This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_911017071_boundary Content-ID: <[email protected]_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_911017071_boundary Content-ID: <[email protected]_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: [email protected] Return-path: <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Potter - Vanover - Vance - Dickenson Ct. Va. Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 22:54:25 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit George and Garfield Potter are buried in the Murdered Man's Cemetery or the Potter Cemetery in Jenkins, KY. Looking for information on Vanover-Vance : John P. Vanover married 76, married Nancy Vance 67. Dec. 14 1889 in Dickenson County, Virginia John P. son of Henry Vanover Nancy daughter of Carver Vance. OUTLAW POTTER, A VICTIM OF HIS OWN REVOLVER Member of a notorious Gang of Desperadoes Accidentally Kills Himself in Dickenson COEBURN, VA., July 14 [Special] - New has just been received here from Dickenson county that Garfield Potter, one of the gang of Kentucky outlaws, who have been terrorizing the people of Cumberland mountain and the adjacent country recently, let his pistol fall from his belt, which caused a discharge, the ball taking effect just below the left nipple and killing him almost instantly. The gang with which Potter associated, besides several women, included George Potter, Garfield Potter, George Fleming, Creed Fleming, and others who came and went as suited their convenience. These Flemings are closely related to Cal and Henan Fleming, who, together with Doc Taylor murdered the Mullins family as Pound Gap in ‘92. These men took part in the Vance-Vanover feud on Elkhorn Creek, in Kentucky, last spring, and had to leave there, after which they took up quarters in an old log cabin on the Virginia side near Osborn’s Gap. They have since that time been a constant terror to the citizens by their lawlessness and threats of violence. Four of the gang were out on Pound river, a few miles from their “headquarters”, on the night before the accident occurred. They called at Harve Bryant’s about midnight where they spent the remainder of the night. After breakfast, the went out, and were sitting down at a game of cards when the fatal accident occurred. The father of the Potter boys, who lives in Kentucky, was told the news, and he came for the body of his son. Quite a number of the gang’s enemies also came over, all armed to the teeth. They found only George Potter of the gang, and agreed that he might go across “the line” to see his brother buried; and then take his chances of escape. There are several felony indictments pending against George in the court of Pike County, and they will probably land him in jail to answer for his wrong doings. Great excitement prevails there, as part of this gang are supposed to be in hiding among the mountains, and it is feared that there will be depredations committed by them. OUTLAW KILLED FREELING, VA., Aug. 13 -(SPL)- George Potter, the Kentucky outlaw, who has been terrorizing the people of this section, was killed on Lick Fork on Saturday evening, by a posse of men, who were trying to arrest him "Son" Mullins one of the gang was with Potter in a house, but escaped. Potter fought desperately up to the end. Sixteen balls were found to have entered his body. One of the posse was cut across the face by a bullet from the outlaw’s pistol. GEORGE POTTER KILLED AFTER BATTLE FOR LIFE THE CRIMINAL FOUGHT DESPERATELY, BUT FINALLY PERISHED WITH SIXTEEN BULLETS IN HIS BODY FREELING, VA., Aug 12 -(Special)- George Potter, the Kentucky outlaw, who has been terrorizing the people of this section, was killed on Lick Fork on Saturday evening, by a posse of men, who were trying to arrest him upon a warrant charging him with the crime of assault. “Son” Mullins, one of the gang, was with Potter in a house, where the officers found them; but he escaped, though it is thought he was fatally shot. Potter fought desperately to the end. Sixteen balls entered his body; his head was frightfully mangeled. One of the officers men was cut across the face by a ball from the outlaw’s pistol, two more were shot through another’s hat, while a third had a hole put through his vest. It is probable that the relatives of the dead man will take his remains to their home in Kentucky for internment. Potter has also been in the penitentiary of Kentucky and North Carolina. Potter’s wife (with whom he has been living for some time) says that he has killed four men to her knowledge. His father has paid over thousands of dollars to defend him while in the hands of the law. ONLY THIRTY YEARS OLD George Potter was bout thirty years old and had served three terms in the penitentiaries of as many states. He was sent to the Virginia pernientiary from Washington county for horse-stealing, served a term in the North Carolina penitentiary for robbery, and also a term in the Kentucky penitentiary for stealing cattle. He was wanted in Tennessee for killing a boy who refused to give him some liquor in which he was in charge. A few days before his death, Potter boasted of his record saying that he had killed four men and shot twelve. He had many times declared that he would never be taken alive--that not even his Creator could arrest him--and upon these occassions he would use language that it would be sacreligious to repeat. --part0_911017071_boundary--

