Hi! The following information may apply to the same John Van Arnam / Van Arman. I had guessed that this pertained to John, son of John Van Arnum & Tamar Dewey, because of his occupation and Michigan location at that date, but I could be in error. The following was taken from: http://www.eaton.migenweb.net/pageone.htm History of Eaton County, Michigan (snip) The grand jury came in with indictments and were discharged. The next day, November 14, 1851, was the last of the county court. It ended in open rebellion against the judge. When the judge ordered Mr. Shaw to pay a fine of five dollars Mr. Shaw is said to have retorted, “Fine and be d---d.” For this the judge ordered him imprisoned for five days, and the sheriff was ordered to arrest him. John Van Arman, Henry A. Shaw, Martin S. Bracket, C. C. Chatfield, and quite a number of other attorneys stood up in battle array, some with their coats off and shirt sleeves rolled up (instead of having their black gowns on), and gave the judge and sheriff to understand that not one of their number could be taken out of that bar. The sheriff stood hesitating at the entrance, when some of them in friendly tones assured him that he had better not try to come in there. He probably saw at a glance that the caution was given him for his good. They were many of them men whom it would be difficult to handle. M. S. Bracket bore the reputation of being physically the most powerful man in the county. Spectators say that as he bared his arms muscles and tendons rose up like whip-cords. Mr. Shaw was tall, quick and powerful--he had nearly broken the next of an antagonist by kicking him under the chin while standing before him. John Van Arman had been a soldier in the Mexican war and looked as if he would rather fight than eat. No arrest was made. A jury of twelve men sat looking on. Some of them afterwards censured the sheriff for not calling on them for help. This is not likely a son of John (1801 - 1859) & Chloe Van Arnam. >From John's will and Chloe's 1839 petition, we know that there were 7 children in the family - although the father of the eldest son James may not be John Van Arnam - and they didn't have a son John...... The John of "John & Chloe" is likely one of the New York Van Arnam's, and quite possibly the other John of "John & Tamar" descends from this line too.... Stephen P.S. You have good timing - I just found that quote about John in the Mexican War a couple of days ago! On 11/4/10, Linda Schwenn <schwel@comcast.net> wrote: > In 1847 John Van Arnam enlisted in the Mexican War. He was 21 and born in > Lockport, NY. Enlistment place: Dixon [no state given. The list includes > various states/places] Occupation: stage driver. 16th Infantry Regiment. > Discharged Aug 7, 1848, expiration of service, at Newport, KY. A musician. > > Source: Ancestry.com "U.S. Army, Register of Enlistments, 1798-1914 Record > for John Vanaenam" (In the original it looks more like Van Arnam) > > Is this an early son of John 1801-1859 and Chloe Van Arnam? And does it tie > into the PA Van Normans? > 1840 census: Dixon, Lee, IL M:1 under 5, 1 5–9, 2 15–19, 7 20–29, 4 > 30–39, 1 free colored male 36 – 54 > 1850: Dixon, Lee, IL wife Chloe is there b 1807 NY with several children. > > Linda Schwenn > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Use it all the time also. Thanks, Stephen. Linda On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Susan Claggett <claimtofame@claggett6.com>wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > I just want to thank you for your efforts. This really helps us to figure > out the families. I use it all of the time. > > Regards, > > Susan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Wood [mailto:stephe.w300@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 8:20 AM > To: VANNORMAN > Subject: [VANNORMAN] latest version of Early Van Norman census returns > 1790- > 1840 available > > Hi everyone! > > Just a quick note to mention that the latest version of our > "Early Van Norman census returns 1790 - 1840" is now available as an > excel file download at Sherri's Van Norman Family Association website > - http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vnfa/census.html<http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Evnfa/census.html> > > We've added a couple of more newly located entries, fixed up a > couple of errors [Joseph Van Norman / Elizabeth Wybern 1800 entry is > one example] and added a couple of Van Norman (etc.) daughter's family > entries, so a bit of everything....... > > And I already have more to add to it! > > Many thanks to all who added their input to this version - we > will eventually get 99% of them sorted out sooner or later. > > Stephen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In 1847 John Van Arnam enlisted in the Mexican War. He was 21 and born in Lockport, NY. Enlistment place: Dixon [no state given. The list includes various states/places] Occupation: stage driver. 16th Infantry Regiment. Discharged Aug 7, 1848, expiration of service, at Newport, KY. A musician. Source: Ancestry.com "U.S. Army, Register of Enlistments, 1798-1914 Record for John Vanaenam" (In the original it looks more like Van Arnam) Is this an early son of John 1801-1859 and Chloe Van Arnam? And does it tie into the PA Van Normans? 1840 census: Dixon, Lee, IL M:1 under 5, 1 5–9, 2 15–19, 7 20–29, 4 30–39, 1 free colored male 36 – 54 1850: Dixon, Lee, IL wife Chloe is there b 1807 NY with several children. Linda Schwenn

Hi Stephen, I just want to thank you for your efforts. This really helps us to figure out the families. I use it all of the time. Regards, Susan -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Wood [mailto:stephe.w300@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 8:20 AM To: VANNORMAN Subject: [VANNORMAN] latest version of Early Van Norman census returns 1790- 1840 available Hi everyone! Just a quick note to mention that the latest version of our "Early Van Norman census returns 1790 - 1840" is now available as an excel file download at Sherri's Van Norman Family Association website - http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vnfa/census.html We've added a couple of more newly located entries, fixed up a couple of errors [Joseph Van Norman / Elizabeth Wybern 1800 entry is one example] and added a couple of Van Norman (etc.) daughter's family entries, so a bit of everything....... And I already have more to add to it! Many thanks to all who added their input to this version - we will eventually get 99% of them sorted out sooner or later. Stephen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

