Relative to Henry VanArman the ditch digger in Arizona, possible son of Henry and Maria Marsh VA. I think this is he: Henry Vanarman 1880 Douglas, Oregon dwelling #78, 56, married, laborer, disabled, NY NY NY Note that Zacheus Vanorman, son of Henry and Maria Marsh VA is in Coles Valley, Douglas in 1880

It's why I stopped working on this line 10 years ago and why I'm going after original records now. There's something desperately screwed up here. And I can't even blame it on half-fast Internet people. --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Schwenn" <schwel@comcast.net> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Double Van Arnam (etc.) family connection > FYI: > State of Illinois online marriage database: > > HUMPHREY, G H VANARMAN, MAUD > 1870-08-25 001/ FINK COOK > HUMPHREY, GRIFFITH H VANARMAN, LIZZIE MRS > 1870-08-21 A/ 101 4011 MC HENRY > > > > On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Stephen Wood <stephe.w300@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> While I was going through records on the net this past week, I >> stumbled upon the following index to this marriage record. [at: >> beta.familysearch.org] >> >> Hiram M. Van Arman; born Cleveland Ohio; son of Richard H. & Elizabeth >> Van Arman; to Melissa Daman; daughter of Amos & Elizabeth Daman >> married 29 May 1862 in Shullsburg, La Fayette, Lafayette County, >> Wisconsin. >> >> Not only was this (first) marriage of Hiram's unknown to myself, as a >> 1907 writeup in "History of the State of California and biographical >> record of Oakland and environs" for the Hon. Hiram Miller Van Arman >> (1839 - 1904) only mentions his widow Isabella Haines, whom he had wed >> by 1870, but it shed some light on another puzzle that had been around >> for a number of years. >> >> Melissa A. Daman (c1839/40 Illinois - prob. 1881 Illinois) has >> turned out to likely be a first cousin of Hiram, the daughter of Amos >> Daman / Damon and Elizabeth "Eliza" Van Arnam (c1800 NY - prob. 1888 >> Illinois). She was residing as M. Van Arman with her mother in the >> 1870 census return of Marengo, McHenry County, Illinois, but likely >> remarried to a Mr. Humphrey sometime prior to the 1880 census when she >> was [probably] listed with her mother as "Maud" Humphrey. >> >> Pete and I believe that Elizabeth is the daughter of Jacob Van >> Arnam & Catharina Hemstraet, as was Richard H. Van Arman (c1803/6 NY - >> 1881 CA), the father of Hiram. [FYI - This Jacob is the common >> ancestor for both Pete and I, but we descend from different wives.] >> >> There are several Daman family outlines on Rootsweb's Worldconnect >> project, but my research appears to differ slightly from what is >> posted for the children. [I can't connect the 2 eldest sons at the >> moment, so I won't post their information] >> >> Based on the 1830,1840 and later census returns for Amos & Elizabeth >> Daman, the family appears to consist of the following children: >> >> son b. 1821/25 >> son b. 1821/25 >> Eliza b. 1825/30 m. Elisha Lamphear Jr. 1843 >> Ill. >> Harriet Arvilla b. 1828/29 Ohio m. Amos B. Coon 1846 >> Ill. >> Ann C. b. c1831 Ohio m. John Clark >> 1856 >> Ill. >> George Washington b. c1835 MI m.1) Caroline M. Blake 1856 Wis. >> m.2) Matilda S. >> Marsh 1890 Neb. >> Melissa A. [Maud?] b. 1839/40 Ill. m.1) Miller Van Arman 1862 Wis. >> m.2) >> Humphrey 187? >> >> >> Here are the two early census returns for Amos & Elizabeth, with >> corresponding given names as I perceive them to be: >> >> 1830 census Leroy township, Geauga County, Ohio - Possible entry >> Amos Deming >> 2 males 5-9 ? & ? >> 1 male 30-39 Amos >> 2 females under 5 Eliza & "Hattie" >> 1 female 15-19 ? >> 1 female 30-39 Eliza >> >> ! 1840 census McHenry County, Illinois >> Amos Daman >> 1 male 5-9; George W >> 2 males 15-19; ? & ? >> 1 male 30-39 Amos >> 1 female under 5; Melissa A. >> 1 female 5-9; Ann C. >> 2 females 10-14; Eliza & "Hattie" >> 1 female 30-39. Eliza >> >> The hunt for additional information goes on..... >> >> Stephen >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A Hiram VanArman was Territorial Secretary 1883-1885 - in Arizona. However, the family tree records show a son, Lewis - b 1832, d 1894. marrried Mary Taft & they had a son, George Henry VanArman b.1862 d 1953. No other information in the site I used. Also a Mattie M(artha) Van Arman b 1889, d 1989. > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:41:29 -0500 > From: schwel@comcast.net > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: [VANNORMAN] Henry son of Henry and Maria Marsh Vanarman > > Relative to Henry VanArman the ditch digger in Arizona, possible son of > Henry and Maria Marsh VA. > I think this is he: > Henry Vanarman 1880 Douglas, Oregon dwelling #78, 56, married, laborer, > disabled, NY NY NY > Note that Zacheus Vanorman, son of Henry and Maria Marsh VA is in Coles > Valley, Douglas in 1880 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

