Jacob Herick (Gerick), "for the sum of 550 guilders, payable in good merchantable beavers, at eight guilders apiece, in two installments, in July '63 and '64," the two "sellers" setting their "marks," but Rooseboom writing hi^ name with his own hand. November 16, of that year, he is surety with J. J. Schermerhooren for Jurriaen Janssen in the purchase of a house from the estate of Andries Herbertsen, for the benefit of the widow. The exact situations of the ancient properties in Albany have been carefully ascertained and mapped, so that we can fix the pre- cise spot where this ancestor lived. It lay on the east side of Norlli Pearl street, northward of Maiden Lane. The palisades constitu- ting the northerly fortifications of the settlement passed through the middle of the land-plat, and the name of " Roseboom's gate" was o-iven to the exit which existed at that point, the "Burghers' block- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is interesting. Note the name Tryntie again below. Jan Dircksen van Bremen's wife was Catharine Tryntie Dircksen (Andriesen). Does anyone think we may be looking at the same person in Jan Dircksen van Bremen and our Jan Dirckszen who was married to Sara Theunis? Was she his second wife? 1664 Dec 31; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Dirckje; Tryntie Grevenraedt I don't think I have ever visited this page before of early baptismal records. Maybe I have? The all start to blend together. Lots of Jan Dirckszen hits at the below link. Susan http://longislandgenealogy.com/baptisms/baps.html New Amsterdam Baptisms from 1639-1730 These are complete to the end of 1730 as per Vol II of the Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, 1901'. Originally appearing on the site of Robert L. Billard You can visit his site at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~rbillard/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 12:18 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen Immigrants to New Netherlands 1623-64 http://www.family-crests.com/family-crest-coat-of-arms/surnames-7-7/immigran ts-to-new-netherlands-1623.html Jan Dircksz from Bremen Scandinavian Immigrants in New York 1630-1674 http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nycoloni/evjen/407evj.html Interesting description of Jan Dircksen from Bremen at above link midway down the page. His wife's name was Tryntie Anders. Just below Jan Dircksen is a Lucas Dircksen from Berg German married to Annetje Cornelis. Jan Van Bremen Dircksen's Details http://www.geni.com/people/Jan-Dircksen/5039393853980077705 Birthdate: 1620 Birthplace: Bremen, Germany Death: Died September 15, 1668 in Albany, New York Occupation: IMMIGRATION: 1638 From Texel to New Amsterdam (New York City)HET WAPEN VAN NOORWEGEN ([THE SHIP] Arms of Norway)Sailed from the Texel about 12 May 1638, arrived New Amsterdam before 4 August1638 [as per the account submitted by Cornelis Melyn against Kili Added by: Brian <http://www.geni.com/people/Brian-Carrigan/311175475190004578> Carrigan on January 27, 2008 Managed by: Brian <http://www.geni.com/people/Brian-Carrigan/311175475190004578> Peter Carrigan Last Updated: October 26, 2008 Catharine Tryntie Dircksen (Andriesen)'s Family Immediate Family: Daughter of ? Andriesen <http://www.geni.com/people/-Andriesen/5039425191680040209> and ? <http://www.geni.com/people/-Andriesen/5039425205520040215> Andriesen Wife of Jan <http://www.geni.com/people/Jan-Dircksen/5039393853980077705> Dircksen Mother of Sara <http://www.geni.com/people/Sara-Gardenier/5039346657760037507> Gardenier -----Original Message----- From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 4:57 AM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen Has anyone come across this before? Could this be anything? Jan Dircksen van Bremen http://www.archive.org/stream/16301897briefhis00rose/16301897briefhis00rose_ djvu.txt Preserved among the Fort Orange Records of date 1660, May 27, is the "petition of Jan Dircksen van Bremen, Albert James von Volekenburgh, et al., praying that Dutch as well as Indians brokers be employed to trade with the Indians," and among the names ap- pended is " Henderick Roseboom." The other party were for pro- hibiting all Europeans, " Christians," from treading the forest paths, thus excluding civilization. The first date after this is Sept. 13, 1662, when he purchased a house and lot "in the village of Bever- wyck, on the hill," and from this time on his name is found in num- erous authentic documents in the annals of Albany. The property mentioned was of historical interest, having been patented to Pieter Bronck. "As it stands with all that is fast by earth and nailed, and a? great as the patent thereof mentions," it was conveyed by Reyndert Pieterse (Bronck?) and Jacob Herick (Gerick), "for the sum of 550 guilders, payable in good merchantable beavers, at eight guilders apiece, in two installments, in July '63 and '64," the two "sellers" setting their "marks," but Rooseboom writing hi^ name with his own hand. November 16, of that year, he is surety with J. J. Schermerhooren for Jurriaen Janssen in the purchase of a house from the estate of Andries Herbertsen, for the benefit of the widow. The exact situations of the ancient properties in Albany have been carefully ascertained and mapped, so that we can fix the pre- cise spot where this ancestor lived. It lay on the east side of Norlli Pearl street, northward of Maiden Lane. The palisades constitu- ting the northerly fortifications of the settlement passed through the middle of the land-plat, and the name of " Roseboom's gate" was o-iven to the exit which existed at that point, the "Burghers' block- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Amsterdam, Netherlands to New Netherland (New York) sailed 12 February 1659 arrived May 1659 Captain: Jan Jansen Bestevaer De Trouw (In The Faith) sailed from Amsterdam February 12, 1659 under Captain Jan Jansen Bestevaer arriving at New Amsterdam May, 1659. http://www.immigrantships.net/v10/1600v10/detrouw16590500.html 1 - 6 6 children [no names], from