VAN ARNUM, Stephen, Male, Aug. 28, 1847; parents: Christian & Esther Van Arnum http://www.newhorizonsgenealogicalservices.com/ny-birth-schoharie-fulton.htm 1850 census Fulton, Schoharie, NY: Christian age 26 and Hester Van Arnem family: Stephen 2, Selina 11m Stephen Van Norman's military record on Ancestry.com includes a record of his enlistment in Louisiana in 1869 that states he was 21, born Fulton Co., NY and discharged in San Antonio, TX in 1871. Another record, U.S. National Homes for Disabled Volunteer Soldiers, 1866-1938 Record for Stephen Van Norman (Ancestry.com http://search.ancestry.com/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=1200&path=Hampton.Registers.W.815&sid=&gskw=Stephen+Van+Norman), includes a more complete record: 2 enlistments (includes one previous to the above) residence subsequent to discharge: New Orleans, LA occupation: clerk admission to home Oct 14, 1899 date of death Mar 26, 1900, hepatic cyrrhosis [*sic*] married effects to widow Katie T. Van Norman, 619 Philip St., New Orleans, LA (identified as wife in another place same document) Buried in "new national cemetery grave #7912" age 52, 5'9", grey eyes, light hair, literate, Catholic 1900: Kate T. Van Norman is enumerated at 619 Philip St., New Orleans Ward 10, Orleans, Louisiana. She is a widow living with her brother Alphonse Cahill and sisters. She has 3 children: Stephen, Agnes, and Raymond. Her birth year is listed incorrectly as 1864. All other census say 1860. 1910: her children, Stephen, Agnes, and Raymond, are listed as living with same aunts and uncle in an extended family unit headed by Joseph Kuebel (Ancestry transcribed Knabel), in New Orleans. Kate is not listed. In the book I list below, she died in 1907. 1920: Agnes M. [Van Norman] Bailey, 31, widowed, identified (incorrectly I think) as born Missouri, is living in New Orleans with her children Charles H., Stephen, and VanNorman Bailey, her mother in law Elizabeth Bailey, sister in law Henrietta, her brother Stephen J. Van Norman and his family, wife Nell, and son John J. I found Agnes's husband Charles H. Bailey enumerated in 1880 3rd Ward, Saint Bernard, Louisiana, son of Charles H. and Elizabeth. He was born in Oct 1879 in Louisiana. I can't account for the Missouri birthplace for Agnes except that it is enumerator or informant's error. 1930: Agnes V. N. Bailey is head of family in New Orleans, age 41 b LA. : sis in law Henrietta a school teacher, and sons Chas Henry 16, Stephen J. 14, and Van Norman Bailey 12. In the published book below, Katherine Theresa Cahill's husband is listed as John J. Van Norman who died in 1921 and buried in the Owen Cahill tomb, St. Joseph Cemetery. The author identifies Katherine's children and their spouses which coincides with the census info above. *The Descendants of Charles A. Kuebel 1830-1920 and Owen Cahill 1834-1898* http://vstreff.com/_genealogy/PrintFiles/Kuebel-Cahill_book.pdf I can't account for this error in naming her spouse, but a published record is hard to refute without the documents I've described. Linda Schwenn

Hi everyone! Just a quick note to mention that the latest version of our "Early Van Norman census returns 1790 - 1840" is now available as an excel file download at Sherri's Van Norman Family Association website - http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vnfa/census.html We've added a couple of more newly located entries, fixed up a couple of errors [Joseph Van Norman / Elizabeth Wybern 1800 entry is one example] and added a couple of Van Norman (etc.) daughter's family entries, so a bit of everything....... And I already have more to add to it! Many thanks to all who added their input to this version - we will eventually get 99% of them sorted out sooner or later. Stephen

Stephen, This is great - I actually had 2 Williams listed on my database. I think the next time I go to the Archives, I will look up Ransom Van Norman's civil war pension - he served from Wisconsin and his mother (Elmira filed for his pension in 1871) This might give the information if she was divorced. Linda Noggle On Nov 2, 2010, at 9:34 AM, Stephen Wood wrote: > Hi! > > While "playing" with the Civil War Pension records that Linda > shared with us the other day, I was side-tracked for many hours by the > discovery of a couple of marriage records that caught my attention. > > I have asked before about William R. Van Norman, born ca. 1806 in > Massachusetts on this mailing list, as he appeared to have separated > from his first wife Elvira / Almira Perrine, born ca. 1809 NY. In the > 1870 census, he appears in Aurora, Waushara Co., Wisconsin with what > appears to be a new wife Eliza, and [step] daughter Harriet, while his > first wife is listed in the same town enumerated with their daughter > Abbie (Abigail) Eldred and her young family. > > I found a marriage record for a William Vannorman to Eliza Cady > (nee Fairfield) on 21 Nov. 1868 in Green Lake, Wisconsin which matches > the 1870 census information. [plus found 1860 census for Alvin & Eliza > "Cody" with a daughter Harriet the right age] > Found on: beta.familysearch.org - The index to Eliza's 1898 death is also there. > > The interesting part was that his parents were listed as Jacob & > Lydia Vannorman. > > This has to be Jacob Truman Van Ornum & his wife Lydia Sawyer. The > original information that I had for their son William, has turned out > to be in error, mixed up with William R.'s son Lyman's information. > (so someone had obviously made the connection before me) > > Someone had originally stated that William R's parents were Isaac > & Agnes Van Norman - but I have never uncovered any evidence to this, > and my query to this list brought nothing about his parentage either. > > So, unless someone else has a better idea, I'm now adding William > R. to the Jacob and Lydia (Sawyer) Van Norman / Van Ornum etc. family! > > Stephen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Regarding William and Elizabeth Fairfield Cady VanNorman: I posted family information on the VNFA ancestry website some time ago for those interested in that family and added more today. I agree with Stephen that William R. husband of Elmira Perrine is probably the same as this William. I found Elizabeth Fairfield Cady Vanorman in 1880, a widow living with her daughter Eleanor Blowers (Mrs. John). So I assume the 1874 date for William's death is correct (as per Lyman's bio) though I can't find a record of it. Linda Schwenn On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Stephen Wood <stephe.w300@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi! > > While "playing" with the Civil War Pension records that Linda > shared with us the other day, I