First, these folks had a lot of money to buy land! To see the Jr. you have to look at the image of the deed itself. That icon is to the left of the name. Those images are the most valuable part of the results for they often include the place of residence at time of purchase and additional info, like the Jr., a middle name that isn't on most other documents, or the name of a co-purchaser. Can't remember exactly but I think 3 of the John Van Arnam ones included the Jr. If those JV, Jr. properties are contiguous and separate from John Van Arnam's, then that would suggest a separate person. Here's info I found to educate myself on warrants: "A bounty land warrant application for a veteran of the Revolutionary War, War of 1812 or the Mexican War will include the individual's rank, military unit and period of service. It will also generally provide his age and place of residence at the time of application. If the application was made by the surviving widow, it will usually include her age, place of residence, the date and place of marriage, and her maiden name." So we know John survived the Mexican war and was alive in 1850. If we had the application we might know his residence at time of application. He applied for the land and then found a buyer, Mr. Worden. I think at least one of John Sr.'s and one of Damon's purchases was of someone else's warrant. Wouldn't the John Jr. be John 1826 the musician? It is curious that he'd sell his land warrant in 1850 but maybe it makes perfect sense if he made money on it or wanted to buy land elsewhere than where the warrant specified, especially if it was poor land. The land is in DeKalb County and if he is the John Jr then he wanted land in Lee County near his relatives. Evidently the warrant specifies a particular piece of property, not take your pick. Benjamin Worden is still in DeKalb in 1860 and 1870 so he must have made a go of it. Thought he might have married a VA but her maiden name was Ferguson so there's no familial connection. Linda On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Stephen Wood <stephe.w300@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi! > > Interesting material Linda, thanks! > > James M. and Damon Van Arnam were brothers, sons of Jacob Van Arnam and > his 2nd wife Harriet Jones. There are several "unknown" people purchasing > land with the Van Arnams - perhaps just others speculating on land with the > Van Arnam's???? > > I couldn't get a "John Jr." to come up as such - just Johns. Were you > just asking if there was more than one person named John? Or did you > actually get a John Jr. entry? > I agree that the musician entry is for a different John than the one who > married Chloe... > > Do you read it that Benjamin Worden purchased in 1850 the land that John > Van > Arman the musician was granted in 1847? > > Stephen > > > On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Linda Schwenn <schwel@comcast.net> wrote: > > > http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/PatentSearch/ > > Illinois, Van Arnam > > > > > > A few things of interest here, but you need to look at the image for the > > deed to see some of it: > > ---James M. and Damon went together on a purchase....and more than once. > > ---John and John Jr.??? Do you think these are two different people or > one? > > I'm inclined to say two and that John Jr. is our musician. That land had > to > > be sold sometime. A sale date might help reveal how long he lived. > > ---Anyone know how Daniel Mason fits in with this bunch? > > > > Linda > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi! Interesting material Linda, thanks! James M. and Damon Van Arnam were brothers, sons of Jacob Van Arnam and his 2nd wife Harriet Jones. There are several "unknown" people purchasing land with the Van Arnams - perhaps just others speculating on land with the Van Arnam's???? I couldn't get a "John Jr." to come up as such - just Johns. Were you just asking if there was more than one person named John? Or did you actually get a John Jr. entry? I agree that the musician entry is for a different John than the one who married Chloe... Do you read it that Benjamin Worden purchased in 1850 the land that John Van Arman the musician was granted in 1847? Stephen On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Linda Schwenn <schwel@comcast.net> wrote: > http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/PatentSearch/ > Illinois, Van Arnam > > > A few things of interest here, but you need to look at the image for the > deed to see some of it: > ---James M. and Damon went together on a purchase....and more than once. > ---John and John Jr.??? Do you think these are two different people or one? > I'm inclined to say two and that John Jr. is our musician. That land had to > be sold sometime. A sale date might help reveal how long he lived. > ---Anyone know how Daniel Mason fits in with this bunch? > > Linda >

http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/PatentSearch/ Illinois, Van Arnam A few things of interest here, but you need to look at the image for the deed to see some of it: ---James M. and Damon went together on a purchase....and more than once. ---John and John Jr.??? Do you think these are two different people or one? I'm inclined to say two and that John Jr. is our musician. That land had to be sold sometime. A sale date might help reveal how long he lived. ---Anyone know how Daniel Mason fits in with this bunch? Linda