I am looking for any information about Jane VANCE whose marriage to Samuel KELLER on 10 April, 1806, in Washington Co., Virginia. is recorded in _Marriages of Washington County, VA 1781-1835_. I have an unreferenced birth date for her of 28 Jan 1786, and a death date of 1854. By 1811 they were living in Tennessee, where sons Samuel Vance, Oscar K, and Casper Marion were born. In 1860 her (apparently) widowed husband was living with a son in St. Clare Co., Missouri. Thanks for your help! Bruce Cogan Queanbeyan, NSW, Australia [email protected]

I'm looking for VANCE's in Arkansas & Tennessee. John L. VANCE, 1824 TN, m. Mary A ?. Their children were Frances M, Will D, John J, & Mary J. Frances M, 1847 TN, m. Martha A. FORE 1866 Lawrence Co. AR. Children were: Suda E, Lucinda J, Mary W, & John W. Any info will be greatly appreciated. Thank You! Marcia

Hi, I am new to this list, but proud to be here, as my maiden name was VANCE. I am a member of the VFA, and am searching for information on my GGGG grandfa John Vance, who died before 25 May 1801 in Topsham, VT. I am searching for info on the couple I believe to be his parents: HUGH and MARY (Pemberton) VANS. They had a son John in 1737 in Boston. I am kind of stuck at this point and will be glad to share all I have. In case it would be of help to anyone, here is my lineage: John and Jane (---) Vance, through their son: David Vance and wife Olive (David born Apr 1788 Boston or CT?), their son: Aaron Vance and wife Lucinda Ann Tucker (Aaron born 14 Oct 1812 Groton,VT): George Livermore Vance and wife Elizabeth Kumbel Fowler (George L. born 13 Mar 1839 Groton, VT), through their son and my grandfather: George Alexander Vance and wife Helen Irene Taxis (George born 21 Apr 1869 in Washington, D.C.) My dad, Geo. T. Vance, born 1900 Joliet, IL. I have all names of children of David, Aaron, Geo. L., Geo A., and am always looking for a new cousin. More than glad to share what I have. Can anyone rhelp me with HUGH VANS, born late 1600's? Marge Vance Rice, Joliet, IL

William VANCE born ca 1860 in IN. married 6 April 1880 to Eliza Ann HAWKEY, probably in Ohio. Had daughter, Althea J. on 6 Jan. 1881 and an unnamed child, both probably in Ohio. Have not been able to locate any further infor. on this family here in Ohio. What happened to William? It appears she remarries to a man named BARKS and moved to Wis. Anyone recognize the name of William VANCE or his dau. Althea VANCE? Carolyn at the email address of: [email protected]

The History of the changes of the surname VANCE has been thoroughly discussed in the VANCE FAMILY ASSOCIATION newsletters. You may contact us at http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vfa for back issues of the newsletter. Grace Dotson

Hello fellow VANCE listers, It is me again, [email protected] (Tim Vance), I would like some feedback about something that I have Came across several times in doing research! QUESTION: How many ways has the surname VANCE been spelled through the years? Especially in the early years of settlement in America! There were so many different nationalities migrating to America from 1600 to 1800, with so many different accents and ways of pronouncing names, that the spelling of names such as VANCE had to be spelled several different ways. The Scotch-Irish probably spelled it VANCE, the Germans could have heard it, and spelled it VANTZ. The English may have heard VAUSE, The Dutch may have heard VANSE, and the French could have heard VANS. REMEMBER: Many of our ancestors were illerate, they could not read or write, they would tell someone their name and the person would write it the way it sounded to them, which was not necessarily the way we spell it today! IN CONCLUSION: Researching only the spelling VANCE may very well leave some branches missing from our family trees! Tim Vance Orange Co. Va. [email protected] OR [email protected]