was side-tracked for many hours by the > discovery of a couple of marriage records that caught my attention. > > I have asked before about William R. Van Norman, born ca. 1806 in > Massachusetts on this mailing list, as he appeared to have separated > from his first wife Elvira / Almira Perrine, born ca. 1809 NY. In the > 1870 census, he appears in Aurora, Waushara Co., Wisconsin with what > appears to be a new wife Eliza, and [step] daughter Harriet, while his > first wife is listed in the same town enumerated with their daughter > Abbie (Abigail) Eldred and her young family. > > I found a marriage record for a William Vannorman to Eliza Cady > (nee Fairfield) on 21 Nov. 1868 in Green Lake, Wisconsin which matches > the 1870 census information. [plus found 1860 census for Alvin & Eliza > "Cody" with a daughter Harriet the right age] > Found on: beta.familysearch.org - The index to Eliza's 1898 death is also > there. > > The interesting part was that his parents were listed as Jacob & > Lydia Vannorman. > > This has to be Jacob Truman Van Ornum & his wife Lydia Sawyer. The > original information that I had for their son William, has turned out > to be in error, mixed up with William R.'s son Lyman's information. > (so someone had obviously made the connection before me) > > Someone had originally stated that William R's parents were Isaac > & Agnes Van Norman - but I have never uncovered any evidence to this, > and my query to this list brought nothing about his parentage either. > > So, unless someone else has a better idea, I'm now adding William > R. to the Jacob and Lydia (Sawyer) Van Norman / Van Ornum etc. family! > > Stephen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Stephen, I've wrestled with these two before also. I hesitated merging them for two reasons: 1. It seemed unlikely, though possible, that William would be born anywhere but Canada, given the bp of siblings either side. 2. I haven't seen the R initial in William/Eliza Fairfield records. 3. This is an excerpt from the bio of Lyman which states his father died in 1874. The statement that Elmira died 4 years later is proven wrong by the 1880 census. I know from experience that these commemorative "vanity" biographies contain errors. And this is a good example. Though lengthy I've included it all in case there are other clues in it: >From "Commemorative Biographical Record of the Upper Wisconsin Counties: Waupaca, Portage, Wood, Marathon, Oneida, Vilas, Langlade and Shawano" by Chicago: J.H. Beers & Co. 1895 L. M. VANNORMAN, a well-to-do farmer of Larrabee township, Waupaca county, and who was a Union soldier in the war of the Rebellion, was born in 1832, in Onondaga county, N. Y., son of William R. and Elmina (Perrine) Vannorman. William R. Vannorman was born in Massachusetts, his wife in New York. They came to Winnebago county, Wis., in 1852, and settled in Omro village, where he followed the business of butcher and grocer for twenty years or more. His death occurred in Oshkosh, Wis., in 1874, and that of his wife, who survived him four years, in Waushara county, Wis. (Mrs. Vannorman's father, John Perrine, born in New York of Holland ancestry, was in the war of 1812). They reared a family of six children, namely L. M., the subject of this sketch; Oliver, residing in Waukesha county, Wis.; Phedyma, wife of James H. Weston, of Martelle, Jones Co., Iowa; Hattie E., wife of Francis Marion Nash, of Nashville, Vt., who enlisted at Sparta, Wis., in Company I, Seventh Wis. V. I., was discharged for disability,. came home, re-enlisted in April, 1864, in the Seventh Wis. V. I., Company I, served till the close of the war, and was discharged at Madison, Wis.(in 1864, at the battle of the Wilderness, he received a gunshot wound, and was taken to the hospital at Federal Hill, Baltimore, Md.); Ransom S. enlisted.in June, 1861, in Company G, Fifth Wis. V. I., was a member of the Fifth Army Corps, and was killed at the battle of Spottsylvania ; and Abbie L., who was the wife of John Eldred, of Waushara county, Wis., and died in 1888. L. M. Vannorman was reared in New York, and educated in the schools of that State. On December 25, 1851, he was united in marriage with Miss Mary Caroline Daniels, who was born in Oswego county, N. Y., and by their marriage twelve children have been born, as follows: Carmy, residing in Matteson township, Waupaca county; Earl, married, and residing at Clintonville, Waupaca county; Charles, married, and residing at Whitcomb, Shawano county, Wis.; Hannah, the wife of William E. Rice, of Matteson township; Truman ; Cephas A.; Ransom M., and :Tiles. Of this family they have buried three sons Ransom, Carmy and Roy, and one daughter, Cornelia. Mrs. Vannorman's parents, David and Sally (Keller) Daniels, were born in New York, and came in 1859 to Waushara county, Wis., where, in 1865, Mr. Daniels enlisted in the Forty-fourth Wis. V. I., and served till the close of the war. His death occurred at Appleton, Wis., in 1881, that of his wife in 1886, also at Appleton. They had three children: George, who resides at Neillsville, Clark Co., Wis.; Mary Caroline (Mrs. Vannorman); and Cornelia, the widow of Abram Russell, who was in the One Hundred and Tenth N. Y. V. I., and was killed, in 1890, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. . Mr. Vannorman came to Oshkosh, Winnebago Co., Wis., April 29, 1852, then to Omro, in the same county, remained two years, went to Waushara county, and located in the woods near Eureka, where he opened up a farm. On February 22, 1864, at Auroraville, Waushara county, he enlisted in Company I, Seventh Wis. V. I., known as the " Iron Brigade," was mustered into service at Madison, Wis., and assigned to the Fifth Army Corps, Army of the Potomac. He received a gunshot wound at the battle of the Wilderness, was two days in the field hospital, for some time in the hospital at Washington, came home on thirty days' furlough, then returned to the hospital, and in September, 1864, rejoined his regiment at Petersburg, Va. He was at Petersburg, Five Forks, Appomattox, Hatcher's Run, and at the Review at Washington, D. C., was honorably discharged at Louisville, Ky., July 3, 1865, returned to Waushara county, Wis., remaining there till 1881, when he came to Clintonville, and located in Section 13, Larrabee township, on his present farm, which was then all in the woods. Here he owns fifty-four and a half acres of land, now considerably improved. In 1885 he built a good story-and-a-half residence, 16 x 24 feet in the main part, with an L 12 x 18, and in 1887 a barn 24 x 44 feet. In politics Mr. Vannorman is a Republican, has held the office of justice of the peace three times, and has been school clerk and pathmaster He is a member of J. B. Wyman Post No. 32, G, A. R., and has been senior vice. He has seen much of the development of this section of the county. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Stephen Wood <stephe.w300@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi! > > While "playing" with the Civil War Pension records that Linda > shared with us the other day, I was side-tracked for many hours by the > discovery of a couple of marriage records that caught my attention. > > I have asked before about William R. Van Norman, born ca. 1806 in > Massachusetts on this mailing list, as he appeared to have separated > from his first wife Elvira / Almira Perrine, born ca. 1809 NY. In the > 1870 census, he appears in Aurora, Waushara Co., Wisconsin with what > appears to be a new wife Eliza, and [step] daughter Harriet, while his > first wife is listed in the same town enumerated with their daughter > Abbie (Abigail) Eldred and her young family. > > I found a marriage record for a William Vannorman to Eliza Cady > (nee Fairfield) on 21 Nov. 1868 in Green Lake, Wisconsin which matches > the 1870 census information. [plus found 1860 census for Alvin & Eliza > "Cody" with a daughter Harriet the right age] > Found on: beta.familysearch.org - The index to Eliza's 1898 death is also > there. > > The interesting part was that his parents were listed as Jacob & > Lydia Vannorman. > > This has to be Jacob Truman Van Ornum & his wife Lydia Sawyer. The > original information that I had for their son William, has turned out > to be in error, mixed up with William R.'s son Lyman's information. > (so someone had obviously made the connection before me) > > Someone had originally stated that William R's parents were Isaac > & Agnes Van Norman - but I have never uncovered any evidence to this, > and my query to this list brought nothing about his parentage either. > > So, unless someone else has a better idea, I'm now adding William > R. to the Jacob and Lydia (Sawyer) Van Norman / Van Ornum etc. family! > > Stephen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I spent some time reading the file mentioned above. The record is on ancestry.com and contains 45 pages. Most interesting was a reference that *John "**was an Ensign in the company commanded by Captain Jacob Van Aernam, an uncle of John-* per letter from John Dennis (Image 42) of the Regiment commanded by Col. Phillip P. Schuyler" Here is other info- I tried to document which image each detail was on. Arlene John Van Aernam Junior (Image 32) abt 6 mo older than Jane (Image 59) d. June 17 1826 town of Cicero, Onondaga County, NY (Image 38) was an Ensign in the company commanded by Captain Jacob Van Aernam, an uncle of John- per letter from John Dennis (Image 42) of the Regiment commanded by Col. Phillip P. Schuyler (others named) (b. May 15, 1755 Lived near Guilderland. (Image 59-60) November 12, 1838- Jane was 84 May 15 last (b. May 15, 1754)** (Image 31) List the children June 3, 1778 – John Van Aernam (maybe Junior) married Genny Van Loon June 3, 1779 – Gertrude was born- 1st daughter ? October 2, 1780 – Peter was born 1st son Sept 28, 1782 – Jacob was born 2nd son Sept 30, 1784 – Genny was born 2nd daughter May 11 or 17, 1786 – Elizabeth was born 3rd daughter July 25, 1789 – Cottintha (?) was born 4th daughter (not sure of the spelling but this may be the Diane noted below) November 7, 1792 – Hannah was born 5th daughter June 17, 1796 - John Junior was born 3rd son December 1, 1803 Esther was born (Image 34-38) (34) Dated July 3, 1843, Declaration of Jane: appeared in Onondaga, age 88 (b. 1755), resident of Cicero, Onondaga County NY. John trained in Guilderland, Albany 2 yrs before surrender of Burgoyne at Saratoga. (35-36) Married in Schenectady by a Presbyterian minister Rev Mr. Vrooman. John left the next day (Image 41) moved to Cicero April 1825 (Image 39) July 3, 1843 Letter by Diane Graves - daughter of John, 53 years old (b. 1790) (Image 61) November 10 1838 Diane Graves- daughter of John, age 48 (b. 1790) (Image 53 & 71) Jacob Relyea & his wife were present at the wedding of John & Jane (Image 72) Charity Relyea was present at the wedding (Image 69) Service record 12 Nov 1779 John Van Arnum private 3 Dec do do 29 Nov Ensign Under 1st Capt Bastian T Visher Col Philip P Schuyler 3rd Capt. Lavinus F. Lansing 4th Capt. Jacob Van Arnum 9th Capt. Henry Dinkler Col H K Van Raupelaen Here is the link to the above info: http://search.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=1995&iid=MIUSA1775D_137070-00029&fn=John&ln=Van+Aerman&st=d&ssrc=&pid=62005 <http://search.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=1995&iid=MIUSA1775D_137070-00117&fn=John&ln=Van+Aernam&st=r&ssrc=&pid=81368>

Hi! While "playing" with the Civil War Pension records that Linda shared with us the other day, I was side-tracked for many hours by the discovery of a couple of marriage records that caught my attention. I have asked before about William R. Van Norman, born ca. 1806 in Massachusetts on this mailing list, as he appeared to have separated from his first wife Elvira / Almira Perrine, born ca. 1809 NY. In the 1870 census, he appears in Aurora, Waushara Co., Wisconsin with what appears to be a new wife Eliza, and [step] daughter Harriet, while his first wife is listed in the same town enumerated with their daughter Abbie (Abigail) Eldred and her young family. I found a marriage record for a William Vannorman to Eliza Cady (nee Fairfield) on 21 Nov. 1868 in Green Lake, Wisconsin which matches the 1870 census information. [plus found 1860 census for Alvin & Eliza "Cody" with a daughter Harriet the right age] Found on: beta.familysearch.org - The index to Eliza's 1898 death is also there. The interesting part was that his parents were listed as Jacob & Lydia Vannorman. This has to be Jacob Truman Van Ornum & his wife Lydia Sawyer. The original information that I had for their son William, has turned out to be in error, mixed up with William R.'s son Lyman's information. (so someone had obviously made the connection before me) Someone had originally stated that William R's parents were Isaac & Agnes Van Norman - but I have never uncovered any evidence to this, and my query to this list brought nothing about his parentage either. So, unless someone else has a better idea, I'm now adding William R. to the Jacob and Lydia (Sawyer) Van Norman / Van Ornum etc. family! Stephen