http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/PatentSearch/ <http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/PatentSearch/>I did a copy/paste from the website. Looks good now but it may be hard to read when you get it. I think this must be John 1826 of Lockport. I'm not sure whether "late" below means *dead *or* in the near past.* I guess the latter. But would like input from someone with more experience in these records/language. Transcribed from the deed: "John Van Arman, late a musician in Captain Singleton's Company Sixteenth Regiment United State Infantry having deposited in the General Land Office a warrant in his favor numbered 38.569, there is therefore granted by the United States unto Benjamin Worden, assignee of said John VanArman and to his heirs [land description] ...." dated 20 December 1850 Aliquot Parts Sec./ Block Township Range Fract. Section Meridian State Counties Survey Nr. E½NE 22/ 41-N 3-E No 3rd PM IL Dekalb W½NW 23/ 41-N 3-E No 3rd PM IL Dekalb Patentee: BENJAMIN WORDEN Warrantee: JOHN VAN ARMAN Military Rank: MUSICIAN *Survey* State: ILLINOIS Acres: 160 Metes/Bounds: No *Title Transfer* Issue Date: 12/20/1850 Land Office: Dixon Cancelled: No U.S. Reservations: No Mineral Reservations: No Authority: February 11, 1847: ScripWarrant Act of 1847 (9 Stat. 123) Linda Schwenn

Bureau of Land Management record for Daman Vanarman N½1SW 6/ T18-N R8-E Yes 4th PM - 1815 Illinois State: IL Bureau Patentee: DAMAN VANARMAN Warrantee: DANIEL J CONEY Military Rank: PRIVATE State: ILLINOIS Acres: 40 Metes/Bounds: No Title Transfer Issue Date: 12/1/1854 Land Office: Dixon Cancelled: No U.S. Reservations: No Mineral Reservations: No Authority: September 28, 1850: ScripWarrant Act of 1850 (9 Stat. 520)

mine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Schwenn" <schwel@comcast.net> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 5:30 PM Subject: [VANNORMAN] Daman Vanarman land record Bureau of Land Management record for Daman Vanarman N½1SW 6/ T18-N R8-E Yes 4th PM - 1815 Illinois State: IL Bureau Patentee: DAMAN VANARMAN Warrantee: DANIEL J CONEY Military Rank: PRIVATE State: ILLINOIS Acres: 40 Metes/Bounds: No Title Transfer Issue Date: 12/1/1854 Land Office: Dixon Cancelled: No U.S. Reservations: No Mineral Reservations: No Authority: September 28, 1850: ScripWarrant Act of 1850 (9 Stat. 520) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hmm. Henry a miner. Nephew Lewis Comfort born in Wisconsin. Now go back to Hiram's VA's marriage in 1862 in Shullsburg, WI, which is about 20 miles from lead-mining center Galena, albeit as the crow flies. One of my questions about the marriage is why Shullsburg? There's no Damen connection of which I'm aware.... --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Wood" <stephe.w300@gmail.com> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Henry Van Arnam, 1818- 1871+,in Arizona Territory 1871 > Hi! > > This appears to Henry Van Arman / Van Orman etc., the son of > Henry Van Orman and Maria Marsh. > > In the 1870 census of Williamsons Valley, Yavapai County, Arizona > Territory, H. Vanornuna, age 48, a Miner, born New York was enumerated > just under the name of his [probably] nephew Lewis Cass Comfort, age > 23, a farmer, born Wisconsin. Lewis was the son of Elizabeth, a > daughter of Henry & Maria. > > I can spot Lewis C. Comfort in the 1880 census of Tombstone, Pima > County, Arizona (age 32, born Wisconsin, a miner) but Henry still > remains at large - as he does in the 1860 and 1850 census returns..... > [Lewis died in 1933 in Phoenix, Maricopa, Arizona according to an > index at beta.familysearch.org - I haven't searched it for Henry > yet..... > > Stephen > > > On 11/8/10, Linda Schwenn <schwel@comcast.net> wrote: >> Papers of Ulysses S. Grant: June 1, 1871-January 31, 1872, p 93 By >> Ulysses >> Simpson Grant, John Y. Simon, Ulysses S. Grant Association >> Google Books. [Google Search string: "Territory of Arizona, secretary Van >> Arman"] >> A plaintive letter to authorities during the US Grant administration from >> Henry Van Arman 11 Oct 1871 from Sacaton, Arizona Territory, describes >> how >> he and his nephew, after arriving in the spring of 1870 from the >> "ledmines" >> by wagon train across the Missouri River, constructed irrigation ditches >> to >> prepare their newly purchased land on the Salt River for farming, >> spending >> nearly all what remained of the $2800 they took west with them. While >> they >> were away, Indians came and destroyed it all. He had complained to the >> Indian agent without redress and is pleading for it now. It appears to be >> part of an investigation of abuses by and/or threats toward the Indian >> agent. >> > (snip) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Wow, Stephen, good work! I'd looked and