My Dear Cousin Grace, Thank you for your reply to my post! Now that I have your attention, as well as many others on the list, here is what I have to say! I have found several references to Ephraim Vause in the Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia. Is that considered Virginia documents? The Levi Vance confusion I understand, but as I said: I was told that Ephraim's middle name began with an L. ?? Could it have been Ephraim Levi Vause? Can we rule out Ephraim Vause as Abner's father without finding the real name of Abner's father? I can't! Where did the information that Ephraim Vause was Abner Vance's father originally come from? There has to be some reason why people are researching Ephraim Vause in the hope of finding a connection to Abner Vance!! I think that records of Ephraim Vause's family does exist, they have just not been found yet, the same holds true for Abner Vance! It could be in the attic, or basement of any courthouse from Pennsylvania down through Virginia, and into North Carolina. There are a lot of courthouses that have not been searched in that area. A family bible could be in an attic or basement anywhere in the country!! Another question: If Ephraim Vause is in no way connected to the Vance's, why does the VFA have data on him? I would like to challenge everyone on the Vance list to this: Go to courthouses near you, find any Vance information available, post it to the list! Ask your friends in other counties and states to do the same, and you will help them look for their family in your county. This is a major undertaking that can not be done by just a handful of people, it will take all of us helping each other. It would take a lifetime for just a few people to find all of the information that is out there. Let's find our heritage. Just like all of you, I would like to know where I came from. Post your undocumented information to the list, someone else may have documentation on it! Let's all get together on this, including the VFA, after all they were OUR ancestors!! Your Cousin & Friend Tim Vance 4th Great Grandson of Abner Vance & Susannah Howard. [email protected]