Here's a little more on Philemon.... The Ancestry.com website has an index to deaths taken during the census years (Mortality Schedules) which lists P. B. Van Norman; male; white; married; born Mississippi; died Feb. [1880] aged 35 years from Pneumonia; Census was for Wards 7 & 8 in East Feliciana, Louisiana. According to notes, that is also the location where he married Susan Eleanor McAdams 18 Dec. 1868. Philemon Baldevin [sic] Van Norman and his wife, Susan, were members of the Hepzibah Baptist Church in E.Feliciana Parish, LA. [Source: Sagley, Mary Ann, EAST FELICIANA PARISH, LA, v.2, p.158, - HEPZIBAH BAPTIST CHURCH MINUTES.] Philemon Baldwin Aaron Van Norman was apparently born 28 Feb. 1844 in Liberty, Amite County, Mississippi to Philemon Baldevin (sic) Van Norman and Mary Ann Rollins. Philemon Sr. was the son of Aaron Van Norman & Lucretia Bailey House Woodword and Aaron was the son of Joseph Van Norman & Elizabeth Wybern, originally of Lower Smithfield Township, Pennsylvania and later of New York State. [I have no sources for most of this] There are many on this list who descend from Joseph and Elizabeth! [But not me!] Happy Hunting! Stephen On 11/2/10, jim cook <jimrcook1@yahoo.com> wrote: > Philemon Vannorman was my GGGgrandfather. > All I know is dob 1844. > Any info will be needed. > Thanks. > Jim Cook

This looks like your ancestor: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vnfa/spousesvn3.html This page lists the Vannorman ancestor, his birth/death dates, and spouse VN, Philemon Baldevin Van NormanJan 10, 1808 - 1850Rollins, Mary Ann VN, Philemon Baldwin Aaron Van NormanFeb 28, 1844 - Feb 6, 1880McAdams, Susan Eleanor Linda Schwenn On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 6:31 AM, jim cook <jimrcook1@yahoo.com> wrote: > Philemon Vannorman was my GGGgrandfather. > All I know is dob 1844. > Any info will be needed. > Thanks. > Jim Cook > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Philemon Vannorman was my GGGgrandfather. All I know is dob  1844. Any info will be needed. Thanks. Jim Cook  

Hi Leslie, Thanks for this information. I looked at the 1865 Minnesota Census - it also lists George W. on this list - last column says Charles, George and Theodore are in service. I did not find a pension application for Theodore. Do you know when Harriett died? Where Isaac and Harriett are buried? Have you ever tried to get county death records - I don't know when Minnesota counties did death records. Anyway, I am interested in this family because I am still trying to piece together the Smithfield Van Normans and am looking at the loose end Van Normans - do you have anymore clues as to Isaac's parents? Thanks Linda Noggle On Oct 29, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Leslie Thomas wrote: > Thanks Linda N...for this research, here's some additional > information on Isaac VanNorman's family during the CW: > > Charles R. VanNorman enlisted in the Wisconsin Volunteers Co. F, 4th > Calvary was wounded 7-15-1862 at Yaazoo River mustered out 7-8-1865 > CW application #1120408 - Charles married a woman named Nancy Janet > LNU and although they had a daughter named Harriet b. Jan 18, 1871 in > Pilot Mound, Minnesota she apparently died young. The migrated to > North Dakota where he was listed on the 1890 Veteran's Schedule and > in 1900 they had adopted a daughter named Virginia. Virginia is 12 > on the 1900 census. In 1918 widow applied for Charles pension - she > had to file in Washington State at the time. Charles died 16 April > 1918 in Portland, Oregon. > > George W. VanNorman's pension application number was #222778 and was > filed in Minnesota by his mother Harriett VanNorman Feb 16, 1885. He > enlisted in in Fond du Lac as living in Lomira Wisconsin into the > Wisconsin Volunteers, Co. E, 3rd Infantry. He was killed in action > at Antietam, MD 9-17-1862. > > Also son Theodore S. Van Orman b. about 1843 - enlisted in the > Wisconsin Volunteers, Co. K, 7th Infantry shortly after 1860 and was > captured at Gettysburg and listed as died 8-19-1863 at the hospital > in Richmond VA. of disease per the records - however he's on the 1865 > Minnesota Territorial Census in Winona Co., Saratoga, MN living at > home - we think he died there shortly afterwards of disease. Seems > the records weren't always very accurate. > > James Melville was too young to serve as was brother Daniel. James > M. married Susannah Rice daughter of Harrison and Sarah Cochraine > Rice in 1870. Daniel married Elmira Ferris and mother Harriet is > listed in their home in 1885 Territorial Minnesota State in the city > of Raymond. > > Elmer was a child at the time of the CW. He was born in 1858 and > died of typhoid fever in August of 1870. > > Daughters: > Mary Harriett was married to Thomas J. Torrey and we believe he died > in the CW. Her second husband was Duane Manilus Philes. Mary also > went by the name of Hannah (which is another name for Mary). She > filed in 1900 for Duane's CW pension records claiming she was an > abandoned wife. He deserted his family in 1899 and hadn't been seen > since. Duane served in Co. C, 9th Reg't of the Minnesota Volunteer > Infantry. She claimed that first husband Torrey had disappeared > during the CW and that she had had him declared as dead. They > wouldn't let her claim pension money on Torrey since his body was > never found... she filed for half of Duane's pension. > > Adelia Sylvia married Charles L. Orcutt - she apparently died prior > to her father Isaac dying as she isn't listed in the will. Some > researchers have Charles as being in Co. F, 9th Reg't of the > Minnesota Volunteer Infantry. He wa discharged July 26, 1865 and > filed for his pension in 1893. Their two boys were reared by > Harriett and are found on the 1880 census living with their > grandmother then. > > Ella Elizabeth married my great grandfather Morris Lusk Barker in > 1888. He served in the 103rd Ohio - his pension file was almost 2 > inches thick as he had to substantiate he was an American - since he > had lied about everything from where he was born to who his parents > were. He was only 14 when he enlisted. He was fighting in Georgia > (where I live now) at Resaca while my husband's great grandfather was > fighting in the Wheat Fields of Gettysburg. Nope we seldom fight > over the CW - we have learned that it was a horrific time and we > accept that it was horrible for both sides. > > > Leslie Barker Thomas > Fear less; hope more. Eat less; chew more. Talk less; say more. Hate > less; love more, and all good thing will be yours. > - Swedish Proverb - > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Linda Noggle > <lindanoggle@verizon.net>wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I went to the National Archives and looked at a few of the Van Norman >> pensions for the civil war. Thought these might be of