My 2nd great-grandmother, Marcena Vance Reeves, was born Aug. 1828 in what is now West Virginia and died 5 Nov. 1910 in Cathlamet, WA. Marcena was married in Sangamon Co., IL in 1846 to Alexander Reeves of Gardner Twp, Sangamon Co. She is believed to be the daughter of James Vance and Barbara Miller, who both died in Osage Twp, Labette Co.,KS. Do you know if there are any pictures of either James Vance or his ex-wife Barbara Vance Glassburn, or any of their children? I have pictures of Marcena and three of Marcena's daughters, if anyone is interested. Carole in Portland, OR

Can anyone tell me what the boundaries were of the 17th Subdivision mentioned in the 1860 Census of Sangamon Co.? It covered Gardner Twp for sure because that's where Alexander Reeves and his wife Marcena Vance lived on their farm. I believe that there were other Vance relatives in Gardner Twp. and Fancy Creek Twp. by the names of Fitch, Vance and Judd. Happy turkey leftovers! Carole

Juanita, Thank you so much for all of this good information! I don't know if the 71 yr old James Vance in the 1870 census (Osage Twp, Labette Co. KS) was my James or another James affiliated with the Roy family. It is my James who is buried in the Harmony Grove Cemetery, though. Thanks again, Carole From: "juanita" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 2:28 PM > Carole, > > I don't live in Labette Co., but my husband was born there as were > his parents and many other relatives. You might try checking for > info on your ancestors at the Oswego Historical Society....in > Oswego KS. Oswego is the county seat of Labette Co. and is > where the court house is located. Any land or probate records you > might be interested in would be here. > > The Historical Society has a good collection of data on early > residents and may have something about your James Vance. They > are open only a couple days or so ea. week, during the summers, > and at other times by appointments. > > They are located at 410 Commerical, Oswego KS 67356, ph no. > (620) 795-4500. They did have an e-mail address, but I'm not sure > if it's still good or not. You might try it: <[email protected]> All > the work is done by volunteers so you may have to wait a few days > for an answer. > > From a letter I have they say they are researching and writing about > the history of the community and maintaining files of written material > and photographs of activities and events throughout the history of > Oswego and Labette County. In genealogy research they maintain > over 450 files of individual families - they have over 16 file drawers > of Oswego area families files. A great amount of their research > comes from viewing 35 mm film of all newspapers beginning in 1869 > thru 2001 and census records beginning in 1855. (They sent letters > such as this to everyone who had visited there, soliciting funds for a > new reader printer machine in 2001). > > Good luck to you in your research. I wonder if your James Vance > may have known my husband's gr grandparents who moved from > Jasper Co. IA in 1867 or so to a farm in Labette Co. His gr > grandfather died here in 1874 and his gr grandmother in 1878. I'd > venture to say they probably did. The nearest town of any size is > Coffeyville, KS. Oswego, Altamont, Edna, Cherryvale are smaller > towns - all in Labette Co. except Cherryvale which, as you know is > in Montgomery Co. The Montgomery County Court House is in > Independence, KS. My husband grew up in Coffeyville (Montgomery > Co.). > > jjuanita >

James Vance, born abt 1798, died at the age of 73 on 8 May 1872, in Labette Co., KS, 4 miles east of Cherryvale, Montgomery Co., KS. That is about 2 miles the other side of the county line. I realize that this is probably too early for county death records. Where would the nearest newspaper have been in 1872? Is there someone who could look up an obituary for me? I am looking for mention of any family members. If there was a probate it may have been done in either Labette Co., or in Montgomery Co. Is there anyone in the area who could do a look-up for me? It would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Carole in Portland, OR

Lloyd, Do you know if Albert P. Vance was the son of David Preston Vance or the son of John Marion Vance? My father always told me that Finis and he were double cousins. Bob Vance