the Almshouse 7 Adrian Fournoi (Fournie), from Valenciennes 8 Arent Francken (Franckese), from Ieveren (Jever), baker 9 Bastiaen Clement from Doornick 10 Boele Roelofsen, joncker (Boele Roeloffsz Jongerman) 11 Mrs. Roelofsen (wife) 12 - 14 three children ages 2 and 3 years and nursing child, 15 his wife's sister 16 a boy 14 years old 17 Catalyntje Cranenburg, maiden (Craneburen) 18 Dennys Isacksen from Wyk by Duurstede (Denys Isacksz) 19 Egbert Meynderts (Meyndertsen), from Amsterdam 20 Mrs. Meynderts (wife) 21 Child Meynderts (nursing child) 22 servant of the Meynderts family 23 Epke Jacobs (Jacobsen), from Harlingen - farmer (Epke Jacobs Banta) 24 Mrs. Jacobs (wife) 25 - 29 five sons ages 3/4, 2, 3, 4 and 6 years 30 Evert Cornellisz (Cornellissen), from the vicinity of Amersfoort 31 Evert Marschal from Amsterdam - glasier 32 Mrs. Marschal (wife) 33 daughter Marschal (12 years of age) 34 Feytje Dircks (Dircx) 35 Geertruy(t) Jochems from Hamburgh - wife of Claus Claussen from Amersfort now in New Netherland, 36 & 37 two children Claussen ages 4 1/2 and 7 years 38 Gillis Jansen from Garderen 39 Mrs. Jansen (wife) 40 - 44 four children jansen, ages 4 1/4, 5, 6 and 9 years (Gillis Jansen De Mandeville) 45 Goossen Van Twiller from Niewkerk 46 Harmen Coerten from Voorhuysen 47 Mrs. Coerten (wife) 48 - 52 five children Coerten, ages 5, 6, 8, 9 and 17 years 53 Hendrick Harmensen from Amsterdam 54 Jacob Hendricks (Hendicxsz), from the Highland (Hooghland) 55 maid servant of # 54 56 Jan Barents Ameshoff, from Amsterdam (Jan Barentsz Amelhofsen) 57 Jan Dircksen (Dircxsen), from Alckmaer 58 Mrs. Dircksen (wife) 59 - 61 three children Dircksen, ages 3/4, 8 and 15 years 62 Jan Harmens (Harmensz), from Amersfoort - tailor 63 Mrs. Harmens (wife) 64 - 67 four children Harmens, ages 5, 7, 8, and 9 years 68 Jan Jacobsen (Jacobs), from Utrecht - farmer 69 Mrs. Jacobsen (wife) 70 Mrs. Jacobsen (mother) 71 & 72 two children Jacobsen, ages 2 1/2 and 4 years 73 Jan Laurensen Noorman 74 Mrs. Noorman (wife) (Leurens, Lawrense) 75 Jan Meynderts (Meyndertsz) from Ieveren (Jever) - farmer 76 Belitje Plettenberg (wife of # 75) 77 Jan Roelofsen van Naerden, farmer (Jan Roeloffz from Naerden) 78 Jan Van Coppenol from Remsen (Ronson) - farmer 79 Mrs. van Coppenol (wife) 80 & 81 two children van Coppenol, ages 7 and 8 years 82 Jan Woutersen from Ravestein - shoemaker 83 Mrs. Woutersen (wife) 84 daughter Woutersen, 4 years old 85 Jannetje Eyckers from East Friesland 86 Jannetje Theunis van Ysselstein (Iselstein) (Jannetjen) 87 Joris Jorissen Townsen from Redfort - mason (Jorisz Toonson) 88 Josyntje Verhagen from Middelburg (Josyntgen) 89 daughter Verhagen, age 9 years 90 Laurens Jacobs van der Wielen 91 Laurens Janssen from Wormer 92 Magalantje Teunis from Voorhuysen (Magalentie) 93 Matthys Roelofs (Roelofsz), from Denmark 94 Aeltie Sybrantsen (wife of # 93) 95 child Roelofs, 3 yrs of age. 96 Nettert Jansen from Emden 97 Nicholas Gillissen Marschal, glazier (Nicholaes) 98 Peter Corneliss Low from Holstein - Laborer (Pieter Cornelisz Low) 99 Peter Jacobs, from Holstein, miller, (farm laborer) (Pieter Jacobsz) 100 Saertgen Hendricks (Hendricx), from Delft 101 Sophia Roeloffs 102 Stoffiel (Stoffel) Gerritsen Van Laer (brother of Adriaen Van Laer) 103 Symon De Ruine (Drune), from Henegouw 104 Magdalena Vanderstaaten (wife of # 103) 105 Tryntgen De Goeyer, maiden (Tryntie) 106 Vroutje Gerrits - wife of Cosyn Gerritsen wheelwright (Vroutgen Gerritsen) 107 Weyntje Martens from Gorkum 108 Wouter Gerritsen from Kootwyck (Wouter Gerritsz Van Kootuyck) For more information of the passengers aboard this ship, please visit Immigrants to New Netherlands -----Original Message----- From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 12:56 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen Texel immigrantship details Texel, West Friesland to New Amsterdam (New York) sailed in May 1638 arrived 4 August 1638 http://www.immigrantships.net/v10/1600v10/wapenvannoorwegen16380804.html Persons to the Colony of Rensselaerswyck: 1 Abraham Stevensz m ? ? New Amsterdam 2 Adriaen Cornelisz m foreman ? New Amsterdam 3 Claes Gijsbertsz m ? ? New Amsterdam 4 Jan Dircksz m ? Amersfoort, Prov.Utrecht New Amsterdam 5 Jan Michielsz m farmer Amersfoort,prov.Utrecht New Amsterdam 6 Michiel Jansz m farmer Scjrabbelercle, prov.Zeeland New Amsterdam 7 Rijck Rutgersz m farmer New Amsterdam 8 Symon Jansz Henypot m ? Munnickendam New Amsterdam 9 Teunis Dircksz Van Vechten m farmer Vechten near Utrecht New Amsterdam 10 Willem Meynten m farmer ? New Amsterdam For more information of the passengers aboard this ship, please visit Immigrants to New Netherlands -----Original Message----- From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 12:18 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen Immigrants to New Netherlands 1623-64 http://www.family-crests.com/family-crest-coat-of-arms/surnames-7-7/immigran ts-to-new-netherlands-1623.html Jan Dircksz from Bremen Scandinavian Immigrants in New York 1630-1674 http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nycoloni/evjen/407evj.html Interesting description of Jan Dircksen from Bremen at above link midway down the page. His wife's name was Tryntie Anders. Just below Jan Dircksen is a Lucas Dircksen from Berg German married to Annetje Cornelis. Jan Van Bremen Dircksen's Details http://www.geni.com/people/Jan-Dircksen/5039393853980077705 Birthdate: 1620 Birthplace: Bremen, Germany Death: Died September 15, 1668 in Albany, New York Occupation: IMMIGRATION: 1638 From Texel to New Amsterdam (New York City)HET WAPEN VAN NOORWEGEN ([THE SHIP] Arms of Norway)Sailed from the Texel about 12 May 1638, arrived New Amsterdam before 4 August1638 [as per the account submitted by Cornelis Melyn against Kili Added by: Brian <http://www.geni.com/people/Brian-Carrigan/311175475190004578> Carrigan on January 27, 2008 Managed by: Brian <http://www.geni.com/people/Brian-Carrigan/311175475190004578> Peter Carrigan Last Updated: October 26, 2008 Catharine Tryntie Dircksen (Andriesen)'s Family Immediate Family: Daughter