interest to >> those >> that are related >> >> >> >> >> George W. Van Norman - Co E. 3rd Reg. - WIsconsin Infantry - >> enlisted from >> Fond du Lac, Wisconsin >> >> Born 1840 - New York - died 9/17/1862 at Antietam >> his mother Harriet Van Norman filed for pension in 1885 >> It looks like she did not furnish all the information they needed, >> >> It did say she was the wife of Isaac Van Norman who had died >> 12/22/1879, >> aged 84 years >> It did not give her maiden name >> It listed the surving brothers and sisters of George >> >> Charles R. born 1837 >> Mary H. born 1838 >> Theo S. born 1843 >> James M. born 1845 >> Daniel E. born 1847 >> Adelia S. born 1849 >> Ella E. born 1853 >> Elmer J. born 1856 >> >> >> >> A E. Koefod and Olle Gilbertson signed as witnesses to her >> declaration for >> pension. >> >> >> >> Linda Noggle >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It's nice to find something that is a lead for someone. Good luck with your searching! Arlene On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:01 AM, <vannorman-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: John T. VANORMAN obituary (died about 1970) (Linda Schwenn) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 22:24:56 -0400 > From: Linda Schwenn <schwel@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] John T. VANORMAN obituary (died about 1970) > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <AANLkTikk_Yi6FsUkaK=xh31EkK2FjAD7CX-2h_B8WZYo@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Linda, Where is that cemetery? Did you find the records online? > > On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Linda Noggle <lindanoggle@verizon.net > >wrote: > > > Hi Again, > > > > I just found John T. Vanorman's parents buried in Glenwood Cemetery also > > (James and Pearl Carrie) and I looked in the Minnesota Death Records and > > found Harold's death record 5/24/1984 in Minnesota and it gave his > mother's > > maiden name as Lindsey. So it is Pearl Carrie Lindsey Van Norman died > > 11/28/1961. James died 2/1/1929. > > > > Thanks for this lead - I am hoping I get a response from person that > > submitted family tree. There were quite a few Labar's in the Stroud, > > Monroe, PA area at that time. Think I might look at wills for Labars. > > Thanks again. > > > > Linda Noggle > > On Oct 31, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Linda Schwenn wrote: > > > > > I think Jerry is enumerated in 1850 Stroud, Monroe, PA; James Vannorman > > 48 > > > laborer, Mariah 43, Morris 20, Abby 15, Phebe 10, Abraham 6, Jemima 4, > > > Jerred 1 > > > > > > Linda Schwenn > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Arlene Reeves < > arlenevreeves@gmail.com > > >wrote: > > > > > >> Found this obit on http://www.joycetice.com/clippings/tcobt190.htm > > >> > > >> "These Obituaries came from a scrapbook located at the Steele Memorial > > >> Library in Elmira, New York the newspapers from which they came were > not > > >> named. Sharon Newman" > > >> > > >> John T. *VANORMAN*, 70, of 109 Bradford St., Sayre, a retired general > > car > > >> foreman for the Lehigh Valley Railroad, died early this morning at the > > >> Robert Packer Hospital following and extended illness. (?? 1971 > > >> handwritten) > > >> Born in Waverly, May 3, 1900, he had spent his early life in Niagara > > Falls. > > >> He had been employed by the Lehigh Railroad for 47 years retiring > three > > >> years ago. Mr. VanOrman traveled extensively for the railroad as a > > general > > >> car foreman. He was a member of the Church of the Redeemer in Sayre, a > > >> member of the B.A.R.E, of Niagara River Lodge No. 785, F. and A.M. and > > of > > >> Waverly Moose Lodge No. 1490. Surviving are his wife, Margaret; two > > >> daughters, Mrs. David (JoAnne) Price of Sayre and Mrs. Philip > (Margaret) > > >> Blend of Westfield, Mass.; five grandchildren ; a sister, Miss > Dorothea > > >> VanOrman of Niagara Falls; three brothers, Howard and James, both of > > >> Niagara > > >> Falls and Harold of Duluth, Minn.; several nieces, nephews and > cousins. > > >> Friends may call at the Kolb-Allgeier Funeral Home, 126 N. Elmer Ave., > > >> Sayre, Sunday from 2 to 4 and 7 to 9 p.m. Funeral and committal > services > > >> will be held Monday morning at 11 o?clock at the Church of the > Redeemer > > in > > >> Sayre. Rev. Albert Greene, rector, will officiate. Burial will be in > > >> Glenwood Cemetery, Waverly. In lieu of flowers it has been requested > > that > > >> contributions be made to the Memorial Fund of the Church of the > > Redeemer. > > >> Waverly Moose Lodge will conduct memorial services at the funeral home > > >> Sunday at 8 p.m. > > >> > > >> I found John in the: > > >> > > >> 1900 census Waverly, Tioga, New York *Van Orman* James ?1873, Carrie- > > 1878, > > >> Richard 1895, Howard 1897, John 1900 > > >> > > >> 1910 census Elmira Ward 12, Chemung, New York *Van Arman*: James-1874 > > (not > > >> indexed), Pearl 1879, Richard 1896, Howard 1898, John 1901, Dorothy > > 1902, > > >> James 1905, Archie, 1906 > > >> > > >> 1920 census Manchester, Ontario, New York *Van Aunan: *John 1875, > Pearl > > >> 1880, Howard 1898, John 1900, James 1902, Dorothy 1903, Archie 1908, > > >> Harold > > >> 1915 > > >> > > >> 1930 census Niagara Falls, Niagara, New York *Van Orman * John T. 1902 > > >> (head), Pearl Cirl 1880, Doratha M. 1903, James L. 1905, Howard R > > 1914 > > >> > > >> 1880 census Ithaca, Tompkins, New York *Van Orman* Jerry 1850, > Elizabeth > > >> 1855, James 1873 (found a Gerrid on a family tree with a father of > James > > >> Henry Van Orman, mother Miria Lebar) > > >> I don't know this family but hope it's some help to others. > > >> Arlene > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the VANNORMAN list administrator, send an email to > VANNORMAN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the VANNORMAN mailing list, send an email to > VANNORMAN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of VANNORMAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 194 > ***************************************** >