Wow, Randy! That was certainly fast! Thank you! I had found this 1880 census record for Tom and his family but now I need to find them in the 1900 and 1910 census. And I also need to find where the senior Vances were divorced. I did find the father of the whole clan of Vances in Labette Co., James aged 71, in the 1870 census living with a woman 30 years younger than him...and a bunch of little kids. I don't know if she was his wife or widowed daughter-in-law. At 1st I thought that Barbara had died because she wasn't with him but then I saw what the granddaughter had written giving her name as Vance-Glassburn and I found her remarried in Jackson Co., OH Thank you so much! Carole From: "Randy Dunavan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [KSLABETT-L] James Vance & Barbara Miller, WV>OH>IL>KS > 1880 Census Place: Osage, Labette, Kansas > Source: FHL Film 1254385 National Archives Film T9-0385 Page 379D > Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace > > Thomas J. VANCE Self M M W 38 OH > Occ: Farmer Fa: VA Mo: VA > > Emily C. VANCE Wife F M W 34 IL > Occ: Housekeeper Fa: KY Mo: OH > > Mary Alice VANCE Dau F S W 14 IL > Fa: OH Mo: IL

Valerie, My Vances in Jackson Co., OH were from what is now WV and went to OH in the 1830s where they had more children before moving on. Some of their older children may have married and stayed there. James Vance and Barbara Miller's son Thomas Jefferson Vance was born in Jackson, Jackson Co., OH in about 1841. By 1846 the family was Sangamon Co. IL where daughter Marcena married. Some of the children remain there, Thomas J. for one, until the mid-1860s before moving on to KS in the late 1860s. I don't know when or where the parents, James and Barbara Vance, moved but Barbara later shows up back in Jackson Co., OH married to a George Glassburn and James ends up in Labette Co., KS where some of his kids moved, dead and buried by 1872. They must have divorced or he disappeared and was declared dead when he wasn't. You said that your Vances were in Logan Co. which shares a border with Sangamon Co. >Hi listers. I am looking for any information on the Vance family from >Ohio, and probably lived in Knox County, Ohio. My 2x great grandmother was >Martha Ellen Vance (some accounts have her as Mary Ellen). She married Philip > Fawcett on August 11, 1844 in Knox County, Ohio. They moved to Logan > County, Illinois, where she died in 1864. > If you have any information about the Vance family from Ohio in the early to mid 1800's, please contact me. > Thank you, Valerie Knecht Hoff of Bellevue, WA > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Evidently James Vance and his wife Barbara E. Miller who married in about 1820 were divorced sometime between the time of the 1850 WV census and the 1870 census when they both turn up in different states with different spouses. In what state were they divorced? Does anything show up in the Logan or Boone Co. VA court records? Or in Labette or Montgomery Co. Kansas??? How about Jackson Co., OH? Mary Alice Vance Newton, daughter of Thomas J. Vance of Labette Co., KS, said that her grandparents, James Vance and Barbara E. Miller Vance Glassburn are buried in the Carpenter Cemetery near Dennis in Osage Twp, in Labette Co. which must now be called Harmony Grove Cemetery because the James Vance buried there matches the dates that Mary Alice gave and the Barbara Vance buried there has on her tombstone that she is the mother of Thomas Vance. In the 1870 Liberty, Jackson Co., OH Census, Barbara is living with her elderly husband George Glassburn. In 1880 she is a widow in Liberty, living alone with servant. Are there divorce records online for any of the above counties? Carole in Portland, OR