looked for it. Linda On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Stephen Wood <stephe.w300@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi! > > This appears to Henry Van Arman / Van Orman etc., the son of > Henry Van Orman and Maria Marsh. > > In the 1870 census of Williamsons Valley, Yavapai County, Arizona > Territory, H. Vanornuna, age 48, a Miner, born New York was enumerated > just under the name of his [probably] nephew Lewis Cass Comfort, age > 23, a farmer, born Wisconsin. Lewis was the son of Elizabeth, a > daughter of Henry & Maria. > > I can spot Lewis C. Comfort in the 1880 census of Tombstone, Pima > County, Arizona (age 32, born Wisconsin, a miner) but Henry still > remains at large - as he does in the 1860 and 1850 census returns..... > [Lewis died in 1933 in Phoenix, Maricopa, Arizona according to an > index at beta.familysearch.org - I haven't searched it for Henry > yet..... > > Stephen > > > On 11/8/10, Linda Schwenn <schwel@comcast.net> wrote: > > Papers of Ulysses S. Grant: June 1, 1871-January 31, 1872, p 93 By > Ulysses > > Simpson Grant, John Y. Simon, Ulysses S. Grant Association > > Google Books. [Google Search string: "Territory of Arizona, secretary Van > > Arman"] > > A plaintive letter to authorities during the US Grant administration from > > Henry Van Arman 11 Oct 1871 from Sacaton, Arizona Territory, describes > how > > he and his nephew, after arriving in the spring of 1870 from the > "ledmines" > > by wagon train across the Missouri River, constructed irrigation ditches > to > > prepare their newly purchased land on the Salt River for farming, > spending > > nearly all what remained of the $2800 they took west with them. While > they > > were away, Indians came and destroyed it all. He had complained to the > > Indian agent without redress and is pleading for it now. It appears to be > > part of an investigation of abuses by and/or threats toward the Indian > > agent. > > > (snip) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi! FYI: The father David Van Norman was the son of Jacob Van Arnam and his second wife, Harriet Jones. This is the Jacob who married firstly to Catharina Hemstraet (various spellings) who was mentioned a couple of days ago in conjunction with Richard H. Van Arnam and Elizabeth (Van Arnam) Daman. The initial R. stands for Richard...... Stephen On 11/9/10, Linda Schwenn <schwel@comcast.net> wrote: > R. M. Van Norman, merchant, Keswick P. O., was born in North Gwillimbury in > 1845. His father, David Van Norman, was born near Kingston in 1815, and is > still living. His mother's maiden name was Eunice Crittenden, who was born > in North Gwillimbury in 1820, and died in 1857. Our subject is one of a > family of twelve children, and began life as a farmer. He afterwards > established his present business, and was appointed Postmaster of Keswick in > 1873. In 1880 Mr. Van Norman was elected a member of the Township Council, > and was Reeve for 1884. He has always taken great interest in matters > municipal. He belongs to the Christian Church, and is a Reformer in > politics. > History of Toronto and County of York, Ontario By Charles Pelham Mulvany, > Graeme Mercer Adam, p. 504, transcribed by Linda Schwenn > [Google Books] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi! This appears to Henry Van Arman / Van Orman etc., the son of Henry Van Orman and Maria Marsh. In the 1870 census of Williamsons Valley, Yavapai County, Arizona Territory, H. Vanornuna, age 48, a Miner, born New York was enumerated just under the name of his [probably] nephew Lewis Cass Comfort, age 23, a farmer, born Wisconsin. Lewis was the son of Elizabeth, a daughter of Henry & Maria. I can spot Lewis C. Comfort in the 1880 census of Tombstone, Pima County, Arizona (age 32, born Wisconsin, a miner) but Henry still remains at large - as he does in the 1860 and 1850 census returns..... [Lewis died in 1933 in Phoenix, Maricopa, Arizona according to an index at beta.familysearch.org - I haven't searched it for Henry yet..... Stephen On 11/8/10, Linda Schwenn <schwel@comcast.net> wrote: > Papers of Ulysses S. Grant: June 1, 1871-January 31, 1872, p 93 By Ulysses > Simpson Grant, John Y. Simon, Ulysses S. Grant Association > Google Books. [Google Search string: "Territory of Arizona, secretary Van > Arman"] > A plaintive letter to authorities during the US Grant administration from > Henry Van Arman 11 Oct 1871 from Sacaton, Arizona Territory, describes how > he and his nephew, after arriving in the spring of 1870 from the "ledmines" > by wagon train across the Missouri River, constructed irrigation ditches to > prepare their newly purchased land on the Salt River for farming, spending > nearly all what remained of the $2800 they took west with them. While they > were away, Indians came and destroyed it all. He had complained to the > Indian agent without redress and is pleading for it now. It appears to be > part of an investigation of abuses by and/or threats toward the Indian > agent. > (snip)