My email is temporarily out of order but should be up and running within a couple of days. Elaine Brown

I didn't get a death certificate but I received something almost as good. I called cemeteries until I found the one where my grandfather was buried.He died in 1949 in California. They told me a lot of info over the phone and sent me a copy of the Permit For Removal And Burial. This permit listed his name, date & place of birth and death and burial, father's name, mother's maiden name, SSN, spouse's name, cause of death, all kinds of great info to help me. So you might want to give this a try if you're having trouble getting a death certificate. Jan Colorado

Hi there this what I know about my Vance Family Line: Patrick VANCE born ABT.1745 Ireland died 1801 Knox County Tn. 1st wife: Sarah TAYLOR died 10 Aug 1777 PA married abt. 1767 PA Jane VANCE born 1768 PA. died 1772 PA. John VANCE born 1769 PA David VANCE born 1771 PA married Margaret TAYLOR 01 Dec 1822 Jefferson County TN. James VANCE born 1773 PA died 1851 spouse Mary KENNEDY Sarah VANCE born 1775 PA spouse John CAMPBELL Elizabeth VANCE born 1777 PA spouse John DAVIS 2nd wife: Elizabeth HOUSTON born abt. 1750 Patrick VANCE Jr born 1779 PA Agnis VANCE 1781 PA William VANCE born 1783 PA spouse Elizabeth CAMPBELL Robert VANCE born 1786 PA spouse Abagail JONES Mary VANCE born 1787 PA Aron VANCE 1787 PA died 1791 PA Samuel VANCE 1792 PA spouse Elizabeth BROCK Joseph VANCE 13 Sep 1793 TN died 8 Mar 1863 McLean County Ky spouse Eliza GREER my line Jean VANCE spouse John RICKETTS I have more information if there is any family out there. Marilyn Vance Hall

Here is what I know about my Vance ancestors: Generation 1: ------------ Andrew Vance b: July 2, 1805 in Jefferson Co., TN d: Dec. 27, 1857 in Calloway Co., KY married first Parmelia _______ b: abt. 1808 d: Feb. 5, 1847 in Calloway Co., KY married second (probably) Nancy J. Williams b: abt. 1826 in Williamson Co., TN children of Andrew Vance: Archelous 1830-1865 John 1832-1858 Edith 1833- Jasper(Yank) 1837-1911 Hugh 1839-1863 Sarah E. 1841-1913 James P. 1842-1862 killed at battle of Shiloh Malissa 1844-1853 Nancy 1848- Generation 2: ------------- Archelous Vance b: March 21, 1830 probably born in TN d: July 23, 1865 married May 16, 1855 Lucy Ann Williams b: abt. 1831 in Wilson Co., TN parents born VA d: 1910 children of Archelous Vance: Robert H. Aug. 28, 1856-Oct. 29, 1875 in Calloway Co., KY William Andrew 1859-1928 Genella (Nettie) Nov. 14, 1863-Sept. 18, 1938 married an Outland Generation 3: ------------- William Andrew (Buddy) Vance b: Sept. 9, 1859 in Calloway Co., KY d: Dec. 10, 1928 married Oct. 19, 1884 Kitty S. Falwell b: July, 1868 in Calloway Co., KY d: July 26, 1954 children of William Andrew Vance: Oma 1885-1956 Clancy 1887-1970 Uma 1891-1893 Arie 1901-1974 Oma Vance Williams was my grandmother. If anyone recognizes any of these names or think they may have a connection to these people, I would love to hear from you. Ed Wells

