This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: niestaph62 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.vance/3185.5.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Juli, If you are a VFA member, you probably have the same info. My info is from theVFA Newsletter Jan. 2001. Has the history of the Samuel Vance and carr family. My ancestor is Samuels son Johnb. 1772. d/ Aig/ 1839 Stokes Co. N. C. Married Lucretia Whicker, 1793.They had 11 children. Their 5th child Benjamin Franklin mar. Ellizabeth Hester, Feb. 1831. In 1848 Benjamin moved his family to Rush Co. Indiana. I would love to know why? Ben Had 9 children. John Hill The 3rd child Married Cynthia Carmony Oct. 27, 1859, in Shelby Co. In. They had 7 children, Rexie, Elizabeth Eva, Frank, Cora, Charles, My grandfather, Gertrude. My Grandfather Charles M. Cecelia Kivel in 1904, Norwood Ohio. They had 4 children Alice, Helen, My mother, John Wm known as Pat, Elmer. Helen married Robert Kriege Oct. 27, 1936, Norwood, Ohio. They had Three Children, Robert, Joanne Richard. I (Joanne) married Norbert Nie Nov. 27, 1957, Norwood, Ohio We have 5 children, Gregory, Robert, David, Jean Marie and Anita. I hope this helps, Joanne Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.