R. M. Van Norman, merchant, Keswick P. O., was born in North Gwillimbury in 1845. His father, David Van Norman, was born near Kingston in 1815, and is still living. His mother's maiden name was Eunice Crittenden, who was born in North Gwillimbury in 1820, and died in 1857. Our subject is one of a family of twelve children, and began life as a farmer. He afterwards established his present business, and was appointed Postmaster of Keswick in 1873. In 1880 Mr. Van Norman was elected a member of the Township Council, and was Reeve for 1884. He has always taken great interest in matters municipal. He belongs to the Christian Church, and is a Reformer in politics. History of Toronto and County of York, Ontario By Charles Pelham Mulvany, Graeme Mercer Adam, p. 504, transcribed by Linda Schwenn [Google Books]

As it happens, I live in the Phoenix area. I could go to the state library to see what I can find if anyone is really interested. I probably won't get there until the Christmas break though--they have limited hours and that four-letter word (work) prevents me from going most days :-) Laurie Cigan --- On Tue, 11/9/10, Stephen Wood <stephe.w300@gmail.com> wrote: From: Stephen Wood <stephe.w300@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Henry Van Arnam, 1818- 1871+, in Arizona Territory 1871 To: vannorman@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 8:30 AM Hi!      This appears to Henry Van Arman / Van Orman etc., the son of Henry Van Orman and Maria Marsh.     In the 1870 census of Williamsons Valley, Yavapai County, Arizona Territory, H. Vanornuna, age 48, a Miner, born New York was enumerated just under the name of his [probably] nephew Lewis Cass Comfort, age 23, a farmer, born Wisconsin. Lewis was the son of Elizabeth, a daughter of Henry & Maria.     I can spot Lewis C. Comfort in the 1880 census of Tombstone, Pima County, Arizona (age 32, born Wisconsin, a miner) but Henry still remains at large - as he does in the 1860 and 1850 census returns..... [Lewis died in 1933 in Phoenix, Maricopa, Arizona according to an index at beta.familysearch.org - I haven't searched it for Henry yet..... Stephen On 11/8/10, Linda Schwenn <schwel@comcast.net> wrote: > Papers of Ulysses S. Grant: June 1, 1871-January 31, 1872, p 93  By Ulysses > Simpson Grant, John Y. Simon, Ulysses S. Grant Association > Google Books. [Google Search string: "Territory of Arizona, secretary Van > Arman"] > A plaintive letter to authorities during the US Grant administration from > Henry Van Arman 11 Oct 1871 from Sacaton, Arizona Territory, describes how > he and his nephew, after arriving in the spring of 1870 from the "ledmines" > by wagon train across the Missouri River,  constructed irrigation ditches to > prepare their newly purchased land on the Salt River for farming, spending > nearly all what remained of the $2800 they took west with them. While they > were away, Indians came and destroyed it all. He had complained to the > Indian agent without redress and is pleading for it now. It appears to be > part of an investigation of abuses by and/or threats toward the Indian > agent. > (snip) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://southwest.library.arizona.edu/hav6/body.1_div.7.html History of Arizona by THOMAS EDWIN FARISH, Arizona Historian. Volume VI. Phoenix, Arizona, 1918. CHAPTER VII. PROGRESS OF SALT RIVER VALLEY "The Watson Ditch, Maddox Ditch, Van Arman Ditch, and Mexican Ditch No. 2 had each been cleaned and improved, more or less, in preparation for the spring season of 1873. " On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Linda Schwenn <schwel@comcast.net> wrote: > > Papers of Ulysses S. Grant: June 1, 1871-January 31, 1872, p 93 By > Ulysses Simpson Grant, John Y. Simon, Ulysses S. Grant Association > Google Books. [Google Search string: "Territory of Arizona, secretary Van > Arman"] > A plaintive letter to authorities during the US Grant administration from > Henry Van Arman 11 Oct 1871 from Sacaton, Arizona Territory, describes how > he and his nephew, after arriving in the spring of 1870 from the "ledmines" > by wagon train across the Missouri River, constructed irrigation ditches to > prepare their newly purchased land on the Salt River for farming, spending > nearly all what remained of the $2800 they took west with them. While they > were away, Indians came and destroyed it all. He had complained to the > Indian agent without redress and is pleading for it now. It appears to be > part of an investigation of abuses by and/or threats toward the Indian > agent. > > "On Oct. 11, Henry Van Arman, Sacaton, Arizona Territory, wrote to USG > "haveing left our home in the ledmines two-years ago last my for the west my > self and Nephew with the Sad to be the best waggon and team that had crossed > the Mo River that Season and $2800 twenty eight hundred Dollars in Cash we > brought upon Salt River in this territory about 18 month Since whare we > located farms and constructed a canal or ditch about 3 miles in length for > the purposs of irrogateing our farms which cost us evry thing we had Save > our groing Crop and improvenants which