of ? Andriesen <http://www.geni.com/people/-Andriesen/5039425191680040209> and ? <http://www.geni.com/people/-Andriesen/5039425205520040215> Andriesen Wife of Jan <http://www.geni.com/people/Jan-Dircksen/5039393853980077705> Dircksen Mother of Sara <http://www.geni.com/people/Sara-Gardenier/5039346657760037507> Gardenier -----Original Message----- From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 4:57 AM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen Has anyone come across this before? Could this be anything? Jan Dircksen van Bremen http://www.archive.org/stream/16301897briefhis00rose/16301897briefhis00rose_ djvu.txt Preserved among the Fort Orange Records of date 1660, May 27, is the "petition of Jan Dircksen van Bremen, Albert James von Volekenburgh, et al., praying that Dutch as well as Indians brokers be employed to trade with the Indians," and among the names ap- pended is " Henderick Roseboom." The other party were for pro- hibiting all Europeans, " Christians," from treading the forest paths, thus excluding civilization. The first date after this is Sept. 13, 1662, when he purchased a house and lot "in the village of Bever- wyck, on the hill," and from this time on his name is found in num- erous authentic documents in the annals of Albany. The property mentioned was of historical interest, having been patented to Pieter Bronck. "As it stands with all that is fast by earth and nailed, and a? great as the patent thereof mentions," it was conveyed by Reyndert Pieterse (Bronck?) and Jacob Herick (Gerick), "for the sum of 550 guilders, payable in good merchantable beavers, at eight guilders apiece, in two installments, in July '63 and '64," the two "sellers" setting their "marks," but Rooseboom writing hi^ name with his own hand. November 16, of that year, he is surety with J. J. Schermerhooren for Jurriaen Janssen in the purchase of a house from the estate of Andries Herbertsen, for the benefit of the widow. The exact situations of the ancient properties in Albany have been carefully ascertained and mapped, so that we can fix the pre- cise spot where this ancestor lived. It lay on the east side of Norlli Pearl street, northward of Maiden Lane. The palisades constitu- ting the northerly fortifications of the settlement passed through the middle of the land-plat, and the name of " Roseboom's gate" was o-iven to the exit which existed at that point, the "Burghers' block- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Amsterdam, Netherlands to New Amsterdam (New York) sailed September 1643 arrived March 1644 The Wapen van Rensselaerswyck sailed from the Amsterdam in September, 1643 under Skipper, Jan Simonsz. They arrived at New Amsterdam in March 1644. http://www.immigrantships.net/v10/1600v10/wapenvanrensselaerswyck16440300.ht m l Persons to the Colony of Rensselaerswyck: 1 Claes Andriesz servant From Hilversum, (in the Gooi, or Gooiland, province of North Holland) also called Claes Andriesz Gojer 2 Claes Cornelisz van Voorhout Second son of Cornelis Segersz van Voorhout; also called Claes Segersz 3 Cornelis Cornelisz van Voorhout Eldest son of Cornelis Segersz van Voorhout 4 Cornelis Segersz van Voorhout referred to as Cornelis Segertsen van Egmont with wife, Brechtje Jacobs, 45 years of age, and six children, Cornelis, 22; Claes, 20; Seger, 14; Lysbeth, 16; Jannetje, 10; and Neeltje, 8 5 Dirck Hendricksz From Hilversum (in Gooiland, province of North Holland) also referred to as Dirck de Gojer 6 Jacob Adriaensz Generally referred to as Jacob Adriaensz Rademaccker (wheelwright) 7 Jacob Lambertsz van Dorlandt from Gooiland, province of North Holland) 8 Jan Dircksz From Bremen, Germany 9 Jan Gerritsz, Carpenter 10 Jan Huybertsz, Tailor 11 Nicolaes Coorn 12 Seger Cornelisz van Voorhout, died June 24, 1662 For more information of the passengers aboard this ship, please visit Immigrants to New Netherlands -----Original Message----- From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 12:56 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen Texel immigrantship details Texel, West Friesland to New Amsterdam (New York) sailed in May 1638 arrived 4 August 1638 http://www.immigrantships.net/v10/1600v10/wapenvannoorwegen16380804.html Persons to the Colony of Rensselaerswyck: 1 Abraham Stevensz m ? ? New Amsterdam 2 Adriaen Cornelisz m foreman ? New Amsterdam 3 Claes Gijsbertsz m ? ? New Amsterdam 4 Jan Dircksz m ? Amersfoort, Prov.Utrecht New Amsterdam 5 Jan Michielsz m farmer Amersfoort,prov.Utrecht New Amsterdam 6 Michiel Jansz m farmer Scjrabbelercle, prov.Zeeland New Amsterdam 7 Rijck Rutgersz m farmer New Amsterdam 8 Symon Jansz Henypot m ? Munnickendam New Amsterdam 9 Teunis Dircksz Van Vechten m farmer Vechten near Utrecht New Amsterdam 10 Willem Meynten m farmer ? New Amsterdam For more information of the passengers aboard this ship, please visit Immigrants to New Netherlands -----Original Message----- From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 12:18 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen Immigrants to New Netherlands 1623-64 http://www.family-crests.com/family-crest-coat-of-arms/surnames-7-7/immigran ts-to-new-netherlands-1623.html Jan Dircksz from Bremen Scandinavian Immigrants in New York 1630-1674 http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nycoloni/evjen/407evj.html Interesting description of Jan Dircksen from Bremen at above link midway down the page. His wife's name was Tryntie Anders. Just below Jan Dircksen is a Lucas Dircksen from Berg German married to Annetje Cornelis. Jan Van Bremen Dircksen's Details http://www.geni.com/people/Jan-Dircksen/5039393853980077705 Birthdate: 1620 Birthplace: Bremen, Germany Death: Died September 15, 1668 in Albany, New York Occupation: IMMIGRATION: 1638 From Texel to New Amsterdam (New York City)HET WAPEN VAN NOORWEGEN ([THE SHIP] Arms of Norway)Sailed from the Texel about 12 May 1638, arrived New Amsterdam before 4 August1638 [as per the account submitted by Cornelis Melyn against Kili Added by: Brian <http://www.geni.com/people/Brian-Carrigan/311175475190004578> Carrigan