Here is what we have on my husband's VANCE line. Any additions or corrections would be appreciated. Descendants of Nathaniel Vance 1 Nathaniel VANCE . +_____ ..... 2 Samuel VANCE ......... +Millie Margaret LEWIS, b: 15 Feb 1833 MO; d: 16 Jan 1928; m: Abt. 1849 ............ 3 Simeon D. VANCE, b: Abt. 1859; d: 1928 Ray Co., MO ................ +Sarah D. _____, b: 1867; d: 1960 Ray Co., MO ................... 4 Lemmie Kirtley VANCE, b: 1884; d: 1945 Ray Co., MO ....................... +Claudia L. _____, b: 1887; d: 1968 ................... 4 Eliza VANCE, b: 16 Jan 1886; d: 17 Jan 1886 Ray Co., MO ................... 4 Millie VANCE, b: 28 Aug 1889; d: 16 Nov 1908 Ray Co., MO ................... 4 Nancy VANCE, b: 28 Aug 1889; d: 13 Mar 1896 Ray Co., MO ................... 4 Georgia VANCE, b: 02 Dec 1900; d: 24 Dec 1900 Ray Co., MO ................... 4 Lola VANCE, b: 20 Jun 1907; d: 06 Mar 1908 Ray Co., MO ............ 3 William "Uncle Will" VANCE; b: Abt. 1861; d: 1935 Ray Co., MO ................ +Susanah/Susanna "Aunt Sutie" CLEVENGER, b: 15 Jul 1868 Ray Co., MO; d: 25 Jun 1952; m: 25 Dec 1887 ................... 4 Pearl VANCE, b: Abt. 1888; d: 1956 ....................... +Robert SMITHEY ................... 4 Nettie Earl VANCE, b: 09 Nov 1892; d: 11 Feb 1979 ....................... +Purvall E. SMITHEY ........................... 5 William P. SMITHEY, b: 31 Dec 1914; d: 18 Feb 1915 ................... 4 Samuel F. VANCE, b: 09 Nov 1894; d: 19 Feb 1915 Ray Co., MO ................... 4 Millie Ann VANCE, b: 05 Nov 1896; d: 09 Jan 1983 Ray Co., MO ....................... +William IRONS, d: 31 Mar 1975; m: 10 Nov 1915 Liberty, Clay Co., MO ................... 4 Infant Son VANCE, b: 27 May 1899; d: 03 Jun 1899 Ray Co., MO ................... 4 William Clyde VANCE; b: 10 May 1902 Ray Co., MO; d: 10 Mar 1975 Ray Co., MO ....................... +Leonore Esther BENCLER, m: 24 Jul 1933 ................... 4 S. D. VANCE; b: 09 Sep 1910; d: 09 Sep 1974 ....................... +Mary Louise WARE, m: 06 Apr 1940 ............ 3 James VANCE My husband is not closely related to the VANCEs, he descends from Millie Margaret LEWIS' second marriage to William H. BROADHURST abt. 1867. But we would still like to fill in the gaps. Thanks for any help, and I'm happy to share info. that I have. Judy Judy Marshall Arnold - mailto:[email protected] or mailto:[email protected] Judy's Place - http://www.flash.net/~judyad/ ICQ #22153437 "Praise God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. God is so good, and by raising Jesus from death, he has given us new life and a hope that lives on." 1 Peter 1:3 (CEV) ~I am one of "Annie's E-Mail Encouragers"~ http://www.annieshomepage.com/emailencouragers.html

The family that I am researching on is John Vance b. ca 1806 Russell County VA. he married married Marinda "Rinda" McKinney Mosley on April 24, 1850 in Carter County, TN. Marinda was first married to P. Harper Mosley they lived in Bakersville, N.C. The family eventually ended up on Bradshaw Mountain in Paynesville, WV. Any help on the ancestors of John would be greatly appreciated. John's son David Vance b. about 1850 is who I descend from. I am sure I have a lot of other cousins on the Vance list that also descend from this John and David Vance. Thanks in advance for your help. Kathy Jo

I was notified that the message that follows was not posted to the list because of its HTML format, yet I have seen what appears to be one response to it (thank you, Grace Dotson!). I am re-posting it in case it reached only a small portion of the list. I apologize to anyone who's ploughed through it already. I am descended from James COLVILLE, Sr. (1695-1777), who was married to Ann VANCE (b. 1700 in Ireland), who was a daughter of Andrew VANCE and Jane HOGE. What I am wondering, mainly, is where the Vance family originated (presumably Scotland, but does anyone have a more precise idea of where?). Why did they settle in Northern Ireland and when? Anything more that anyone knows about this family (or about the Colvilles, for that matter) I would very much appreciate hearing about! Nan Runde [email protected]