if we could have Saved would made us > quite independant but while absent for a few days leaveing my house in care > of a neighbor to attend to the Merricopa and Pemi or Pemoi Indians Made a > raid upon my place and Destroid evry thing we had a full Statementment of > which we have forwarded to the indian department with our affidavits and > other testimony now my good President Since doing this we are told unless > we employ a lobby lawyer we will not get any thing in 3 or 4 years and then > it will take all we claim to pay him --I am now working for the Indian agent > at Gila reservation whare I mit in person Mr. Vincent Colier and Stated our > Situation to him and he told me he would do all he could for me. Since the I > have been told by one in authority that he, colier receives thousand of > letters that he never reads them and will probably neve think of me again > now my Drs I am 53 years of age have spent all the best part of my life in > the mines you must know about what I am at this time of life and how well I > am capasitated to work by the month for my living which this misfortune > compels me to do which is terable on me allthough this agen is a verry good > Man to work for --now I will close by Saying in gods name help me if you > can, and please let me know at your earleyst convenience Direct to Gila > reservation A. T. in care of J. H. Stout of whom you can ask any question > relative to me you please and he will answer" ALS, ibid., RG 75, Letters > Received, Arizona Superintendency." > > Linda Schwenn >

Yes, but were they there in the 1840's? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Noggle" <lindanoggle@verizon.net> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [VANNORMAN] Henry Van Arnam, 1818- 1871+,in Arizona Territory 1871 > Hi All, > > Just to let you know there are lead mines in Ohio, Kentucky and Missouri. > > I know because I followed another ancestor from the lead mines of Kentucky > to Ohio, Illinois and Missouri. > > Linda > On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Pete Gonigam wrote: > >> There's a possibility this Henry is connected to the Jacob (1773) line >> somehow. Mostly on the basis of the "ledmines" mentioned in his letter. >> Jacob's son Richard (H or M or maybe A) Van Arnam was located in Galena, >> IL, >> from, near as I can tell, about 1845 to perhaps as late as around 1870. >> Galena was originally all about mining lead. >> >> This Henry claims to be 53 in 1871 and "spent all the best part of my >> life >> in the mines" which more or less fits Galena Richard's apparent timing. >> Problem is this Henry's age would make him born about 1818. That makes >> him >> too old to be one of Richard's children. On the other hand, we actually >> have what appears to be a reliable list of Jacob's children and there's >> no >> Henry on it. (Not to mention Henry isn't a name that belongs in the >> line, >> anyway.) >> >> There are a number of other U.S. "strays" that might connect with the >> Richard of Galena line but I haven't been able to find proof either way >> for >> 10 years now. >> >> --pete >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Linda Schwenn" <schwel@comcast.net> >> To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:31 AM >> Subject: [VANNORMAN] Henry Van Arnam, 1818- 1871+, in Arizona Territory >> 1871 >> >> >>> Papers of Ulysses S. Grant: June 1, 1871-January 31, 1872, p 93 By >>> Ulysses >>> Simpson Grant, John Y. Simon, Ulysses S. Grant Association >>> Google Books. [Google Search string: "Territory of Arizona, secretary >>> Van >>> Arman"] >>> A plaintive letter to authorities during the US Grant administration >>> from >>> Henry Van Arman 11 Oct 1871 from Sacaton, Arizona Territory, describes >>> how >>> he and his nephew, after arriving in the spring of 1870 from the >>> "ledmines" >>> by wagon train across the Missouri River, constructed irrigation >>> ditches >>> to >>> prepare their newly purchased land on the Salt River for farming, >>> spending >>> nearly all what remained of the $2800 they took west with them. While >>> they >>> were away, Indians came and destroyed it all. He had complained to the >>> Indian agent without redress and is pleading for it now. It appears to >>> be >>> part of an investigation of abuses by and/or threats toward the Indian >>> agent. >>> >>> "On Oct. 11, Henry Van Arman, Sacaton, Arizona Territory, wrote to USG >>> "haveing left our home in the ledmines two-years ago last my for the >>> west >>> my >>> self and Nephew with the Sad to be the best waggon and team that had >>> crossed >>> the Mo River that Season and $2800 twenty eight hundred Dollars in Cash >>> we >>> brought upon Salt River in this territory about 18 month Since whare we >>> located farms and constructed a canal or ditch about 3 miles in length >>> for >>> the purposs of irrogateing our farms which cost us evry thing we had >>> Save >>> our groing Crop and improvenants which if we could have Saved would made >>> us >>> quite independant but while absent for a few days leaveing my house in >>> care >>> of