Seeking something solid about Marya van Cleef's maternal line. Marya was born abt 1740, dau of Louwerens van Cleef. Every researcher marries Louwerens to a different woman, it appears. I favor Jannetje Laen, reputed daughter of Jacob Thyssen Laen and Lysbett van Barkelo, despite Spellman's 1953 article. But I am open to newer evidence and research... Would appreciate any thoughts, evidence with citations, radical opinions.. [email protected]