To the Vance List, I gave you some incorrect information on My VANCES's. in my first e-mail message Sorry!! Thanks to Richard Pence, You now have correct information, SEE BELOW. with the correct Inf. Hope this help, Make a connection to My VANCE's or PENCE's Family? Thank you Richard, for all of this Information. Very much appreciated With Regard Iris ----- Original Message ----- From: Iris Mendel Miller <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:37 PM Subject: Re: PML Search Result matching 'Pence' OR 'PENCE' ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard A. Pence <[email protected]> To: Iris Mendel Miller <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 7:24 AM Subject: Re: PML Search Result matching 'Pence' OR 'PENCE' Iris: A copy of your message to the Vance mailing list has reached me and I have a few comments. First, from the census of Ward Twp, Randolph County, Indiana, 1850: Pence, Thomas 32 M Pump W'ker OH Pence, Elizabeth 26 F OH Pence, James 6 M OH Pence, Sarah 4 F OH Pence, Louisa 2 F OH Pence,William 1 M IN Vance, George 74 M Farmer PA Vance, Margaret 66 F PA Thomas Winters Pence and Elizabeth Vance were also in Randolph County in 1860, but the George and Margaret Vance were not, nor were any of the other Vances except Nancy (see below). George's age above places his date of birth as 1776. The Pences were in Tazewell, Illinois, before going to York County just before 1880. I know that some Vances went to York County (Melissa's cousin - _probably her cousin_ - Frank Vance and his wife, Mary, were witnesses to her marriage to Thomas Houston, for example). Thus it is possible that George and Margaret went there with them. But York, Nebraska, really would have been settled until after George would have been 100 years old - so my suspicion is that the George Vance who died in York County (if one did) would be a brother to Elizabeth, wife of Thomas Winters Pence. The other homesteaders would also be brothers or nephews of Elizabeth. FYI, here are the Vances living in Randolph County in 1850: Vance, Andrew State : IN County : Randolph Co. Location : White River Twp Year : 1850 Page # : 076 Vance, George State : IN County : Randolph Co. Location : Ward Twp Year : 1850 Page # : 123 Vance, Jackson State : IN County : Randolph Co. Location : Greens Fork Twp Year : 1850 Page # : 169 Vance, Jacob State : IN County : Randolph Co. Location : Jackson Twp Year : 1850 Page # : 113 Vance, Jacob State : IN County : Randolph Co. Location : White River Twp Year : 1850 Page # : 076 Vance, John State : IN County : Randolph Co. Location : Green Twp Year : 1850 Page # : 141 Vance, Nancy State : IN County : Randolph Co. Location : Greens Fork Twp Year : 1850 Page # : 150 Vance, William State : IN County : Randolph Co. Location : Ward Twp Year : 1850 Page # : 126 Here are the Vance families for York County, Nebraska, 1880: Census Place: Town 9, York, Nebraska Source: FHL Film 1254757 National Archives Film T9-0757 Page 494A Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace George VANCE Self M M W 59 OH Occ: Farmer Fa: PA Mo: PA Sophia VANCE Wife F M W 54 OH Occ: K. House Fa: PA Mo: VA Frank VANCE Son M S W 27 OH Occ: Farming Fa: OH Mo: OH Census Place: Town 9, York, Nebraska Source: FHL Film 1254757 National Archives Film T9-0757 Page 496B Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace George VANCE Self M M W 30 OH Occ: Farmer Fa: IN Mo: OH Martha VAMCE Wife F M W 25 IN Occ: K. House Fa: VA Mo: NY William VANCE Son M S W 5 NE Fa: OH Mo: IN Sophie VANCE Dau F S W 3 NE Fa: OH Mo: IN Susan VANCE Dau F S W 7M NE Fa: OH Mo: IN Census Place: Town 9, York, Nebraska Here are the Pences, York County, NE, 1880: Census Place: Town 