a neighbor to attend to the Merricopa and Pemi or Pemoi Indians Made >>> a >>> raid upon my place and Destroid evry thing we had a full Statementment >>> of >>> which we have forwarded to the indian department with our affidavits and >>> other testimony now my good President Since doing this we are told >>> unless >>> we employ a lobby lawyer we will not get any thing in 3 or 4 years and >>> then >>> it will take all we claim to pay him --I am now working for the Indian >>> agent >>> at Gila reservation whare I mit in person Mr. Vincent Colier and Stated >>> our >>> Situation to him and he told me he would do all he could for me. Since >>> the >>> I >>> have been told by one in authority that he, colier receives thousand of >>> letters that he never reads them and will probably neve think of me >>> again >>> now my Drs I am 53 years of age have spent all the best part of my life >>> in >>> the mines you must know about what I am at this time of life and how >>> well >>> I >>> am capasitated to work by the month for my living which this misfortune >>> compels me to do which is terable on me allthough this agen is a verry >>> good >>> Man to work for --now I will close by Saying in gods name help me if you >>> can, and please let me know at your earleyst convenience Direct to Gila >>> reservation A. T. in care of J. H. Stout of whom you can ask any >>> question >>> relative to me you please and he will answer" ALS, ibid., RG 75, Letters >>> Received, Arizona Superintendency." >>> >>> Linda Schwenn >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi All, Just to let you know there are lead mines in Ohio, Kentucky and Missouri. I know because I followed another ancestor from the lead mines of Kentucky to Ohio, Illinois and Missouri. Linda On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Pete Gonigam wrote: > There's a possibility this Henry is connected to the Jacob (1773) line > somehow. Mostly on the basis of the "ledmines" mentioned in his letter. > Jacob's son Richard (H or M or maybe A) Van Arnam was located in Galena, IL, > from, near as I can tell, about 1845 to perhaps as late as around 1870. > Galena was originally all about mining lead. > > This Henry claims to be 53 in 1871 and "spent all the best part of my life > in the mines" which more or less fits Galena Richard's apparent timing. > Problem is this Henry's age would make him born about 1818. That makes him > too old to be one of Richard's children. On the other hand, we actually > have what appears to be a reliable list of Jacob's children and there's no > Henry on it. (Not to mention Henry isn't a name that belongs in the line, > anyway.) > > There are a number of other U.S. "strays" that might connect with the > Richard of Galena line but I haven't been able to find proof either way for > 10 years now. > > --pete > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Schwenn" <schwel@comcast.net> > To: <vannorman@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:31 AM > Subject: [VANNORMAN] Henry Van Arnam, 1818- 1871+, in Arizona Territory 1871 > > >> Papers of Ulysses S. Grant: June 1, 1871-January 31, 1872, p 93 By >> Ulysses >> Simpson Grant, John Y. Simon, Ulysses S. Grant Association >> Google Books. [Google Search string: "Territory of Arizona, secretary Van >> Arman"] >> A plaintive letter to authorities during the US Grant administration from >> Henry Van Arman 11 Oct 1871 from Sacaton, Arizona Territory, describes how >> he and his nephew, after arriving in the spring of 1870 from the >> "ledmines" >> by wagon train across the Missouri River, constructed irrigation ditches >> to >> prepare their newly purchased land on the Salt River for farming, spending >> nearly all what remained of the $2800 they took west with them. While they >> were away, Indians came and destroyed it all. He had complained to the >> Indian agent without redress and is pleading for it now. It appears to be >> part of an investigation of abuses by and/or threats toward the Indian >> agent. >> >> "On Oct. 11, Henry Van Arman, Sacaton, Arizona Territory, wrote to USG >> "haveing left our home in the ledmines two-years ago last my for the west >> my >> self and Nephew with the Sad to be the best waggon and team that had >> crossed >> the Mo River that Season and $2800 twenty eight hundred Dollars in Cash we >> brought upon Salt River in this territory about 18 month Since whare we >> located farms and constructed a canal or ditch about 3 miles in length for >> the purposs of irrogateing our farms which cost us evry thing we had Save >> our groing Crop and improvenants which if we could have Saved would made >> us >> quite independant but while absent for a few days leaveing my house in >> care >> of a neighbor to attend to the Merricopa and Pemi or Pemoi Indians Made a >> raid upon my place and Destroid evry thing we had a full Statementment of >> which we have forwarded to the indian department with our affidavits and >> other testimony now my good President Since doing this we are told >> unless >> we employ a lobby lawyer we will not get any