on January 27, 2008 Managed by: Brian <http://www.geni.com/people/Brian-Carrigan/311175475190004578> Peter Carrigan Last Updated: October 26, 2008 Catharine Tryntie Dircksen (Andriesen)'s Family Immediate Family: Daughter of ? Andriesen <http://www.geni.com/people/-Andriesen/5039425191680040209> and ? <http://www.geni.com/people/-Andriesen/5039425205520040215> Andriesen Wife of Jan <http://www.geni.com/people/Jan-Dircksen/5039393853980077705> Dircksen Mother of Sara <http://www.geni.com/people/Sara-Gardenier/5039346657760037507> Gardenier -----Original Message----- From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 4:57 AM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen Has anyone come across this before? Could this be anything? Jan Dircksen van Bremen http://www.archive.org/stream/16301897briefhis00rose/16301897briefhis00rose_ djvu.txt Preserved among the Fort Orange Records of date 1660, May 27, is the "petition of Jan Dircksen van Bremen, Albert James von Volekenburgh, et al., praying that Dutch as well as Indians brokers be employed to trade with the Indians," and among the names ap- pended is " Henderick Roseboom." The other party were for pro- hibiting all Europeans, " Christians," from treading the forest paths, thus excluding civilization. The first date after this is Sept. 13, 1662, when he purchased a house and lot "in the village of Bever- wyck, on the hill," and from this time on his name is found in num- erous authentic documents in the annals of Albany. The property mentioned was of historical interest, having been patented to Pieter Bronck. "As it stands with all that is fast by earth and nailed, and a? great as the patent thereof mentions," it was conveyed by Reyndert Pieterse (Bronck?) and Jacob Herick (Gerick), "for the sum of 550 guilders, payable in good merchantable beavers, at eight guilders apiece, in two installments, in July '63 and '64," the two "sellers" setting their "marks," but Rooseboom writing hi^ name with his own hand. November 16, of that year, he is surety with J. J. Schermerhooren for Jurriaen Janssen in the purchase of a house from the estate of Andries Herbertsen, for the benefit of the widow. The exact situations of the ancient properties in Albany have been carefully ascertained and mapped, so that we can fix the pre- cise spot where this ancestor lived. It lay on the east side of Norlli Pearl street, northward of Maiden Lane. The palisades constitu- ting the northerly fortifications of the settlement passed through the middle of the land-plat, and the name of " Roseboom's gate" was o-iven to the exit which existed at that point, the "Burghers' block- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Texel, West Friesland to New Amsterdam (New York) sailed in May 1638 arrived 4 August 1638 http://www.immigrantships.net/v10/1600v10/wapenvannoorwegen16380804.html Persons to the Colony of Rensselaerswyck: 1 Abraham Stevensz m ? ? New Amsterdam 2 Adriaen Cornelisz m foreman ? New Amsterdam 3 Claes Gijsbertsz m ? ? New Amsterdam 4 Jan Dircksz m ? Amersfoort, Prov.Utrecht New Amsterdam 5 Jan Michielsz m farmer Amersfoort,prov.Utrecht New Amsterdam 6 Michiel Jansz m farmer Scjrabbelercle, prov.Zeeland New Amsterdam 7 Rijck Rutgersz m farmer New Amsterdam 8 Symon Jansz Henypot m ? Munnickendam New Amsterdam 9 Teunis Dircksz Van Vechten m farmer Vechten near Utrecht New Amsterdam 10 Willem Meynten m farmer ? New Amsterdam For more information of the passengers aboard this ship, please visit Immigrants to New Netherlands -----Original Message----- From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 12:18 PM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen Immigrants to New Netherlands 1623-64 http://www.family-crests.com/family-crest-coat-of-arms/surnames-7-7/immigran ts-to-new-netherlands-1623.html Jan Dircksz from Bremen Scandinavian Immigrants in New York 1630-1674 http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nycoloni/evjen/407evj.html Interesting description of Jan Dircksen from Bremen at above link midway down the page. His wife's name was Tryntie Anders. Just below Jan Dircksen is a Lucas Dircksen from Berg German married to Annetje Cornelis. Jan Van Bremen Dircksen's Details http://www.geni.com/people/Jan-Dircksen/5039393853980077705 Birthdate: 1620 Birthplace: Bremen, Germany Death: Died September 15, 1668 in Albany, New York Occupation: IMMIGRATION: 1638 From Texel to New Amsterdam (New York City)HET WAPEN VAN NOORWEGEN ([THE SHIP] Arms of Norway)Sailed from the Texel about 12 May 1638, arrived New Amsterdam before 4 August1638 [as per the account submitted by Cornelis Melyn against Kili Added by: Brian <http://www.geni.com/people/Brian-Carrigan/311175475190004578> Carrigan on January 27, 2008 Managed by: Brian <http://www.geni.com/people/Brian-Carrigan/311175475190004578> Peter Carrigan Last Updated: October 26, 2008 Catharine Tryntie Dircksen (Andriesen)'s Family Immediate Family: Daughter of ? Andriesen <http://www.geni.com/people/-Andriesen/5039425191680040209> and ? <http://www.geni.com/people/-Andriesen/5039425205520040215> Andriesen Wife of Jan <http://www.geni.com/people/Jan-Dircksen/5039393853980077705> Dircksen Mother of Sara <http://www.geni.com/people/Sara-Gardenier/5039346657760037507> Gardenier -----Original Message----- From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 4:57 AM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen Has anyone come across this before? Could this be anything? Jan Dircksen van Bremen http://www.archive.org/stream/16301897briefhis00rose/16301897briefhis00rose_ djvu.txt Preserved among the Fort Orange Records of date 1660, May 27, is the "petition of Jan Dircksen van Bremen, Albert James von Volekenburgh, et al., praying that Dutch as well as Indians brokers be employed to trade with the Indians," and among the names ap- pended is " Henderick Roseboom." The other party were for pro- hibiting all Europeans, " Christians," from treading the forest paths, thus excluding civilization. The first date after this is Sept. 13, 1662, when he purchased a house and