I am looking for the parents of Patrick Vance and his wife Sarah Harrington. I don't have a marriage date for them, but their children were: Ely b.? married Miss Cox Ely died 1852 in Ark. Thomas b. 1785 married Miss Mount of Ill Thomas died in Texas ca 1853 Jordon b. 1791 married Mary Vance 1812 d/o Andrew Vance and Jane Hoge Charles b.? John b. 1811 Drury b. ? married Sarah Ann "Sally" Routt d/o John and Sarah Routt Lydia b.? married Ezra Owens and moved to Ky with her father Patrick Mary b.? Any help would be greatly appreciated Thanks June Vance

Hello cousin's and friend's, As usual I am looking for decendents of Abner Vance and Susannah (Howard) Vance, so if you decend from Abner and Susannah, drop me a line. However this week I am channeling my efforts toward finding the parents and siblings of Eliza jane Elswick. Here is what I know: James Harvey Vance s/o William Vance and Nancy (Burnsides ? ),(James Harvey Vance was Abner and Susannah's grandson) married Eliza Jane Elswick on 10-Feb-1853. I have the following children listed for James Harvey Vance and Eliza Jane Elswick: John Patton Vance William Harley Vance Rosannah Vance Malinda W. Vance Charles Thomas Vance Abner Vance James A. Vance Reece Vance. What I am looking for is Eliza Jane Elswick's parents and siblings, and of course any other info I can find about her. If anyone see's anything wrong with the information above, please let me know because this is info I have gathered from various sources, and it may not be exact! The maiden name Burnsides for the wife of William Vance is most likely not the correct name, but I feel like I need to call her something besides Nancy! When the correct name for Nancy (Burnsides ?) is found I would really appreciare someone telling me what it is, it would make me feel a lot better. Thanks a bunch everyone for putting up with me. Tim Vance (4th great grandson of Abner Vance and Susannah(Howard) Vance) [email protected]

This is some information I have on your line. Hope it helps. Andrew Vance 1st and wife Jane were born and married in Ireland- came with with William Hoge (Hogg) to Pennsylvania, later to Shenandoah Valley, Virginia. James Vance (John Of Goagh) and brother of Andrew 1st, married Mary Hogg in Ireland. Their daughter, Margaret, married George Balbirnie of Scotland. George Washington, grandson of James (above) author of "Vans Family 1825" died in Dublin 1852 (unmarried). One of Andrew Vance1st sons was an officer in the American Revolution- killed fighting under Washington. Andrew Vance 1st was the 4th son of John of Goah. Andrews will was probated in 1754 in Virginia and names sons and one daughter: Samuel Vance m. Sarah Coleville William Vance m. Alexander Vance Mary Vance m. Andrew Greer Andrew Vance 2nd b. 1735 m. Ann Ramsey John Vance m. Elizabeth I hope this will help. I have more but it is hard to understand. It was put together mostly by Balbirnie. Let me know if there is anything else you want me to look up. June Vance

The parents of Ann Vance are not known, that particular line of Vance came from Ireland. Vances came from lots of places to America. We can document the Vance family back to the south of France , from there to England, from there some went to Scotland, some might have gone to Germany.; some of those in Scotland went to Ireland, , one family said they came from Wales. Some of all of the above listed groups came to America plus some Germans by the name of Wentz which was "Americanized" to Vance. Hope this helps someone, Grace Dotson

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Hello to all the new members! We now have around 30 Vance researchers subscribed to this list (not bad for a new list), those of you who have posted information may want to repost so new subscribers will know which ancestors you are looking for. Please remember use this address for posting messages to the list: [email protected] . This list is also archived and searchable. To search the archives for this list go to: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl type VANCE-L in the box Thanks, Sonya Vance Woosley