10, York, Nebraska Source: FHL Film 1254757 National Archives Film T9-0757 Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Thomas PENCE Self M M W 63 OH Occ: Farmer Fa: VA Mo: VA Elizabeth PENCE Wife F M W 55 OH Occ: Keeping House Fa: PA Mo: PA William C. PENCE Son M S W 24 IN Occ: Farmer Fa: OH Mo: OH Mallissa E. PENCE Dau F S W 22 IN Fa: OH Mo: OH George D. PENCE Son M S W 20 IN Occ: At School Fa: OH Mo: OH Edward F. PENCE Son M S W 18 IN Occ: At School Fa: OH Mo: OH Margret L. PENCE Dau F S W 16 IN Occ: At School Fa: OH Mo: OH Mary E. PENCE Dau F S W 14 IL Occ: At School Fa: OH Mo: OH Census Place: Town 11, York, Nebraska Source: FHL Film 1254757 National Archives Film T9-0757 Page 435D Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Henry B. SEELY Self M M W 45 NY Occ: Carpenter Fa: CAN Mo: NY Phoebe SEELY Wife F M W 43 MA Occ: Keeping House Fa: MA Mo: MA Auther SEELY Son M S W 19 IL Occ: Clerk In Grocery Fa: NY Mo: MA William H. GREEN Other M S W 25 IL Occ: Labor Fa: OH Mo: OH Melisse PENCE Other F S W 22 IN Occ: Servant Fa: OH Mo: OH (it appears that Melissa was enumerated twice) Census Place: Town 10, York, Nebraska Source: FHL Film 1254757 National Archives Film T9-0757 Page 468C Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Thomas H. PENCE Self M M W 26 IN Occ: Farmer Fa: OH Mo: OH Clara PENCE Wife F M W 21 IN Occ: Keeping House Fa: OH Mo: OH Where did you find the list of York County homesteaders? Is a description of the land given (section, range, township)? What date? If so, you can obtain a copy of the case file from the National Archives. For homestead lands, these case files usually contain quite a bit of family information. BTW, the name is, I believe, Thomas WinterS - as he likely was named for a well-known and admired minister in the area of Ohio were Thomas was born. The minister was Thomas Winters and there is quite a bit written on him . Find York Historical on the web. They are good about responding to questions. And remember, in the Bible for one of the childreno Thomas and Elizabeth, there is a note that her family name was probably originally Wentz. As Bentz become Pence, so does Wentz become Vance. Regards, Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iris Mendel Miller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 12:59 PM Subject: PML Search Result matching 'Pence' OR 'PENCE' ==================================================== A result of your requested PML search. To refine or cancel this search, please visit http://pml.rootsweb.com/ ==================================================== I found, YORK COUNTY NEBRASKA HOMESTEADERS, List. on that list I found some possible related VANCES? VANCE, Ervin VANCE, George F. VANCE, George VANCE, William W. George and Margaret VANCE's daughter, My GGreat-grandmother ELIZABETH VANCE born April 22, 1823 in Ohio, and died Jan 20, 1892 in York CO.NE. My PENCE'S are from Rockingham VA. ELIZABETH VANCE Married THOMAS WINTERS PENCE April 28, 1842 in Randolph County IN. Thomas and Elizabeth (Vance) Pence's daughter, MELISSA PENCE is My Great-grandmother. I need to go to York County NE. to find the place of Burial, Dates,Obituaries, Probates and Ect.? Can Anyone make a connection with any of these names? Your help with the Vance's will be greatly appreciated, And additional information always welcome on the PENCE's (Richard Pence Has given me a great deal if information,on our lineage, Augusta/Rockingham County Pence Family, JACOB PENCE/BENTZ,1710, Ger, WILLIAM PENCE, 1745 Lancaster CO. PA.?, ADAM PENCE, 1779 Rockingham VA., THOMAS WINTERS PENCE, 1817 OH. My Uncle Clarence (who in his 80's) said they spoke German? Thanks a for any help with these families Iris Mendell Miller