lot "in the village of Bever- wyck, on the hill," and from this time on his name is found in num- erous authentic documents in the annals of Albany. The property mentioned was of historical interest, having been patented to Pieter Bronck. "As it stands with all that is fast by earth and nailed, and a? great as the patent thereof mentions," it was conveyed by Reyndert Pieterse (Bronck?) and Jacob Herick (Gerick), "for the sum of 550 guilders, payable in good merchantable beavers, at eight guilders apiece, in two installments, in July '63 and '64," the two "sellers" setting their "marks," but Rooseboom writing hi^ name with his own hand. November 16, of that year, he is surety with J. J. Schermerhooren for Jurriaen Janssen in the purchase of a house from the estate of Andries Herbertsen, for the benefit of the widow. The exact situations of the ancient properties in Albany have been carefully ascertained and mapped, so that we can fix the pre- cise spot where this ancestor lived. It lay on the east side of Norlli Pearl street, northward of Maiden Lane. The palisades constitu- ting the northerly fortifications of the settlement passed through the middle of the land-plat, and the name of " Roseboom's gate" was o-iven to the exit which existed at that point, the "Burghers' block- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To all Van Norman genealogists You are invited to the unveiling of a UEL plaque at Millgrove cemetery (in old West Flamborough Township) now a rural part of the City of Hamilton, Ontario. The event will include a brief history of the cemetery and a presentation about Daniel Cummins UE, an original loyalist who was buried there. Saturday 16 Oct 2010 at 2 pm. Daniel Cummins was an ancestor to many Van Normans since his three daughters married 3 sons of Ephraim Van Norman and Elizabeth Miner: Isaac Van Norman married Catharine Cummins Joseph Van Norman married Christina Cummins Abraham Van Norman married Charity Cummins. Millgrove cemetery is located 200 meters north of the intersection of Millgrove Road (Fifth Concession Road West) and Millgrove Sideroad. Millgrove Road is 7 miles north of the centre of the City of Hamilton Ontario on Ontario Highway 6. The event is hosted by the Millgrove Cemetery Board and the Hamilton Branch of the United Empire Loyalists Association of Canada. For information contact: Raymond.cummins@utoronto.ca

Immigrants to New Netherlands 1623-64 http://www.family-crests.com/family-crest-coat-of-arms/surnames-7-7/immigran ts-to-new-netherlands-1623.html Jan Dircksz from Bremen Scandinavian Immigrants in New York 1630-1674 http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nycoloni/evjen/407evj.html Interesting description of Jan Dircksen from Bremen at above link midway down the page. His wife's name was Tryntie Anders. Just below Jan Dircksen is a Lucas Dircksen from Berg German married to Annetje Cornelis. Jan Van Bremen Dircksen's Details http://www.geni.com/people/Jan-Dircksen/5039393853980077705 Birthdate: 1620 Birthplace: Bremen, Germany Death: Died September 15, 1668 in Albany, New York Occupation: IMMIGRATION: 1638 From Texel to New Amsterdam (New York City)HET WAPEN VAN NOORWEGEN ([THE SHIP] Arms of Norway)Sailed from the Texel about 12 May 1638, arrived New Amsterdam before 4 August1638 [as per the account submitted by Cornelis Melyn against Kili Added by: Brian <http://www.geni.com/people/Brian-Carrigan/311175475190004578> Carrigan on January 27, 2008 Managed by: Brian <http://www.geni.com/people/Brian-Carrigan/311175475190004578> Peter Carrigan Last Updated: October 26, 2008 Catharine Tryntie Dircksen (Andriesen)'s Family Immediate Family: Daughter of ? Andriesen <http://www.geni.com/people/-Andriesen/5039425191680040209> and ? <http://www.geni.com/people/-Andriesen/5039425205520040215> Andriesen Wife of Jan <http://www.geni.com/people/Jan-Dircksen/5039393853980077705> Dircksen Mother of Sara <http://www.geni.com/people/Sara-Gardenier/5039346657760037507> Gardenier -----Original Message----- From: Susan Claggett [mailto:claimtofame@claggett6.com] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 4:57 AM To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Subject: [VANNORMAN] Jan Dircksen van Bremen Has anyone come across this before? Could this be anything? Jan Dircksen van Bremen http://www.archive.org/stream/16301897briefhis00rose/16301897briefhis00rose_ djvu.txt Preserved among the Fort Orange Records of date 1660, May 27, is the "petition of Jan Dircksen van Bremen, Albert James von Volekenburgh, et al., praying that Dutch as well as Indians brokers be employed to trade with the Indians," and among the names ap- pended is " Henderick Roseboom." The other party were for pro- hibiting all Europeans, " Christians," from treading the forest paths, thus excluding civilization. The first date after this is Sept. 13, 1662, when he purchased a house and lot "in the village of Bever- wyck, on the hill," and from this time on his name is found in num- erous authentic documents in the annals of Albany. The property mentioned was of historical interest, having been patented to Pieter Bronck. "As it stands with all that is fast by earth and nailed, and a? great as the patent thereof mentions," it was conveyed by Reyndert Pieterse (Bronck?) and Jacob Herick (Gerick), "for the sum of 550 guilders, payable in good merchantable beavers, at eight guilders apiece, in two installments, in July '63 and '64," the two "sellers" setting their "marks," but Rooseboom writing hi^ name with his own hand. November 16, of that year, he is surety with J. J. Schermerhooren for Jurriaen Janssen in the purchase of a house from the estate of Andries Herbertsen, for the benefit of the widow. The exact situations of the ancient properties in Albany have been carefully ascertained and mapped, so that we can fix the pre- cise spot where this ancestor lived. It lay on the east side of Norlli Pearl street, northward of Maiden Lane. The palisades constitu- ting the northerly fortifications of the settlement passed through the middle of the land-plat, and the name of " Roseboom's gate" was o-iven to the exit which existed at that point, the "Burghers' block- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree with several of your conclusions. On the matter of Jan Dircks' being a WIC soldier, the marriage record lists him as "soldat" and the only such in the colony at the time belonged to WIC. (As did the colony, essentially an early "company town"). It's unlikely he was an officer, even an adelborst. He got in trouble for having a set of stolen boots he said he'd bought from another soldier, behavior that seems to belong more to the barracks than the BOQ. Neither in later life did Jan Dircks ever display anything indicating leadership qualities. I agree he was probably young. Sara, too. To the extent there's any record of them they "act" young and stupid.