Hello, This past June I travelled to Londonderry and Belfast accompanied by my research parter, John Giacoletti, former Curator of Rare Books at the University of North Carolina, and we experienced three action packed weeks in various libraries and research facilities and pubs. This was my 20th trip to Ireland, but the first for genealogical research. We are both skilled researchers and we were prepared. We were also LUCKY. If you would like to read about our genealogical findings just go to the main rootsweb.com page and look for the link to "threaded archives" Type in COWAN and search June and July 2002 and see what you think. It took me almost seven years of intense research to prove what I set out to prove and along the way I stumbled across a few research tools that I have shared with people before and will do again now. They are rare, out of print books and manuscripts which I doubt most people have ever seen. One of the items is found in only six Universities in America and a couple of them are not found here at all. They are as follows: The Laggan and its Presbyterianism and In the Days of the Laggan Presbytery, 1905,1908, by the Rev. Alexander Lecky, B.A., member of the Royal Sociey of Antiquaries of Ireland, Belfast, Davidson & McCormack, 54 Kings St. 211 pages On our recent trip to Donegal we met J.B. Shannon, age 90, who assisted in the 1975 reprinting of this book. He is the last living person who had anything to do with these books and he says they are still the BEST source for Ulster Presbyterian research. From Lecky I quote, "The lists of names of former generations of Lagganeers, and their places of abode, that are given in the Appendixes, and which NEVER before appeared in print, whilst they may of necessity prove dull reading to those who have no acquaintance with the locality, will not, I hope, be altogether uninteresting to those who bear the same name, or live in the same places..." Fighters of Derry, Their Deeds and Descendants, being a Chronicle of Events in Ireland during the Revolutionary period 1688-1691, by William Young, Eyre and Spottiswoode, London, 350 pages. One of the most difficult sources to locate, in fact almost impossible. Months worth of reading and packed with great genealogy. Contains the following biographical sketches: 1. The leaders of the County Associations who, with their levies, took part in the preliminary operations and contributed much of the man power for the Defence. 2. The Apprentice Boys and those responsible for shutting the gates on the 8th Dec. 1688. 3. The actual Defenders during the 105 day siege (over 1200 genealogical sketches) 4. Those engaged in the relief of the city A History of the Siege of Londonderry and Defense of Enniskillen in 1688 and 1689, with Historical Poetry and Biographical notes, by the Rev. John Graham, M.A. Rector of Magilligan in the Diocese of Derry. Includes the Battles of the Boyne, Athlone, and Aughrim and the siege and Capitulation of Limmerick by Lord McCaulay, Toronto, 1869 The historical poems are family genealogies about those who were at Derry and where they came from. Along with "Fighters of Derry" these two sources contain more actual genealogical information than any others I have seen. Three Hundred Years in Innishowen, Being More Particularly an Account of the Family of Young of Culdaff with Short Accounts of Many Other Families Connected with Them, by Amy Young, 1929, The Linenhall Press, Belfast, 311 pages. Some of the names included are Young, Hart, Harvey, Cary, Vaughan, McLaughlin, Skipton, Richardson, Knox, Ussher, Smith, Nesbitt, Chichester, Ball, Lawrence, Crofton, Boyd, Stuart and many others. The Laggan and its People, by S.M. Campbell, privately printed. A look at the history of the Laggan (Presbyterian Derry/Donegal) through the eyes of a local historian. Draws on local lore, Abercorn papers, records from PRONI. The Tinkling Spring: Headwater of Freedom, A Study of the Church and Her People, 1732-1952, by Howard McKnight Wilson, 1954, Fisherville, Virginia 542 pages The best source of information on the Scotch-Irish of Augusta/Rockbridge Counties in Virginia. Includes the Baptismal Records of the Rev. Craig. In-depth study of the early families of the Shenandoah Valley. Castle's Woods: Frontier Virginia Settlement, 1769-1799, a thesis presented to the Faculty of the Department of History, East Tennessee State University in partial fulfillment of the requirements for the Degree of master of Arts, by James W. Hagy, 1966, 150 pages. The most popular of the documents offered, this covers the families who settled in Russell county, Virginia when it was considered the frontier. If your ancestors came through southwestern Virginia, this document is the history of your family. Contains information on specific families as well as the farmers, speculators, artisans, and preachers who resided there. Lots on the Indian battles that were a daily feature of life on the frontier. Names like Russell, Walker, Porter, Cowan, Houston, Boone, Montgomery, Fraley, Thompson, Anderson, Kilgore, and 50 or so other "Scotch-Irish" families make this an invaluable resource for your family history. The Reverend Samuel Houston, V.D.M., by George West Diehl, 1970, McClure Publishing Co. 125 pages History of the early Virginia Presbyterians through the life of the Rev. Samuel Houston, kin to Sam Houston of Texas fame. Well there you have it. The best documents I have found. If you are interested in purchasing any of the above items (I would like to make copies for free but I can't) contact me at [email protected] for details. Regards, Robert Cowan 525 Harrogate Rd. Matthews, North Carolina 28105