thing in 3 or 4 years and >> then >> it will take all we claim to pay him --I am now working for the Indian >> agent >> at Gila reservation whare I mit in person Mr. Vincent Colier and Stated >> our >> Situation to him and he told me he would do all he could for me. Since the >> I >> have been told by one in authority that he, colier receives thousand of >> letters that he never reads them and will probably neve think of me again >> now my Drs I am 53 years of age have spent all the best part of my life in >> the mines you must know about what I am at this time of life and how well >> I >> am capasitated to work by the month for my living which this misfortune >> compels me to do which is terable on me allthough this agen is a verry >> good >> Man to work for --now I will close by Saying in gods name help me if you >> can, and please let me know at your earleyst convenience Direct to Gila >> reservation A. T. in care of J. H. Stout of whom you can ask any question >> relative to me you please and he will answer" ALS, ibid., RG 75, Letters >> Received, Arizona Superintendency." >> >> Linda Schwenn >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Linda, Thank you for posting this. Linda Noggle On Nov 7, 2010, at 12:58 PM, Linda Schwenn wrote: > I got this link in a newsletter today. It is a search engine geared > to genealogical searches. I wondered if others might find it helpful. > > > http://www.genealogyintime.com/GenealogyResources/Tools/advanced_genealogy_search_engine.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

VERY INTERESTING: I am from Ill. near GALENA, IL where there were head mines. I will have to look into it for I never heard of him being in AZ where I now reside. Edith > Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:31:34 -0500 > From: schwel@comcast.net > To: vannorman@rootsweb.com > Subject: [VANNORMAN] Henry Van Arnam, 1818- 1871+, in Arizona Territory 1871 > > Papers of Ulysses S. Grant: June 1, 1871-January 31, 1872, p 93 By Ulysses > Simpson Grant, John Y. Simon, Ulysses S. Grant Association > Google Books. [Google Search string: "Territory of Arizona, secretary Van > Arman"] > A plaintive letter to authorities during the US Grant administration from > Henry Van Arman 11 Oct 1871 from Sacaton, Arizona Territory, describes how > he and his nephew, after arriving in the spring of 1870 from the "ledmines" > by wagon train across the Missouri River, constructed irrigation ditches to > prepare their newly purchased land on the Salt River for farming, spending > nearly all what remained of the $2800 they took west with them. While they > were away, Indians came and destroyed it all. He had complained to the > Indian agent without redress and is pleading for it now. It appears to be > part of an investigation of abuses by and/or threats toward the Indian > agent. > > "On Oct. 11, Henry Van Arman, Sacaton, Arizona Territory, wrote to USG > "haveing left our home in the ledmines two-years ago last my for the west my > self and Nephew with the Sad to be the best waggon and team that had crossed > the Mo River that Season and $2800 twenty eight hundred Dollars in Cash we > brought upon Salt River in this territory about 18 month Since whare we > located farms and constructed a canal or ditch about 3 miles in length for > the purposs of irrogateing our farms which cost us evry thing we had Save > our groing Crop and improvenants which if we could have Saved would made us > quite independant but while absent for a few days leaveing my house in care > of a neighbor to attend to the Merricopa and Pemi or Pemoi Indians Made a > raid upon my place and Destroid evry thing we had a full Statementment of > which we have forwarded to the indian department with our affidavits and > other testimony now my good President Since doing this we are told unless > we employ a lobby lawyer we will not get any thing in 3 or 4 years and then > it will take all we claim to pay him --I am now working for the Indian agent > at Gila reservation whare I mit in person Mr. Vincent Colier and Stated our > Situation to him and he told me he would do all he could for me. Since the I > have been told by one in authority that he, colier receives thousand of > letters that he never reads them and will probably neve think of me again > now my Drs I am 53 years of age have spent all the best part of my life in > the mines you must know about what I am at this time of life and how well I > am capasitated to work by the month for my living which this misfortune > compels me to do which is terable on me allthough this agen is a verry good > Man to work for --now I will close by Saying in gods name help me if you > can, and please let me know at your earleyst convenience Direct to Gila > reservation A. T. in care of J. H. Stout of whom you can ask any question > relative to me you please and he will answer" ALS, ibid., RG 75, Letters > Received, Arizona Superintendency." > > Linda Schwenn > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VANNORMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message