I've been watching this subject for a while and might as well add a little something now....for what it's worth. My Marcena (aka Marsina & Marcella) Vance was born in what is now WV in about 1827. She said that she had an Aunt Polly, her father's sister. Polly is a nickname for Mary. Unfortunately I don't know Marcena's father's name. Marcena married widower Alexander Reeves in Sangamon Co., IL in 1846...too soon to be found on a census with her parents. Her children were named Rebecca, Harriet Josephine, James, Vashti, Barbara, Alexander, Thomas A. (dy), John H., Abraham L., Daisy, Lorena M., and Susie. It could be that some of her family's names could have already been used on her husband's first 12 children. Marcena's father was a "river-boat" captain and the family had lived in OH for a while. I don't know how Marcena happened to make it to IL. Also.....there was a Mary "Polly" Vance daughter of William Vance and Barbara Grider of Lancaster Co., PA, Rockingham,VA and Garrard KY. This William was the son of a Wentz from Heidelberg. This Polly married Eli Paine Hardin 1820 in KY. Has anyone out there heard of my Marcena, et al? Carole