Linda, Where is that cemetery? Did you find the records online? On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Linda Noggle <lindanoggle@verizon.net>wrote: > Hi Again, > > I just found John T. Vanorman's parents buried in Glenwood Cemetery also > (James and Pearl Carrie) and I looked in the Minnesota Death Records and > found Harold's death record 5/24/1984 in Minnesota and it gave his mother's > maiden name as Lindsey. So it is Pearl Carrie Lindsey Van Norman died > 11/28/1961. James died 2/1/1929. > > Thanks for this lead - I am hoping I get a response from person that > submitted family tree. There were quite a few Labar's in the Stroud, > Monroe, PA area at that time. Think I might look at wills for Labars. > Thanks again. > > Linda Noggle > On Oct 31, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Linda Schwenn wrote: > > > I think Jerry is enumerated in 1850 Stroud, Monroe, PA; James Vannorman > 48 > > laborer, Mariah 43, Morris 20, Abby 15, Phebe 10, Abraham 6, Jemima 4, > > Jerred 1 > > > > Linda Schwenn > > > > On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Arlene Reeves <arlenevreeves@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > >> Found this obit on http://www.joycetice.com/clippings/tcobt190.htm > >> > >> "These Obituaries came from a scrapbook located at the Steele Memorial > >> Library in Elmira, New York the newspapers from which they came were not > >> named. Sharon Newman" > >> > >> John T. *VANORMAN*, 70, of 109 Bradford St., Sayre, a retired general > car > >> foreman for the Lehigh Valley Railroad, died early this morning at the > >> Robert Packer Hospital following and extended illness. (?? 1971 > >> handwritten) > >> Born in Waverly, May 3, 1900, he had spent his early life in Niagara > Falls. > >> He had been employed by the Lehigh Railroad for 47 years retiring three > >> years ago. Mr. VanOrman traveled extensively for the railroad as a > general > >> car foreman. He was a member of the Church of the Redeemer in Sayre, a > >> member of the B.A.R.E, of Niagara River Lodge No. 785, F. and A.M. and > of > >> Waverly Moose Lodge No. 1490. Surviving are his wife, Margaret; two > >> daughters, Mrs. David (JoAnne) Price of Sayre and Mrs. Philip (Margaret) > >> Blend of Westfield, Mass.; five grandchildren ; a sister, Miss Dorothea > >> VanOrman of Niagara Falls; three brothers, Howard and James, both of > >> Niagara > >> Falls and Harold of Duluth, Minn.; several nieces, nephews and cousins. > >> Friends may call at the Kolb-Allgeier Funeral Home, 126 N. Elmer Ave., > >> Sayre, Sunday from 2 to 4 and 7 to 9 p.m. Funeral and committal services > >> will be held Monday morning at 11 o’clock at the Church of the Redeemer > in > >> Sayre. Rev. Albert Greene, rector, will officiate. Burial will be in > >> Glenwood Cemetery, Waverly. In lieu of flowers it has been requested > that > >> contributions be made to the Memorial Fund of the Church of the > Redeemer. > >> Waverly Moose Lodge will conduct memorial services at the funeral home > >> Sunday at 8 p.m. > >> > >> I found John in the: > >> > >> 1900 census Waverly, Tioga, New York *Van Orman* James –1873, Carrie- > 1878, > >> Richard 1895, Howard 1897, John 1900 > >> > >> 1910 census Elmira Ward 12, Chemung, New York *Van Arman*: James-1874 > (not > >> indexed), Pearl 1879, Richard 1896, Howard 1898, John 1901, Dorothy > 1902, > >> James 1905, Archie, 1906 > >> > >> 1920 census Manchester, Ontario, New York *Van Aunan: *John 1875, Pearl > >> 1880, Howard 1898, John 1900, James 1902, Dorothy 1903, Archie 1908, > >> Harold > >> 1915 > >> > >> 1930 census Niagara Falls, Niagara, New York *Van Orman * John T. 1902 > >> (head), Pearl Cirl 1880, Doratha M. 1903, James L. 1905, Howard R > 1914 > >> > >> 1880 census Ithaca, Tompkins, New York *Van Orman* Jerry 1850, Elizabeth > >> 1855, James 1873 (found a Gerrid on a family tree with a father of James > >> Henry Van Orman, mother Miria Lebar) > >> I don't know this family but hope it's some help to others. > >> Arlene > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Again, I just found John T. Vanorman's parents buried in Glenwood Cemetery also (James and Pearl Carrie) and I looked in the Minnesota Death Records and found Harold's death record 5/24/1984 in Minnesota and it gave his mother's maiden name as Lindsey. So it is Pearl Carrie Lindsey Van Norman died 11/28/1961. James died 2/1/1929. Thanks for this lead - I am hoping I get a response from person that submitted family tree. There were quite a few Labar's in the Stroud, Monroe, PA area at that time. Think I might look at wills for Labars. Thanks again. Linda Noggle On Oct 31, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Linda Schwenn wrote: > I think Jerry is enumerated in 1850 Stroud, Monroe, PA; James Vannorman 48 > laborer, Mariah 43, Morris 20, Abby 15, Phebe 10, Abraham 6, Jemima 4, > Jerred 1 > > Linda Schwenn > > On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Arlene Reeves <arlenevreeves@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Found this obit on http://www.joycetice.com/clippings/tcobt190.htm >> >> "These Obituaries came from a scrapbook located at the Steele Memorial >> Library in Elmira, New York the newspapers from which they came were not >> named. Sharon Newman" >> >> John T. *VANORMAN*, 70, of 109 Bradford St., Sayre, a retired general car >> foreman for the Lehigh Valley Railroad, died early this morning at the >> Robert Packer Hospital following and extended illness. (?? 1971 >> handwritten) >> Born in Waverly, May 3, 1900, he had spent his early life in Niagara Falls. >> He had been employed by the Lehigh Railroad for 47 years retiring three >> years ago. Mr. VanOrman traveled extensively for the railroad as a general >> car foreman. He was a member of the Church of the Redeemer in Sayre, a >> member of the B.A.R.E, of Niagara River Lodge No. 785, F. and A.M. and of >> Waverly Moose Lodge No. 1490. Surviving are his wife, Margaret; two >> daughters, Mrs. David (JoAnne) Price of Sayre and Mrs. Philip (Margaret) >> Blend of Westfield, Mass.; five grandchildren ; a sister, Miss Dorothea >> VanOrman of Niagara Falls; three brothers, Howard and James, both of >> Niagara >> Falls and Harold of Duluth, Minn.; several nieces, nephews and cousins. >> Friends may call at the Kolb-Allgeier Funeral Home, 126 N. Elmer Ave., >> Sayre, Sunday from 2 to 4 and 7 to 9 p.m. Funeral and committal services >> will be held Monday morning at 11 o’clock at the Church of the Redeemer in >> Sayre. Rev. Albert Greene, rector, will officiate. Burial will be in >> Glenwood Cemetery, Waverly. In lieu of flowers it has been requested that >> contributions be made to the Memorial Fund of the Church of the Redeemer. >> Waverly Moose Lodge will conduct memorial services at the funeral home >> Sunday at 8 p.m. >> >> I found John in the: >> >> 1900 census Waverly, Tioga, New York *Van Orman* James –1873, Carrie- 1878, >> Richard 1895, Howard 1897, John 1900 >> >> 1910 census Elmira Ward 12, Chemung, New York *Van Arman*: James-1874 (not >> indexed), Pearl 1879, Richard 1896, Howard 1898, John 1901, Dorothy 1902, >> James 1905, Archie, 1906 >> >> 1920 census Manchester, Ontario, New York *Van Aunan: *John 1875, Pearl >> 1880, Howard 1898, John 1900, James 1902, Dorothy 1903, Archie 1908, >> Harold >> 1915 >> >> 1930 census Niagara Falls, Niagara, New York *Van Orman * John T. 1902 >> (head), Pearl Cirl 1880, Doratha M. 1903, James L. 1905, Howard R 1914 >> >> 1880 census Ithaca, Tompkins, New York *Van Orman* Jerry 1850, Elizabeth >> 1855, James 1873 (found a Gerrid on a family tree with a father of James >> Henry Van Orman, mother Miria Lebar) >> I don't know this family but hope it's some help to others. >> Arlene >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think Jerry is enumerated in 1850 Stroud, Monroe, PA; James Vannorman 48 laborer, Mariah 43, Morris 20, Abby 15, Phebe 10, Abraham 6, Jemima 4, Jerred 1 Linda Schwenn On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Arlene Reeves <arlenevreeves@gmail.com>wrote: > Found this obit on http://www.joycetice.com/clippings/tcobt190.htm > > "These Obituaries came from a scrapbook located at the Steele Memorial > Library in Elmira, New York the newspapers from which they came were not > named. Sharon Newman" > > John T. *VANORMAN*, 70, of 109 Bradford St., Sayre, a retired general car > foreman for the Lehigh Valley Railroad, died early this morning at the > Robert Packer Hospital following and extended illness. (?? 1971 > handwritten) > Born in Waverly, May 3, 1900, he had spent his early life in Niagara Falls. > He had been employed by the Lehigh Railroad for 47 years retiring three > years ago. Mr. VanOrman traveled extensively for the railroad as a general > car foreman. He was a member of the Church of the Redeemer in Sayre, a > member of the B.A.R.E, of Niagara River Lodge No. 785, F. and A.M. and of > Waverly Moose Lodge No. 1490. Surviving are his wife, Margaret; two > daughters, Mrs. David (JoAnne) Price of Sayre and Mrs. Philip (Margaret) > Blend of Westfield, Mass.; five grandchildren ; a sister, Miss Dorothea > VanOrman of Niagara Falls; three brothers, Howard and James, both of > Niagara > Falls and Harold of Duluth, Minn.; several nieces, nephews and cousins. > Friends may call at the Kolb-Allgeier Funeral Home, 126 N. Elmer Ave., > Sayre, Sunday from 2 to 4 and 7 to 9 p.m. Funeral and committal services > will be held Monday morning at 11 o’clock at the Church of the Redeemer in > Sayre. Rev. Albert Greene, rector, will officiate. Burial will be in > Glenwood Cemetery, Waverly. In lieu of flowers it has been requested that > contributions be made to the Memorial Fund of the Church of the Redeemer. > Waverly Moose Lodge will conduct memorial services at the funeral home > Sunday at 8 p.m. > > I found John in the: > > 1900 census Waverly, Tioga, New York *Van Orman* James –1873, Carrie- 1878, > Richard 1895, Howard 1897, John 1900 > > 1910 census Elmira Ward 12, Chemung, New York *Van Arman*: James-1874 (not > indexed), Pearl 1879, Richard 1896, Howard 1898, John 1901, Dorothy 1902, > James 1905, Archie, 1906 > > 1920 census Manchester, Ontario, New York *Van Aunan: *John 1875, Pearl > 1880, Howard 1898, John 1900, James 1902, Dorothy 1903, Archie 1908, > Harold > 1915 > > 1930 census Niagara Falls, Niagara, New York *Van Orman * John T. 1902 > (head), Pearl Cirl 1880, Doratha M. 1903, James L. 1905, Howard R 1914 > > 1880 census Ithaca, Tompkins, New York *Van Orman* Jerry 1850, Elizabeth > 1855, James 1873 (found a Gerrid on a family tree with a father of James > Henry Van Orman, mother Miria Lebar) > I don't know this family but hope it's some help to others. > Arlene > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Arlene, Thank you for posting this - I had not seen the reference to Mira Labar before - I just contacted the family tree owner to see where they got that information. I believe James Vanorman was a brother to my ancestor Jacob Vanorman - the father to both of them Samuel that lived in Stroudsburg, Monroe Co., PA. Linda Noggle On Oct 31, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Arlene Reeves wrote: > Found this obit on http://www.joycetice.com/clippings/tcobt190.htm > > "These Obituaries came from a scrapbook located at the Steele Memorial > Library in Elmira, New York the newspapers from which they came were not > named. Sharon Newman" > > John T. *VANORMAN*, 70, of 109 Bradford St., Sayre, a retired general car > foreman for the Lehigh Valley Railroad, died early this morning at the > Robert Packer Hospital following and extended illness. (?? 1971 handwritten) > Born in Waverly, May 3, 1900, he had spent his early life in Niagara Falls. > He had been employed by the Lehigh Railroad for 47 years retiring three > years ago. Mr. VanOrman traveled extensively for the railroad as a general > car foreman. He was a member of the Church of the Redeemer in Sayre, a > member of the B.A.R.E, of Niagara River Lodge No. 785, F. and A.M. and of > Waverly Moose Lodge No. 1490. Surviving are his wife, Margaret; two > daughters, Mrs. David (JoAnne) Price of Sayre and Mrs. Philip (Margaret) > Blend of Westfield, Mass.; five grandchildren ; a sister, Miss Dorothea > VanOrman of Niagara Falls; three brothers, Howard and James, both of Niagara > Falls and Harold of Duluth, Minn.; several nieces, nephews and cousins. > Friends may call at the Kolb-Allgeier Funeral Home, 126 N. Elmer Ave., > Sayre, Sunday from 2 to 4 and 7 to 9 p.m. Funeral and committal services > will be held Monday morning at 11 o’clock at the Church of the Redeemer in > Sayre. Rev. Albert Greene, rector, will officiate. Burial will be in > Glenwood Cemetery, Waverly. In lieu of flowers it has been requested that > contributions be made to the Memorial Fund of the Church of the Redeemer. > Waverly Moose Lodge will conduct memorial services at the funeral home > Sunday at 8 p.m. > > I found John in the: > > 1900 census Waverly, Tioga, New York *Van Orman* James –1873, Carrie- 1878, > Richard 1895, Howard 1897, John 1900 > > 1910 census Elmira Ward 12, Chemung, New York *Van Arman*: James-1874 (not > indexed), Pearl 1879, Richard 1896, Howard 1898, John 1901, Dorothy 1902, > James 1905, Archie, 1906 > > 1920 census Manchester, Ontario, New York *Van Aunan: *John 1875, Pearl > 1880, Howard 1898, John 1900, James 1902, Dorothy 1903, Archie 1908, Harold > 1915 > > 1930 census Niagara Falls, Niagara, New York *Van Orman * John T. 1902 > (head), Pearl Cirl 1880, Doratha M. 1903, James L. 1905, Howard R 1914 > > 1880 census Ithaca, Tompkins, New York *Van Orman* Jerry 1850, Elizabeth > 1855, James 1873 (found a Gerrid on a family tree with a father of James > Henry Van Orman, mother Miria Lebar) > I don't know this family but hope it's some help to others. > Arlene > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message