There are some Vances buried in a graveyard near Oskosh, WI. This graveyard is on Hwy. 21 west of Oshkosh about 3 miles. The names on the stones are as follows: Wm. Vance--1822--1910 Olive Vance--1823--1912 George Vance 1866--1916 Olive Vance 1852--1932 I have photos of these graves if anyone would like to have them. Norm -- Coldwater, MI 49036 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ALHN, AHGP, MIGenWeb, SPEBSQSA, DHS ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Visit My Webpages - - - - Join My FREE *Discount* Shopping Club: http://nvance.tripod.com/Mall.html Go there & grab a FREE Membership. Researching: VANCE-STEELE-BLANCHARD-FERRIS-ADAMS TERPENING-DUNTON-DONBROCK-PAUL NOTE: All my Family Trees are NOW SEARCHABLE in my homepage. Homepage URL: http://members.tripod.com/~nvance/ My Genealogy Pages Index: MI ALHN - AHGP & MIGenWeb http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/5666/index.html Hillsdale Barbershop Chapter Page: http://www.geocities.com/nvance97/Barbershop.html ************************************************************ NOTICE: This email message is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure. It is intended for use only by the person(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be forwarded, in whole or in part, via any method, without my permission. This mail is copyrighted as of the above date and time of my transmission. Thank you. ************************************************************ This email is sent in compliance with strict anti-abuse and NO SPAM regulations. Your address was collected as a result of posting to a link, a classified ad to my FFA Page, you have sent me an E-mail recently, or you are on a list that I have purchased. You may remove your E-mail address at no cost to you whatsoever by simply click on Reply button with "Remove" in the subject line.

I decsend from George Vance, 1776 Somerset PA. married 1814 in Somerset PA. to Margaret Unknown also born in PA. George and Margaret both died in ?? Indiana (Randolph CO.??) Daughter, Elizabeth Vance born 1823 in ? Ohio married April 1842 in Randolph County Indiana to Thomas Winters Pence born 1817 in Preble County, Ohio, Thomas W. Pence died Mar.1898 in York County Nebraska, Elizabeth Vance Pence died Jan. 1892, in York CO. NE. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:49 AM Subject: Vance in Tennessee > Looking for information on parents of Sihon VANCE b. 10/26/1802 in Claiborne > Co., TN. Sihon died 12/9/1893 in Nemaha Co., NE. Have large file which I > will share if you have any info. > Cecil Vance > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

By chance, did he have a brother named John Vance? Thanks, Jann Davenport Oklahoma City, OK

Does anyone have a Jane Vance born about 1825, marrying Benjamin Perry around 1845 in Brown County, IL.? I'm looking for her parents. Margaret

Looking for information on parents of Sihon VANCE b. 10/26/1802 in Claiborne Co., TN. Sihon died 12/9/1893 in Nemaha Co., NE. Have large file which I will share if you have any info. Cecil Vance

Is anyone out there researching the Vance families of Montgomery and Labette Counties in Kansas? There were several families in the late 1800s who were probably related. They lived on both sides of the county line. I am especially interested in the families of Thomas Jefferson Vance, George W. Vance, Isaac K. Vance, and two James Vance...one who died in 1870 just east of Cherryvale. Let's exchange information! Carole in Portland, OR

Looking for siblings and parents of John Melvin Vance born June 18, 1868 in Pontiac Ill. Married Ella F. Graham born February 4, 1877 in MO.

Does anyone have information on Jane VANCE born abt 1825, married Benjamin Perry in IL 1845 later moving to MO. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 2:08 PM Subject: Mary Vance who married Adam Harper > Searching for information on Mary Vance, da. of John Vance and Nancy (?) who > married Adam Harper, son of Phillip Harper, in Pendleton County, WV, ca 1800. > > Bonnie Vance Miller > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Searching for information on Mary Vance, da. of John Vance and Nancy (?) who married Adam Harper, son of Phillip Harper, in Pendleton County, WV, ca 1800. Bonnie Vance Miller

Hi listers. I am looking for any information on the Vance family from Ohio, and probably lived in Knox County, Ohio. My 2x great grandmother was Martha Ellen Vance (some accounts have her as Mary Ellen). She married Philip Fawcett on August 11, 1844 in Knox County, Ohio. They moved to Logan County, Illinois, where she died in 1864. If you have any information about the Vance family from Ohio in the early to mid 1800's, please contact me. Thank you, Valerie Knecht Hoff of Bellevue, WA

Jackie Ferguson had put some queries on GenForum a couple of years ago about the Vances in SE Kansas and she is working on the same Vance family that I am...that of James and Barbara Vance who are buried in Labatte Co., KS. Jackie's email address changed when @Home "went away." Does anyone have a current address for her? She was also working on Lasswell, Ash, and Hall. Does anyone have Jackie's new address? Carole