(Possibly a redundant phrase). I agree he was probably poor. Without getting into foraging and occupation, being a solider was just a notch above being an actual thief. It was a high-risk low-pay job and about the only thing to recommend it as way of making a living was that even the military could see it was stupid to starve a soldier to death before the enemy had a chance to shoot him. Becoming a soldier was what you did if you had no other choice at all. For a number of complicated reasons I, too, suspect Jan Dircks (and possibly Sarah) may not have been Dutch. In the wake of the Thirty Years' War, they might have been, almost anything. However, Scandinavian seems unlikely. Something involving a French dialect seems more probable. -------- Our Sara Theunis is almost certainly the one aboard De Trouw in 1664. Aside from the timing, Jan Duyts, witness at the baptism of her daughter, Sara, was the husband of Jannetje Juriaens, essentially the same name as fellow-passenger Janneken Juriaensen aboard DeTrouw. The trip was a long one and you'd reasonably expect at least one friendship to develop. In earlier posts I've explained why, applying Occam's Razor, Jan Dircks logically was aboard DeTrouw as well. Incidentally, while "Theunis" might be a patronymic, there's also a possibility it might be one that had morphed into a surname. The somewhat mysterious Jan Theuniszen ( later,Van Tilburg) sure looks like some sort of relative although it's not at all clear if he's a father, uncle, brother or some sort of cousin. If anyone has the time and money to do some heavy duty original research I can suggest where to look and what to look for to find more on Jan Dircks and Sara Theunis. I have, I regret to say, neither. --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: <jroguetech@gmail.com> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 3:19 AM Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Holland resource > I've been doing genealogy for about 6 months or so. My tree is somewhat > skimpy, but I so much prefer spending time researching than tediously > copying names from a book. My VO line if from NY to MI. Rogers then went > to > WI. Most of my people are in PA, or spread all over. > > Where I got the information that he was a soldier for the Dutch West India > CO, I don't know. That may have been just an assumption in some book or > other (New Amsterdam being run by the Dutch West India Co.). Why he > came -- > that's the real question, and one ever so rarely answered. Names and dates > and facts, and none of it means a dang thing without the why. > > Your guess is a good as mine. He was probably young, since he was > unmarried. > Probably came from a poor (or somewhat poor) family. Being a soldier was a > low-class profession, except officers. Presumably he wasn't an officer, or > we'd have some record of it. With the recent end of the Eighty Years' War, > have to wonder... Did his father fight? Did he simply follow his father's > profession, and was shipped to New Amsterdam, or did he choose to come? Or > maybe he wanted adventure, and soldiering in New Amsterdam was adventure > on > adventure. Or it could have been simple necissity - anything to pay the > bills, as it were. Sadly, unless he left some long-lost memoirs, we'll > never > know. I would think that the Eighty Years Wars had a polarizing effect on > society. After the war, Dutch trading skyrocketed, and they dominated > trade > for awhile. But trading benefits the middle and upper classes; bankers, > merchants, ship owners. The lower class probably didn't fair so well, > having > taken the brunt of the fighting, as in any war. > > I found this; might be our Sara Theunis: > > ship DE TROUW (FAITH) > January 1664 > Maarcelis Jansen van Bommel; farmer > Evert Tack, from the Barony of Breda > Lysbet Arens, from Amsterdam, and child [re NWI- child 8 years old] > Johannis Hardenbroeck, from Elberveld, and Wife and four children [re NWI > children were 8,6,5 and 3] > Janneken Juriaensen, from Gorcum > Corneliss Cornelissen Vernoey, and Wife and sucking child > Lysbet de Roode, from Dantzick, Wife of John Saline, and child [re NWI > child > was 3 years old] > Sara Teunis > > Unfortunatly it gives no place of origin for Sara Teunis. However, the > timing is right, as she marries Jan Dirksz in June (she's not the 3yo > child > listed above her). I haven't been able to find any other Sara Theunis' in > a > passenger list. It may be possible map out events for the other Sara > Theunis' living in New Amsterdam, and possibly match it to our Sara > Theunis > by process of elimination. > > I was able to find only one Jan Dirksz, and it was clearly not a match. I > believe that the only realistic ways to trace Jan Dirksz in the > Netherlands > would be to either find him in a passenger list (with hopefully more > information), or to find military records. I working a few other leads on > Sara, but so far nothing. > > On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 1:57 AM, Susan Claggett > <claimtofame@claggett6.com>wrote: > >> Mind boggling to me but very interesting. Why do you think Jan Dirksz >> came >> to New Amsterdam? Did he come as a paid soldier? Thanks >> >> Susan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jroguetech@gmail.com [mailto:jroguetech@gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 12:48 AM >> To: vannorman@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Holland resource >> >> As a side note to my previous message, countries were also defined to >> some >> extent as land owned by the king or royal family, or who owed them >> fielty. >> However, the ruling family could inherit lands outside their contigious >> bounderies, similiar to King George II inheriting the whole of England. >> This >> was also true of the Netherlands. The Hapsbergs had several large >> holdings >> outside their contiguous bounderies. Unifying disperate holdings by >> various monarchies played heavily in the Eighty Years' War. >> >> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 12:33 AM, <jroguetech@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > John Rogers (Rogers -> Harriet Estelle VO -> Sardine Stone -> >> > Abraham -> >> > Abraham -> Lucas -> Isaac Jansz etc.) I'm in the US. >> > >> > I don't believe they are Scandinavian (that is Holland, Finland, >> > Norway). >> > They are almost certainly "from" the Netherlands, and there's no reason >> > I >> > know of that to believe they were born elsewhere. >> > >> > Since it's on topic of modern last names, don't forget that our >> > understanding of countries is also a modern construct. Belguim and the >> > Netherlands have not only seen upheaval in modern times, with map lines >> > redrawn after World War I and World War II, but the Netherlands was >> > not unified until 1540 under the Hapsburgs. However, being a small >> country, >> > there were constant struggles against Belgium, Prussia, and even Spain. >> > During the Eighty Year' War (1568-1648), they were split in two. Since >> this >> > is in the time-frame of Jan Dirksz, in terms of political bounderies, >> > it >> > would be necessary to specify north or south Netherlands. Going >> > backwards >> in >> > time, they were comprised of several "countries", and before that a >> > multitude city-states, confederacies, and fiefdoms in the middle ages. >> > On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Susan Claggett < >> > claimtofame@claggett6.com> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> jroguetech@gmail.com what is your name? You have been sharing lots of >> >> great >> >> info with us but I don't know who you are by name. Are you in the US >> >> or >> >> in >> >> Holland? Thanks for your contributions! >> >> >> >> Susan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: jroguetech@gmail.com [mailto:jroguetech@gmail.com] >> >> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 12:00 AM >> >> To: vannorman@rootsweb.com >> >> Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Holland resource >> >> >> >> Last names weren't formally adopted (in New Amsterdam) until 1687, and >> >> weren't in common use for much longer, even into the 1800's. >> >> http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/nn/pat.shtml >> >> >> >> Most records show Jan Dirksz as Jan Dirckszen >> >> http://www.altlaw.com/edball/dutchbap.htm >> >> (baptism date, father, mother, child, witness, witness) >> >> Aug; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Magdalena; Jilles Joosten, Maria >> Wouters >> >> 4 Jun; Jan Dircxzen Van Aernhem, Sara; Jan; Jan Laurenszen Duyts, >> >> Mayken >> >> Laurens >> >> 9 Apr; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Abraham; Jean le Maistre, Susanna >> >> Le >> >> Maistre >> >> 26 Sept; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Catharina; David Hendrickszen, >> >> Tryntie >> >> Hercks >> >> 3 Apr; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Isaac and Jacob (twins); Daniel >> >> Terneur, >> >> Hester de La >> >> Maistre, Marritie Pieters >> >> 31 Dec; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Theunis; Dirckje; Tryntie Grevenraedt >> >> (?) 14 Jul; Jan Dirckszen, Sara Thomas; Marie; Willem Van Leyden (I >> >> have >> >> Marie listed as a child, but unsourced beyond this record.) >> >> [This particuliar site is not easily sourced, since it's one long >> >> list; >> >> there's a several sites with New Amsterdam baptisms and marriages. If >> >> anyone >> >> needs this info with years, I can provide urls.] >> >> >> >> Among others, also listed are Jan Dirckszen Straetman or >> >> Straetmaecker (Street maker), Jan Dirckszen de Meyer/Mayer, Jan >> >> Dircxen >> op >> >> Hoboken, Jan Dirckszen van Bremen, and Jan Dirckszen van Amsterdam. >> There >> >> are also at least two, possibly three Sara Theunis'. >> >> >> >> Here's his marriage record, as being "van Arnhem". In addition to what >> >> Pete >> >> says, since he was a soldier, it's that much less reliable as a birth >> >> place. >> >> (I have a soldier of the Dutch West India Co., but I have no source.) >> Sara >> >> Theunis is listed as from Rotterdam. Possibly more reliable, but >> Rotterdam >> >> being a port city, it may have been more convient using her >> >> (possible) departure place than her actual home. Lot's of times, I've >> >> seem numerous immigrant ancester of mine using "New York" or "New >> Jersey" >> >> in >> >> census records, rather than actual original country of origin. Note >> >> that >> >> the >> >> patronym system also applies to Sara - "Sara Theuniszen", or "daughter >> of >> >> Theunis". >> >> >> >> Soort bron: Trouwboek >> >> Kerkgemeente: Collegiate Church of New York >> >> Proclamatie: 28-06-1664 >> >> Gezindte: NDG >> >> Plaats: Nieuw Amsterdam-New York >> >> Bruidegom: Jan Dirckszen >> >> Geboorteplaats bruidegom: Arnhem >> >> Bruid: Sara Theuniszen >> >> Geboorteplaats bruid: Rotterdam >> >> Jongedochter bruid: J >> >> Vorige partner bruidegom: >> >> Vorige partner bruid: >> >> Nadere informatie: De bruidegom is soldaat >> >> >> >> Translation: >> >> Source Type: Wedding Book >> >> Congregation: Collegiate Church of New York >> >> Proclamation: 06/28/1664 >> >> Belief: NDG >> >> Hometown: New Amsterdam-New York >> >> Groom: January Dircksz >> >> Hometown groom: Arnhem >> >> Bride: Sara Theunisz >> >> Hometown wedding: Rotterdam >> >> Young Daughter bride: J >> >> Previous partner groom: >> >> Previous partner bride >> >> Further information: The groom is a soldier >> >> [ >> >> >> >> >> >> http://bhic.nl/site/pagina.php?id=193&actie=akte&cid=cTExgRKQ2HdQx1CjKpnEFMD >> >> >> hX&xtr=21967397< >> http://bhic.nl/site/pagina.php?id=193&actie=akte&cid=cTExgRK >> Q2HdQx1CjKpnEFMDhX&xtr=21967397> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Pete Gonigam <gonigam@hotmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > May I point out again that "Van Arnhem", at least as it applies to >> >> > the >> >> > records of Jan Dircks Van Arnhem who married Sarah Theunis, is >> >> > clearly >> a >> >> > descriptor, not a surname. It means he was "from" Arnhem; perhaps >> born >> >> > there, perhaps raised there, perhaps lived there for a while before >> >> > he >> >> came >> >> > to New Amsterdam. >> >> > >> >> > Half a dozen bits collectively suggest to me he probably wasn't born >> in >> >> > Arnhem. Among them was a scan several years ago through the >> Netherlands >> >> > indices suggested by jroguetech in which I could find no one who >> looked >> >> > very >> >> > much like our Jan Dircks. (Didn't find a Sarah Theunis, either.) >> >> > >> >> > Jan Dirck's children didn't begin using the Van Arnhem surname until >> >> around >> >> > 1695, 14 years after the last record that mentions their father (who >> was >> >> > still using the presumed patronymic "Dircksen"). In other words, for >> >> more >> >> > than 30 years after 1664 the family was NOT named Van Arnhem. >> >> > >> >> > (Please don't ask why they eventually adopted a surname their father >> >> never >> >> > seems to have used. It's another of many things about the early >> family >> >> > that >> >> > don't seem to make any sense.) >> >> > >> >> > --pete >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "Susan Claggett" <claimtofame@claggett6.com> >> >> > To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> >> >> > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 9:50 PM >> >> > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Holland resource >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > I'm having trouble figuring out how to use this website. Could >> >> > > you >> >> post >> >> > > the >> >> > > results for the Van Arnhem's to this list? Thanks >> >> > > >> >> > > Susan Van Orman Claggett >> >> > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > > From: jroguetech@gmail.com [mailto:jroguetech@gmail.com] >> >> > > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 11:43 PM >> >> > > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com >> >> > > Subject: [VANNORMAN] Holland resource >> >> > > >> >> > > Here's a resource that shows some Van Arnhem's in Holland, going >> back >> >> as >> >> > > far >> >> > > as the 1600's. >> >> > > >> >> > > http://bhic.nl/index.php?id=10004 >> >> > > >> >> > > This has resources for New Amsterdam, New Holland: >> >> > > http://bhic.nl/index.php?id=193 >> >> > > (enter "Nieuw Amsterdam-New York" as Plaats) >> >> > > >> >> > > Does anyone have other resources for tracing the Van Arnhem's in >> >> Holland? >> >> > > >> >> > > ------------------------------- >> >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> > > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> >> the >> >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > ------------------------------- >> >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> > > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> >> the >> >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------- >> >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

http://geneaknowhow.net/digi/resources.html https://stadsarchief.amsterdam.nl/archieven/archiefbank/indexen/doopregisters/zoek/index.nl.html http://stadsarchief.amsterdam.nl/home.nl.html http://blog.traceyourdutchroots.com/ http://www.dutchgenealogy.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=48&Itemid=71 [explains Dutch genealogical terms, etc.] http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=86466430&map=0&page=0&ics=1 Linda Schwenn

Has anyone come across this before? Could this be anything? Jan Dircksen van Bremen http://www.archive.org/stream/16301897briefhis00rose/16301897briefhis00rose_ djvu.txt Preserved among the Fort Orange Records of date 1660, May 27, is the "petition of Jan Dircksen van Bremen, Albert James von Volekenburgh, et al., praying that Dutch as well as Indians brokers be employed to trade with the Indians," and among the names ap- pended is " Henderick Roseboom." The other party were for pro- hibiting all Europeans, " Christians," from treading the forest paths, thus excluding civilization. The first date after this is Sept. 13, 1662, when he purchased a house and lot "in the village of Bever- wyck, on the hill," and from this time on his name is found in num- erous authentic documents in the annals of Albany. The property mentioned was of historical interest, having been patented to Pieter Bronck. "As it stands with all that is fast by earth and nailed, and a? great as the patent thereof mentions," it was conveyed by Reyndert Pieterse (Bronck?) and Jacob Herick (Gerick), "for the sum of 550 guilders, payable in good merchantable beavers, at eight guilders apiece, in two installments, in July '63 and '64," the two "sellers" setting their "marks," but Rooseboom writing hi^ name with his own hand. November 16, of that year, he is surety with J. J. Schermerhooren for Jurriaen Janssen in the purchase of a house from the estate of Andries Herbertsen, for the benefit of the widow. The exact situations of the ancient properties in Albany have been carefully ascertained and mapped, so that we can fix the pre- cise spot where this ancestor lived. It lay on the east side of Norlli Pearl street, northward of Maiden Lane. The palisades constitu- ting the northerly fortifications of the settlement passed through the middle of the land-plat, and the name of " Roseboom's gate" was o-iven to the exit which existed at that point, the "Burghers' block-